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Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:19:52
From: wkhedr
Subject: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the
I remember he did something weird.




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:51:13
From:
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 10:12=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 4:19=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > I remember he did something weird.
>
> According to his ex-wife, McEnroe was using drugs while playing
> professional tennis. Not everything ex-wives say about their ex-
> husbands is gospel but it would explain a lot. Drugs would explain his
> violent outbursts and irrational conduct. Lendl had a 21-15 edge over
> McEnroe and McEnroe had a hard time dealing with it. He even called
> Lendl a Communist. That was despicable considering that Lendl defected
> from Communist Czechoslovakia. Lendl was not a likable person, his
> game had no flavor to it. He would grind his opponents under without
> much talent but he was no Communist. Shame on McEnroe the dope head
> for calling Lendl a Communist.

I hope this is just one of your typical troll posts and you weren't
actually trying to make sense here.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:12:09
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 4:19=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> I remember he did something weird.

According to his ex-wife, McEnroe was using drugs while playing
professional tennis. Not everything ex-wives say about their ex-
husbands is gospel but it would explain a lot. Drugs would explain his
violent outbursts and irrational conduct. Lendl had a 21-15 edge over
McEnroe and McEnroe had a hard time dealing with it. He even called
Lendl a Communist. That was despicable considering that Lendl defected
from Communist Czechoslovakia. Lendl was not a likable person, his
game had no flavor to it. He would grind his opponents under without
much talent but he was no Communist. Shame on McEnroe the dope head
for calling Lendl a Communist.



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:40:52
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 4:51=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 10:12=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6, 4:19=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > I remember he did something weird.
>
> > According to his ex-wife, McEnroe was using drugs while playing
> > professional tennis. Not everything ex-wives say about their ex-
> > husbands is gospel but it would explain a lot. Drugs would explain his
> > violent outbursts and irrational conduct. Lendl had a 21-15 edge over
> > McEnroe and McEnroe had a hard time dealing with it. He even called
> > Lendl a Communist. That was despicable considering that Lendl defected
> > from Communist Czechoslovakia. Lendl was not a likable person, his
> > game had no flavor to it. He would grind his opponents under without
> > much talent but he was no Communist. Shame on McEnroe the dope head
> > for calling Lendl a Communist.
>
> I hope this is just one of your typical troll posts and you weren't
> actually trying to make sense here.

What is it that you do not like about it, troll?
ATP enacted conduct rules because they had enough of McEnroe's drug
induced tirades.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:01:44
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 4:00=A0pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 8:01=A0am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 1:43=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 04:52:43 -0800 (PST), blueskates1...@aol.com wrote=
:
> > > >On Feb 6, 7:21=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
>
> > > >> <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >On Feb 6, 11:33=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> > > >> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja=
.com >
> > > >> >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >I remember he did something weird.
>
> > > >> >> he was his normal jerk self.
>
> > > >> >i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>
> > > >> >but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
> > > >> >usually pretty good.
>
> > > >> i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as we=
ll
> > > >> but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
> > > >> notwithstanding his great tennis.
>
> > > >> of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
> > > >> Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don'=
t
> > > >> seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.
>
> > > >> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their wo=
rst
> > > >> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>
> > > >> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
> > > >> guess overall bad for the game.
>
> > > >Yeah, OK "Dave" ....
>
> > > >Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
> > > >majors than he would have.
>
> > > No question about that. IMHO Borg is the real goat. I saw him play
> > > many times and he was a "monster". I believe that with todays
> > > equipment and surfaces nobody but nobody would ever beat him and
> > > especially McEnroe at (a slowed down) Wimbledon.
>
> > > People here make fun of him for "quitting" and saying McEnroe was the
> > > cause but nothing could be further from the truth. It was love that
> > > devastated him, not tennis.
>
> > borg was the most boring shit ever, nearly as boring as lendl.- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> what would be a height of torture for a sports fan?
> =A0- having to watch Borg v Lendl matches from the French Open.

having to listen to their post-match interviews over and over??


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:00:01
From:
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 8:01=A0am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 1:43=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 04:52:43 -0800 (PST), blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> > >On Feb 6, 7:21=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
>
> > >> <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Feb 6, 11:33=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> > >> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.c=
om >
> > >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >I remember he did something weird.
>
> > >> >> he was his normal jerk self.
>
> > >> >i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>
> > >> >but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
> > >> >usually pretty good.
>
> > >> i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as well
> > >> but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
> > >> notwithstanding his great tennis.
>
> > >> of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
> > >> Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don't
> > >> seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.
>
> > >> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their wors=
t
> > >> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>
> > >> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
> > >> guess overall bad for the game.
>
> > >Yeah, OK "Dave" ....
>
> > >Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
> > >majors than he would have.
>
> > No question about that. IMHO Borg is the real goat. I saw him play
> > many times and he was a "monster". I believe that with todays
> > equipment and surfaces nobody but nobody would ever beat him and
> > especially McEnroe at (a slowed down) Wimbledon.
>
> > People here make fun of him for "quitting" and saying McEnroe was the
> > cause but nothing could be further from the truth. It was love that
> > devastated him, not tennis.
>
> borg was the most boring shit ever, nearly as boring as lendl.- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

what would be a height of torture for a sports fan?
- having to watch Borg v Lendl matches from the French Open.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:19:42
From:
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 7:52=A0am, blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:

> Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
> majors than he would have.

Much more a gift for Connors than McEnroe. Mac and Borg combined kept
Connors from winning any majors between 1979-1981. When Borg retired,
Connors won 3 slams in 1982-1983.

McEnroe had established a clear edge over Borg by the time Borg
retired, causing some to speculate that this was the cause of his
departure. This was an oversimplification, but what would Borg have
kept McEnroe from winning? Mac never won a French regardless, and Borg
never won a USO, so he was no giant threat there. Things were going
McEnroe's way in the rivalry, and by 1983-84, Mac was in peak form,
and it's unlikely that Borg would have had many (if any) big wins over
him.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:01:23
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 1:43=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 04:52:43 -0800 (PST), blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> >On Feb 6, 7:21=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
>
> >> <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 6, 11:33=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com=
>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >I remember he did something weird.
>
> >> >> he was his normal jerk self.
>
> >> >i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>
> >> >but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
> >> >usually pretty good.
>
> >> i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as well
> >> but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
> >> notwithstanding his great tennis.
>
> >> of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
> >> Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don't
> >> seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.
>
> >> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their worst
> >> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>
> >> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
> >> guess overall bad for the game.
>
> >Yeah, OK "Dave" ....
>
> >Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
> >majors than he would have.
>
> No question about that. IMHO Borg is the real goat. I saw him play
> many times and he was a "monster". I believe that with todays
> equipment and surfaces nobody but nobody would ever beat him and
> especially McEnroe at (a slowed down) Wimbledon.
>
> People here make fun of him for "quitting" and saying McEnroe was the
> cause but nothing could be further from the truth. It was love that
> devastated him, not tennis.

borg was the most boring shit ever, nearly as boring as lendl.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 04:52:43
From:
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 7:21=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
>
> <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 6, 11:33=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >I remember he did something weird.
>
> >> he was his normal jerk self.
>
> >i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>
> >but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
> >usually pretty good.
>
> i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as well
> but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
> notwithstanding his great tennis.
>
> of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
> Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don't
> seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.
>
> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their worst
> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>
> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
> guess overall bad for the game.

Yeah, OK "Dave" ....

Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
majors than he would have.



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 13:43:47
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the French open?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 04:52:43 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:

>On Feb 6, 7:21 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
>>
>> <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 6, 11:33 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >I remember he did something weird.
>>
>> >> he was his normal jerk self.
>>
>> >i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>>
>> >but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
>> >usually pretty good.
>>
>> i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as well
>> but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
>> notwithstanding his great tennis.
>>
>> of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
>> Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don't
>> seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.
>>
>> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their worst
>> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>>
>> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
>> guess overall bad for the game.
>
>Yeah, OK "Dave" ....
>
>Also, Borg's departure was a gift for McEnroe, enabling to win more
>majors than he would have.


No question about that. IMHO Borg is the real goat. I saw him play
many times and he was a "monster". I believe that with todays
equipment and surfaces nobody but nobody would ever beat him and
especially McEnroe at (a slowed down) Wimbledon.

People here make fun of him for "quitting" and saying McEnroe was the
cause but nothing could be further from the truth. It was love that
devastated him, not tennis.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 03:55:33
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 6, 11:33=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I remember he did something weird.
>
> he was his normal jerk self.

i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...

but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
usually pretty good.


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 12:21:35
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the French open?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:55:33 -0800 (PST), Professor X
<suebokaian@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 6, 11:33 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I remember he did something weird.
>>
>> he was his normal jerk self.
>
>i actually like mcenroe... Sure he has a big ego...
>
>but he's pretty funny... and his insight in the commentary box is
>usually pretty good.

i like him as a commentator too and enjoy his sense of humor as well
but on the court while he was playing he was a real "jerk"
notwithstanding his great tennis.

of course that era was the "jerk" era too. we had lots of them.
Nastase comes to mind first. Connors too and a few others. we don't
seem to have anyone today quite like any of those guys.

Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their worst
they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.

don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
guess overall bad for the game.


   
Date: 07 Feb 2009 16:28:33
From:
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the Fre
In article <0baoo45hu7p9vnef1fsn7q7mpma5fjblq2@4ax.com >,
the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com (Superdave) wrote:

>
> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their
> worst
> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>
> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
> guess overall bad for the game.

Was it? That was when tennis had its biggest audience. I think people
enjoyed not knowing what the players might do and seeing the old gentility
exploded.

wg



    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 19:42:28
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the Fre
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:28:33 -0600, wendyg wrote:

> In article <0baoo45hu7p9vnef1fsn7q7mpma5fjblq2@4ax.com>,
> the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com (Superdave) wrote:
>
>> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their
>> worst they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>>
>> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i guess
>> overall bad for the game.
>
> Was it? That was when tennis had its biggest audience. I think people
> enjoyed not knowing what the players might do and seeing the old
> gentility exploded.

Well, Amurrika had two top men's players actually taking a Slam now and
then . . . .

But going by _Short Circuit_, the other players didn't appreciate
McEnroe's constant tantrums and Jimmy Connors' (sometimes obscene)
histrionics at all.

And that was an era too when the tourneys had complete power over the
chairs (right down to making the chairs wear tournament-sponsor outfits),
so the chairs were pretty much defenseless against "crowd-draws"-- I don't
know how, exactly, that sitch has changed, but it does seem to have, for
the better.

Nastase seems to've reserved most of his bile for reporters, didn't he?

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



    
Date: 08 Feb 2009 00:09:23
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the Fre
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:28:33 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article <0baoo45hu7p9vnef1fsn7q7mpma5fjblq2@4ax.com>,
>the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com (Superdave) wrote:
>
>>
>> Roddick maybe is a mild case now and then or Safin but at their
>> worst
>> they are still only 10% of the jerk a mcenroe or a nastase were.
>>
>> don't know if that's good or bad. it was "amusing" for sure but i
>> guess overall bad for the game.
>
>Was it? That was when tennis had its biggest audience. I think people
>enjoyed not knowing what the players might do and seeing the old gentility
>exploded.
>
>wg


yes. of course you are right. we all loved it. but if it had become
"standard" in the long run it would have trivialized the sport and the
audience loss even greater imho or would have morphed into a
hollywood production like professional wrestling where the greatest
stars put on the best act whether they can play tennis or not.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 11:33:23
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in the French open?
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:19:52 -0800 (PST), wkhedr <wkhedr@my-deja.com >
wrote:

>I remember he did something weird.


he was his normal jerk self.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:38:16
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Didn't Mcenroe run away refusing to talk after losing to Lendl in
On Feb 5, 9:19=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> I remember he did something weird.

yes, he didnt come in for the trophy presentation. And Lendl just said
thank you and went away. It was bizarre.