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Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:31:46
From: wkhedr
Subject: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)




 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:59:30
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On 3 Feb, 19:06, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 1:52=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 3 Feb, 18:44, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance t=
o
> > > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he manage=
d
> > > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > > I would say 0.1%. Absolutely impossible. Rafa will need to be severel=
y
> > > hurt to lose to Roger on Clay.
>
> > 60 % =A0with the moonball
>
> > keep em out there till he falls asleep and the crowd start booing ,
> > thats sign of great moonballer
>
> yes, but why can't Nadal out-moonaball Federer?

He doesnt have too

Usually Moonballing is desperation tatic and not that enjoyable to
do..

but i tell you if it worked ( and theres no way nadal is knocking
winner of a deep mooball from the baseline every time )
Fed would soon learn to love it.

I mean McEnroe pretty much used of lot of dinks and hacker-like
strokes to disrupt move folk out of position etc..

I suppose some players - a bit like how Agassis early game went in
line with his image - cant see beyond their own ideals of
themselves..

Thats why I believe one fo the first issues is destroying that image
he has and others now have of him..

If it makes him bad guy or shows an ugly side so what - you knwo what
they say about nice guys ...

He needs to see shaman really - i kid you not - the soul loss thing is
very real and is bit like disassociation to some degrees , it would
explain a lot why he cant turn it on like he used as well.

None of this is likely to happen so instead he'll just make the odd
sdjustment and hope nadal loses so he claim a cheap victroy , but I
tell you , even thats going to run dry soon .


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:12:54
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 5:20=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> ++ Fed winning the FO would be an OUTRAGEOUS win for "The Federer"...
> I don't see him playing loosely enough to do it though... he never
> serves well against Nadal in their finals in Paris...
>
> STILL it would have the heads of the experts spinning... he'd likely
> have to get past combination of Monfils/Simon/Verdasco to get to a
> final and then Nadal, odds are... talk about a tough task...
>
> P

He is better than these players. The only problem I see with Federer
is that he tries not to spend too much energy to do well in the final.
This impacts the way he plays and makes him sometimes not patient
enough going for quick winners. This sometimes leads to the opposite,
since he makes errors losing games and sets, forcing him to play more.
This is what happened last year against Monfils. But last year his
movement and energy was awful.



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:21:01
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 6:16=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, I was almost rooting for Monfils last year since Federer's play
> was never going to cut much ice in the final.
>
> The only value I could see in getting to the final was the extra
> ranking points.

Exactly - that performance against Monfils was right out of the bottom
drawer. And then when Fed said that he thought he played well, I was
sure he was going to be humiliated. Even said so here in RST...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/browse_thread/thread/1569b2=
70c699bb3c?hl=3Den&ie=3DUTF-8&q=3DWhom+is+Roger+kidding#56d7235ec24c4198


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:11:17
From:
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 10:20=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> ++ Fed winning the FO would be an OUTRAGEOUS win for "The Federer"...
> I don't see him playing loosely enough to do it though... he never
> serves well against Nadal in their finals in Paris...
>
> STILL it would have the heads of the experts spinning... he'd likely
> have to get past combination of Monfils/Simon/Verdasco to get to a
> final and then Nadal, odds are... talk about a tough task...
>
> P

Would be ironic if Federer won the FO and Nadal won the other three -
Nadal's CYGS denied by losing the French ...



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:07:38
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 5:12=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 5:20=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 9:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > ++ Fed winning the FO would be an OUTRAGEOUS win for "The Federer"...
> > I don't see him playing loosely enough to do it though... he never
> > serves well against Nadal in their finals in Paris...
>
> > STILL it would have the heads of the experts spinning... he'd likely
> > have to get past combination of Monfils/Simon/Verdasco to get to a
> > final and then Nadal, odds are... talk about a tough task...
>
> > P
>
> He is better than these players. The only problem I see with Federer
> is that he tries not to spend too much energy to do well in the final.
> This impacts the way he plays and makes him sometimes not patient
> enough going for quick winners. This sometimes leads to the opposite,
> since he makes errors losing games and sets, forcing him to play more.
> This is what happened last year against Monfils. But last year his
> movement and energy was awful.

Monfils match was horrible - but he looked awesome against Ancic in
the 3rd round...


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:47:55
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 6:41=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:21=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 6:16=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, I was almost rooting for Monfils last year since Federer's play
> > > was never going to cut much ice in the final.
>
> > > The only value I could see in getting to the final was the extra
> > > ranking points.
>
> > Exactly - that performance against Monfils was right out of the bottom
> > drawer. And then when Fed said that he thought he played well, I was
> > sure he was going to be humiliated. Even said so here in RST...http://g=
roups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/browse_thread/thread/...
>
> Of course you also predicted that Fed would lose in straights in the
> 07 USO final, 08 Wimby final
> and 09 AO final, so your success rate on total smackdowns of your
> favorite player is 25%.

True - I don't have much confidence in Federer since 2007 - all those
matches have been coming when I figured he is playing at a lot lower
standard than before. And he has been real lucky in some of those -
like the 07 US Open was all Djoker choking, 08 Wimby he could easily
have gone down a break in the 3rd (how many times does Nadal NOT break
when he is up 0-40?).


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:41:54
From:
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 7:21=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 6:16=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I was almost rooting for Monfils last year since Federer's play
> > was never going to cut much ice in the final.
>
> > The only value I could see in getting to the final was the extra
> > ranking points.
>
> Exactly - that performance against Monfils was right out of the bottom
> drawer. And then when Fed said that he thought he played well, I was
> sure he was going to be humiliated. Even said so here in RST...http://gro=
ups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/browse_thread/thread/...

Of course you also predicted that Fed would lose in straights in the
07 USO final, 08 Wimby final
and 09 AO final, so your success rate on total smackdowns of your
favorite player is 25%.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:16:07
From:
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 4, 12:09=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 11:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> 10%? What are you smoking? I think Fed should tank the semi should he
> get there if Nadal is still in the draw. I don't think I can stomach
> another smackdown...

Yeah, I was almost rooting for Monfils last year since Federer's play
was never going to cut much ice in the final.

The only value I could see in getting to the final was the extra
ranking points.



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 16:09:50
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 11:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)

10%? What are you smoking? I think Fed should tank the semi should he
get there if Nadal is still in the draw. I don't think I can stomach
another smackdown...


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:12:25
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO

On 3-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Feb 3, 11:31 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> 10%? What are you smoking? I think Fed should tank the semi should he
> get there if Nadal is still in the draw. I don't think I can stomach
> another smackdown...

If he had done that the last few years at all clay tournaments where they
met we wouldn't be talking about the lopsided H2H so much.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:51:46
From: Giovanna
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO

> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)

I think he cand do it....... I hope~~


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:52:48
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:51:46 -0800 (PST), Giovanna
<giovanapel@bol.com.br > wrote:

>
>> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
>> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
>> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
>> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
>I think he cand do it....... I hope~~


excellent chance a monfils or some other maniac type will take out
Rafa cause sometimes "shit happens" and in this case is overdue. Then,
Roger get the trophy.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:20:35
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 9:31=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)

++ Fed winning the FO would be an OUTRAGEOUS win for "The Federer"...
I don't see him playing loosely enough to do it though... he never
serves well against Nadal in their finals in Paris...

STILL it would have the heads of the experts spinning... he'd likely
have to get past combination of Monfils/Simon/Verdasco to get to a
final and then Nadal, odds are... talk about a tough task...

P


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:27:01
From: robin
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On 3 Feb, 19:06, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 1:52=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 3 Feb, 18:44, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance t=
o
> > > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he manage=
d
> > > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > > I would say 0.1%. Absolutely impossible. Rafa will need to be severel=
y
> > > hurt to lose to Roger on Clay.
>
> > 60 % =A0with the moonball
>
> > keep em out there till he falls asleep and the crowd start booing ,
> > thats sign of great moonballer
>
> yes, but why can't Nadal out-moonaball Federer?

The world number one isn't allowed to win by moonballing - it's in the
ATP code of conduct somewhere.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:06:23
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 1:52=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 3 Feb, 18:44, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > I would say 0.1%. Absolutely impossible. Rafa will need to be severely
> > hurt to lose to Roger on Clay.
>
> 60 % =A0with the moonball
>
> keep em out there till he falls asleep and the crowd start booing ,
> thats sign of great moonballer

yes, but why can't Nadal out-moonaball Federer?


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 10:52:40
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On 3 Feb, 18:44, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> I would say 0.1%. Absolutely impossible. Rafa will need to be severely
> hurt to lose to Roger on Clay.

60 % with the moonball

keep em out there till he falls asleep and the crowd start booing ,
thats sign of great moonballer


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 10:44:46
From: undecided
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)

I would say 0.1%. Absolutely impossible. Rafa will need to be severely
hurt to lose to Roger on Clay.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 17:57:26
From: Hg
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:31:46 -0800, wkhedr wrote:

> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final. I'd say
> it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed to do it
> but I won't bet a dime on it :)

I'm just enjoying the Tennis as it comes, I think I've reached the stage
where I don't care about predictions and speculation - and I've never cared
about the betting odds of matches because I don't gamble.

When you spend too much time worrying about all this serious stuff it takes
away the enjoyment of the game. I realised this a while back and now I'm far
less stressed out when I watch matches.


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'( \ / )'


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:51:22
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 12:48=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 5:45=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 12:36=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 5:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance t=
o
> > > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he manage=
d
> > > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > > lol @ fedfukhedr
>
> > I'm glad it made profshit laugh :)
>
> yes simpletons like me laugh at anything.

it seems you feel good now.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:48:00
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 5:45=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 12:36=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 5:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> > lol @ fedfukhedr
>
> I'm glad it made profshit laugh :)

yes simpletons like me laugh at anything.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:45:55
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 12:36=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 5:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> > beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> > I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> > to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)
>
> lol @ fedfukhedr

I'm glad it made profshit laugh :)


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:36:36
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: And now no one expects Federer to win the FO
On Feb 3, 5:31=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> All the logic in the world says, Federer has less than 10% chance to
> beat Rafa on clay specially after the score of last year final.
> I'd say it would be the best thing happened to Federer if he managed
> to do it but I won't bet a dime on it :)

lol @ fedfukhedr