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Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:35:30
From: El Dude
Subject: Del Potro is just about the serve


He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:11:39
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On 27 jan, 23:56, GuyTen...@ymail.com wrote:
> On Jan 27, 5:44=A0pm, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If he wins another slam he'll be lucky.
>
> > I don't like reading "if he ever wins a slam he will be lucky"
>
> > I never saw (even while the total clown era of the 90's) anyone
> > winning a slam just because of luck.
> > It's near impossible to win SEVEN matches only with luck.
>
> =A0Manolo you are taking 'lucky' too literally.
> I basically agree with what you are saying.
>
> What I mean simply is that he will be lucky to win just one more slam,
> rather than 5, 6 , 7 or 8. So I was really just saying he *probably
> won't win many slams*.
> Again, you placed too much emphasis on the word 'lucky'.

Is it me?
Or is it you, not taking time to "minimize the range" of luck in your
post?

;-)

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:56:30
From:
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 5:44=A0pm, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > If he wins another slam he'll be lucky.
>
> I don't like reading "if he ever wins a slam he will be lucky"
>
> I never saw (even while the total clown era of the 90's) anyone
> winning a slam just because of luck.
> It's near impossible to win SEVEN matches only with luck.

Manolo you are taking 'lucky' too literally.
I basically agree with what you are saying.

What I mean simply is that he will be lucky to win just one more slam,
rather than 5, 6 , 7 or 8. So I was really just saying he *probably
won't win many slams*.
Again, you placed too much emphasis on the word 'lucky'.





 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:44:00
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On 27 jan, 23:23, GuyTen...@ymail.com wrote:
> On Jan 27, 4:27=A0pm, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I read JMDP post match interview, and he kept saying that he had a bad
> > day.
> > Not a single "journalist" suggested him that Federer simply was
> > unplayable today, like it wasn't obvious enough!
> > Hope his coach will do a good debrieffing.
> > After all, JMDP went to a slam QF; and was part of one of the most
> > "intense" (seed wise) draw seen for a long long time.
>
> > Let the kid time to learn, he'll be back at slam QF, and probably
> > higher.
>
> I don't like to sound harsh about this kid, because I really like his
> game, his style, etc..
>
> But there are some **physical limitations** that players have that
> simply can never be overcome. With Del Potro his curse is his height
> and hence, lack of mobility.
> He will never be able to overcome that.
>
> If he ever wins a slam it will be lucky.
>
> Djoker's physical limitation is his stamina/physical fitness. To some
> degree he can improve on it. But once he's reached his full potential
> (and I believe he already has)
> there is simply nothing he can do about it.
>
> His body wasn't built for best of 5 set matches. And when you have to
> factor in difficult weather conditions *on top of that*, he's
> basically toast.
>
> If he wins another slam he'll be lucky.

I don't like reading "if he ever wins a slam he will be lucky"

I never saw (even while the total clown era of the 90's) anyone
winning a slam just because of luck.
It's near impossible to win SEVEN matches only with luck.
I hate to write this, but even Chang somewhat deserved his FO.
He had to reach the final.
Edberg didn't woke up on time, that's not Chang's luck.
Edberg probably won't have wake up any earlier no matter the opponent.
I hated Chang & adored Edberg, but I won't be proud to lie saying
Chang won FO because he was lucky.
It's the kind of lies that prevents me from sleeping...
For I'd be a liar to myself; and, getting older, it's something I just
can't do anymore.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:23:22
From:
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 4:27=A0pm, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com > wrote:

> I read JMDP post match interview, and he kept saying that he had a bad
> day.
> Not a single "journalist" suggested him that Federer simply was
> unplayable today, like it wasn't obvious enough!
> Hope his coach will do a good debrieffing.
> After all, JMDP went to a slam QF; and was part of one of the most
> "intense" (seed wise) draw seen for a long long time.
>
> Let the kid time to learn, he'll be back at slam QF, and probably
> higher.

I don't like to sound harsh about this kid, because I really like his
game, his style, etc..

But there are some **physical limitations** that players have that
simply can never be overcome. With Del Potro his curse is his height
and hence, lack of mobility.
He will never be able to overcome that.

If he ever wins a slam it will be lucky.

Djoker's physical limitation is his stamina/physical fitness. To some
degree he can improve on it. But once he's reached his full potential
(and I believe he already has)
there is simply nothing he can do about it.

His body wasn't built for best of 5 set matches. And when you have to
factor in difficult weather conditions *on top of that*, he's
basically toast.

If he wins another slam he'll be lucky.









 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:27:31
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On 27 jan, 15:54, Adam Thirnis <adam.thir...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> > soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> > house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.
>
> he's a good player but his serve is not that great. today he lost
> heart once he went a set and a break down. to trouble federer you have
> to have amazing retrieval abilities which del potro doesn't have -
> plus he's vulnerable when the ball keeps low which fed loves to do.

In fact he didn't gave up when a set and a break down.
Federer didn't let him score any point on the opening game of the
second set.
He gave after a set and TWO breaks down.
He had game points on that service game, and came back from 15/40
IIRC, but Federer won it.
From that moment he was out.
I said in post during play, that he felt more concerned at winning one
game to avoid bagel, and I was wrong.
What he needed so much was to hit few winners, to have the crowd
congratulating him.
But he could not, almost not.
He had the crowd react for him only in the third set, when nothing
could be done (not even avoid a second bagel)

Federer was absolutly merciless, I can't blame him, it was simply
amazing to watch.
He think he wanted to have his "mark" on JMDP's mind for good, a
trauma that will last as long as possible.

I read JMDP post match interview, and he kept saying that he had a bad
day.
Not a single "journalist" suggested him that Federer simply was
unplayable today, like it wasn't obvious enough!
Hope his coach will do a good debrieffing.
After all, JMDP went to a slam QF; and was part of one of the most
"intense" (seed wise) draw seen for a long long time.

Let the kid time to learn, he'll be back at slam QF, and probably
higher.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:10:53
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 9:51=A0am, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9a46e13c-1857-4884-b7a6-e077559440c6@r32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 9:35 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> > soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> > house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.
>
> So then why did he play 4 hours tooth and nail with Murray one match
> before Andy took out Rafa at
> last year's USO?
>
> Because Murray has a lousy ROS?
>
>
>
> It was not exactly a great performance from Murray in that match, could h=
ave
> won much more easily.

I remember that Murray and DelPo had had some issues prior to that USO
match.

Then they didn't have any problems during the match and Murray said in
the post-match presser that that all
went out the window because the match was being played at such a high
level and there was
a lot of mutual respect between them for their on-court abilities.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:15:32
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 9:54=A0am, Adam Thirnis <adam.thir...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> > soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> > house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.
>
> he's a good player but his serve is not that great. today he lost
> heart once he went a set and a break down. to trouble federer you have
> to have amazing retrieval abilities which del potro doesn't have -
> plus he's vulnerable when the ball keeps low which fed loves to do.

Yes, someone like Simon would've given Fed a lot tougher match. DelPo
and Simon would
have a dogfight.

It's called match-ups.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:54:30
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.

he's a good player but his serve is not that great. today he lost
heart once he went a set and a break down. to trouble federer you have
to have amazing retrieval abilities which del potro doesn't have -
plus he's vulnerable when the ball keeps low which fed loves to do.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:47:08
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
On Jan 27, 9:35=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.

So then why did he play 4 hours tooth and nail with Murray one match
before Andy took out Rafa at
last year's USO?

Because Murray has a lousy ROS?


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:51:08
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Del Potro is just about the serve
"Jason Catlin" <jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:9a46e13c-1857-4884-b7a6-e077559440c6@r32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 27, 9:35 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> He is the typical mentally weak player with poor groundstrokes that as
> soon as they are broken once in the first set they fall down like a
> house of cards. Take the serve away from that guy and he is mediocre.

So then why did he play 4 hours tooth and nail with Murray one match
before Andy took out Rafa at
last year's USO?

Because Murray has a lousy ROS?


>

It was not exactly a great performance from Murray in that match, could have
won much more easily.