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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:40:55
From: TT
Subject: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.

They should have given him the night match to recover.

Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
their site.

"The luck of the draw"
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html



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Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:41:09
From:
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
repulsive how much the ITF helps fed.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:04:13
From:
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 5:00=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Jason Catlin wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 4:12 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> Jason Catlin wrote:
> >>> On Jan 27, 8:13 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> >>>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> >>>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> >>>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >>>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >>>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >>>>>> circumstances on their site.
>
> >>>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose -
> >>>>> they want the best matches at the end of the event and they want
> >>>>> the big names facing off against each other. I'm sure they would
> >>>>> have wanted Djokovic to come through for an sf rematch against
> >>>>> Federer.
>
> >>>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >>>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the
> >>>>> on-court temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen
> >>>>> a courtside thermometer this year, but they used to show it on
> >>>>> Rebound Ace, and the difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> >>>> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
> >>>> underground cooling.
>
> >>>> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least
> >>>> partially block the sun and the heat.
>
> >>>> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
> >>>> science.
>
> >>> They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
> >>> grueling enough without having extreme heat
> >>> playing a factor in the final outcome.
>
> >>> I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then
> >>> Simon would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would
> >>> that prove?
>
> >> I don't think that even the players, in general, agree with you.
> >> Roddick said he felt pretty good and had no complaints. Zvonareva
> >> had no trouble and said she likes it "warm". Nadal also has said in
> >> the past that he likes playing in the sun. And from Federer this was
> >> a surprise to me, but there you go: "I was the lucky guy who played
> >> tonight, but I would have been ready to play in the heat as well. I
> >> like playing in the heat. I always said I think my strengths really
> >> come into play in the day. I was worried conditions were going to be
> >> slower tonight and maybe going to favor Del Potro."
>
> > Well, it could be that Djoke is just especially lacking in the fitness
> > department, but as a fan I don't want to
> > see an ironman contest. I want to see who the best tennis player is,
> > so whatever it takes to ensure the best guy wins I think should be
> > done. Obviously fitness is a huge part of the sport, but these guys
> > are being asked to be out there 4+ hours in some cases. That's enough
> > in the way of physical demands, imo.
>
> Tennis is an outdoor sport. The idea is to play under whatever conditions
> nature throws up, as long as the game is safe and playable under them. Th=
e AO
> is usually not an ironman contest. Typically there are a few hot days but=
more
> that are just warm. Some AOs have no very hot days. This AO is unsually h=
ot,
> so, in accordance with what outdoor sports are about, this year is more o=
f an
> endurance test in tough conditions than usual. Nothing wrong with that.
>
> Soon people will want play to stop because it's too windy (like Martina N=
. did
> in one match while being trounced by Steffi Graf). The players can't play=
their
> best tennis then either. Let's make all slams indoors then.

Weathermen continually stress how dangerous exercising in the heat is,
no matter what your fitness level. I believe the game is not safe
under extreme heat conditions. It's not safe - I repeat - it's not
safe.

Wind would only be a problem if there were trees nearby.





  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 05:20:53
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:

> Weathermen continually stress how dangerous exercising in the heat is,
> no matter what your fitness level. I believe the game is not safe
> under extreme heat conditions. It's not safe - I repeat - it's not
> safe.

If it was so dangerous, AO wouldn't allow it. They have a heat policy
that put boundaries on the temperature allowed on the courts before the
roof is on and the game on the other arenas (apart from RLA and HSA) are
delayed.

PS.


   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 04:28:49
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:20:53 +0100, Petter Solbu
<pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

>blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Weathermen continually stress how dangerous exercising in the heat is,
>> no matter what your fitness level. I believe the game is not safe
>> under extreme heat conditions. It's not safe - I repeat - it's not
>> safe.
>
>If it was so dangerous, AO wouldn't allow it. They have a heat policy
>that put boundaries on the temperature allowed on the courts before the
>roof is on and the game on the other arenas (apart from RLA and HSA) are
>delayed.
>
>PS.


i don't think they give a shit about "danger" at all. All they care
about is liability and what they can get away with.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 03:22:48
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:04:13 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com
wrote:

>On Jan 27, 5:00 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Jason Catlin wrote:
>> > On Jan 27, 4:12 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> >> Jason Catlin wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 27, 8:13 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>> >>>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> >>>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>> >>>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>> >>>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>> >>>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>> >>>>>> circumstances on their site.
>>
>> >>>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose -
>> >>>>> they want the best matches at the end of the event and they want
>> >>>>> the big names facing off against each other. I'm sure they would
>> >>>>> have wanted Djokovic to come through for an sf rematch against
>> >>>>> Federer.
>>
>> >>>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>> >>>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the
>> >>>>> on-court temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen
>> >>>>> a courtside thermometer this year, but they used to show it on
>> >>>>> Rebound Ace, and the difference was often as much as 20F.
>>
>> >>>> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
>> >>>> underground cooling.
>>
>> >>>> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least
>> >>>> partially block the sun and the heat.
>>
>> >>>> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
>> >>>> science.
>>
>> >>> They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
>> >>> grueling enough without having extreme heat
>> >>> playing a factor in the final outcome.
>>
>> >>> I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then
>> >>> Simon would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would
>> >>> that prove?
>>
>> >> I don't think that even the players, in general, agree with you.
>> >> Roddick said he felt pretty good and had no complaints. Zvonareva
>> >> had no trouble and said she likes it "warm". Nadal also has said in
>> >> the past that he likes playing in the sun. And from Federer this was
>> >> a surprise to me, but there you go: "I was the lucky guy who played
>> >> tonight, but I would have been ready to play in the heat as well. I
>> >> like playing in the heat. I always said I think my strengths really
>> >> come into play in the day. I was worried conditions were going to be
>> >> slower tonight and maybe going to favor Del Potro."
>>
>> > Well, it could be that Djoke is just especially lacking in the fitness
>> > department, but as a fan I don't want to
>> > see an ironman contest. I want to see who the best tennis player is,
>> > so whatever it takes to ensure the best guy wins I think should be
>> > done. Obviously fitness is a huge part of the sport, but these guys
>> > are being asked to be out there 4+ hours in some cases. That's enough
>> > in the way of physical demands, imo.
>>
>> Tennis is an outdoor sport. The idea is to play under whatever conditions
>> nature throws up, as long as the game is safe and playable under them. The AO
>> is usually not an ironman contest. Typically there are a few hot days but more
>> that are just warm. Some AOs have no very hot days. This AO is unsually hot,
>> so, in accordance with what outdoor sports are about, this year is more of an
>> endurance test in tough conditions than usual. Nothing wrong with that.
>>
>> Soon people will want play to stop because it's too windy (like Martina N. did
>> in one match while being trounced by Steffi Graf). The players can't play their
>> best tennis then either. Let's make all slams indoors then.
>
>Weathermen continually stress how dangerous exercising in the heat is,
>no matter what your fitness level. I believe the game is not safe
>under extreme heat conditions. It's not safe - I repeat - it's not
>safe.
>
>Wind would only be a problem if there were trees nearby.
>
>


I agree with you skates.

I love you too.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:29:33
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 4:12=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Jason Catlin wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 8:13 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> >>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> >>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> >>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> >>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >>>> circumstances on their site.
>
> >>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose -
> >>> they want the best matches at the end of the event and they want
> >>> the big names facing off against each other. I'm sure they would
> >>> have wanted Djokovic to come through for an sf rematch against
> >>> Federer.
>
> >>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the
> >>> on-court temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a
> >>> courtside thermometer this year, but they used to show it on
> >>> Rebound Ace, and the difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> >> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
> >> underground cooling.
>
> >> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least
> >> partially block the sun and the heat.
>
> >> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
> >> science.
>
> > They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
> > grueling enough without having extreme heat
> > playing a factor in the final outcome.
>
> > I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then Simon
> > would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would that
> > prove?
>
> I don't think that even the players, in general, agree with you. Roddick =
said
> he felt pretty good and had no complaints. Zvonareva had no trouble and s=
aid
> she likes it "warm". Nadal also has said in the past that he likes playin=
g in
> the sun. And from Federer this was a surprise to me, but there you go:
> "I was the lucky guy who played tonight, but I would have been ready to p=
lay in
> the heat as well. I like playing in the heat. I always said I think my
> strengths really come into play in the day. I was worried conditions were=
going
> to be slower tonight and maybe going to favor Del Potro."- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, it could be that Djoke is just especially lacking in the fitness
department, but as a fan I don't want to
see an ironman contest. I want to see who the best tennis player is,
so whatever it takes to ensure the best guy wins I think should be
done. Obviously fitness is a huge part of the sport, but these guys
are being asked to be out there 4+ hours in some cases. That's enough
in the way of physical demands, imo.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:00:34
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 27, 4:12 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Jason Catlin wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 8:13 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>>>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>>>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>>>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>>>>> circumstances on their site.
>>
>>>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose -
>>>>> they want the best matches at the end of the event and they want
>>>>> the big names facing off against each other. I'm sure they would
>>>>> have wanted Djokovic to come through for an sf rematch against
>>>>> Federer.
>>
>>>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>>>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the
>>>>> on-court temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen
>>>>> a courtside thermometer this year, but they used to show it on
>>>>> Rebound Ace, and the difference was often as much as 20F.
>>
>>>> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
>>>> underground cooling.
>>
>>>> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least
>>>> partially block the sun and the heat.
>>
>>>> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
>>>> science.
>>
>>> They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
>>> grueling enough without having extreme heat
>>> playing a factor in the final outcome.
>>
>>> I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then
>>> Simon would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would
>>> that prove?
>>
>> I don't think that even the players, in general, agree with you.
>> Roddick said he felt pretty good and had no complaints. Zvonareva
>> had no trouble and said she likes it "warm". Nadal also has said in
>> the past that he likes playing in the sun. And from Federer this was
>> a surprise to me, but there you go: "I was the lucky guy who played
>> tonight, but I would have been ready to play in the heat as well. I
>> like playing in the heat. I always said I think my strengths really
>> come into play in the day. I was worried conditions were going to be
>> slower tonight and maybe going to favor Del Potro."
>
> Well, it could be that Djoke is just especially lacking in the fitness
> department, but as a fan I don't want to
> see an ironman contest. I want to see who the best tennis player is,
> so whatever it takes to ensure the best guy wins I think should be
> done. Obviously fitness is a huge part of the sport, but these guys
> are being asked to be out there 4+ hours in some cases. That's enough
> in the way of physical demands, imo.

Tennis is an outdoor sport. The idea is to play under whatever conditions
nature throws up, as long as the game is safe and playable under them. The AO
is usually not an ironman contest. Typically there are a few hot days but more
that are just warm. Some AOs have no very hot days. This AO is unsually hot,
so, in accordance with what outdoor sports are about, this year is more of an
endurance test in tough conditions than usual. Nothing wrong with that.

Soon people will want play to stop because it's too windy (like Martina N. did
in one match while being trounced by Steffi Graf). The players can't play their
best tennis then either. Let's make all slams indoors then.





 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:57:34
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 8:13=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> >g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> >> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> >> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> >> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >> circumstances on their site.
>
> >I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they wa=
nt
> >the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
> >facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic =
to
> >come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>
> >Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
> >temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
> >thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
> >difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> >wg
>
> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
> underground cooling.
>
> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least partially
> block the sun and the heat.
>
> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
> science.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
grueling enough without having extreme heat
playing a factor in the final outcome.

I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then Simon
would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would that prove?


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:12:31
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 27, 8:13 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>>> circumstances on their site.
>>
>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose -
>>> they want the best matches at the end of the event and they want
>>> the big names facing off against each other. I'm sure they would
>>> have wanted Djokovic to come through for an sf rematch against
>>> Federer.
>>
>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the
>>> on-court temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a
>>> courtside thermometer this year, but they used to show it on
>>> Rebound Ace, and the difference was often as much as 20F.
>>
>> yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
>> underground cooling.
>>
>> they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least
>> partially block the sun and the heat.
>>
>> it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
>> science.
>
> They should just close the roof and leave it closed. Tennis is
> grueling enough without having extreme heat
> playing a factor in the final outcome.
>
> I mean they could play a Slam in Florida in the summer and then Simon
> would probably win because he's so fit, but then what would that
> prove?

I don't think that even the players, in general, agree with you. Roddick said
he felt pretty good and had no complaints. Zvonareva had no trouble and said
she likes it "warm". Nadal also has said in the past that he likes playing in
the sun. And from Federer this was a surprise to me, but there you go:
"I was the lucky guy who played tonight, but I would have been ready to play in
the heat as well. I like playing in the heat. I always said I think my
strengths really come into play in the day. I was worried conditions were going
to be slower tonight and maybe going to favor Del Potro."





 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:50:25
From: number_six
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 12:07=A0pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 12:32=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ahonkan wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 6:19 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > >> ahonkan wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> > >>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> > >>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
> > >>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
> > >>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
> > >>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> > >>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> > >>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> > >>>>> circumstances on their site.
> > >>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - t=
hey want
> > >>>> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big nam=
es
> > >>>> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djo=
kovic to
> > >>>> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
> > >>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> > >>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on=
-court
> > >>>> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtsi=
de
> > >>>> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, an=
d the
> > >>>> difference was often as much as 20F.
> > >>>> wg
> > >>> =A0 =A0You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which pro=
bably
> > >>> =A0 =A0stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's l=
oss to
> > >>> Fed.
> > >>> =A0 =A0He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fe=
d.
> > >>> =A0 =A0I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks an=
d even
> > >>> =A0 =A0global warming :-)
> > >> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or G=
aza.
> > >> But he is guilty of global warming though.
>
> > >> --
> > >> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> > >> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
> > > =A0 =A0 Mr Wise Guy,
> > > =A0 =A0 Will you similarly blame the AO organizers for Verdasco/ Tson=
ga's
> > > loss
> > > =A0 =A0 tomorrow because they gave your idol Rafa a night match?
>
> > Did Verdasco or Tsonga play until 2 am then?
>
> > --
> > "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> > singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
> =A0 =A0 Even if they did, would it simply highlight their inability to wi=
n
> quickly
> =A0 =A0 or would you call it a conspiracy by the AO organizers to give an
> =A0 =A0 unfair edge to Rafa?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Didn't Hewitt have to play until 4AM last year, or year before? Way
over the top.

If they early starting times -- say 9AM -- for the day session, this
wouldn't happen, but the players complain even if they have to play at
noon. Many of them are not morning people, I guess!


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:07:29
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 28, 12:32=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> ahonkan wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 6:19 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> ahonkan wrote:
> >>> On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> >>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
> >>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
> >>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
> >>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >>>>> circumstances on their site.
> >>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - the=
y want
> >>>> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
> >>>> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djoko=
vic to
> >>>> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
> >>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-c=
ourt
> >>>> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
> >>>> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and =
the
> >>>> difference was often as much as 20F.
> >>>> wg
> >>> =A0 =A0You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which proba=
bly
> >>> =A0 =A0stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's los=
s to
> >>> Fed.
> >>> =A0 =A0He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
> >>> =A0 =A0I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and =
even
> >>> =A0 =A0global warming :-)
> >> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaz=
a.
> >> But he is guilty of global warming though.
>
> >> --
> >> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> >> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
> > =A0 =A0 Mr Wise Guy,
> > =A0 =A0 Will you similarly blame the AO organizers for Verdasco/ Tsonga=
's
> > loss
> > =A0 =A0 tomorrow because they gave your idol Rafa a night match?
>
> Did Verdasco or Tsonga play until 2 am then?
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

Even if they did, would it simply highlight their inability to win
quickly
or would you call it a conspiracy by the AO organizers to give an
unfair edge to Rafa?


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 23:18:19
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
ahonkan wrote:
> On Jan 28, 12:32 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> ahonkan wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 6:19 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> ahonkan wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>>>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>>>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>>>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>>>>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>>>>>> circumstances on their site.
>>>>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they want
>>>>>> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
>>>>>> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic to
>>>>>> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>>>>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>>>>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
>>>>>> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
>>>>>> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
>>>>>> difference was often as much as 20F.
>>>>>> wg
>>>>> You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probably
>>>>> stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss to
>>>>> Fed.
>>>>> He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
>>>>> I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and even
>>>>> global warming :-)
>>>> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaza.
>>>> But he is guilty of global warming though.
>>>> --
>>>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>>>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>>> Mr Wise Guy,
>>> Will you similarly blame the AO organizers for Verdasco/ Tsonga's
>>> loss
>>> tomorrow because they gave your idol Rafa a night match?
>> Did Verdasco or Tsonga play until 2 am then?
>>
>> --
>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

>
> Even if they did, would it simply highlight their inability to win
> quickly
> or would you call it a conspiracy by the AO organizers to give an
> unfair edge to Rafa?

Your hypothesis is not at all comparable to what I said in this thread
and you seem to have misunderstood my original post.

You're so hasty at judging me for fedbashing that you have not had time
to apparently read or think what I actually wrote.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 05:48:35
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 6:19=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> ahonkan wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>
> >> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> >>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
> >>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
> >>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >>> circumstances on their site.
> >> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they =
want
> >> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
> >> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovi=
c to
> >> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>
> >> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-cou=
rt
> >> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
> >> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and th=
e
> >> difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> >> wg
>
> > =A0 =A0You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probabl=
y
> > =A0 =A0stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss =
to
> > Fed.
> > =A0 =A0He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
> > =A0 =A0I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and ev=
en
> > =A0 =A0global warming :-)
>
> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaza.
> But he is guilty of global warming though.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

Mr Wise Guy,
Will you similarly blame the AO organizers for Verdasco/ Tsonga's
loss
tomorrow because they gave your idol Rafa a night match?


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:32:27
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
ahonkan wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:19 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> ahonkan wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>>>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>>>> circumstances on their site.
>>>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they want
>>>> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
>>>> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic to
>>>> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>>>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>>>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
>>>> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
>>>> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
>>>> difference was often as much as 20F.
>>>> wg
>>> You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probably
>>> stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss to
>>> Fed.
>>> He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
>>> I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and even
>>> global warming :-)
>> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaza.
>> But he is guilty of global warming though.
>>
>> --
>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
> Mr Wise Guy,
> Will you similarly blame the AO organizers for Verdasco/ Tsonga's
> loss
> tomorrow because they gave your idol Rafa a night match?

Did Verdasco or Tsonga play until 2 am then?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 05:24:35
From:
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 7:19=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> ahonkan wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>
> >> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> >>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
> >>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
> >>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> >>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> >>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> >>> circumstances on their site.
> >> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they =
want
> >> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
> >> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovi=
c to
> >> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>
> >> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> >> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-cou=
rt
> >> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
> >> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and th=
e
> >> difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> >> wg
>
> > =A0 =A0You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probabl=
y
> > =A0 =A0stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss =
to
> > Fed.
> > =A0 =A0He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
> > =A0 =A0I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and ev=
en
> > =A0 =A0global warming :-)
>
> You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaza.
> But he is guilty of global warming though.

How does he do that? By farting?



 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 05:10:26
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 10:55=A0pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>
> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
> > Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> > They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> > Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> > were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> > They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> > circumstances on their site.
>
> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they wan=
t
> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic t=
o
> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>
> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
> difference was often as much as 20F.
>
> wg

You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probably
stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss to
Fed.
He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and even
global warming :-)


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:19:44
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
ahonkan wrote:
> On Jan 27, 10:55 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>
>> g...@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>> circumstances on their site.
>> I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they want
>> the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
>> facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic to
>> come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>>
>> Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>> organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
>> temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
>> thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
>> difference was often as much as 20F.
>>
>> wg
>
> You are making the mistake of being *logical*. TT (which probably
> stands for TennisTroll) is somehow trying to link Djoker's loss to
> Fed.
> He is up there with Grounded and Whisper in his hatred of Fed.
> I am sure he blames Fed for 9/11, the Gaza rocket attacks and even
> global warming :-)

You're an idiot...Of course Federer has nothing to do with 9/11 or Gaza.
But he is guilty of global warming though.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43
From:
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42085@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi >,
gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:

>
> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
> circumstances on their site.

I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they want
the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic to
come through for an sf rematch against Federer.

Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
difference was often as much as 20F.

wg


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:13:30
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:43 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article <%wBfl.124742$_03.42085@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>> They try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>> circumstances on their site.
>
>I really don't think the AO organizers wanted Djokovic to lose - they want
>the best matches at the end of the event and they want the big names
>facing off against each other. I'm sure they would have wanted Djokovic to
>come through for an sf rematch against Federer.
>
>Actually, while you're blaming things, you might as well blame the
>organizers for using the present court surface, which makes the on-court
>temperature *much* hotter than off-court. I haven't seen a courtside
>thermometer this year, but they used to show it on Rebound Ace, and the
>difference was often as much as 20F.
>
>wg


yes, they really need to do something about this even if it means
underground cooling.

they also need a net screen across the open roof to at least partially
block the sun and the heat.

it can be done. we put a man on the moon and this is not rocket
science.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:40:05
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
TT wrote:
> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
> nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
> their site.

slams are partially endurance tests - roddick had spent 7 hours on court
to 10 for jokovic. good on roddick for beating his earlier opponents
quicker and saving his body.

sure, it got hot, but it got hot for both guys and jok is in the prime
of his life. he can only blame himself for melting down.




--
"if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 03:30:18
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 4:11=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> ahonkan wrote:

> > =A0 =A0 But it's fun to see TT drag Fed in the mix for no reason
> > whatsoever.
> > =A0 =A0 Comical but expected.
>
> Absolutely not. It's very unfunny seeing you drag my non-Federer fandom
> to this. You should give a little thought that not everyone else have
> such twisted motives as you may have. My motive was to defend Djokovic
> and criticize power of money over what's best for the players and fans.
>
> Try to think very hard why I dragged Federer into this. Tried already?
> ...Organizers had to choose the night match between Djokovic and
> Federer. They chose money instead of fairness. Can't see how I'm going
> to present this point without mentioning Federer.
>
> You owe me an apology which I'm never going to get.
>
WTF? Ever heard of "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
kitchen"?
*You* make a stupid, unjustified connection between
weakling, quitter Djoker's predictable retirement (when behind)
and Fed's scheduling (someone else pointed out that they are
alternating everyone between night & day matches, but I suppose
that is *logical* and so beyond your comprehension) because of
your usual rabidly anti-Fed bias and want *me* to apologize?
At least you guessed it right, I won't apologize for your
stupidity.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:45:12
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
ahonkan wrote:
> On Jan 27, 4:11 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> ahonkan wrote:
>
>>> But it's fun to see TT drag Fed in the mix for no reason
>>> whatsoever.
>>> Comical but expected.
>> Absolutely not. It's very unfunny seeing you drag my non-Federer fandom
>> to this. You should give a little thought that not everyone else have
>> such twisted motives as you may have. My motive was to defend Djokovic
>> and criticize power of money over what's best for the players and fans.
>>
>> Try to think very hard why I dragged Federer into this. Tried already?
>> ...Organizers had to choose the night match between Djokovic and
>> Federer. They chose money instead of fairness. Can't see how I'm going
>> to present this point without mentioning Federer.
>>
>> You owe me an apology which I'm never going to get.
>>
> WTF? Ever heard of "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
> kitchen"?
> *You* make a stupid, unjustified connection between
> weakling, quitter Djoker's predictable retirement (when behind)
> and Fed's scheduling (someone else pointed out that they are
> alternating everyone between night & day matches, but I suppose
> that is *logical* and so beyond your comprehension) because of
> your usual rabidly anti-Fed bias and want *me* to apologize?
> At least you guessed it right, I won't apologize for your
> stupidity.

No problem. I knew it. Oh and you're an idiot, of course this has
everything to do with Federer's and Djokovic's schedule.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 03:23:08
From:
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
> Absolutely not. It's very unfunny seeing you drag my non-Federer fandom
> to this. You should give a little thought that not everyone else have
> such twisted motives as you may have. My motive was to defend Djokovic
> and criticize power of money over what's best for the players and fans.
>
> Try to think very hard why I dragged Federer into this. Tried already?
> ...Organizers had to choose the night match between Djokovic and
> Federer. They chose money instead of fairness. Can't see how I'm going
> to present this point without mentioning Federer.
>
> You owe me an apology which I'm never going to get.

Djokovic played the previous night match against Baghdatis because it
was presumably a bigger draw than Federer v Berdych. They chose money
there as well ...





 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:02:08
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
TT wrote:
> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
> nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
> their site.
>
> "The luck of the draw"
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html

I disagree. He had over 35 hours to recover. That should be sufficient
for a tennis athlete in a grand slam tournament. Federer and Del Potro
played their matches in the heat on Sunday. It would be way less fair to
give Djokovic two night matches in a row.

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:12:13
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
Petter Solbu wrote:
> TT wrote:
>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try
>> to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances
>> on their site.
>>
>> "The luck of the draw"
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html
>
>
> I disagree. He had over 35 hours to recover. That should be sufficient
> for a tennis athlete in a grand slam tournament. Federer and Del Potro
> played their matches in the heat on Sunday. It would be way less fair to
> give Djokovic two night matches in a row.
>
> PS.

Maybe he should've. But he didn't.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:38:53
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
TT wrote:

>> I disagree. He had over 35 hours to recover. That should be sufficient
>> for a tennis athlete in a grand slam tournament. Federer and Del Potro
>> played their matches in the heat on Sunday. It would be way less fair
>> to give Djokovic two night matches in a row.
>>
>> PS.
>
> Maybe he should've. But he didn't.

The subject in your original post is "AO organizers should be blamed for
Djokovic loss". That is not correct. The only one to be blamed is
Djokovic himself.

PS.


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:12:53
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
TT wrote:
> Petter Solbu wrote:
>> TT wrote:
>>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>>
>>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>>
>>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they
>>> were probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They
>>> try to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of
>>> circumstances on their site.
>>>
>>> "The luck of the draw"
>>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. He had over 35 hours to recover. That should be sufficient
>> for a tennis athlete in a grand slam tournament. Federer and Del Potro
>> played their matches in the heat on Sunday. It would be way less fair
>> to give Djokovic two night matches in a row.
>>
>> PS.
>
> Maybe he should've. But he didn't.
>

...recover I mean

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:06:04
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:08 +0100, Petter Solbu
<pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

>TT wrote:
>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
>> nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
>> their site.
>>
>> "The luck of the draw"
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html
>
>I disagree. He had over 35 hours to recover. That should be sufficient
>for a tennis athlete in a grand slam tournament. Federer and Del Potro
>played their matches in the heat on Sunday. It would be way less fair to
>give Djokovic two night matches in a row.
>
>PS.


TT doesn't care what's fair. He just wants his guy to get all the
advantages because God knows he needs them !


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:52:11
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
TT wrote:
> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
> They should have given him the night match to recover.

He had nearly two days. There have no doubt been many similar instances at past
AOs and USOs.

> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.

Of course.

> They try
> to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances
> on their site.

You just don't like it that Federer has benefited from the scheduling.





  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:02:29
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
DavidW wrote:
> TT wrote:
>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
> He had nearly two days. There have no doubt been many similar instances at past
> AOs and USOs.
>

That's true. Still that doesn't make scheduling any less unfair.

>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>
> Of course.

Money over fair scheduling. It may be ok for you but not ok for me as a
spectator. I would have wanted to see Djokefed match.


>
>> They try
>> to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances
>> on their site.
>
> You just don't like it that Federer has benefited from the scheduling.
>
>

Nah...he always does, I'm used to it.



--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:01:18
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:52:11 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>TT wrote:
>> Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>> They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
>He had nearly two days. There have no doubt been many similar instances at past
>AOs and USOs.
>
>> Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>> probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings.
>
>Of course.
>
>> They try
>> to nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances
>> on their site.
>
>You just don't like it that Federer has benefited from the scheduling.
>
>


I like it !!!


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 02:51:24
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Jan 27, 3:48=A0pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Fed-Safin was at night when Djok was playing in day. =A0Then they
> switched spots: Djok play Bags at night and Fed-Bird was in day. =A0Then
> they switched spots again.

But it's fun to see TT drag Fed in the mix for no reason
whatsoever.
Comical but expected.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:11:04
From: TT
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
ahonkan wrote:
> On Jan 27, 3:48 pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fed-Safin was at night when Djok was playing in day. Then they
>> switched spots: Djok play Bags at night and Fed-Bird was in day. Then
>> they switched spots again.
>
> But it's fun to see TT drag Fed in the mix for no reason
> whatsoever.
> Comical but expected.

Absolutely not. It's very unfunny seeing you drag my non-Federer fandom
to this. You should give a little thought that not everyone else have
such twisted motives as you may have. My motive was to defend Djokovic
and criticize power of money over what's best for the players and fans.

Try to think very hard why I dragged Federer into this. Tried already?
...Organizers had to choose the night match between Djokovic and
Federer. They chose money instead of fairness. Can't see how I'm going
to present this point without mentioning Federer.

You owe me an apology which I'm never going to get.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:50:21
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:40:55 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>
>They should have given him the night match to recover.
>
>Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
>nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
>their site.
>
>"The luck of the draw"
>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html


the real blame is sacrificing the players health and welfare for
school holidays.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:34:36
From: viper
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss

"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote in message
news:5mptn4t10jce862m7ot6val468l32bcl2i@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:40:55 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>>Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>>They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>>Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>>probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
>>nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
>>their site.
>>
>>"The luck of the draw"
>>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html
>
>
> the real blame is sacrificing the players health and welfare for
> school holidays.


The kids are back at school, but most will be playing school sport on
Saturday. Some
will spend up to 5 or 6 hours competing in the sun. Most will be pissing
themeselves
laughing about the number of soft cocks that Tennis produces. All that
hydration and
sunscreen, the pooor little darlings, their bodies are 'just not feel right'
LOL

Viper




  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:25:53
From: Edward McArdle
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
In article <5mptn4t10jce862m7ot6val468l32bcl2i@4ax.com >, Dave Hazelwood
<the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:40:55 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>>Yes Djoker is a quitter but what AO did was wrong.
>>
>>They should have given him the night match to recover.
>>
>>Was AO favouring Federer over defending champion? Maybe not, they were
>>probably favouring money that Federer's night match brings. They try to
>>nicely cover this up by making Djokovic a victim of circumstances on
>>their site.
>>
>>"The luck of the draw"
>>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-27/200901271233049323078.html

>
>
>the real blame is sacrificing the players health and welfare for
>school holidays.

I don't know exactly where you would move it. February is pretty much like
this all the month. It's our *hot* month. March might be all right, but is
that cutting into the international timetable? March could be pretty hot,
too.

--
Edward McArdle


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 02:48:46
From: Lax
Subject: Re: AO organizers should be blamed for Djokovic loss
Fed-Safin was at night when Djok was playing in day. Then they
switched spots: Djok play Bags at night and Fed-Bird was in day. Then
they switched spots again.