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Date: 30 Jan 2009 07:50:19
From: robin
Subject: Big match for Federer
If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
clay.

If he loses, he cannot.

3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
to start to say that Nadal is simply better.

In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
an end, if he loses tomorrow.




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:24:23
From:
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 30, 10:50=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> clay.
>
> If he loses, he cannot.
>
> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> an end, if he loses tomorrow.

Was that why Fed was crying?


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 10:14:38
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 31, 6:13=A0am, Carey <carey_1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> RahimAsif wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 9:50=A0am,robin<robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off=
-
> > > clay.
>
> > > If he loses, he cannot.
>
> > > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> > > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> > > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> > > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> > Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
> > line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
> > the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
> > time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
> > Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED =3D GOAT debate.
>
> "Spot on analysis..." are you sure you're not the Lisper,
> or, perhaps worse, a true-believing acolyte, "Rahim"?

Yes, thats why I have debated Whisper and bob so many times. Makes
perfect sense...


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 04:13:09
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer


RahimAsif wrote:
> On Jan 30, 9:50=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> > clay.
> >
> > If he loses, he cannot.
> >
> > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
> >
> > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
> line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
> the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
> time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
> Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED =3D GOAT debate.

"Spot on analysis..." are you sure you're not the Lisper,
or, perhaps worse, a true-believing acolyte, "Rahim"?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 19:54:26
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 30, 9:50=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> clay.
>
> If he loses, he cannot.
>
> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> an end, if he loses tomorrow.

Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED =3D GOAT debate.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 14:03:11
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:54:26 -0800 (PST), RahimAsif
<RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 30, 9:50 am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
>> clay.
>>
>> If he loses, he cannot.
>>
>> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
>> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>>
>> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
>> an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
>Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
>line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
>the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
>time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
>Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED = GOAT debate.

Well, I don't claim I understand how the GOAT people think, but this
is just weird that everyone says this. If Fed loses tomorrow, but wins
FO, W, and USO and Grand Slam 2010, still GOAT people seem to be
saying he can't be GOAT.


   
Date: 31 Jan 2009 13:07:31
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote in message
news:naf8o4pfe1014v8e144atgo1jjqu8n3fg2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:54:26 -0800 (PST), RahimAsif
> <RahimAsif@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 30, 9:50 am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
>>> clay.
>>>
>>> If he loses, he cannot.
>>>
>>> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
>>> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
>>> an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>>
>>Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
>>line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
>>the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
>>time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
>>Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED = GOAT debate.
>
> Well, I don't claim I understand how the GOAT people think, but this
> is just weird that everyone says this. If Fed loses tomorrow, but wins
> FO, W, and USO and Grand Slam 2010, still GOAT people seem to be
> saying he can't be GOAT.


Of course he could, so could I if I win next 20 slams.

I mean what are the odds of him winning a CYGS in 2010?

People here talk reality stuff.





    
Date: 31 Jan 2009 12:29:23
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:07:31 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
>"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote in message
>news:naf8o4pfe1014v8e144atgo1jjqu8n3fg2@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:54:26 -0800 (PST), RahimAsif
>> <RahimAsif@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 30, 9:50 am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
>>>> clay.
>>>>
>>>> If he loses, he cannot.
>>>>
>>>> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
>>>> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
>>>> an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>>>
>>>Spot on analysis - agree completely. Fed's claim to GOATness is on the
>>>line. He loses tomorrow, its over - for the implied pre-req for being
>>>the greatest of all time is that you are the best of your present
>>>time, and a defeat to Nadal at AO, to go with the defeats at FO and
>>>Wim, will put the final nail into the coffin of FED = GOAT debate.
>>
>> Well, I don't claim I understand how the GOAT people think, but this
>> is just weird that everyone says this. If Fed loses tomorrow, but wins
>> FO, W, and USO and Grand Slam 2010, still GOAT people seem to be
>> saying he can't be GOAT.
>
>
>Of course he could, so could I if I win next 20 slams.
>
>I mean what are the odds of him winning a CYGS in 2010?
>


50/50 ?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:33:13
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 30, 11:30=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 jan, 20:16, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 10:55=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 jan, 16:50, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal o=
ff-
> > > > clay.
>
> > > > If he loses, he cannot.
>
> > > > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you hav=
e
> > > > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> > > > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come =
to
> > > > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> > > Not entirely, since he would still have time to recover and beat Nada=
l
> > > in other parts of the world and at W and USO.
>
> > And boy, would he need to. And getting those opportunities would be
> > largely out of his control.
>
> Yes, just like it has been for the last couple of years. Nadal's now
> finally presents himself on another Federer domain, ready to wrestle
> it from him. Fed should be happy for the opportunity even though he
> would have liked it to come a little sooner.
>
> > > However, I agree losing on Sunday would settle the discussion for the
> > > time being and Federer will stop being associated as a goat contender=
.
> > > Instead, Nadal will be.
>
> > Fed's claim to GOAT will be seriously dented if he plays the stooge in
> > Nadal's Surface Slam. =A0I don't think Nadal gets to enter the GOAT
> > discussion until he racks up at least a couple more slams though, even
> > if he wins this.
>
> Sure, but I mean the press and a lot of people would - at least
> temporarily - consider Nadal to be on his way to becoming that GOAT.

Really? As Whisper would say, that's ceibs hyperbole.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:30:46
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On 30 jan, 20:16, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:55=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 jan, 16:50, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off=
-
> > > clay.
>
> > > If he loses, he cannot.
>
> > > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> > > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> > > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> > > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> > Not entirely, since he would still have time to recover and beat Nadal
> > in other parts of the world and at W and USO.
>
> And boy, would he need to. And getting those opportunities would be
> largely out of his control.

Yes, just like it has been for the last couple of years. Nadal's now
finally presents himself on another Federer domain, ready to wrestle
it from him. Fed should be happy for the opportunity even though he
would have liked it to come a little sooner.

> > However, I agree losing on Sunday would settle the discussion for the
> > time being and Federer will stop being associated as a goat contender.
> > Instead, Nadal will be.
>
> Fed's claim to GOAT will be seriously dented if he plays the stooge in
> Nadal's Surface Slam. =A0I don't think Nadal gets to enter the GOAT
> discussion until he racks up at least a couple more slams though, even
> if he wins this.

Sure, but I mean the press and a lot of people would - at least
temporarily - consider Nadal to be on his way to becoming that GOAT.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:24:16
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On 30 Jan, 19:16, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Fed's claim to GOAT will be seriously dented if he plays the stooge in
> Nadal's Surface Slam. =A0I don't think Nadal gets to enter the GOAT
> discussion until he racks up at least a couple more slams though, even
> if he wins this.

Yes and given that Nadal's style of play means he isn't that likely to
rack up anything close to 14 slams, his legacy is more likely to be
made by winning across the different surfaces i.e. matching Agassi's
career slam achievement. Nadal has already pulled off arguably the
hardest combo: FO and W; he should have a reasonably good chance to
win the other two at some point in his career, even if he loses on
Sunday.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:16:29
From:
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 30, 10:55=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 jan, 16:50, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> > clay.
>
> > If he loses, he cannot.
>
> > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> Not entirely, since he would still have time to recover and beat Nadal
> in other parts of the world and at W and USO.

And boy, would he need to. And getting those opportunities would be
largely out of his control.

>
> However, I agree losing on Sunday would settle the discussion for the
> time being and Federer will stop being associated as a goat contender.
> Instead, Nadal will be.

Fed's claim to GOAT will be seriously dented if he plays the stooge in
Nadal's Surface Slam. I don't think Nadal gets to enter the GOAT
discussion until he racks up at least a couple more slams though, even
if he wins this.

>
> I think Roger will win on Sunday though, pretty convingly.

He really needs to..


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:00:28
From: robin
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On 30 Jan, 15:53, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:50 pm, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> > clay.
>
> > If he loses, he cannot.
>
> > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> Yes, absolutely.
>
> If Fed loses tomorrow, it is confirmed beyond doubt that he is not
> GOAT, and also that Nadal is greater than him. (Yes, still a 6 < 13

Not quite. It would prove that Nadal is a better tennis player.
Federer would still be considered the greater, until such time as
Nadal matches Federer's achievements.

If Nadal fails to do that, he will still be behind Federer in
greatness. Just as Rios/Mecir are behind Johansson/Gaudio.





  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 14:17:43
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
robin <robinson.neil@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 15:53, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 3:50 pm, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
>> > clay.
>>
>> > If he loses, he cannot.
>>
>> > 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
>> > to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>>
>> > In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
>> > an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>>
>> Yes, absolutely.
>>
>> If Fed loses tomorrow, it is confirmed beyond doubt that he is not
>> GOAT, and also that Nadal is greater than him. (Yes, still a 6 < 13
>
> Not quite. It would prove that Nadal is a better tennis player.
> Federer would still be considered the greater, until such time as
> Nadal matches Federer's achievements.
>
> If Nadal fails to do that, he will still be behind Federer in
> greatness. Just as Rios/Mecir are behind Johansson/Gaudio.

Even though Rios completely owned Gaudio.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 07:55:56
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On 30 jan, 16:50, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> clay.
>
> If he loses, he cannot.
>
> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> an end, if he loses tomorrow.

Not entirely, since he would still have time to recover and beat Nadal
in other parts of the world and at W and USO.

However, I agree losing on Sunday would settle the discussion for the
time being and Federer will stop being associated as a goat contender.
Instead, Nadal will be.

I think Roger will win on Sunday though, pretty convingly.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 07:53:23
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
On Jan 30, 3:50 pm, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
> clay.
>
> If he loses, he cannot.
>
> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>
> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
> an end, if he loses tomorrow.

Yes, absolutely.

If Fed loses tomorrow, it is confirmed beyond doubt that he is not
GOAT, and also that Nadal is greater than him. (Yes, still a 6 < 13
slam disadvantage, but take into account Nadal is five years younger,
has a massive H2H lead and will have beaten Fed in slam finals on all
surfaces, means we cannot truly say Fed > Nadal)

I feel the pressure will get to Fed and he will lose once again versus
his nemesis.

Vamos !


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 06:39:59
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Big match for Federer
GOAT wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:50 pm, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If he wins, he can still reasonably claim to be better than Nadal off-
>> clay.
>>
>> If he loses, he cannot.
>>
>> 3 slam losses in the same year on three different surfaces, you have
>> to start to say that Nadal is simply better.
>>
>> In my opinion, Federer's shot at being the greatest ever will come to
>> an end, if he loses tomorrow.
>
> Yes, absolutely.
>
> If Fed loses tomorrow, it is confirmed beyond doubt that he is not
> GOAT, and also that Nadal is greater than him. (Yes, still a 6 < 13
> slam disadvantage, but take into account Nadal is five years younger,
> has a massive H2H lead and will have beaten Fed in slam finals on all
> surfaces, means we cannot truly say Fed > Nadal)
>
> I feel the pressure will get to Fed and he will lose once again versus
> his nemesis.
>
> Vamos !


Yes.

Do you think he'll cry again?