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Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:58:32
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. You're too pathetic.

Rafa owns FEDDY. Rafa owns tennis.

Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.

LOL!







 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:10:36
From: Alank
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 4:58=A0am, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com > wrote:
> It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic.
>
> Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.
>
> LOL!

No I think fedx has everything to win but I think he is over confidant


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 04:22:01
From: TT
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
WAY2GOOD wrote:
> It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. You're too pathetic.

Yup. It's like mocking athletes in Special Olympics.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 21:26:34
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:cTNhl.127890$_03.30088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> WAY2GOOD wrote:
>> It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. You're too pathetic.
>
> Yup. It's like mocking athletes in Special Olympics.

Yep. That's why I don't bother much anymore. It's
too easy.





 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 16:15:24
From:
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 6:58=A0pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com > wrote:
> It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic.
>
> Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.

Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
reality quite a bit. :)

I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
family.

It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds some
phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders. This is too
bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa dominating
would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriously
challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:18:09
From: zcarenow@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 5:14=A0am, Alank <alankrit.ro...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 5:59=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:15=A0pm, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:58=A0pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic=
.
>
> > > > Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> > > > Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.
>
> > > Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
> > > reality quite a bit. :)
>
> > > I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
> > > stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
> > > family.
>
> > > It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
> > > him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds =A0some
> > > phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders. This is too
> > > bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa dominating
> > > would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriousl=
y
> > > challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
> > > smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.
>
> > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> He has all the guts to do it but I dont know what is wrong.
> It is like fedex gave up the last few games in the 5th set.

The way i saw it, Fed looked somewhat fatigued in that 5th set. He
looked more like a guy who played 5 sets in the semis.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:17:00
From: zcarenow@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 5:19=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 3, 1:55=A0am, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On =A02-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 7:08=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On =A02-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Ra=
fa -
> > > > > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't matc=
h up
> > > > > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thou=
ght
> > > > > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
>
> > > > Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being
> > > > typically
> > > > extreme I think. =A0Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten in=
to
> > > > Fed's
> > > > head? =A0Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win=
Golden
> > > > CYGS?
>
> > > I was wrong then. Djokovic had a swagger which he lost after getting
> > > beaten by Rafa at FO and Queens and playing almost at his very best.
> > > It seemed to me that Fed was slightly scared of Djoker, going down 2
> > > and 2 to Fish and avoid meeting Djoker in the final (who had just
> > > crushed Nadal).
>
> > > But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
> > > hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
> > > or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c=
)
> > > improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
> > > body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.
>
> > Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some fac=
ts
> > here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially co=
uld
> > have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO fina=
l
> > because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and thi=
s is
> > not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to s=
ee
> > shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> > style..
>
> It's hilarious that Murray loses one match against a guy on fire
> during the tournament and everyone has suddenly dropped him like a hot
> potato. Murray is Nadal's biggest threat, he has the game and belief
> to beat him consistently off clay, and could help Federer out by
> stopping Nadal at (non-clay) slams (assuming Federer doesn't drop to
> #2 and start meeting Nadal in semis).
>
> Of course, Federer still has the problem of beating Murray himself :-)

If anything, Nadal matches up better against Fed than Murray or
Djokovich from the matches i've seen...how ironic.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 10:27:13
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 2:26=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:21=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:59=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> > > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> > > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> > > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
>
> > Mistaken "AGAIN?" Hell, I've never been mistaken a first time. :)
>
> > I didn't say it was just in the head, but the head still has a lot to
> > do with it. How could it not when you hit dazzling winners only to see
> > your opponent hit winners off of your winners?
>
> > The other part of it is his backhand. He can still do lots of damage
> > against Nadal with his forehand, but he has no "first strike"
> > capability with his one-handed backhand. He can be effective running
> > around it sometimes, but can't do this consistently. As much as I like
> > the beauty of a one-handed backhand, Federer's backhand vs. Nadal is
> > likeGraf'sslice vs. Seles. It is a liability that Nadal doesn't have.
>
> Actually, funny how you brought upGrafand Seles. I was just thinking
> that Nadal is doing to Fed what Seles did toGraf. Taking away #1
> ranking, winning in slams etc.


Oops, Nadal has a losing record against Federer?
Even Nadal as a #1 player?
And Nadal was trashed by Feddy in the last Wimbledon final?
And barely beat him in the FO final?

Wow ...


Max


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:19:01
From:
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 1:55=A0am, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On =A02-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:08=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On =A02-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa=
-
> > > > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match =
up
> > > > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some though=
t
> > > > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
>
> > > Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being
> > > typically
> > > extreme I think. =A0Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten into
> > > Fed's
> > > head? =A0Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win G=
olden
> > > CYGS?
>
> > I was wrong then. Djokovic had a swagger which he lost after getting
> > beaten by Rafa at FO and Queens and playing almost at his very best.
> > It seemed to me that Fed was slightly scared of Djoker, going down 2
> > and 2 to Fish and avoid meeting Djoker in the final (who had just
> > crushed Nadal).
>
> > But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
> > hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
> > or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c)
> > improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
> > body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.
>
> Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some facts
> here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially coul=
d
> have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO final
> because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and this =
is
> not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to see
> shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> style..

It's hilarious that Murray loses one match against a guy on fire
during the tournament and everyone has suddenly dropped him like a hot
potato. Murray is Nadal's biggest threat, he has the game and belief
to beat him consistently off clay, and could help Federer out by
stopping Nadal at (non-clay) slams (assuming Federer doesn't drop to
#2 and start meeting Nadal in semis).

Of course, Federer still has the problem of beating Murray himself :-)



   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 18:57:23
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!

On 3-Feb-2009, gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Feb 3, 1:55 am, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On  2-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 2, 7:08 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On  2-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against
> > > > >Rafa -
> > > > > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match
> > > > >up
> > > > > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some
> > > > >thought
> > > > > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
> >
> > > > Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being
> > > > typically
> > > > extreme I think.  Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten into
> > > > Fed's
> > > > head?  Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win
> > > > Golden
> > > > CYGS?
> >
> > > I was wrong then. Djokovic had a swagger which he lost after getting
> > > beaten by Rafa at FO and Queens and playing almost at his very best.
> > > It seemed to me that Fed was slightly scared of Djoker, going down 2
> > > and 2 to Fish and avoid meeting Djoker in the final (who had just
> > > crushed Nadal).
> >
> > > But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
> > > hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
> > > or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c)
> > > improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
> > > body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.
> >
> > Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some
> > facts
> > here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially
> > could
> > have gone either way in the end.  Rafa didn't make it to the USO final
> > because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and this
> > is
> > not going to get any better with age.  You don't seem to be able to see
> > shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> > style..
>
> It's hilarious that Murray loses one match against a guy on fire
> during the tournament and everyone has suddenly dropped him like a hot
> potato. Murray is Nadal's biggest threat, he has the game and belief
> to beat him consistently off clay, and could help Federer out by
> stopping Nadal at (non-clay) slams (assuming Federer doesn't drop to
> #2 and start meeting Nadal in semis).
>
> Of course, Federer still has the problem of beating Murray himself :-)

I have to say I think Murray is going to struggle and have thought so even
when he was on a roll. I just don't get the sense he has matured yet
mentally. He has made improvements in this area yes but a couple bad
matches and he might be doubting himself again and blowing big matches. I
would be happy to be proven wrong though as I like the guy well enough.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:14:58
From: Alank
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 5:59=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:15=A0pm, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:58=A0pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic.
>
> > > Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> > > Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.
>
> > Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
> > reality quite a bit. :)
>
> > I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
> > stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
> > family.
>
> > It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
> > him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds =A0some
> > phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders. This is too
> > bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa dominating
> > would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriously
> > challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
> > smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.
>
> See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He has all the guts to do it but I dont know what is wrong.
It is like fedex gave up the last few games in the 5th set.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:12:09
From: Alank
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 3, 5:15=A0am, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:58=A0pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic.
>
> > Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> > Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.
>
> Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
> reality quite a bit. :)
>
> I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
> stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
> family.
>
> It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
> him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds =A0some
> phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders. This is too
> bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa dominating
> would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriously
> challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
> smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.

Noooooooooooooo way!


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 21:54:34
From: zcarenow@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 9:43=A0pm, vijay.jayachand...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:09=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:55=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some f=
acts
> > > here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially =
could
> > > have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO fi=
nal
> > > because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and t=
his is
> > > not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to=
see
> > > shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your postin=
g
> > > style..
>
> > Nothing offensive in your post - maybe I do see too much black and
> > white and not enough shades of gray. I am basing by judgment more on
> > the play rather then close scores because I felt in both matches the
> > result was never in doubt...
>
> The problem is not with your interpretation of the present but with
> your prognosis of the future. You assume that what happens today will
> last forever. That is not true. Federer is not a spent force. He is
> still in the top two. He will continue to win matches and make
> opportunities to win slams. And he will also beat Nadal in the coming
> years. The only thing that can stop him is lack of motivation. The
> game is still there.
>
> Rafa on the other hand is improving by the day. He will only make it
> tougher for Federer to beat him. However, you cannot take his
> victories for granted. Otherwise, we might as well hand him the CYGS
> right now.

Exactly. Fed will make the finals of the other 3. He will take at
least one slam though i can't say it will be FO.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 21:51:26
From: zcarenow@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 8:09=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:55=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some fac=
ts
> > here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially co=
uld
> > have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO fina=
l
> > because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and thi=
s is
> > not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to s=
ee
> > shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> > style..
>
> Nothing offensive in your post - maybe I do see too much black and
> white and not enough shades of gray. I am basing by judgment more on
> the play rather then close scores because I felt in both matches the
> result was never in doubt...

You didn't have doubts that Nadal could lose the match after losing
the 4th set 6-3? Come on now...


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:43:46
From:
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 9:09=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:55=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some fac=
ts
> > here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially co=
uld
> > have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO fina=
l
> > because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and thi=
s is
> > not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to s=
ee
> > shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> > style..
>
> Nothing offensive in your post - maybe I do see too much black and
> white and not enough shades of gray. I am basing by judgment more on
> the play rather then close scores because I felt in both matches the
> result was never in doubt...

The problem is not with your interpretation of the present but with
your prognosis of the future. You assume that what happens today will
last forever. That is not true. Federer is not a spent force. He is
still in the top two. He will continue to win matches and make
opportunities to win slams. And he will also beat Nadal in the coming
years. The only thing that can stop him is lack of motivation. The
game is still there.

Rafa on the other hand is improving by the day. He will only make it
tougher for Federer to beat him. However, you cannot take his
victories for granted. Otherwise, we might as well hand him the CYGS
right now.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:09:12
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 7:55=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some facts
> here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially coul=
d
> have gone either way in the end. =A0Rafa didn't make it to the USO final
> because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and this =
is
> not going to get any better with age. =A0You don't seem to be able to see
> shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
> style..

Nothing offensive in your post - maybe I do see too much black and
white and not enough shades of gray. I am basing by judgment more on
the play rather then close scores because I felt in both matches the
result was never in doubt...


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:40:18
From:
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 8:23=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:

> But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
> hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
> or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c)
> improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
> body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.

I think we're all basically in agreement on this. He needs a "boot
camp" mentality and a team to put him through it. It is frustrating to
see someone who is too stubborn to do this. He should have really done
it a couple years ago instead of thinking he could rely on his talent
to solve Nadal, while meanwhile Nadal was working hard on developing
every part of his game. Even if Federer does this now, it may well
still not be enough to win more slams, but at least he'll know at the
end of his career that he used all resources and effort to achieve his
best results.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:26:20
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 7:21=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:59=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
>
> Mistaken "AGAIN?" Hell, I've never been mistaken a first time. :)
>
> I didn't say it was just in the head, but the head still has a lot to
> do with it. How could it not when you hit dazzling winners only to see
> your opponent hit winners off of your winners?
>
> The other part of it is his backhand. He can still do lots of damage
> against Nadal with his forehand, but he has no "first strike"
> capability with his one-handed backhand. He can be effective running
> around it sometimes, but can't do this consistently. As much as I like
> the beauty of a one-handed backhand, Federer's backhand vs. Nadal is
> like Graf's slice vs. Seles. It is a liability that Nadal doesn't have.

Actually, funny how you brought up Graf and Seles. I was just thinking
that Nadal is doing to Fed what Seles did to Graf. Taking away #1
ranking, winning in slams etc. Hope we don't see another Gunter though
(with Hazelwood types out there u never know)...


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:23:15
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 7:08=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On =A02-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
>
> Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being typical=
ly
> extreme I think. =A0Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten into Fed=
's
> head? =A0Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win Golde=
n
> CYGS?

I was wrong then. Djokovic had a swagger which he lost after getting
beaten by Rafa at FO and Queens and playing almost at his very best.
It seemed to me that Fed was slightly scared of Djoker, going down 2
and 2 to Fish and avoid meeting Djoker in the final (who had just
crushed Nadal).

But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c)
improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.


   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 01:55:15
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!

On 2-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Feb 2, 7:08 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On  2-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> > > its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> > > anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> > > he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...
> >
> > Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being
> > typically
> > extreme I think.  Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten into
> > Fed's
> > head?  Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win Golden
> > CYGS?
>
> I was wrong then. Djokovic had a swagger which he lost after getting
> beaten by Rafa at FO and Queens and playing almost at his very best.
> It seemed to me that Fed was slightly scared of Djoker, going down 2
> and 2 to Fish and avoid meeting Djoker in the final (who had just
> crushed Nadal).
>
> But I do feel that Rafa just outmatches Fed right now, and his only
> hope from now on to win slams is (a) to have Nadal taken out for him
> or (b) hope that Nadal has an off day and he plays really well, or (c)
> improve his game (bigger serving, better vollyeing, stronger upper
> body to hit backhands) which he is too stubborn to do.

Yes, Rafa definitely outmatches him right now but lets look at some facts
here....both W and AO were very close 5-set matches and W especially could
have gone either way in the end. Rafa didn't make it to the USO final
because of physical fatigue (I believe he said that, right?)....and this is
not going to get any better with age. You don't seem to be able to see
shades of gray.... no offense intended but it seems to be your posting
style..


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:21:37
From:
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 7:59=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:

> See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...

Mistaken "AGAIN?" Hell, I've never been mistaken a first time. :)

I didn't say it was just in the head, but the head still has a lot to
do with it. How could it not when you hit dazzling winners only to see
your opponent hit winners off of your winners?

The other part of it is his backhand. He can still do lots of damage
against Nadal with his forehand, but he has no "first strike"
capability with his one-handed backhand. He can be effective running
around it sometimes, but can't do this consistently. As much as I like
the beauty of a one-handed backhand, Federer's backhand vs. Nadal is
like Graf's slice vs. Seles. It is a liability that Nadal doesn't have.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 16:59:08
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
On Feb 2, 6:15=A0pm, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:58=A0pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. =A0You're too pathetic.
>
> > Rafa owns FEDDY. =A0Rafa owns tennis.
>
> > Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.
>
> Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
> reality quite a bit. :)
>
> I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
> stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
> family.
>
> It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
> him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds =A0some
> phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders. This is too
> bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa dominating
> would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriously
> challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
> smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.

See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...


   
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:15:55
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
"RahimAsif" <RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:61590093-557a-43d4-81ca-45e522686f52@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:15 pm, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:58 pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com> wrote:

>See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
>its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
>anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
>he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...

I think FEDDY could benefit from some toughening up. He needs to
go see Gil Reyes and run up some mountainsides. But I get the
feeling that he doesn't like to sweat.





   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 01:08:54
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!

On 2-Feb-2009, RahimAsif <RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote:

> See you are mistaken again - NOTHING will help Federer against Rafa -
> its no longer just in the head, Federer's games just doesn't match up
> anymore. This reminds of when Roddick hired Connors and some thought
> he will start beating Fed. I just laughed...

Sorry but he lost two very close matches to Rafa, so you're being typically
extreme I think. Didn't you say once that Djokovic had gotten into Fed's
head? Somewhere around the time when you said Djokovic would win Golden
CYGS?


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:56:28
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: CRY all you want, FEDERITES!
<cernunnos1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:94f684d0-af2d-4d98-8c5e-bff58259e6f1@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:58 pm, "WAY2GOOD" <way2g...@wtg.com > wrote:
> It's not even much fun taunting you anymore. You're too pathetic.
>
> Rafa owns FEDDY. Rafa owns tennis.
>
> Crying about roids, tactics, etc. doesn't change reality.

>Unless he really turns out to be using roids, which would change
>reality quite a bit. :)
>I've never believed that's the case, though. I don't think he'd be
>stupid enough to use them, or risk bringing the shame of it upon his
>family.

I honestly don't know, but as long as he tests clean, I
take it that he isn't. I do know he looks a lot smaller
now than he did last year at this time. Skinnier. Could
be that he cut down on the weights. But he ain't nearly
as big and musclebound as some people let on.

>It looks like Rafa does own tennis for now. If someone is to displace
>him, it doesn't appear it will be Federer--unless he finds some
>phenomenal coach/sports psychologist can work wonders.

I think FEDDY needs to join Verdasco and go see Gil Reyes.

>This is too bad, because while the rivalry was good for tennis, Rafa
>dominating
>would be painfully dull. Djokovic looks to be too fragile to seriously
>challenge him, and Murray too erratic. We need somone new, someone
>smooth, someone....who doesn't howl.

I don't share your need for smoothness. I like Mike Tyson and
Sonny Liston better than Ali. If Verdasco can keep up what he
was doing at the AO, he'll be in the conversation. And I think
Murray will be too. No shame in losing to a guy as hot as
Fernando was at the AO.

Poor old Del Potro though. He may never recover. :-(