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Date: 20 Feb 2009 07:43:23
From: Quincy
Subject: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.

For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
got all different weights:

Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today (2x)
Clown Era: The Rest (1x)


1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
2. Boris Becker : 87pts.
3. Ivan Lendl : 86pts.
4. Roger Federer: 73pts.
5. John McEnroe : 72pts.
6. Mats Wilander: 64pts.
7. Bj=F6rn Borg : 63pts.
8. Stefan Edberg: 63pts.
9. Jimmy Connors: 59pts.
10. Andre Agassi : 51pts.
11. Rafael Nadal : 36pts.

This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
(profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.





 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:49:58
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 8:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > got all different weights:
>
> > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
> analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96

I do not discuss women's tennis, because it is boring (except for the
Parche incident where a male and a KNIFE was part of the action).


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:47:31
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 10:40=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 20, 10:43 am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
> >> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> >> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> >> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> >> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> >> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> >> got all different weights:
>
> >> Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> >> Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> >> Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> >> 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> >> 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> >> 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> >> 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> >> 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> >> 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> >> 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> >> 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> >> 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> >> 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> >> 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> >> This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> >> the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> >> (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> >> Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> >> candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > It does not pass the initial smell test. =A0No need for further
> > analysis. =A0I hope you didn't spend too much time on this.
>
> Nothing wrong with names on the list & Sampras well on top - that
> resonates with reality. =A0But of course ridiculous to have Lendl/Becker
> anywhere near Federer let alone above him.

You yourself stated several times that Federer's slams only resulted
because of lacking competition. Now what?


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:30:08
From: Led-Yes-Pin-Bea-Rol
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 5:35=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 4:29=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2:02=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 2:51=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we ha=
ve clown
> > > > > > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > > > > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever=
,
> > > > > > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > > > > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras a=
nd they
> > > > > > > got all different weights:
>
> > > > > > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > > > > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =
=A0(2x)
> > > > > > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > > > > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > > > > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > > > > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > > > > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > > > > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > > > > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > > > > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > > > > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > > > > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > > > > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > > > > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > > > > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras stil=
l being
> > > > > > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Fe=
derer
> > > > > > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong.=
Boris
> > > > > > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious=
goat
> > > > > > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > > > > > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subj=
ective
> > > > > > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > > > > > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > > > > > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of w=
hat?
> > > > > You liked watching Graf
> > > > > beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > 1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals o=
f
> > > > all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I enjoyed some of those matches too. I just don't see how the level
> > > was as high or higher than what we
> > > have had in recent years wtih the Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport,
> > > Sharapova. I think all of these players were
> > > better than ASV. I see ASV as sort of a Jankovic with better mental
> > > toughness.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > More power is not equal to high quality.
>
> That sounds like a preference thing. Maybe you don't like the big babe
> tennis of today,

No I always preferred power tennis over flowery tennis. Lendl, Graf
and Sharapova are symbols of power tennis. But the current women's era
is error laden. Its not really high quality.

>but I think
> most people would say the depth of quality in the late 90s, early
> 2000s was better than in 93-96.
>
> Sistahs, Davenport and
>
> > Sharapova had much more power than ASV. But ASV played high quality
> > matches against Steffi. She was athletic and she was very consistent.
> > Jankovic is no comparision to ASV. Jankovic makes too many errors.
> > Also ASV was good moving forward and could hit amazing volleys she got
> > a chance.
>
> She was a highly skilled player, but so is Jankovic. They both have
> better backhands than forehands, relatively
> weak serves, excellent athletes and scramblers. There's most
> definitely a strong comparison there. I don't
> know how anyone could say there's *no comparison*. As I said, the
> difference is mental. ASV is like Nadal, just
> an animal on court who didn't care who she was playing -Graf, Seles,
> whoever, she'd make the other person beat her. Jankovic needs to drop
> all the smiling and get tougher if she's ever going to win a Slam.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:15:10
From: Led-Yes-Pin-Bea-Rol
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 5:35=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 4:29=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2:02=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 2:51=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we ha=
ve clown
> > > > > > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > > > > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever=
,
> > > > > > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > > > > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras a=
nd they
> > > > > > > got all different weights:
>
> > > > > > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > > > > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =
=A0(2x)
> > > > > > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > > > > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > > > > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > > > > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > > > > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > > > > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > > > > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > > > > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > > > > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > > > > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > > > > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > > > > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > > > > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras stil=
l being
> > > > > > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Fe=
derer
> > > > > > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong.=
Boris
> > > > > > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious=
goat
> > > > > > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > > > > > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subj=
ective
> > > > > > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > > > > > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > > > > > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of w=
hat?
> > > > > You liked watching Graf
> > > > > beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > 1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals o=
f
> > > > all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I enjoyed some of those matches too. I just don't see how the level
> > > was as high or higher than what we
> > > have had in recent years wtih the Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport,
> > > Sharapova. I think all of these players were
> > > better than ASV. I see ASV as sort of a Jankovic with better mental
> > > toughness.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > More power is not equal to high quality.
>
> That sounds like a preference thing. Maybe you don't like the big babe
> tennis of today, but I think
> most people would say the depth of quality in the late 90s, early
> 2000s was better than in 93-96.
>
> Sistahs, Davenport and
>
> > Sharapova had much more power than ASV. But ASV played high quality
> > matches against Steffi. She was athletic and she was very consistent.
> > Jankovic is no comparision to ASV. Jankovic makes too many errors.
> > Also ASV was good moving forward and could hit amazing volleys she got
> > a chance.
>
> She was a highly skilled player, but so is Jankovic. They both have
> better backhands than forehands, relatively
> weak serves, excellent athletes and scramblers.

ASV stepped up in key matches. Jankovic doesnt. Thats a huge
difference.

> There's most
> definitely a strong comparison there. I don't
> know how anyone could say there's *no comparison*. As I said, the
> difference is mental. ASV is like Nadal, just
> an animal on court who didn't care who she was playing -Graf, Seles,
> whoever, she'd make the other person beat her. Jankovic needs to drop
> all the smiling and get tougher if she's ever going to win a Slam.

I dont think she can do it. Not her personality.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 15:35:38
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 4:29=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:02=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2:51=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have=
clown
> > > > > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > > > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > > > > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > > > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and=
they
> > > > > > got all different weights:
>
> > > > > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > > > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =
=A0(2x)
> > > > > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > > > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > > > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > > > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > > > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > > > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > > > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > > > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > > > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > > > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > > > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > > > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > > > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still =
being
> > > > > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Fede=
rer
> > > > > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. B=
oris
> > > > > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious g=
oat
> > > > > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > > > > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjec=
tive
> > > > > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > > > > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > > > > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted tex=
t -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of wha=
t?
> > > > You liked watching Graf
> > > > beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > 1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals of
> > > all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I enjoyed some of those matches too. I just don't see how the level
> > was as high or higher than what we
> > have had in recent years wtih the Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport,
> > Sharapova. I think all of these players were
> > better than ASV. I see ASV as sort of a Jankovic with better mental
> > toughness.- Hide quoted text -
>
> More power is not equal to high quality.

That sounds like a preference thing. Maybe you don't like the big babe
tennis of today, but I think
most people would say the depth of quality in the late 90s, early
2000s was better than in 93-96.


Sistahs, Davenport and
> Sharapova had much more power than ASV. But ASV played high quality
> matches against Steffi. She was athletic and she was very consistent.
> Jankovic is no comparision to ASV. Jankovic makes too many errors.
> Also ASV was good moving forward and could hit amazing volleys she got
> a chance.

She was a highly skilled player, but so is Jankovic. They both have
better backhands than forehands, relatively
weak serves, excellent athletes and scramblers. There's most
definitely a strong comparison there. I don't
know how anyone could say there's *no comparison*. As I said, the
difference is mental. ASV is like Nadal, just
an animal on court who didn't care who she was playing -Graf, Seles,
whoever, she'd make the other person beat her. Jankovic needs to drop
all the smiling and get tougher if she's ever going to win a Slam.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 21:47:40
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for clown/normal/golden eras.
"Quincy" <abydr@email.de > wrote in message
news:860af21b-6da1-4e13-83d4-b0603456427b@v13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> got all different weights:
>
> Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today (2x)
> Clown Era: The Rest (1x)
>
>
> 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> 2. Boris Becker : 87pts.
> 3. Ivan Lendl : 86pts.
> 4. Roger Federer: 73pts.
> 5. John McEnroe : 72pts.
> 6. Mats Wilander: 64pts.
> 7. Björn Borg : 63pts.
> 8. Stefan Edberg: 63pts.
> 9. Jimmy Connors: 59pts.
> 10. Andre Agassi : 51pts.
> 11. Rafael Nadal : 36pts.
>
> This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.

Good post, though I'd put Agassi higher.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 13:29:36
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 2:02=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:51=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have c=
lown
> > > > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > > > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and t=
hey
> > > > > got all different weights:
>
> > > > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(=
2x)
> > > > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still be=
ing
> > > > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federe=
r
> > > > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Bor=
is
> > > > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goa=
t
> > > > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > > > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjecti=
ve
> > > > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > > > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > > > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of what?
> > > You liked watching Graf
> > > beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > 1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals of
> > all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I enjoyed some of those matches too. I just don't see how the level
> was as high or higher than what we
> have had in recent years wtih the Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport,
> Sharapova. I think all of these players were
> better than ASV. I see ASV as sort of a Jankovic with better mental
> toughness.- Hide quoted text -

More power is not equal to high quality. Sistahs, Davenport and
Sharapova had much more power than ASV. But ASV played high quality
matches against Steffi. She was athletic and she was very consistent.
Jankovic is no comparision to ASV. Jankovic makes too many errors.
Also ASV was good moving forward and could hit amazing volleys she got
a chance.

Rewatch the 1995 Wim final, most of the points ended at the net.

>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 12:02:50
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 2:51=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clo=
wn
> > > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and the=
y
> > > > got all different weights:
>
> > > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x=
)
> > > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still bein=
g
> > > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> > > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> > > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> > > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
> > > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of what?
> > You liked watching Graf
> > beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals of
> all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I enjoyed some of those matches too. I just don't see how the level
was as high or higher than what we
have had in recent years wtih the Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport,
Sharapova. I think all of these players were
better than ASV. I see ASV as sort of a Jankovic with better mental
toughness.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 11:52:31
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > > got all different weights:
>
> > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
> > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90

May be we can remove 90 and add 78 here.

> > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of what?
> You liked watching Graf
> beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 11:51:37
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 1:45=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > > got all different weights:
>
> > > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> > > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> > > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> > > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> > > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> > > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> > I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
> > analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> > The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> > The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of what?
> You liked watching Graf
> beat up on ASV?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

1995 Wimbledon and 1996 FO are in top 10 best slam women's finals of
all time. 1995 USO final should be top 20.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 11:45:54
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 2:21=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > got all different weights:
>
> > Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> > Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> > Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> > 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> > 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> > 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> > 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> > 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> > 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> > 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> > 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> > 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> > 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> > 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> > This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> > the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> > (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> > Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> > candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
> analysis. I do think this is true.
>
> The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
> The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You think 93-96 was a great time for women's tennis? Because of what?
You liked watching Graf
beat up on ASV?


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 11:21:42
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 9:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> got all different weights:
>
> Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.

I have to disagree here. The level of competition is quite subjective
analysis. I do think this is true.

The best 12 years for men's tennis =3D 1979-90
The best 12 years for women's tennis =3D 1985-96


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 09:01:00
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 4:06=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:56:41 +0100, Petter Solbu
>
> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Quincy wrote:
> >> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> >> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> >> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> >> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> >> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> >> got all different weights:
>
> >In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
> >fact that this post is the definite winner.
>
> >PS.
>
> I object ! We need different weights from year to year and tournament
> to tournament as the sport/rules/surfaces/equipment is changing all
> the time !
>
> The bottom line is what we see with our own eyes !
>
> My eyes tell me Federer is the best ever !
>
> My eyes also tell me he has a matchup issue with Nadal.
>
> So what ?
>
> Every player has those. Just that Fed is unlucky to have his with the
> next best player of his era.
>
> Had Sampras had the same issue with Kraijek et al he would have had
> only maybe 7 slams and not 14.
>
> To boil all this down to a moronic rigid formula to cover the past 40
> years is just that ... MORONIC !

You've started being kinder to Nadal the last few days, what gives?


  
Date: 20 Feb 2009 23:26:40
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for clown/normal/golden eras.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:01:00 -0800 (PST), Professor X
<suebokaian@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 20, 4:06 pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:56:41 +0100, Petter Solbu
>>
>> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Quincy wrote:
>> >> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
>> >> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
>> >> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
>> >> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>>
>> >> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
>> >> got all different weights:
>>
>> >In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
>> >fact that this post is the definite winner.
>>
>> >PS.
>>
>> I object ! We need different weights from year to year and tournament
>> to tournament as the sport/rules/surfaces/equipment is changing all
>> the time !
>>
>> The bottom line is what we see with our own eyes !
>>
>> My eyes tell me Federer is the best ever !
>>
>> My eyes also tell me he has a matchup issue with Nadal.
>>
>> So what ?
>>
>> Every player has those. Just that Fed is unlucky to have his with the
>> next best player of his era.
>>
>> Had Sampras had the same issue with Kraijek et al he would have had
>> only maybe 7 slams and not 14.
>>
>> To boil all this down to a moronic rigid formula to cover the past 40
>> years is just that ... MORONIC !
>
>You've started being kinder to Nadal the last few days, what gives?

i dunno. i never meant it to be personal with him. he's phenominal
really, just don't like his game, his snarls, his ass picking and his
shinanigans is all. other than that, he's a great kid.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 08:48:46
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 10:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> got all different weights:
>
> Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
> Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today =A0(2x)
> Clown =A0Era: The Rest (1x)
>
> 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
> 2. Boris Becker : =A087pts.
> 3. Ivan Lendl =A0 : =A086pts.
> 4. Roger Federer: =A073pts.
> 5. John McEnroe : =A072pts.
> 6. Mats Wilander: =A064pts.
> 7. Bj=F6rn Borg =A0 : =A063pts.
> 8. Stefan Edberg: =A063pts.
> 9. Jimmy Connors: =A059pts.
> 10. Andre Agassi : =A051pts.
> 11. Rafael Nadal : =A036pts.
>
> This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
> the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
> (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
> Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
> candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.

It does not pass the initial smell test. No need for further
analysis. I hope you didn't spend too much time on this.


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 08:40:00
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight
blanders0604@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:43 am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
>> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
>> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
>> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>>
>> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
>> got all different weights:
>>
>> Golden Era: Jun 85 - Jun 91 (3x)
>> Normal Era: Jun 81 - Jun 85, Jun 91 - Jun 96, Jun 08 - today (2x)
>> Clown Era: The Rest (1x)
>>
>> 1. Pete Sampras : 124pts.
>> 2. Boris Becker : 87pts.
>> 3. Ivan Lendl : 86pts.
>> 4. Roger Federer: 73pts.
>> 5. John McEnroe : 72pts.
>> 6. Mats Wilander: 64pts.
>> 7. Björn Borg : 63pts.
>> 8. Stefan Edberg: 63pts.
>> 9. Jimmy Connors: 59pts.
>> 10. Andre Agassi : 51pts.
>> 11. Rafael Nadal : 36pts.
>>
>> This is no suprise for real Tennis experts. Pete Sampras still being
>> the most successfull, but overrated Borg, Connors, Agassi, Federer
>> (profiting a lot from lacking competition) are not so strong. Boris
>> Becker, this is neither a mircale, is on rank 2 and a serious goat
>> candidate as he played mostly in the most difficult era.
>
> It does not pass the initial smell test. No need for further
> analysis. I hope you didn't spend too much time on this.


Nothing wrong with names on the list & Sampras well on top - that
resonates with reality. But of course ridiculous to have Lendl/Becker
anywhere near Federer let alone above him.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 08:34:18
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 10:56=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Quincy wrote:
> > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > got all different weights:
>
> In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
> fact that this post is the definite winner.

Quincy : Becker :: Raja : Lendl
Quincy : violent crimes :: Raja : rock lists

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 08:29:54
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 9:56=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Quincy wrote:
> > The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> > eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> > about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> > meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> > For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> > got all different weights:
>
> In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
> fact that this post is the definite winner.
>
> PS.

Is that a nomination?
Seconded...

Rodjk #613


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 08:28:50
From:
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for
On Feb 20, 10:43=A0am, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/browse_frm/thread/7b74557d2=
1edaa97/8c69a5131dd21b92?hl=3Den&lnk=3Dgst&q=3Dclown+era+Hops#8c69a5131dd21=
b92


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 16:56:41
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight
Quincy wrote:
> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>
> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
> got all different weights:

In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
fact that this post is the definite winner.

PS.


  
Date: 20 Feb 2009 16:06:16
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: 7543 applied by a tier 1 analyst considering different weight for clown/normal/golden eras.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:56:41 +0100, Petter Solbu
<pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Quincy wrote:
>> The 7543 might not be bad if you consider the fact that we have clown
>> eras and golden eras of tennis. There is no doubt
>> about the fact that the era from 85-91 was the strongest ever,
>> meanwhile post 1996 only clowns played on the tour.
>>
>> For the sake of objectivity we have to see 3 different eras and they
>> got all different weights:
>
>In the contest of ridiculous posts in here, there is no doubt about the
>fact that this post is the definite winner.
>
>PS.


I object ! We need different weights from year to year and tournament
to tournament as the sport/rules/surfaces/equipment is changing all
the time !

The bottom line is what we see with our own eyes !

My eyes tell me Federer is the best ever !

My eyes also tell me he has a matchup issue with Nadal.

So what ?

Every player has those. Just that Fed is unlucky to have his with the
next best player of his era.

Had Sampras had the same issue with Kraijek et al he would have had
only maybe 7 slams and not 14.

To boil all this down to a moronic rigid formula to cover the past 40
years is just that ... MORONIC !