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Date: 01 Jan 2009 03:08:21
From: Fan
Subject: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT

Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.

"You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
interview with the Fars News Agency.

The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.

"I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=80118§ionid=3510211
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Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:39:44
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 5, 1:17=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 5 Jan, 00:52, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0 You are just another unreasoning hater who hopes my knowledge of
> > history is limited to what you are willing to recognize.
>
> Your "point", if I can recall, decipher, and then comprehend it
> amongst all your nonsensical blathering, seemed to be that the Jews
> had a *historical right* to a homeland in Palestine in 1948 because
> they were the legal owners of Palestine from 2,000 years earlier when
> they were evicted by the Romans. So, what you seem to be saying is:
> the Jews lost what was legally theirs by force therefore they have the
> *right* to take back what was theirs, whether by force or otherwise.

You could quote me directly rather than trying yet again to put
words in my mouth, but that wouldn't allow you to strengthen your
position by mischaracterizing my words as "nonsensical blathering",
would it? I find that when one is losing a debate one tends to throw
insults.

What I said was that your defense of the "Palestinians" was one-
sided. You objected on the grounds that it was a "matter of principle"
and helpfully clarified:

'By your absurd logic, a legal claim to a house from someone who
lived
there 50 years ago is just as valid as the legal claim to the house by
its occupants.'

I replied:

'By your own logic, if the person who lived there 50 years ago had
been the legal owner and had been forcibly removed, then his claim is
not merely "as valid as" anyone else's claim, it must _supersede and
nullify_ any and all later claims by persons who, if they are
occupying his illegally dispossessed house, are "squatters".'

Your slant apparently is that the Jews just left, implicitly
abandoning any claim. This view completely disregards the fact that
their departure was not voluntary.

> The problem is that a *historical claim* isn't the same as a
> *historical right*. What the Zionists had in the case of Palestine was
> the former not the latter.

You have found to split. You're saying that the Jews have a
"historical claim" but no "historical right" to pursue that claim?
That makes no sense.

> The other problem with your argument is
> that it completely voids as irrelevant the subsequent hundreds of
> years of non-Jewish rule in Palestine after the Jews were evicted by
> the Romans.

So, you're saying the "Palestinians'" claim on the land they lost to
the Jews supersedes the Jews' prior claim on that land?

> Even if I accept your argument that the Zionists had a *historical
> right* to Palestine rather than a *historical claim*, then I still
> cannot accept that the Zionists had the right to take back Palestine
> whether by fair means or foul because it is illegal - and also
> immoral, imo - to acquire territory through war.

By "take back" do you refer to the U. N. action that re-established
Israel? That was Xtians in Britain and America, aided by the U. N.
that made it happen.

You do not seem to be able to acknowledge that.

There was no war until seven Arab nations ganged up and attacked
Israel the same day it was formally declared to exist.

Nor do you seem to be able to acknowledge that.

The territory Israel did "acquire through war" was acquired as
fairly as any ever is. That isn't saying much, but then I don't
subscribe to the concept of 'just war' any more than you appear to,
unless it's the one Hamas is waging.

Now, if you are unfairly evicted from your house, and much later
acquire help moving back in, what legal and moral limits exist on your
resisting the squatters who move in during your absence, considering
that they not only refused to agree that you have ANY right to ANY
part of the house, have sworn to kill you, and attack you the moment
your tenancy is formally acknowledged by the legal body that
established your re-tenancy of your home?

(By the way, I note that you, unlike some other participants in this
and other relevant threads, do not seem to use "Jews" and "Zionists"
as exact synonyms. Perhaps you acknowledge that not all Zionists are
Jews? frinst:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Zionism

I can understand if you refuse to respond to that question in the
groups; it would set the other pro-"Palestinians" against you. But I
must tell you that a refusal to respond will be taken by me as a
"no".)

> Bringing this back to the current situation, I do not support
> Palestinian attempts to take back the 78% of Palestine that is now
> Israel through force but recognize that the Palestinians have a right
> to a homeland on land that is legally recognized to be theirs and that
> Israel should withdraw from the OPTs. This is not an unusual position
> and is in accordance with the International Law and the International
> Community.

Back to YOUR analogy; you and your family have been moved back into
your living room and bedroom, but the squatters in what were your
kitchen and bathroom are shooting at you from the hallway. You shoot
back and force them back out of the hallway, but a member of your
family has to stay there to hold it. What should you do?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:17:31
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 5 Jan, 00:52, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:

> =A0 You are just another unreasoning hater who hopes my knowledge of
> history is limited to what you are willing to recognize.

Your "point", if I can recall, decipher, and then comprehend it
amongst all your nonsensical blathering, seemed to be that the Jews
had a *historical right* to a homeland in Palestine in 1948 because
they were the legal owners of Palestine from 2,000 years earlier when
they were evicted by the Romans. So, what you seem to be saying is:
the Jews lost what was legally theirs by force therefore they have the
*right* to take back what was theirs, whether by force or otherwise.

The problem is that a *historical claim* isn't the same as a
*historical right*. What the Zionists had in the case of Palestine was
the former not the latter. The other problem with your argument is
that it completely voids as irrelevant the subsequent hundreds of
years of non-Jewish rule in Palestine after the Jews were evicted by
the Romans.

Even if I accept your argument that the Zionists had a *historical
right* to Palestine rather than a *historical claim*, then I still
cannot accept that the Zionists had the right to take back Palestine
whether by fair means or foul because it is illegal - and also
immoral, imo - to acquire territory through war.

Bringing this back to the current situation, I do not support
Palestinian attempts to take back the 78% of Palestine that is now
Israel through force but recognize that the Palestinians have a right
to a homeland on land that is legally recognized to be theirs and that
Israel should withdraw from the OPTs. This is not an unusual position
and is in accordance with the International Law and the International
Community.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 17:23:56
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 8:32=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> > So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
> > a stretch?
>
> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
> International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
> claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
> Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
> Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
> Tough call.................

what is this thing "International Court" ?
Who is funding it ? which party adhers to this court and what
sovereignty does it have?
As far as I know these courts are founded by jewish bankers like
George Soros and governments of Britain and America so while you and I
talk about "International Court" and some meaningless percentages jews
and their allies have flattened some more countries and peoples


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 02:33:47
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:23:56 -0800 (PST), erdega79 <erdega79@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 3, 8:32 pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>> > So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
>> > a stretch?
>>
>> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
>> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
>> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
>> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
>> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
>> International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
>> claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
>> Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
>> Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
>> Tough call.................
>
>what is this thing "International Court" ?
>Who is funding it ? which party adhers to this court and what
>sovereignty does it have?
>As far as I know these courts are founded by jewish bankers like
>George Soros and governments of Britain and America so while you and I
>talk about "International Court" and some meaningless percentages jews
>and their allies have flattened some more countries and peoples


America has rejected the International Court or else they would have
to turn over war criminals like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. The IC is
primarily a European thing.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:52:54
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 5:32=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> > So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
> > a stretch?
>
> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT).

Of course they have, ever since the "Palestinian"-sympathetic
pissants have come into power. Before that there was no argument.

You are just another unreasoning hater who hopes my knowledge of
history is limited to what you are willing to recognize.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:55:22
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:52:54 -0800 (PST), alien8er
<Alien8752@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 3, 5:32 pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>> > So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
>> > a stretch?
>>
>> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
>> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
>> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
>> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
>> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT).
>
> Of course they have, ever since the "Palestinian"-sympathetic
>pissants have come into power. Before that there was no argument.
>
> You are just another unreasoning hater who hopes my knowledge of
>history is limited to what you are willing to recognize.
>
>
> Mark L. Fergerson


are you a jew or a pimp ?


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:49:03
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 5:18=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> alien8er wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 1:05 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 9:48 am, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Jan 2, 11:41 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 3, 7:46 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.c=
om...
> >>>>> On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything =
about
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> >>>>>> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
> >>>>> The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, o=
r
> >>>>> if he commented on them also.
> >>>>> Rodjk #613
> >>>>> He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
> >>>> Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
> >>>> killed four Jews, not one of them children?
> >>> =A0 Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?
> >>>> Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children=
.
> >>> =A0 Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
> >>> neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
> >>> the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
> >>> and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.
> >>> =A0 You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term ha=
d
> >>> any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.
> >> German Nazis held the same views as you and the Jew Nazis espouse.
>
> > =A0 Instead of lumping me in with groups you hate just so you can avoid
> > an actual response, why not tell me exactly what views you mean?
>
> >> You must think that the German Nazis acted just as reasonably then as
> >> the Jew Nazis now.
>
> > =A0 Nope. I told you what I think; that the Islamic Brotherhood, the
> > "Palestinian" governments including such statesmen as Yasser Arafat,
> > and now Hamas are to blame.
>
> > =A0 The "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> > land, (which is why I put their chosen name in quotes) because
> > "Palestinians" included the Jews at the time the Jews were forcibly,
> > and by your definition, illegally evicted.
>
> > =A0 Now that they've been put back where they lived, the problem IS NOT
> > that they don't want to share with Arabs, but that Muslims (NOT the
> > same as Arabs) will not share with them. The Muslims think they now
> > have the right to tax the Jews to live on their own land, and the Jews
> > disagree.
>
> So you mean it is/was their land according to bible

No, I mean that the Romans, anal record-keepers par excellence,
record them as being "indigenous" to the area along with the Arabs and
noting their PEACEFUL CO-EXISTENCE.


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 17:32:27
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:

> So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
> a stretch?

This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
"Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
Tough call.................





  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 01:49:28
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:32:27 -0800 (PST), Wayne <waynetv50@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
>> a stretch?
>
>This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
>earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
>"Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
>land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
>and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
>International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
>claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
>Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
>Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
>Tough call.................
>
>


They have far more claim to it than the jews. i advocate moving israel
to wyoming where dick cheney who loves them so much
can manage them. bernie madoff can even be their secretary of the
treasury and alan greenspam can play the piano along with condomliza
rice.


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 04:06:31
From: TT
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:32:27 -0800 (PST), Wayne <waynetv50@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
>>> a stretch?
>> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
>> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
>> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
>> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
>> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
>> International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
>> claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
>> Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
>> Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
>> Tough call.................
>>
>>
>
>
> They have far more claim to it than the jews. i advocate moving israel
> to wyoming where dick cheney who loves them so much
> can manage them. bernie madoff can even be their secretary of the
> treasury and alan greenspam can play the piano along with condomliza
> rice.

Actually...that's a great idea!

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 17:26:45
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 4 Jan, 00:59, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:

> =A0 The "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> land,

Except no-one actually agrees with you: the International Community
including the UN and the International Court of Justice have
repeatedly referred to the Gaza and W Bank as Occupied Palestinian
Territory - meaning that this land belongs legally and exclusively to
the Palestinians and not Israel - and have reiterated that the
Palestinians have a legal right for statehood and self-determination
on that land. The Palestinians do not have a en exclusive legal claim
to the 78% of Palestine that is now Israel but it is undeniable that
they have both a legal and moral right to the OPT:

Article 163 - ICJ summarizes its Advisory Opinion on the wall Israel
is building in the occupied territories.

163. The Court finds:

(1) that it has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion requested
(unanimously);

(2) decides to comply with the request (14-1);

(3) replies in the following manner (14-1) --

A. The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying
Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around
East Jerusalem, and its associated r=E9gime, are contrary to
international law (14-1);

B. Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of
international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the
works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied
Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to
dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or
render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts
relating thereto, in accordance with paragraph 151 of this Opinion;

C. Israel is under an obligation to make reparation for all damage
caused by the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian
Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem (14-1);

D. All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal
situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to
render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such
construction; all States party to the Fourth Geneva Convention
relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12
August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the
United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by
Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that
Convention (13-2);

http://www.geocities.com/savepalestinenow/miscdocuments/icjadvisoryopinion2=
003/studyguides/icj2003sgicjsummary.htm

UN backs Palestinian state

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1870039.stm

UN encourages two-state solution to Palestinian-Israeli conflict

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/17/content_10515344.htm

New UN resolutions back Palestinian right to a state

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/795347.html



 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 16:59:02
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 1:05=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 3, 9:48=A0am, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jan 2, 11:41=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 3, 7:46=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > > "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.c=
om...
> > > > On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything=
about
> > > > > the
> > > > > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> > > > > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> > > > The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, o=
r
> > > > if he commented on them also.
>
> > > > Rodjk #613
>
> > > > He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
>
> > > Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
> > > killed four Jews, not one of them children?
>
> > =A0 Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?
>
> > > Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.
>
> > =A0 Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
> > neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
> > the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
> > and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.
>
> > =A0 You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term had
> > any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.
>
> German Nazis held the same views as you and the Jew Nazis espouse.

Instead of lumping me in with groups you hate just so you can avoid
an actual response, why not tell me exactly what views you mean?

> You must think that the German Nazis acted just as reasonably then as
> the Jew Nazis now.

Nope. I told you what I think; that the Islamic Brotherhood, the
"Palestinian" governments including such statesmen as Yasser Arafat,
and now Hamas are to blame.

The "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
land, (which is why I put their chosen name in quotes) because
"Palestinians" included the Jews at the time the Jews were forcibly,
and by your definition, illegally evicted.

Now that they've been put back where they lived, the problem IS NOT
that they don't want to share with Arabs, but that Muslims (NOT the
same as Arabs) will not share with them. The Muslims think they now
have the right to tax the Jews to live on their own land, and the Jews
disagree.


Why do you disagree with YOUR OWN LOGIC?


Mark L. Fergerson


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 03:18:11
From: TT
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
alien8er wrote:
> On Jan 3, 1:05 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 9:48 am, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Jan 2, 11:41 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 3, 7:46 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
>>>>>> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>>>>> The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
>>>>> if he commented on them also.
>>>>> Rodjk #613
>>>>> He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
>>>> Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
>>>> killed four Jews, not one of them children?
>>> Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?
>>>> Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.
>>> Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
>>> neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
>>> the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
>>> and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.
>>> You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term had
>>> any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.
>> German Nazis held the same views as you and the Jew Nazis espouse.
>
> Instead of lumping me in with groups you hate just so you can avoid
> an actual response, why not tell me exactly what views you mean?
>
>> You must think that the German Nazis acted just as reasonably then as
>> the Jew Nazis now.
>
> Nope. I told you what I think; that the Islamic Brotherhood, the
> "Palestinian" governments including such statesmen as Yasser Arafat,
> and now Hamas are to blame.
>
> The "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> land, (which is why I put their chosen name in quotes) because
> "Palestinians" included the Jews at the time the Jews were forcibly,
> and by your definition, illegally evicted.
>
> Now that they've been put back where they lived, the problem IS NOT
> that they don't want to share with Arabs, but that Muslims (NOT the
> same as Arabs) will not share with them. The Muslims think they now
> have the right to tax the Jews to live on their own land, and the Jews
> disagree.
>

So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit of
a stretch?


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 04:20:12
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 3 Jan, 06:14, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:

> The Palestinians' own supposed leadership channels fund money into
> weapons rather than pursuits that would actually help their people.

Irrelevant. That still doesn't excuse the blockade of food and
medicinal aid to the Palestinians. This represents collective
punishment towards the entire Gaza population and is illegal under
international law while also clearly being immoral.

> Israel is fully within its rights to strike at those who are
> threatening it and launching missiles at its civilians.

True, but why don't you actually compare what Israel *claims* it is
targetting to what it is actually targetting. Sites bombed which
clearly could not have been involved in firing rockets at Israel
include the justice ministry, the parliament building, a university,
the foreign ministry, the education ministry,the interior
ministry,etc. You can't maintain that Israel's military operation is
only aimed at preventing the launch of rocket attacks when they are
clearly bombing targets that would not prevent such attacks. This is
clearly a war by Israel to try and destroy Hamas, which is why Israel
is destroying state infrastructure and they don't give a damn how many
civillians they kill or how much misery they bring to the Gaza
population in the process.

>It is
> unfortunate that most Hamas HQ/weapons depots are located, whether
> intentionally or not (Gaza is obviously a small and crowded place), in
> heavily civilian regions.

Yeah which is exactly why Israel should avoid bombing unnecessary
targets such as the government infrastructure mentioned above. You
can't drop a one tonne bomb on one of the most densely populated
civillian areas on earth and then claim that you didn't expect
civillian deaths. And again, you can't claim that every target bombed
was aimed at preventing rocket attacks - unless the judges from the
justice ministry were also firing rockets at Israel?

>Calls were placed prior to Palestinian
> civilians ahead of the air-strikes, warning of their intentions.

Oh how very kind of them.......

>It's
> a horrible situation, but a black and white view isn't going to get
> you anywhere. What, you think Israel popped open a bottle of champagne
> when said air strikes were launched?

Well for a start, both sides had been violating the terms of the
ceasefire. Remember, remember the 5th November? This is when Israel
launched a raid into Gaza, very conveniently on the night of the U.S
election, claiming that they were destroying a Hamas smuggling tunnel.
The latest surge in violence from both sides occured *following* the
5th November raid by Israel, which Hamas of course responded to by
firing some rockets. Furthermore, Israel had also violated the
ceasefire terms by failing to lift the blockade on Gaza and only
agreed to a token gesture of a slight increase in aid, and this has
been reported by respected organisations such as Human Rights Watch
and the Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA):

"Israel made a commitment in June to ease some of these restrictions =96
but the movement of goods into Gaza and people in and out the
territory remains a fraction of what it was when borders were last
opened for free trade. October=92s imports represented only 21 percent
of the December 2005 level (13,430 truckloads), that is prior to the
Palestinian Legislative Council elections, and 26 percent of the May
2007 level, immediately before the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip,
according to OCHA. Exports from Gaza are not allowed by your
government."

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/11/20/letter-olmert-stop-blockade-gaza

So, IOW, even when there were no rockets being fired and Hamas was
respecting the terms asked of it by the ceasefire agreement, Israel
*did not* lift the blockade, which was a violation of the agreement.
Hamas wanted to renew the ceasefire once it reached the point of
expiration but only if they got something in return i.e. you lift the
blockade and we will stop firing rockets. However, Israel wanted to
have everything on *its terms*: it wanted Hamas to stop firing the
rockets AND maintain the blockade on food/medicinal aid,etc, which
clearly shows yet again that their goal is to destroy Hamas and that
this goal is secondary to stopping the rockets attacks.

"Zahar said that Hamas is ready to renew the truce =93if Israel respects
the conditions of a cease-fire.=94 The conditions include lifting the
blockade of the Palestinian enclave and stopping military raids on the
besieged territory."

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=3D4§ion=3D0&article=3D117486&d=3D24&m=3D1=
2&y=3D2008

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=3D1111864

Hamas's position before the latest violence and even during it has
remained the same: lift the blockade and the rockets attacks will end.
Hamas also re-iterated this position during the French-proposed 48
hour EU ceasefire proposal which Israel refused. Israel refused
because it wants to keep the blockade on. And as I have already shown,
it has been reported by respected orgs HRW and the OCHA that Israel
DID NOT lift the blockade even when the ceasefire was holding and no
rocket attacks were being fired. So, IOW, the Hamas rocket attacks
have no affect on Israeli policy: the blockade on humanitarian aid,
neither defensible morally or legally,remains.

Hamas accepts EU Gaza truce offer 'under conditions'

"A ceasefire deal must be part of a global agreement including a
ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade and the reopening of all the
border crossings," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/02/2457863.htm

> *yawn* Thanks for your...dozen or so links. That certainly describes
> the situation in full accuracy and nuance.

The links certainly prove that Israel has no morals: how does denying
food and medicinal aid to Palestinains help prevent rocket attacks? If
it seems I'm viewing it in black/white terms, then that's because
Israel is clearly in the wrong on that issue and you are simply trying
to defend that which is indefensible. The truth about how Israel
behaves is unfortunately for you a very bitter pill to swallow. The
bottom line is that Israel did not lift the blockade on humanitarian
aid even during the 6 month period where the ceasefire held:

"Israel made a commitment in June to ease some of these restrictions =96
but the movement of goods into Gaza and people in and out the
territory remains a fraction of what it was when borders were last
opened for free trade. "

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/11/20/letter-olmert-stop-blockade-gaza




 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 03:31:36
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 3 Jan, 02:29, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:

> =A0 When will you rail against Egypt for not permitting anyone to cross
> its border?

For a start, just because Egypt won't open the border crossings, that
doesn't also absolve Israel from doing so. It is Israel who is the
power encircling Gaza and controlling most of the entrance points, the
Rafah crossing with Egypt is the single entry point between Egypt and
Gaza. Egypt won't open the border because Israel doesn't want them to,
claiming they don't want Hamas operating the Gazan side of the
crossing or that Egypt shouldn't open it until a captured Israeli
soldier is returned:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3508980,00.html

Israel and Egypt have been conducting EU-backed negotiations in an
effort to reopen the Rafah crossing on the Egypt-Gaza border. The main
bone of contention is Egypt's insistence that Hamas supervise the
crossing on the Palestinian side, a demand Israel vehemently opposes.

http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=3D158666

Egypt assured Israel on Tuesday that the Rafah border crossing between
the Gaza Strip and Egypt will remain closed until a deal on a captured
Israeli soldier is reached, an Israeli official said.

"We received assurances that Rafah crossing will not open until
(Gilad) Shalit's case is solved," said a senior Israeli official who
took part in the meetings in Sharm el-Sheikh between Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Olmert and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

> =A0 BTW why did you run away from the discussion in
> sci.electronics.design, just because I proved, with YOUR OWN LOGIC
> that the "Palestinians" have no justification for their actions?

I left the thread because it was absurd, and because you a complete
joke and talk nonsense. This you are again doing by claiming that I
said that the Palestinians have justification for their actions, if
you are referring to their rocket attacks, then no, I said no such
thing.



 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 03:15:39
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 3 jan, 11:52, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 3 jan, 07:14, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Palestinians' own supposed leadership channels fund money into
> > weapons;
>
> Funding is key. Both sides are funded through different channels but
> from the same source; Banking cartels / allegiances between the
> central banks of this world. Illegal, unconstitutional, private
> organizations who have been authorized by governments to create and
> lend out money with interest.
>
> Tragic, ongoing wars such as these will not end before these
> institutions are empowered or extinct.

Obviously, I mean before they are *invalidated* or until their power
is deprived.

In short, they should get extinct.


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 02:52:38
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 3 jan, 07:14, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:

> The Palestinians' own supposed leadership channels fund money into
> weapons;

Funding is key. Both sides are funded through different channels but
from the same source; Banking cartels / allegiances between the
central banks of this world. Illegal, unconstitutional, private
organizations who have been authorized by governments to create and
lend out money with interest.

Tragic, ongoing wars such as these will not end before these
institutions are empowered or extinct.

Proponents of war though will lend endless amounts to win their war.
When peace threatens, there will be 'incidents' to reignite the flame.
The most expensive thing for a population is the most lucrative thing
for private central banks; war.

The only winner in the end are the owners of the central banks. They
rule the world.


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 01:05:09
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 9:48=A0am, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 2, 11:41=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 7:46=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com=
...
> > > On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything a=
bout
> > > > the
> > > > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> > > > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> > > The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
> > > if he commented on them also.
>
> > > Rodjk #613
>
> > > He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
>
> > Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
> > killed four Jews, not one of them children?
>
> =A0 Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?
>
> > Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.
>
> =A0 Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
> neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
> the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
> and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.
>
> =A0 You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term had
> any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.

German Nazis held the same views as you and the Jew Nazis espouse.
You must think that the German Nazis acted just as reasonably then as
the Jew Nazis now.
No difference. The German Nazis paid a heavy price and the Jew Nazis
will get their just rewards.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 12:44:29
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:05:09 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 3, 9:48 am, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 11:41 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 3, 7:46 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> > > "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about
>> > > > the
>> > > > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
>> > > > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>>
>> > > The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
>> > > if he commented on them also.
>>
>> > > Rodjk #613
>>
>> > > He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
>>
>> > Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
>> > killed four Jews, not one of them children?
>>
>>   Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?
>>
>> > Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.
>>
>>   Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
>> neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
>> the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
>> and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.
>>
>>   You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term had
>> any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.
>
>German Nazis held the same views as you and the Jew Nazis espouse.
>You must think that the German Nazis acted just as reasonably then as
>the Jew Nazis now.
>No difference. The German Nazis paid a heavy price and the Jew Nazis
>will get their just rewards.


Ariel Sharon invented terrorism you know and Israel is still the best
at it. I suspect they were behind 911 too just as they blitzed the USS
Liberty and tried to make it look like the A-rabs did it. You simply
can't trust a Jew anytime anywhere.


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 00:48:35
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 11:41=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 3, 7:46=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:

> > "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything abo=
ut
> > > the
> > > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> > > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> > The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
> > if he commented on them also.
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> > He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.
>
> Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
> killed four Jews, not one of them children?

Yeah, sure, they're only Jews, right?

> Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.

Nope. The Hamas bastards who sited the rocket launchers in their
neighborhoods murdered them. On the other hand, their parents elected
the Hamas bastards, and beg them to site the launchers there so they
and their children have the opportunity to be martyrs.

You keep going on about "Palestinian civilians" as if the term had
any meaning. It is a classic oxymoron.

> The Jew blockade is murdering thousands more.

What about the Egyptian blockade?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 23:41:12
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 3, 7:46=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about
> > the
> > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
> if he commented on them also.
>
> Rodjk #613
>
> He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.

Why should he mention Jew children when the Palestinian firecrackers
killed four Jews, not one of them children?

Jews murdered over 420 Palestinians, many of them women and children.
The Jew blockade is murdering thousands more.

Brave IDF thug in action Options
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D_41050312_hebronap2.jpg

IDF thug using Palestinian kid as a sand bag Options
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D050517_Human_Shields_in_Dura_Reuter.jpg

IDF thugs ignore yid kids kicking a Palestinian in Hebron Options
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3DYidKidsinHebron.jpg

IDF thugs using another Palestinian kid as a sand bag. Options
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3Dhuman20shield.jpg



  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:06:42
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 4, 4:55=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:52:54 -0800 (PST), alien8er
>
>
>
> <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 3, 5:32=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >> > So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit=
of
> >> > a stretch?
>
> >> This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
> >> earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
> >> "Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> >> land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
> >> and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT).
>
> > =A0Of course they have, ever since the "Palestinian"-sympathetic
> >pissants have come into power. Before that there was no argument.
>
> > =A0You are just another unreasoning hater who hopes my knowledge of
> >history is limited to what you are willing to recognize.
>
> > =A0Mark L. Fergerson
>
> are you a jew or a pimp ?

Are you a Muslim or a Klansman?


Mark L. Fergerson


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 23:52:58
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 4, 2:49=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:32:27 -0800 (PST), Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4 Jan, 01:18, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >> So you mean it is/was their land according to bible...Isn't that bit o=
f
> >> a stretch?
>
> >This guy is a clueless moron. Both the UN and the highest court on
> >earth, the ICJ, completely contradict his claim that "The
> >"Palestinians" DO NOT have an exclusive claim to any of that
> >land", as these institutions always refer to the W Bank, E Jerusalem
> >and Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). So IOW the entire
> >International Community has judged that Palestinians have an exclusive
> >claim to what is 22% of the former British Mandate for Palestine i.e.
> >Gaza and the W Bank. So who do you believe, the entire International
> >Community, or some moronic entity identifying himself as "alien8er"?
> >Tough call.................
>
> They have far more claim to it than the jews. i advocate moving israel
> to wyoming where dick cheney who loves them so much
> can manage them. bernie madoff can even be their secretary of the
> treasury and alan greenspam can play the piano along with condomliza
> rice.-

Give the Jews all of the land of what they claim Greater Israel is.
Move the Palestinians to Saudi Arabia. Move every Jew from every part
of the world, without exception, to greater Israel.
I could be a Zionist if it would get all the Jews away from the rest
of us.


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 22:14:06
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 10:55=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 2 Jan, 18:50, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And only idiots are capable of looking at a situation with such a
> > black / white filter.
>
> Wrong. There can be no justification for denying the Palestinians food
> and medicinal aid. Fan is clearly right. The only thing unique about
> Israel's human rights violations is the constant attempt to justify
> that which is unjustifiable:

The Palestinians' own supposed leadership channels fund money into
weapons rather than pursuits that would actually help their people.
Israel is fully within its rights to strike at those who are
threatening it and launching missiles at its civilians. It is
unfortunate that most Hamas HQ/weapons depots are located, whether
intentionally or not (Gaza is obviously a small and crowded place), in
heavily civilian regions. Calls were placed prior to Palestinian
civilians ahead of the air-strikes, warning of their intentions. It's
a horrible situation, but a black and white view isn't going to get
you anywhere. What, you think Israel popped open a bottle of champagne
when said air strikes were launched?


> Links....

*yawn* Thanks for your...dozen or so links. That certainly describes
the situation in full accuracy and nuance.


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 18:29:58
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 10:55=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 2 Jan, 18:50, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And only idiots are capable of looking at a situation with such a
> > black / white filter.
>
> Wrong. There can be no justification for denying the Palestinians food
> and medicinal aid. Fan is clearly right. The only thing unique about
> Israel's human rights violations is the constant attempt to justify
> that which is unjustifiable:

How does Egypt justify keeping its border closed as well?

> Richard Falk - the UN special rapporteur for human rights in the
> Palestinian territories - said the international community must put
> more pressure on Israel to end its assault.
>
> "Israel is committing a shocking series of atrocities by using modern
> weaponry against a defenceless population - attacking a population
> that has been enduring a severe blockade for many months," Mr Falk
> said in a BBC interview.

When will you rail against Egypt for not permitting anyone to cross
its border?

BTW why did you run away from the discussion in
sci.electronics.design, just because I proved, with YOUR OWN LOGIC
that the "Palestinians" have no justification for their actions?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 10:55:25
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On 2 Jan, 18:50, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:

> And only idiots are capable of looking at a situation with such a
> black / white filter.

Wrong. There can be no justification for denying the Palestinians food
and medicinal aid. Fan is clearly right. The only thing unique about
Israel's human rights violations is the constant attempt to justify
that which is unjustifiable:

Richard Falk - the UN special rapporteur for human rights in the
Palestinian territories - said the international community must put
more pressure on Israel to end its assault.

"Israel is committing a shocking series of atrocities by using modern
weaponry against a defenceless population - attacking a population
that has been enduring a severe blockade for many months," Mr Falk
said in a BBC interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7804218.stm

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/hrwa-m10.shtml

Israel denies entry of medical delegation into Gaza

http://www.imemc.org/article/57346

UN aid convoy denied entry to Gaza as Israel keeps border closed

http://en.rian.ru/world/20081113/118296339.html

Fuel crisis halts Gaza food aid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7364172.stm

Official: Israel prevents 15 medicine-laden trucks into Gaza

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-11/17/content_10368375.htm

Israel/Gaza: Israeli Blockade Unlawful Despite Gaza Border Breach

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/01/25/israelgaza-israeli-blockade-unl...

Gaza: Israeli blockade worsening humanitarian crisis

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17949

Gaza power cut blamed on blockade

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7748676.stm





 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 10:50:24
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 12:17=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 2, 7:43=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about=
the
> > Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> > Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> About 400 Palestinians murdered by Jews, many of them women and
> children.
> Four Jews murdered by Hamas firecrackers, none of them children.
>
> Only racists who put no value on Palestinian life would try to justify
> the mass murder and starving of Palestinians.

And only idiots are capable of looking at a situation with such a
black / white filter.


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 08:48:15
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 12:43=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about t=
he
> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.

The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
if he commented on them also.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 06:46:10
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
"Rodjk #613" <rjkardo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about
> the
> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.

The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
if he commented on them also.

Rodjk #613


He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.



   
Date: 03 Jan 2009 23:03:01
From: TT
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Stapler wrote:
> "Rodjk #613" <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d32a550b-cf4e-4525-b220-e4311324eb2d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 12:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything
>> about the
>> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
>> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.
>
> The article does not say if Nadal was asked about kids in Israel, or
> if he commented on them also.
>
> Rodjk #613
>
>
> He could have mentioned it without being prompted about it.

At the moment during this crisis 4 Israelis have died and 460
Palestinians. And I'm not at all worried about those Israeli children.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 00:17:29
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 7:43=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about t=
he
> Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.

About 400 Palestinians murdered by Jews, many of them women and
children.
Four Jews murdered by Hamas firecrackers, none of them children.

Only racists who put no value on Palestinian life would try to justify
the mass murder and starving of Palestinians.


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 00:07:05
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 2, 6:14=A0am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 1, 5:08=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> > Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> > Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> > Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> > Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> > Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
> > not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
> > his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> > "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> > what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
> > interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> > The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> > professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> > "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> > children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> >http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=3D80118=A7ionid=3D3510211
> > ---
> > WATCH THE ZIONAZI SMEAR CAMPAIGN...
>
> The only comment from Nadal is this:
> "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> I don't know any more than this article, but all that we know Nadal
> said was that the children should be helped.
>
> I don't see that as taking sides in the issue.
> Of course, there may be more which would make his position clear.

It was a mild comment, no doubt, but even that is more than the
silence from the rest against zionazi atrocities against the
Palestinians.
Even his mild comment is sure to bring zionazi death threats against
him and his family.


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 21:14:53
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 1, 5:08=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
> not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
> his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
> interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=3D80118§ionid=3D3510211
> ---
> WATCH THE ZIONAZI SMEAR CAMPAIGN...

The only comment from Nadal is this:
"I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.

I don't know any more than this article, but all that we know Nadal
said was that the children should be helped.

I don't see that as taking sides in the issue.
Of course, there may be more which would make his position clear.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 02 Jan 2009 06:43:11
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Hmmm Nadal is 23? I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about the
Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.



   
Date: 02 Jan 2009 17:14:43
From: TT
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
Stapler wrote:
> Hmmm Nadal is 23?

22

> I didn't know that. Also he didn't say anything about
> the Jewish children getting missles rained on their heads.
> Now it will be VERY easy for me to always root against Nadal.

Yes very bad thing to say from Rafa. Help the children...wtf...


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 12:00:54
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 1, 4:54=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 1, 1:02=A0pm, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 1, 12:08=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> > > Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> > > Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> > > Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> > > Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> > > Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he woul=
d
> > > not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to sho=
w
> > > his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> > > "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> > > what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
> > > interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> > > The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> > > professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> > > "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> > > children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> > Germans voted for Hitler. They had to pay the price thanks to allied
> > bombers.
> > Palestinians voted for Hamas. Now they have to pay the price thanks to
> > IDF bombers.
> > What don't you understand there, "Fan"?
>
> Jews murdered millions for Stalin and paid a price for it thanks to
> the SS.
> Will they ever stop whining and lying about their misfortunes?- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This doesn't even make any sense. I don't think we should be listening
to foreign policy opinions from someone who can't string together an
even mildly coherent sentence.


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 05:15:18
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 1, 2:02=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:54:19 -0800 (PST), Fan
>
>
>
>
>
> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 1, 1:02=A0pm, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> On Jan 1, 12:08=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> >> > Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> >> > Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> >> > Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> >> > Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> >> > Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he wou=
ld
> >> > not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to sh=
ow
> >> > his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> >> > "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> >> > what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in a=
n
> >> > interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> >> > The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> >> > professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> >> > "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> >> > children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> >> Germans voted for Hitler. They had to pay the price thanks to allied
> >> bombers.
> >> Palestinians voted for Hamas. Now they have to pay the price thanks to
> >> IDF bombers.
> >> What don't you understand there, "Fan"?
>
> >Jews murdered millions for Stalin and paid a price for it thanks to
> >the SS.
> >Will they ever stop whining and lying about their misfortunes?
>
> nope

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/cartoons/2008/12/31/gaz=
a380.jpg

As long as you remember that no matter how many Palestinian babies
they murder, they are the victims :-(



 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 04:54:19
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 1, 1:02=A0pm, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de > wrote:
> On Jan 1, 12:08=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> > Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> > Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> > Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> > Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> > Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
> > not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
> > his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> > "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> > what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
> > interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> > The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> > professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> > "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> > children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>
> Germans voted for Hitler. They had to pay the price thanks to allied
> bombers.
> Palestinians voted for Hamas. Now they have to pay the price thanks to
> IDF bombers.
> What don't you understand there, "Fan"?

Jews murdered millions for Stalin and paid a price for it thanks to
the SS.
Will they ever stop whining and lying about their misfortunes?


  
Date: 01 Jan 2009 13:02:33
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:54:19 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 1, 1:02 pm, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 12:08 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
>> > Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>>
>> > Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
>> > Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
>> > Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>>
>> > Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
>> > not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
>> > his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>>
>> > "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
>> > what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
>> > interview with the Fars News Agency.
>>
>> > The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
>> > professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>>
>> > "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
>> > children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.
>>
>> Germans voted for Hitler. They had to pay the price thanks to allied
>> bombers.
>> Palestinians voted for Hamas. Now they have to pay the price thanks to
>> IDF bombers.
>> What don't you understand there, "Fan"?
>
>Jews murdered millions for Stalin and paid a price for it thanks to
>the SS.
>Will they ever stop whining and lying about their misfortunes?


nope


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 04:02:33
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
On Jan 1, 12:08=A0pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Casillas, Nadal condemn Israel crimes
> Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:29:17 GMT
>
> Iker Casillas (L) and Rafael Nadal
> Spanish athletes Iker Casillas and Rafael Nadal have both condemned
> Israeli atrocities against civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
>
> Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas announced Wednesday that he would
> not attend New Year ceremonies in the central square of Madrid to show
> his great sadness over Israel's violent crimes.
>
> "You will find it impossible to join people and laugh after you see
> what is happening in the Gaza Strip," 28-year-old Casillas said in an
> interview with the Fars News Agency.
>
> The heavy assault on Gaza was also denounced by the Spanish
> professional tennis player, Rafael Nadal, on the same day.
>
> "I keep telling myself it is against humanity if you don't help
> children in the Gaza Strip," Nadal, 23, said.

Germans voted for Hitler. They had to pay the price thanks to allied
bombers.
Palestinians voted for Hamas. Now they have to pay the price thanks to
IDF bombers.
What don't you understand there, "Fan"?

Max