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Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got the
kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can maintain a place
in the top 5.





 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 05:36:10
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 11:52=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com > wrote:
> Richard Eich <richard.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> > g...@Olympics.org wrote...
> >> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he g=
ot
> >> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> >> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> >> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>
> >> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is suc=
h
> >> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hi=
ts
> >> too flat imo.
>
> >> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> >> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail=
.
> >> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> >> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> >> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes =
to
> >> portray when pounding his chest.
>
> >> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
> >> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark=
II.
>
> > I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
> > into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
> > and it's a lot easier to make. =A0Action-movies, maybe? =A0I dunno, but
> > the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
> > feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
> > tennis.
>
> > Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>
> Safin lite?

You mean his best days are behind him
because he rather looks forward to the nights? :-)


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:47:10
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 7, 12:41=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't be, right?
>
> It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs like
> Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.

Stinkydenko beat Murray and Simone beat Federer, didn't they?



  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:56:24
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 7, 5:35=A0pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <a8c8127e-9d21-4a4e-a80d-d855311dc...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> gregor...@hotmail.com () wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7, 12:41=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > > > Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't
> > > be, right?
>
> > > It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs
> > > like
> > > Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.
>
> > Stinkydenko beat Murray and Simone beat Federer, didn't they?
>
> No. Murray beat FEderer and Simon beat Murray. Djokovic beat Davydenko an=
d
> then Simon in the final.
>
> wg

Simon beat Federer in the first RR match
Djokovic beat Simon in the SF
Davydenko beat Murray in the other SF
Djokovic beat Davydenko in the final

Have you been drinking a lot during your vacation? :-)



   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:13:24
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:56:24 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 7, 5:35 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article
>> <a8c8127e-9d21-4a4e-a80d-d855311dc...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> gregor...@hotmail.com () wrote:
>>
>> > On Jan 7, 12:41 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
>> > > > Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't
>> > > be, right?
>>
>> > > It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs
>> > > like
>> > > Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.
>>
>> > Stinkydenko beat Murray and Simone beat Federer, didn't they?
>>
>> No. Murray beat FEderer and Simon beat Murray. Djokovic beat Davydenko and
>> then Simon in the final.
>>
>> wg
>
>Simon beat Federer in the first RR match
>Djokovic beat Simon in the SF
>Davydenko beat Murray in the other SF
>Djokovic beat Davydenko in the final
>
>Have you been drinking a lot during your vacation? :-)


new bf perhaps ? <grin >


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:51:14
From: yolanda
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 7, 12:35=A0pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <a8c8127e-9d21-4a4e-a80d-d855311dc...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> gregor...@hotmail.com () wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7, 12:41=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > > > Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't
> > > be, right?
>
> > > It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs
> > > like
> > > Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.
>
> > Stinkydenko beat Murray and Simone beat Federer, didn't they?
>
> No. Murray beat FEderer and Simon beat Murray. Djokovic beat Davydenko an=
d
> then Simon in the final.
>
> wg

Hmmm, I don't think that's right. Murray won all his RR matches and
lost to Davydenko in the semis IIRC. Djokovic beat Simon in the semis
and Davydenko in the final.


   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 11:03:57
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
In article
<c9c9a0d8-a254-4d60-8c00-87721eba68c3@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com >,
ybarron@yahoo.com (yolanda) wrote:

> Hmmm, I don't think that's right. Murray won all his RR matches and
> lost to Davydenko in the semis IIRC. Djokovic beat Simon in the
> semis
> and Davydenko in the final.

Yep, you were right and I was completely utterly wrong.

I must not try to trust my memory on these things, ever. Sorry.

wg


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:35:36
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
In article
<a8c8127e-9d21-4a4e-a80d-d855311dc009@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com >,
gregorawe@hotmail.com () wrote:

>
> On Jan 7, 12:41 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > > Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't
> > be, right?
> >
> > It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs
> > like
> > Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.
>
> Stinkydenko beat Murray and Simone beat Federer, didn't they?
>

No. Murray beat FEderer and Simon beat Murray. Djokovic beat Davydenko and
then Simon in the final.

wg


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:43:51
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 3:24=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>
> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got t=
he
> >kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
> >Gaudio at FO).
>
> You mean Fed's mono?

The homo had mono? When?


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:47:44
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Arancione@selin.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:24 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>>
>> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got the
>>> kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
>>> Gaudio at FO).
>> You mean Fed's mono?
>
> The homo had mono? When?


I've been looking for links but still can't find one.



   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:19:31
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:47:44 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Arancione@selin.com wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 3:24 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>>>
>>> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got the
>>>> kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
>>>> Gaudio at FO).
>>> You mean Fed's mono?
>>
>> The homo had mono? When?
>
>
>I've been looking for links but still can't find one.


it's right there with 7543 !

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:41:11
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?

>
> Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't be, right?


It was a lucky win. Nole didnt play Rafa, Fed or Murray but mugs like
Stinkydenko, Del Poopoo and Simone.



 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:39:53
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?

>
> Safin lite?

Yeah so lite and low calorie that he will only win half the number of
slams that Safin won.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:38:27
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?

> this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.





This was the 4th time Nole had a chance for the number 2: Hamburg
2008, FO 2008, TMC 2008 and Brisbane 2009.


> yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to



Nole does not have the heart of Rafa and Murray. Rafa and Murray also
are bad matchups for Fed. Nole is not a bad matchup for Fed nor does
he have any heart at all. He gives up so easily.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:34:10
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 11:55=A0am, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got th=
e
> kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
> Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can maintain a pl=
ace
> in the top 5.

He wont win anymore slams. He is a one slam wonder.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:21:27
From: Pedro Dias
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 3:25=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>
>
>
> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 12:39=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he g=
ot
> >> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> >> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> >> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>
> >> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is suc=
h
> >> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hi=
ts
> >> too flat imo.
>
> >> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> >> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail=
.
> >> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> >> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> >> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes =
to
> >> portray when pounding his chest.
>
> >Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
> >Even though he has
> >this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
> >doesn't believe in himself
> >to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
> >Slam, imo. That shows
> >in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
> >racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.
>
> I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
> is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is a
> chance nobody will remember it.

Not anymore, Sunshine.

I never thought Djokovic would dominate the game, like some hotheads
would have it at the beginning of '08, but I also think he'll remain
in the top five for a while. And I never thought he seemed confident.
More like occasional arrogance.


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:41:52
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Pedro Dias wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:25 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>>
>>
>>
>> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>>>>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>>>>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>>>>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>>>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>>>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>>>> too flat imo.
>>>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>>>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>>>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>>>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>>>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>>>> portray when pounding his chest.
>>> Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
>>> Even though he has
>>> this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
>>> doesn't believe in himself
>>> to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
>>> Slam, imo. That shows
>>> in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
>>> racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.
>> I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
>> is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is a
>> chance nobody will remember it.
>
> Not anymore, Sunshine.
>
> I never thought Djokovic would dominate the game, like some hotheads
> would have it at the beginning of '08,


I always said he'd be lucky to win 2 or 3 slams & Murray would have
twice as good a career.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:58:00
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 10:47 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Richard Eich wrote:
> > g...@Olympics.org wrote...
> >> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
> >>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> >>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> >>> maintain a place in the top 5.
> >> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
> >> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
> >> too flat imo.
>
> >> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> >> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
> >> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> >> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> >> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
> >> portray when pounding his chest.
>
> >> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
> >> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>
> > I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
> > into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
> > and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
> > the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
> > feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
> > tennis.
>
> > Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>
> Gay action movies probably...
>

Broke Back Mountain - the story of the gay tennis player who came back
from being two games to love down. ;-)


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 00:23:29
From: TT
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:47 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Richard Eich wrote:
>>> g...@Olympics.org wrote...
>>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>>>>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>>>>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>>>>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>>>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>>>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>>>> too flat imo.
>>>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>>>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>>>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>>>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>>>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>>>> portray when pounding his chest.
>>>> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
>>>> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>>> I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
>>> into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
>>> and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
>>> the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
>>> feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
>>> tennis.
>>> Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>> Gay action movies probably...
>>
>
> Broke Back Mountain - the story of the gay tennis player who came back
> from being two games to love down. ;-)

Good one.

I have Bareback Mountain on video, planning to watch it soon to find out
if they really eat pudding through whole film. Might start now as well.
Wish me luck.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:59:25
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:58:00 -0800 (PST), "andrew.reys@gmail.com"
<andrew.reys@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 6, 10:47 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Richard Eich wrote:
>> > g...@Olympics.org wrote...
>> >> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> >>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>> >>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>> >>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>> >>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>> >> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>> >> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>> >> too flat imo.
>>
>> >> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>> >> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>> >> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>> >> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>> >> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>> >> portray when pounding his chest.
>>
>> >> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
>> >> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>>
>> > I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
>> > into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
>> > and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
>> > the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
>> > feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
>> > tennis.
>>
>> > Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>>
>> Gay action movies probably...
>>
>
>Broke Back Mountain - the story of the gay tennis player who came back
>from being two games to love down. ;-)

:-)


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:37:38
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 3:25=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>
>
>
>
>
> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 12:39=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he g=
ot
> >> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> >> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> >> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>
> >> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is suc=
h
> >> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hi=
ts
> >> too flat imo.
>
> >> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> >> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail=
.
> >> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> >> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> >> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes =
to
> >> portray when pounding his chest.
>
> >Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
> >Even though he has
> >this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
> >doesn't believe in himself
> >to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
> >Slam, imo. That shows
> >in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
> >racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.
>
> I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
> is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is a
> chance nobody will remember it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wouldn't write him off, but I also don't see him winning that many
Slams if that means beating Nadal,
Fed, Murray, Tsonga and who knows who else to do it. He's probably
going to have to be opportunistic
like he was at the YEC, beating Simon and Denko in the last two rounds.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 12:37:15
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 3:24=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>
> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got t=
he
> >kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
> >Gaudio at FO).
>
> You mean Fed's mono?

And Tsonga going buck wild on everyone before final and then playing
below that level against Djokovic.
Call me stupid, but I felt Djokovic was using his ball bouncing
tactics very well at the AO last year, especially in the final against
Tsonga. Drove Tsonga wild.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 22:24:01
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:55:41 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
<groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

>I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got the
>kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
>Gaudio at FO).

You mean Fed's mono?


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:23:29
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 12:18=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 6, 4:55=A0pm, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got =
the
> > kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
> > Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can maintain a =
place
> > in the top 5.
>
> agreed

The Dray Horse is no good. He never will be.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 09:55:13
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 12:39=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>
> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
> too flat imo.
>
> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
> portray when pounding his chest.

Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
Even though he has
this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
doesn't believe in himself
to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
Slam, imo. That shows
in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 22:25:48
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>>
>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>> too flat imo.
>>
>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>> portray when pounding his chest.
>
>Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
>Even though he has
>this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
>doesn't believe in himself
>to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
>Slam, imo. That shows
>in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
>racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.

I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is a
chance nobody will remember it.



   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 01:12:48
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
> <jason-catlin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>>>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>>>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>>>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>>> too flat imo.
>>>
>>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>>> portray when pounding his chest.
>> Correct analysis. I think his confidence is a bit of a show as well.
>> Even though he has
>> this reputation of being so confident and enamored with himself, he
>> doesn't believe in himself
>> to the same degree that someone like Rafa did even before he had won a
>> Slam, imo. That shows
>> in the frustration he shows in matches, even sometimes throwing his
>> racquet when he's up 2 breaks in a set.
>
> I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
> is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is a
> chance nobody will remember it.
>

Solid analysis!

--
Cheers,

vc


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:00:28
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
In article <eff7m4lnp2mpn50ouvd2jhbmemjv25n0av@4ax.com >,
sakari.lund@welho.com (Sakari Lund) wrote:

>
> I am going to keep saying people are writing him off too soon. There
> is a chance I will be right eventually. And if I am wrong, there is
> a
> chance nobody will remember it.
>

Depends how many times you say it.

wg


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:39:36
From: TT
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> maintain a place in the top 5.

His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
too flat imo.

His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
portray when pounding his chest.

But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:00:27
From:
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
In article <sHM8l.115023$_03.97509@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi >,
gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:

>
> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is
> such that there might not be much to build on more, not much to
> improve. Hits too flat imo.
>
> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the
> match against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for
> #2, fail.

He'd have only had it for two weeks anyway. :)

> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career
> so far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he
> likes to portray when pounding his chest.

He hasn't had that many titles to try to defend yet.

>
> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for
> it. Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though.
> Kafelnikov mark II.

I don't think he's an inventive and creative talent like Fed/Nadal/Murray,
but he's a damn good player and he runs like a maniac. And he's still
quite young. I do think he got a little lucky at last year's AO by meeting
an unhealthy Federer in the semis and Tsonga in the final, but he was such
a strong #3 by then that something like that was bound to happen. I don't
think he's finished, not by a long shot.

otoh, my prediction for the year was Federer #1, Nadal and Murray slugging
it out for #2, and Djokovic trailing at #4. So I sort of half-agree with
you. :)

wg


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:39:10
From: Richard Eich
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
gold@Olympics.org wrote...
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>
> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
> too flat imo.
>
> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
> portray when pounding his chest.
>
> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.

I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
tennis.

Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.

--
A fight starts when a man reaches the limits of his intelligence.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:52:29
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Richard Eich <richard.eich@domain.invalid > wrote:
> gold@Olympics.org wrote...
>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> > I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>> > the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>> > (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>> > maintain a place in the top 5.
>>
>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>> too flat imo.
>>
>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>> portray when pounding his chest.
>>
>> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
>> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>
> I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
> into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
> and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
> the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
> feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
> tennis.
>
> Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.

Safin lite?


    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:07:10
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> Richard Eich <richard.eich@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> gold@Olympics.org wrote...
>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>>>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>>>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>>>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>>> too flat imo.
>>>
>>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>>> portray when pounding his chest.
>>>
>>> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
>>> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>> I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
>> into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
>> and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
>> the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
>> feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
>> tennis.
>>
>> Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>
> Safin lite?

Isn't all this a big leap after an early season loss against a very
talented youngster in a tough first match of the year?

Didn't Djokovic win the YEC or something last year? Couldn't be, right?

--
Cheers,

vc


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:47:16
From: TT
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
Richard Eich wrote:
> gold@Olympics.org wrote...
>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got
>>> the kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win
>>> (think Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can
>>> maintain a place in the top 5.
>> His level of play has been stalling since Queens 2008. His game is such
>> that there might not be much to build on more, not much to improve. Hits
>> too flat imo.
>>
>> His mental side is rather suspect too. Head hanging most of the match
>> against Gulbis...this was the second time he had a chance for #2, fail.
>> Also he hasn't been able to defend SINGLE title during his career so
>> far. Added there his tendency to give up, eh injure himself when
>> losing...yes, I think he doesn't have nearly as big heart as he likes to
>> portray when pounding his chest.
>>
>> But, all this doesn't say he couldn't take AO. He has the game for it.
>> Imo not the game or heart for a great champion though. Kafelnikov mark II.
>
> I've always figured Djoko wants to use tennis as a stepping stone
> into being some sort of bigger star, where there's both more money
> and it's a lot easier to make. Action-movies, maybe? I dunno, but
> the comical way he strips his shirt off and struts around makes me
> feel like he's making some sort of play for something outside of
> tennis.
>
> Maybe he's just trying to be a tennis bad-boy or sumpthin'.
>

Gay action movies probably...

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 09:18:18
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Are Djokovic's best days behind him?
On Jan 6, 4:55=A0pm, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> I always said he was a nominal talent. Sure, he won the AO, but he got th=
e
> kind of break there that would have see many lesser players win (think
> Gaudio at FO). It will be very interesting to see if he can maintain a pl=
ace
> in the top 5.

agreed