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Date: 20 Dec 2008 10:05:46
From:
Subject: Australian wild card playoffs
Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
she's playing against?

wg




 
Date: 23 Dec 2008 02:00:19
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Dec 21, 3:05=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
> the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngster=
s
> she's playing against?
>
> wg

i went and watched her last three matches. she is indeed looking very
fit, but had a lot of trouble with her serve. solid 2nd serve, but
she struggled to put in 1st serves on all 3 days. she played very
relaxed after losing to Wejnert in the round robin in her QF (v.
Sheed) and SF (v. Starr), but she was a nervous wreck in the final .in
short, she needs a lot of work to get. she said she'd been playing
indoors in Germany and was not used to the surface speed. you could
definitely tell, as she was standing too far back behind the baseline
(esp. in the final)

Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails. hits *very* hard
off the ground (both sides) and gets *everything* back, even when off
balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is very difficult
to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result. Dokic was unable
or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a result, she spent the
entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by her serve, and at the
end, inexperience - she could have easily broken for the match at 5-4
in the second. she will need to work on her serve though - she slices
it in and falls backward into the court, but reliable.

the semi against Em Starr was very impressive. it was very close off
the ground, despite the 61 61 result, predicatably, Dokic knew how to
win all the big points though. not much to tell, but Starr impressed
me, she has an athletic build and a great serve - a player very much
in the Stosur mould, she's the one that has the best shot at the top
100 of the players i saw, other than Wejnert and Isabella Holland, a
big babe-esque player who was outwitted by Wejnert in the other semi.


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:55:10
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:00:19 -0800 (PST), nicksalzberg@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Dec 21, 3:05am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
>> the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
>> she's playing against?
>>
>> wg
>
>i went and watched her last three matches. she is indeed looking very
>fit, but had a lot of trouble with her serve. solid 2nd serve, but
>she struggled to put in 1st serves on all 3 days. she played very
>relaxed after losing to Wejnert in the round robin in her QF (v.
>Sheed) and SF (v. Starr), but she was a nervous wreck in the final .in
>short, she needs a lot of work to get. she said she'd been playing
>indoors in Germany and was not used to the surface speed. you could
>definitely tell, as she was standing too far back behind the baseline
>(esp. in the final)
>
>Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
>player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails.

Sounds boring.

> hits *very* hard
>off the ground (both sides)

Wait a minute... You said Hingis-like?

> and gets *everything* back, even when off
>balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is very difficult
>to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result. Dokic was unable
>or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a result, she spent the
>entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by her serve, and at the
>end, inexperience - she could have easily broken for the match at 5-4
>in the second. she will need to work on her serve though - she slices
>it in and falls backward into the court, but reliable.
>
>the semi against Em Starr was very impressive. it was very close off
>the ground, despite the 61 61 result, predicatably, Dokic knew how to
>win all the big points though. not much to tell, but Starr impressed
>me, she has an athletic build and a great serve - a player very much
>in the Stosur mould, she's the one that has the best shot at the top
>100 of the players i saw, other than Wejnert and Isabella Holland, a
>big babe-esque player who was outwitted by Wejnert in the other semi.

Thanks for the report.



   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:57:38
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
In article <in4fl45vanhvktpg9fo4qh3tsvkvornca6@4ax.com >,
sakari.lund@welho.com (Sakari Lund) wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:00:19 -0800 (PST), nicksalzberg@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >
> >i went and watched her last three matches. she is indeed looking
> very
> >fit, but had a lot of trouble with her serve. solid 2nd serve, but
> >she struggled to put in 1st serves on all 3 days. she played very
> >relaxed after losing to Wejnert in the round robin in her QF (v.
> >Sheed) and SF (v. Starr), but she was a nervous wreck in the final
> .in
> >short, she needs a lot of work to get. she said she'd been playing
> >indoors in Germany and was not used to the surface speed. you
> could
> >definitely tell, as she was standing too far back behind the
> baseline
> >(esp. in the final)
> >
> >Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
> >player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails.
>
> Sounds boring.

HIngis wasn't boring; but she wasn't a human backboard either.

>
> > hits *very* hard
> >off the ground (both sides)
>
> Wait a minute... You said Hingis-like?

Quite.

>
> > and gets *everything* back, even when off
> >balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is very
> difficult
> >to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result. Dokic was
> unable
> >or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a result, she spent the
> >entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by her serve, and at the
> >end, inexperience - she could have easily broken for the match at
> 5-4
> >in the second. she will need to work on her serve though - she
> slices
> >it in and falls backward into the court, but reliable.
> >
> >the semi against Em Starr was very impressive. it was very close
> off
> >the ground, despite the 61 61 result, predicatably, Dokic knew how
> to
> >win all the big points though. not much to tell, but Starr
> impressed
> >me, she has an athletic build and a great serve - a player very
> much
> >in the Stosur mould, she's the one that has the best shot at the
> top
> >100 of the players i saw, other than Wejnert and Isabella Holland,
> a
> >big babe-esque player who was outwitted by Wejnert in the other
> semi.
>
> Thanks for the report.
>

Yes, indeed. There seems to be a national Australian thing of having great
serves. I did ask Stosur about it last summer, and she wasn't sure why -
probably their particular set of coaches. But Molik, Philippoussis,
Stosur...

wg



    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 19:50:12
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:57:38 -0600, wendyg wrote:

> In article <in4fl45vanhvktpg9fo4qh3tsvkvornca6@4ax.com>,
> sakari.lund@welho.com (Sakari Lund) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:00:19 -0800 (PST), nicksalzberg@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
>>> player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails.
>>
>> Sounds boring.
>
> HIngis wasn't boring; but she wasn't a human backboard either.

Well, with her, assuming she was going good and you couldn't outright
overpower her (the Big Babe + Henin strategy), about the only shots you
could get off were the shots she wanted you to make and was waiting for:

Black magic by the Ice Witch! (Flippin' demoralizin'.)

That run of hers up the rankings her last time out was just hilarious.

And shows the lack of mental depth in the women's game.

(No doubt the men's, too, but we don't have anyone on the men's side
remotely approaching Hingis in that respect, either, AFAIK-- and spins
alone don't get it.)

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.





  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 21:48:20
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
nicksalzberg@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 21, 3:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is
>> now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of
>> the youngsters she's playing against?
>>
>> wg
>
> i went and watched her last three matches. she is indeed looking very
> fit, but had a lot of trouble with her serve. solid 2nd serve, but
> she struggled to put in 1st serves on all 3 days. she played very
> relaxed after losing to Wejnert in the round robin in her QF (v.
> Sheed) and SF (v. Starr), but she was a nervous wreck in the final .in
> short, she needs a lot of work to get. she said she'd been playing
> indoors in Germany and was not used to the surface speed. you could
> definitely tell, as she was standing too far back behind the baseline
> (esp. in the final)
>
> Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
> player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails. hits *very* hard
> off the ground (both sides) and gets *everything* back, even when off
> balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is very difficult
> to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result. Dokic was unable
> or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a result, she spent the
> entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by her serve, and at the
> end, inexperience - she could have easily broken for the match at 5-4
> in the second. she will need to work on her serve though - she slices
> it in and falls backward into the court, but reliable.
>
> the semi against Em Starr was very impressive. it was very close off
> the ground, despite the 61 61 result, predicatably, Dokic knew how to
> win all the big points though. not much to tell, but Starr impressed
> me, she has an athletic build and a great serve - a player very much
> in the Stosur mould, she's the one that has the best shot at the top
> 100 of the players i saw, other than Wejnert and Isabella Holland, a
> big babe-esque player who was outwitted by Wejnert in the other semi.

Wow, that's great. When Wendy asked that I thought she had to be kidding. No TV
and a handful of spectators at best, and a chance of zip that one of those few
would read RST, I thought.





   
Date: 23 Dec 2008 14:49:57
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:48:20 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> nicksalzberg@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Dec 21, 3:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is
>>> now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of
>>> the youngsters she's playing against?
>>
>> i went and watched her last three matches. she is indeed looking very
>> fit, but had a lot of trouble with her serve. solid 2nd serve, but
>> she struggled to put in 1st serves on all 3 days. she played very
>> relaxed after losing to Wejnert in the round robin in her QF (v.
>> Sheed) and SF (v. Starr), but she was a nervous wreck in the final .in
>> short, she needs a lot of work to get. she said she'd been playing
>> indoors in Germany and was not used to the surface speed. you could
>> definitely tell, as she was standing too far back behind the baseline
>> (esp. in the final)
>>
>> Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
>> player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails. hits *very* hard
>> off the ground (both sides) and gets *everything* back, even when off
>> balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is very difficult
>> to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result. Dokic was unable
>> or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a result, she spent the
>> entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by her serve, and at the
>> end, inexperience - she could have easily broken for the match at 5-4
>> in the second. she will need to work on her serve though - she slices
>> it in and falls backward into the court, but reliable.
>>
>> the semi against Em Starr was very impressive. it was very close off
>> the ground, despite the 61 61 result, predicatably, Dokic knew how to
>> win all the big points though. not much to tell, but Starr impressed
>> me, she has an athletic build and a great serve - a player very much
>> in the Stosur mould, she's the one that has the best shot at the top
>> 100 of the players i saw, other than Wejnert and Isabella Holland, a
>> big babe-esque player who was outwitted by Wejnert in the other semi.
>
> Wow, that's great. When Wendy asked that I thought she had to be kidding. No TV
> and a handful of spectators at best, and a chance of zip that one of those few
> would read RST, I thought.

Isn't actual useful information against the rst FAQ?

But IAWTP anyway.

Wejnert sounds better all the time, actually, and it sounded like the
spectators more than got their money's worth in that final.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



    
Date: 16 Jan 2009 12:21:38
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
>> nicksalzberg@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Wejnert is definitely one to watch- she's just 16, a Hingis-like
>>> player, she is like a human backboard with pigtails. hits *very*
>>> hard off the ground (both sides) and gets *everything* back, even
>>> when off balance or pushed very far behind the baseline. she is
>>> very difficult to put away, and was giving Dokic fits as a result.
>>> Dokic was unable or unwilling to come in and mix it up. as a
>>> result, she spent the entire match behind. Wejnert was let down by
>>> her serve, and at the end, inexperience - she could have easily
>>> broken for the match at 5-4 in the second. she will need to work
>>> on her serve though - she slices it in and falls backward into the
>>> court, but reliable.
>
> Wejnert sounds better all the time, actually, and it sounded like the
> spectators more than got their money's worth in that final.

So Wejnert got a wildcard anyway. Dokic might be wondering why she didn't get
one last year after failing to win the wildcard playoff.




 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 21:27:16
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Dec 20, 11:05=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
> the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngster=
s
> she's playing against?
>
> wg

Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she lost
the first match. Another Capriati in the making?

nemanja


  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Dec 22, 1:00=A0pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> <snort>
>
> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:

I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
decent comeback after years in the wilderness. Dokic might not have
been the best no.2 in history, but she wasn't the worst either. There
were obviously some skills and abilities she had which allowed her to
climb that high, however briefly. There's no reason to believe, if she
is truly committed and working hard, that she will continue
languishing around the 200th ranking spot.

Nemanja


   
Date: 22 Dec 2008 15:55:24
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:

> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <snort>
>>
>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>
> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.

I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .

Where would she start from ranking-wise this time, I wonder? and can she
beat her previous speed-record for climb to just outside the Top Ten? stay
tuned!

(She needs to work on her muscles some more, a la Henin.)

> Dokic might not have been the best no.2 in history, but she wasn't the
> worst either. There were obviously some skills and abilities she had
> which allowed her to climb that high, however briefly. There's no reason
> to believe, if she is truly committed and working hard, that she will
> continue languishing around the 200th ranking spot.

I see her battling more or less permanently in the Second Ten, basically.

Not a bad place to stay, and a helluva lot more money than she's been
making.

(And I think her highest ranking was 4, not 2.)

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



    
Date: 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48
From: TT
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>
>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <snort>
>>>
>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>
> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .

She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


     
Date: 22 Dec 2008 17:30:46
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0200, TT wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <snort>
>>>>
>>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>>>
>>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>>
>> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .
>
> She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.

It was fun watching her rip up through the rankings until she butted up
against the very top level . . . .

Little Miss Psywar indeed.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



      
Date: 23 Dec 2008 00:46:17
From: TT
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0200, TT wrote:
>
>> mimus wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <snort>
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>>>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>>>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>>>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>>> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .
>> She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.
>
> It was fun watching her rip up through the rankings until she butted up
> against the very top level . . . .
>
> Little Miss Psywar indeed.
>

Piss off.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


       
Date: 22 Dec 2008 18:10:54
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:46:17 +0200, TT wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0200, TT wrote:
>>
>>> mimus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <snort>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>>>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>>>>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>>>>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .
>>>
>>> She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.
>>
>> It was fun watching her rip up through the rankings until she butted up
>> against the very top level . . . .
>>
>> Little Miss Psywar indeed.
>
> Piss off.

You don't miss her? had yer feelings abraded by some little off-court
maneuver of hers? she can definitely get into people's heads . . . .

Probably should go into politics if she's not gonna come back to tennis:

The EU would never be the same.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:51:09
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:10:54 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:46:17 +0200, TT wrote:
>
>> mimus wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0200, TT wrote:
>>>
>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snort>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>>>>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>>>>>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>>>>>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .
>>>>
>>>> She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.
>>>
>>> It was fun watching her rip up through the rankings until she butted up
>>> against the very top level . . . .
>>>
>>> Little Miss Psywar indeed.
>>
>> Piss off.
>
>You don't miss her? had yer feelings abraded by some little off-court
>maneuver of hers? she can definitely get into people's heads . . . .
>
>Probably should go into politics if she's not gonna come back to tennis:
>
>The EU would never be the same.

Switzerland is not part of EU and not much anything.



        
Date: 23 Dec 2008 01:23:43
From: TT
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:46:17 +0200, TT wrote:
>
>> mimus wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0200, TT wrote:
>>>
>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:42:34 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 22, 1:00 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snort>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
>>>>>>> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>>>>>> I didn't mean to say that she is as good as Hingis - she obviously is
>>>>>> not. But Hingis is a usable recent example of a player managing a
>>>>>> decent comeback after years in the wilderness.
>>>>> I'm still hoping we'll see her back again . . . .
>>>> She's the talent goat. All sorts of talent.
>>> It was fun watching her rip up through the rankings until she butted up
>>> against the very top level . . . .
>>>
>>> Little Miss Psywar indeed.
>> Piss off.
>
> You don't miss her? had yer feelings abraded by some little off-court
> maneuver of hers? she can definitely get into people's heads . . . .
>
> Probably should go into politics if she's not gonna come back to tennis:
>
> The EU would never be the same.
>

I miss her too much. She was miss congeniality herself with her second
coming. Even gave Radek for pity.

As I said most talented and most sexy mover there ever was.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 09:20:21
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Dec 21, 5:06=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:39:06 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >In article
> ><1cc0c176-792e-4d81-81e8-bc84cb481...@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >nemanja.dundjero...@discreet.com () wrote:
>
> >> On Dec 20, 11:05=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> > Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather
> >> > Dokic is
> >> > playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is
> >> > now in
> >> > the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the
> >> > youngsters
> >> > she's playing against?
>
> >> > wg
>
> >> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
> >> lost
> >> the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>
> >YOu know, Dokic had a kind of limited game, but it would be good to see
> >her back. 1999 was the year that a whole generation of players broke
> >through: Dokic, STevenson, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, SW, plus t=
he
> >rebirth of Capriati...and only a couple of years earlier Kournikova,
> >Hingis, VW, and only a couple of years later Myskina, Dementieva, et al.
> >And only VW, Mauresmo, and Dementieva still playing, really.
>
> I don't think Serena has quit either...
>
> I always give Dokic most credit for one of the very few matches I saw,
> where Kim played well, and lost. I think it was in Z=FCrich. That really
> convinced me how well she can play.

Dokic had some undeniable quality, particularly on indoor surfaces.
And of course she had some success at Wimbledon. If she is really back
and working hard, I don't see a reason why she couldn't come back to
the top 25. Higher than that, I wouldn't want to speculate, but if
Hingis could come back to the top 5...

Nemanja


   
Date: 22 Dec 2008 13:00:02
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:20:21 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:

> On Dec 21, 5:06 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:39:06 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <1cc0c176-792e-4d81-81e8-bc84cb481...@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>>> nemanja.dundjero...@discreet.com () wrote:
>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather
>>>>> Dokic is playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter
>>>>> and is now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or
>>>>> some of the youngsters she's playing against?
>>>>
>>>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
>>>> lost the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>>
>>> YOu know, Dokic had a kind of limited game, but it would be good to
>>> see her back. 1999 was the year that a whole generation of players
>>> broke through: Dokic, STevenson, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo,
>>> SW, plus the rebirth of Capriati...and only a couple of years earlier
>>> Kournikova, Hingis, VW, and only a couple of years later Myskina,
>>> Dementieva, et al. And only VW, Mauresmo, and Dementieva still
>>> playing, eally.
>>
>> I don't think Serena has quit either...
>>
>> I always give Dokic most credit for one of the very few matches I saw,
>> where Kim played well, and lost. I think it was in Zürich. That really
>> convinced me how well she can play.
>
> Dokic had some undeniable quality, particularly on indoor surfaces. And
> of course she had some success at Wimbledon. If she is really back and
> working hard, I don't see a reason why she couldn't come back to the top
> 25. Higher than that, I wouldn't want to speculate, but if Hingis could
> come back to the top 5...

<snort >

As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:

I'll leave it to the reader to work out where the relative deficiency lies.

(As for her other assets, I was browsing jelena-dokic.com this morning,
and looked at the ten photos voted best by people browsing the galleries
there, and, while I wouldn't like to say I'm sure about this, exactly, it
kind of looked to me like the one or two things her fans most admire about
her are her nipples.)

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




    
Date: 22 Dec 2008 20:24:04
From: TT
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:20:21 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>
>> On Dec 21, 5:06 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:39:06 -0600, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <1cc0c176-792e-4d81-81e8-bc84cb481...@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> nemanja.dundjero...@discreet.com () wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather
>>>>>> Dokic is playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter
>>>>>> and is now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or
>>>>>> some of the youngsters she's playing against?
>>>>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
>>>>> lost the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>>>> YOu know, Dokic had a kind of limited game, but it would be good to
>>>> see her back. 1999 was the year that a whole generation of players
>>>> broke through: Dokic, STevenson, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo,
>>>> SW, plus the rebirth of Capriati...and only a couple of years earlier
>>>> Kournikova, Hingis, VW, and only a couple of years later Myskina,
>>>> Dementieva, et al. And only VW, Mauresmo, and Dementieva still
>>>> playing, eally.
>>> I don't think Serena has quit either...
>>>
>>> I always give Dokic most credit for one of the very few matches I saw,
>>> where Kim played well, and lost. I think it was in Zürich. That really
>>> convinced me how well she can play.
>> Dokic had some undeniable quality, particularly on indoor surfaces. And
>> of course she had some success at Wimbledon. If she is really back and
>> working hard, I don't see a reason why she couldn't come back to the top
>> 25. Higher than that, I wouldn't want to speculate, but if Hingis could
>> come back to the top 5...
>
> <snort>
>
> As much as I liked Dokic's game, in particular her feistiness, and
> sincerely hope she makes her comeback, she is no Hingis:
>
> I'll leave it to the reader to work out where the relative deficiency lies.
>
> (As for her other assets, I was browsing jelena-dokic.com this morning,
> and looked at the ten photos voted best by people browsing the galleries
> there, and, while I wouldn't like to say I'm sure about this, exactly, it
> kind of looked to me like the one or two things her fans most admire about
> her are her nipples.)
>

links?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 21 Dec 2008 11:39:06
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
In article
<1cc0c176-792e-4d81-81e8-bc84cb48156a@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >,
nemanja.dundjerovic@discreet.com () wrote:

> On Dec 20, 11:05am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> > Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather
> > Dokic is
> > playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is
> > now in
> > the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the
> > youngsters
> > she's playing against?
> >
> > wg
>
> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
> lost
> the first match. Another Capriati in the making?

YOu know, Dokic had a kind of limited game, but it would be good to see
her back. 1999 was the year that a whole generation of players broke
through: Dokic, STevenson, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, SW, plus the
rebirth of Capriati...and only a couple of years earlier Kournikova,
Hingis, VW, and only a couple of years later Myskina, Dementieva, et al.
And only VW, Mauresmo, and Dementieva still playing, really.

wg


   
Date: 22 Dec 2008 00:06:18
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:39:06 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article
><1cc0c176-792e-4d81-81e8-bc84cb48156a@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>nemanja.dundjerovic@discreet.com () wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 11:05am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> > Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather
>> > Dokic is
>> > playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is
>> > now in
>> > the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the
>> > youngsters
>> > she's playing against?
>> >
>> > wg
>>
>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
>> lost
>> the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>
>YOu know, Dokic had a kind of limited game, but it would be good to see
>her back. 1999 was the year that a whole generation of players broke
>through: Dokic, STevenson, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, SW, plus the
>rebirth of Capriati...and only a couple of years earlier Kournikova,
>Hingis, VW, and only a couple of years later Myskina, Dementieva, et al.
>And only VW, Mauresmo, and Dementieva still playing, really.

I don't think Serena has quit either...

I always give Dokic most credit for one of the very few matches I saw,
where Kim played well, and lost. I think it was in Zrich. That really
convinced me how well she can play.



  
Date: 21 Dec 2008 01:05:23
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:27:16 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:

> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
>> the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
>> she's playing against?
>
> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she lost
> the first match. Another Capriati in the making?

It all depends on who she draws in the first round . . . :

Could be, with all the best will and determination in the world, a quick
flame-out (Shara, a Williams, any of a double-handful of Russians, a
couple of Serbs . . . ).

I do hope that even if that happens she'll still keep it going.

I'd like to see her get back into the tourneys, although I have no
illusions about her making Top Ten again:

Way too crowded and nasty up there.

Still, she really should be able to make a better career of it than she
has been, due to various factors, most not her own fault.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



   
Date: 21 Dec 2008 01:36:19
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:05:23 -0500, mimus wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:27:16 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
>>> the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
>>> she's playing against?
>>
>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she lost
>> the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>
> It all depends on who she draws in the first round . . . :
>
> Could be, with all the best will and determination in the world, a quick
> flame-out (Shara, a Williams, any of a double-handful of Russians, a
> couple of Serbs . . . ).
>
> I do hope that even if that happens she'll still keep it going.
>
> I'd like to see her get back into the tourneys, although I have no
> illusions about her making Top Ten again:
>
> Way too crowded and nasty up there.
>
> Still, she really should be able to make a better career of it than she
> has been, due to various factors, most not her own fault.

Wow, it wasn't without a struggle:

"The former world No.4 overcame an early bout of nerves to outlast
Queensland teenager Monica Wejnert in three tough sets, taking two hours
five minutes to secure a 6-7 (3-7) 7-5 6-3 win in the wildcard play-off
tournament at Melbourne Park on Sunday.

"Dokic, 25, is embarking on one last tilt at the tour and will now try to
qualify for lead-up events in Brisbane and Hobart before taking her place
in the Open main draw.

"Today's victory avenged Dokic's only loss in the wildcard play-off-- to
Wejnert last week--and has provided her with a significant boost in
confidence as she prepares to cut her ranking from its present standing of
179.

"But she betrayed her lack of composure when she found herself 0-3 down in
the opening set against the feisty 16-year-old . . . ."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24827920-11088,00.html


Sounds like Wejnert's one to keep an eye on, too.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



    
Date: 22 Dec 2008 08:01:20
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
mimus wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:05:23 -0500, mimus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:27:16 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic
>>>> is playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and
>>>> is now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some
>>>> of the youngsters she's playing against?
>>>
>>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
>>> lost the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>>
>> It all depends on who she draws in the first round . . . :
>>
>> Could be, with all the best will and determination in the world, a
>> quick flame-out (Shara, a Williams, any of a double-handful of
>> Russians, a couple of Serbs . . . ).
>>
>> I do hope that even if that happens she'll still keep it going.
>>
>> I'd like to see her get back into the tourneys, although I have no
>> illusions about her making Top Ten again:
>>
>> Way too crowded and nasty up there.
>>
>> Still, she really should be able to make a better career of it than
>> she has been, due to various factors, most not her own fault.
>
> Wow, it wasn't without a struggle:
>
> "The former world No.4 overcame an early bout of nerves to outlast
> Queensland teenager Monica Wejnert in three tough sets, taking two
> hours five minutes to secure a 6-7 (3-7) 7-5 6-3 win in the wildcard
> play-off tournament at Melbourne Park on Sunday.
>
> "Dokic, 25, is embarking on one last tilt at the tour and will now
> try to qualify for lead-up events in Brisbane and Hobart before
> taking her place in the Open main draw.
>
> "Today's victory avenged Dokic's only loss in the wildcard play-off--
> to Wejnert last week--and has provided her with a significant boost in
> confidence as she prepares to cut her ranking from its present
> standing of 179.
>
> "But she betrayed her lack of composure when she found herself 0-3
> down in the opening set against the feisty 16-year-old . . . ."

Once again The Age let me down by saying she is 18, which I posted earlier.




     
Date: 21 Dec 2008 17:28:28
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:01:20 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:05:23 -0500, mimus wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:27:16 -0800, nemanja.dundjerovic wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 11:05 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic
>>>>> is playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and
>>>>> is now in the semis. Any scouting reports about either her or some
>>>>> of the youngsters she's playing against?
>>>>
>>>> Looks like Dokic won the final, against the same girl to whom she
>>>> lost the first match. Another Capriati in the making?
>>>
>>> It all depends on who she draws in the first round . . . :
>>>
>>> Could be, with all the best will and determination in the world, a
>>> quick flame-out (Shara, a Williams, any of a double-handful of
>>> Russians, a couple of Serbs . . . ).
>>>
>>> I do hope that even if that happens she'll still keep it going.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see her get back into the tourneys, although I have no
>>> illusions about her making Top Ten again:
>>>
>>> Way too crowded and nasty up there.
>>>
>>> Still, she really should be able to make a better career of it than
>>> she has been, due to various factors, most not her own fault.
>>
>> Wow, it wasn't without a struggle:
>>
>> "The former world No.4 overcame an early bout of nerves to outlast
>> Queensland teenager Monica Wejnert in three tough sets, taking two
>> hours five minutes to secure a 6-7 (3-7) 7-5 6-3 win in the wildcard
>> play-off tournament at Melbourne Park on Sunday.
>>
>> "Dokic, 25, is embarking on one last tilt at the tour and will now
>> try to qualify for lead-up events in Brisbane and Hobart before
>> taking her place in the Open main draw.
>>
>> "Today's victory avenged Dokic's only loss in the wildcard play-off--
>> to Wejnert last week--and has provided her with a significant boost in
>> confidence as she prepares to cut her ranking from its present
>> standing of 179.
>>
>> "But she betrayed her lack of composure when she found herself 0-3
>> down in the opening set against the feisty 16-year-old . . . ."
>
> Once again The Age let me down by saying she is 18, which I posted earlier.

Their front-page is totalled as far as accessing it goes to me,
script-wrapped and apparently chock-full of mandatorily-loaded Flash video
or something . . . .

They should feed their web-designers to the dingoes and start over.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.





 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:15:23
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:05:46 -0600, wendyg wrote:

> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
> the semis.

Good on our little Psycho Serb!

> Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
> she's playing against?

Just struck me, aren't they playing these things a bit early?

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




  
Date: 20 Dec 2008 18:11:57
From:
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
In article <Y_-dnZsTe9KLtdDUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com >,
tinmimus99@hotmail.com (mimus) wrote:

>
> Just struck me, aren't they playing these things a bit early?

No, not really. Think about it - no one wants to play the matches
Christmas week, and by December 31 there are events starting all over
Aus/NZ. So this is the best time, and then players go on to the other
events knowing whether they're in or will need to play qualifying, or
whatever.

wg


  
Date: 20 Dec 2008 14:52:52
From: Ted S.
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:15:23 -0500, mimus wrote:

>> Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
>> she's playing against?
>
> Just struck me, aren't they playing these things a bit early?

They probably don't want to play it over Christmas, and they need to
give the wildcard before the start of qualifying, which is in Week 2 of
the new year. So it's either this week, or the first week of next year,
when you've got two other WTA events.

--
Ted Schuerzinger
tedstennis at myrealbox dot com
If you're afraid of the ball, don't sit in the front row. --Anastasia
Rodionova


  
Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:50:38
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Australian wild card playoffs
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:15:23 -0500, mimus wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:05:46 -0600, wendyg wrote:
>
>> Is anyone down there actually seeing these matches? I gather Dokic is
>> playing - has had one bad loss but is looking a lot fitter and is now in
>> the semis.
>
> Good on our little Psycho Serb!

LOL

She's in the final, and to win the wild-card she has to beat the teenager
that beat her earlier in the round-robin, Monika Wejnert:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24827143-3162,00.html

>> Any scouting reports about either her or some of the youngsters
>> she's playing against?
>
> Just struck me, aren't they playing these things a bit early?

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.