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Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:10:44
From: Raja
Subject: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
A whopping 676-45 win loss record.

What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?

I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
Especially at YECs?

1987 75-2
1988 72-3
1989 86-2
1990 72-5
1991 65-8
1992 71-7
1993 76-6
1994 58-6
1995 47-2
1996 54-4

1991 and 1994 seem to be worst years for her! And one of them didnt
have Seles!




 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 06:28:17
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Jan 3, 2:05=A0pm, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> On Dec 30 2008, 4:35=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Calimero wrote:
> > > On Dec 30, 3:08 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > >> Raja wrote:
> > >>> On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > >>>> Quincy wrote:
> > >>>>> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her =
matches.
> > >>>>>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
> > >>>>>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
> > >>>>>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She=
didnt
> > >>>>>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as w=
ell?
> > >>>>>>>> Especially at YECs?
> > >>>>>>>> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> > >>>>>>>> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> > >>>>>>>> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> > >>>>>>>> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> > >>>>>>>> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> > >>>>>>>> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> > >>>>>>>> 1993 =A0 =A076-6
> > >>>>>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn'=
t!
> > >>>>>> I am talking about her record.
> > >>>>> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should nev=
er
> > >>>>> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion wheth=
er
> > >>>>> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
> > >>>> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
> > >>>> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a pl=
ayer
> > >>>> just because she was better than Steffi.
> > >>>> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Sin=
ce
> > >>>> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> > >>>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerlan=
d"- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>> - Show quoted text -
> > >>> you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is =
the
> > >>> most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Ever=
t,
> > >>> Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.
> > >> Could be according to players, but that still didn't give right for
> > >> "Max" to stab her opponent with a knife.
>
> > > Well, I never expected Seles to be out for more than 2 years.
>
> > > Max
>
> > I knew it!
>
> Yes, but Max didn't want to kill her?! Only injure her to be out not
> more than 2 years. Time enough for Steffi to gather some FO and AO
> title she never would have won with Seles in.


Why would she never have won FO or AO titles with Seles in it?

Ah, because of a 2-6 6-3 8-10 thrashing she received at Roland Garros
in 1992 ...


Max


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 05:05:33
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Dec 30 2008, 4:35=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 3:08 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Raja wrote:
> >>> On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>> Quincy wrote:
> >>>>> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her ma=
tches.
> >>>>>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
> >>>>>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
> >>>>>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She d=
idnt
> >>>>>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as wel=
l?
> >>>>>>>> Especially at YECs?
> >>>>>>>> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> >>>>>>>> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> >>>>>>>> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> >>>>>>>> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> >>>>>>>> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> >>>>>>>> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> >>>>>>>> 1993 =A0 =A076-6
> >>>>>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
> >>>>>> I am talking about her record.
> >>>>> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
> >>>>> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
> >>>>> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
> >>>> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
> >>>> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a play=
er
> >>>> just because she was better than Steffi.
> >>>> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
> >>>> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> >>>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"=
- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is th=
e
> >>> most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Evert,
> >>> Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.
> >> Could be according to players, but that still didn't give right for
> >> "Max" to stab her opponent with a knife.
>
> > Well, I never expected Seles to be out for more than 2 years.
>
> > Max
>
> I knew it!

Yes, but Max didn't want to kill her?! Only injure her to be out not
more than 2 years. Time enough for Steffi to gather some FO and AO
title she never would have won with Seles in.



 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 10:05:56
From: amy
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Dec 28 2008, 7:10=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>
> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>
> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> Especially at YECs?
>
> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> 1993 =A0 =A076-6
> 1994 =A0 =A058-6
> 1995 =A0 =A047-2
> 1996 =A0 =A054-4
>
> 1991 and 1994 seem to be worst years for her! And one of them didnt
> have Seles!


"My new year resolution - No more lists or cross posting"
"and it starts now"


 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:16:07
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Dec 30, 3:08=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Raja wrote:
> > On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Quincy wrote:
> >>> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
> >>>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matc=
hes.
> >>>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
> >>>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
> >>>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She did=
nt
> >>>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> >>>>>> Especially at YECs?
> >>>>>> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> >>>>>> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> >>>>>> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> >>>>>> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> >>>>>> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> >>>>>> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> >>>>>> 1993 =A0 =A076-6
> >>>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
> >>>> I am talking about her record.
> >>> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
> >>> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
> >>> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
> >> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
>
> >> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a player
> >> just because she was better than Steffi.
>
> >> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
> >> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
>
> >> --
> >> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> >> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is the
> > most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Evert,
> > Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.
>
> Could be according to players, but that still didn't give right for
> "Max" to stab her opponent with a knife.


Well, I never expected Seles to be out for more than 2 years.


Max


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 17:35:08
From: TT
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
Calimero wrote:
> On Dec 30, 3:08 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Raja wrote:
>>> On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> Quincy wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
>>>>>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>>>>>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>>>>>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
>>>>>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
>>>>>>>> Especially at YECs?
>>>>>>>> 1987 75-2
>>>>>>>> 1988 72-3
>>>>>>>> 1989 86-2
>>>>>>>> 1990 72-5
>>>>>>>> 1991 65-8
>>>>>>>> 1992 71-7
>>>>>>>> 1993 76-6
>>>>>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
>>>>>> I am talking about her record.
>>>>> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
>>>>> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
>>>>> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
>>>> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
>>>> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a player
>>>> just because she was better than Steffi.
>>>> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
>>>> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
>>>> --
>>>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>>>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is the
>>> most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Evert,
>>> Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.
>> Could be according to players, but that still didn't give right for
>> "Max" to stab her opponent with a knife.
>
>
> Well, I never expected Seles to be out for more than 2 years.
>
>
> Max

I knew it!

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 29 Dec 2008 23:52:30
From: Raja
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Quincy wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matche=
s.
> >>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
> >>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
> >>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
> >>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> >>>> Especially at YECs?
> >>>> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> >>>> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> >>>> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> >>>> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> >>>> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> >>>> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> >>>> 1993 =A0 =A076-6
> >>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
> >> I am talking about her record.
>
> > Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
> > forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
> > Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
>
> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
>
> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a player
> just because she was better than Steffi.
>
> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is the
most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Evert,
Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 16:08:16
From: TT
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
Raja wrote:
> On 29 Dec, 20:48, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Quincy wrote:
>>> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
>>>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>>>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>>>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
>>>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
>>>>>> Especially at YECs?
>>>>>> 1987 75-2
>>>>>> 1988 72-3
>>>>>> 1989 86-2
>>>>>> 1990 72-5
>>>>>> 1991 65-8
>>>>>> 1992 71-7
>>>>>> 1993 76-6
>>>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
>>>> I am talking about her record.
>>> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
>>> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
>>> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.
>> lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.
>>
>> Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a player
>> just because she was better than Steffi.
>>
>> Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
>> normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.
>>
>> --
>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> you are truly delusional. Max might be extreme, but Steffi Graf is the
> most respected player of all time. Ask Billie Jean King, Chris Evert,
> Martina Navratilova, Pete Sampras, Ivan lendl, Bjorn Borg etc.

Could be according to players, but that still didn't give right for
"Max" to stab her opponent with a knife.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:37:42
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Dec 28, 5:02=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 2:10=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches=
.
> > > A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>
> > > What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>
> > > I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
> > > play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> > > Especially at YECs?
>
> > > 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> > > 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> > > 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> > > 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> > > 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> > > 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> > > 1993 =A0 =A076-6
>
> > Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
>
> I am talking about her record.
>

Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:48:04
From: TT
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
Quincy wrote:
> On Dec 28, 5:02 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2:10 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
>>>> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>>>> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>>>> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
>>>> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
>>>> Especially at YECs?
>>>> 1987 75-2
>>>> 1988 72-3
>>>> 1989 86-2
>>>> 1990 72-5
>>>> 1991 65-8
>>>> 1992 71-7
>>>> 1993 76-6
>>> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!
>> I am talking about her record.
>>
>
> Yes. Actually there is a "record" and a "record*". You should never
> forget about this. And we should finally start a discussion whether
> Graf was gifted slams by KNIFE action or not.

lol. I bet you drive Max nuts.

Then again he deserves it, he shouldn't have gone and stabbed a player
just because she was better than Steffi.

Or then again, maybe Max enjoys all the attention Steffi gets. Since
normally nobody is interested in what Steffi did some years ago.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:02:31
From: Raja
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On 28 Dec, 13:16, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> On Dec 28, 2:10=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
> > A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>
> > What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>
> > I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
> > play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> > Especially at YECs?
>
> > 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> > 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> > 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> > 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> > 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> > 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> > 1993 =A0 =A076-6
>
> Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!

I am talking about her record.
>
> > 1994 =A0 =A058-6
>
> Same here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:16:43
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: 10 best Steffi Graf Years (1987-96) and 10 worst Steffi losses
On Dec 28, 2:10=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Her win loss record for these 10 years. She won 93.75% of her matches.
> A whopping 676-45 win loss record.
>
> What do you think are the 10 worst of these 45 losses?
>
> I would say any slam she lost started 87 FO is a bad loss (She didnt
> play AO 87). But there were some other significant losses as well?
> Especially at YECs?
>
> 1987 =A0 =A075-2
> 1988 =A0 =A072-3
> 1989 =A0 =A086-2
> 1990 =A0 =A072-5
> 1991 =A0 =A065-8
> 1992 =A0 =A071-7
> 1993 =A0 =A076-6

Did you consider the KNIFE factor in that year? I bet you didn't!

> 1994 =A0 =A058-6

Same here.