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Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:43:58
From: MBDunc
Subject: Djoko vs Bagman - Match
Some observations:

Djoko's baseline game is just rock solid and he has that unique
ability to seemingly effortlessly hit very flat scrorcher with his FH.
Even with Bagman's undeniably footspeed he several times could not do
anything but smile.

Also Djoko's defence is remarkable. He not only gets "already lost"
ball back but can hit it back with interest from very ackwark
positions.

I think Djoko was a bit lazy with his serving in this match. May be he
saved energy or was just confident and wanted striking practise?

Bagman really has talent. He has very good shot selection ability,
fine footwork and very good shots. But against Djoko he could match
him only occasionally if he run with all cylinders (3rd set tie-break)
but in "normal" mode Djoko was a notch better (or efficient) in every
gategory except serving.

For Bagman's game (flat shots) this surface was definitely too slow
and for Djoko perhaps the most optimum.

The match was played in very good spirit and offered some great
shotmaking and top-notch power rallies where both players tested each
others' FH with hitting the crap out of ball.

Even one fine volley contest (both hit 2-3 shots at the net) was
included.

Djoko used dropshot to keep Bagman out of the rhythm successfully but
overdid it briefly at 3rd set...and may be lost the set because that.

.mikko




 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 11:51:48
From: grif
Subject: Re: Djoko vs Bagman - Match

"MBDunc" <michaelb@mail.suomi.net > wrote in message
news:09db5249-d5f1-4902-bb82-778ccf9616af@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> Some observations:
>
> Djoko's baseline game is just rock solid and he has that unique
> ability to seemingly effortlessly hit very flat scrorcher with his FH.
> Even with Bagman's undeniably footspeed he several times could not do
> anything but smile.
>
> Also Djoko's defence is remarkable. He not only gets "already lost"
> ball back but can hit it back with interest from very ackwark
> positions.
>
> I think Djoko was a bit lazy with his serving in this match. May be he
> saved energy or was just confident and wanted striking practise?
>
> Bagman really has talent. He has very good shot selection ability,
> fine footwork and very good shots. But against Djoko he could match
> him only occasionally if he run with all cylinders (3rd set tie-break)
> but in "normal" mode Djoko was a notch better (or efficient) in every
> gategory except serving.
>
> For Bagman's game (flat shots) this surface was definitely too slow
> and for Djoko perhaps the most optimum.
>
> The match was played in very good spirit and offered some great
> shotmaking and top-notch power rallies where both players tested each
> others' FH with hitting the crap out of ball.
>
> Even one fine volley contest (both hit 2-3 shots at the net) was
> included.
>
> Djoko used dropshot to keep Bagman out of the rhythm successfully but
> overdid it briefly at 3rd set...and may be lost the set because that.
>
> .mikko

It was an entertaining match. It had good rallies mixed with errors that
were actually forced, because the pace and flatness of a lot of the shots
were too just much too handle for the receiver for both players. From what
I've seen of Djoker in the tune ups and here so far (especially in Delic
match), he seems to be having problems with his range. He's hitting the ball
shorter than normal, as though he still doesn't trust the control/range of
his new racquet yet. Basically, he looks vulnerable.

Marcos is not a bad player in reality. He's the type that can can just
suddenly inject pace and hit winners out of nowhere form both wings.
Consistency is Baggy's main problem.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 14:54:10
From:
Subject: Re: Djoko vs Bagman - Match
"grif" <griffin_230@hotmail.com > writes:

> "MBDunc" <michaelb@mail.suomi.net> wrote in message
> news:09db5249-d5f1-4902-bb82-778ccf9616af@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> Some observations:
>>
>> Djoko's baseline game is just rock solid and he has that unique
>> ability to seemingly effortlessly hit very flat scrorcher with his FH.
>> Even with Bagman's undeniably footspeed he several times could not do
>> anything but smile.
>>
>> Also Djoko's defence is remarkable. He not only gets "already lost"
>> ball back but can hit it back with interest from very ackwark
>> positions.
>>
>> I think Djoko was a bit lazy with his serving in this match. May be he
>> saved energy or was just confident and wanted striking practise?
>>
>> Bagman really has talent. He has very good shot selection ability,
>> fine footwork and very good shots. But against Djoko he could match
>> him only occasionally if he run with all cylinders (3rd set tie-break)
>> but in "normal" mode Djoko was a notch better (or efficient) in every
>> gategory except serving.
>>
>> For Bagman's game (flat shots) this surface was definitely too slow
>> and for Djoko perhaps the most optimum.
>>
>> The match was played in very good spirit and offered some great
>> shotmaking and top-notch power rallies where both players tested each
>> others' FH with hitting the crap out of ball.
>>
>> Even one fine volley contest (both hit 2-3 shots at the net) was
>> included.
>>
>> Djoko used dropshot to keep Bagman out of the rhythm successfully but
>> overdid it briefly at 3rd set...and may be lost the set because that.
>>
>> .mikko
>
> It was an entertaining match. It had good rallies mixed with errors
> that were actually forced, because the pace and flatness of a lot of
> the shots were too just much too handle for the receiver for both
> players. From what I've seen of Djoker in the tune ups and here so far
> (especially in Delic match), he seems to be having problems with his
> range. He's hitting the ball shorter than normal, as though he still
> doesn't trust the control/range of his new racquet yet. Basically, he
> looks vulnerable.

I saw only the last set and this was my impression also. A lot of
Djok's shots landed short, service lineish. A tired, possibly match
rusty Baghdatis was hitting his groundies with 2m margins and never
looked like taking advantage of any of it.

Djok also gave a lot of openings in his service games. He lost the first
point in, I think, every service game in the 4th, had several 15-30
situations and a couple of BPs against him. Yet won the set 6-2, which
looks convincing ...

>
> Marcos is not a bad player in reality. He's the type that can can just
> suddenly inject pace and hit winners out of nowhere form both
> wings. Consistency is Baggy's main problem.

He looked very tired in the end.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:17:38
From: grif
Subject: Re: Djoko vs Bagman - Match

<pok@me.not.invalid > wrote in message
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> "grif" <griffin_230@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> It was an entertaining match. It had good rallies mixed with errors
>> that were actually forced, because the pace and flatness of a lot of
>> the shots were just too much to handle for the receiver for both
>> players. From what I've seen of Djoker in the tune ups and here so far
>> (especially in Delic match), he seems to be having problems with his
>> range. He's hitting the ball shorter than normal, as though he still
>> doesn't trust the control/range of his new racquet yet. Basically, he
>> looks vulnerable.
>
> I saw only the last set and this was my impression also. A lot of
> Djok's shots landed short, service lineish. A tired, possibly match
> rusty Baghdatis was hitting his groundies with 2m margins and never
> looked like taking advantage of any of it.
>
> Djok also gave a lot of openings in his service games. He lost the first
> point in, I think, every service game in the 4th, had several 15-30
> situations and a couple of BPs against him. Yet won the set 6-2, which
> looks convincing ...
>
>>

Yeah, those are the main problems I've noticed since Djoko's been using the
new racquet. He seems less confident of the depth/range of his shots and his
serve also doesn't seem as accurate.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 23:03:51
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Djoko vs Bagman - Match
On Jan 26, 1:43=A0am, MBDunc <micha...@mail.suomi.net > wrote:
> Some observations:
>
> Djoko's baseline game is just rock solid and he has that unique
> ability to seemingly effortlessly hit very flat scrorcher with his FH.
> Even with Bagman's undeniably footspeed he several times could not do
> anything but smile.
>
> Also Djoko's defence is remarkable. He not only gets "already lost"
> ball back but can hit it back with interest from very ackwark
> positions.
>
> I think Djoko was a bit lazy with his serving in this match. May be he
> saved energy or was just confident and wanted striking practise?
>
> Bagman really has talent. He has very good shot selection ability,
> fine footwork and very good shots. But against Djoko he could match
> him only occasionally if he run with all cylinders (3rd set tie-break)
> but in "normal" mode Djoko was a notch better (or efficient) in every
> gategory except serving.
>
> For Bagman's game (flat shots) this surface was definitely too slow
> and for Djoko perhaps the most optimum.
>
> The match was played in very good spirit and offered some great
> shotmaking and top-notch power rallies where both players tested each
> others' FH with hitting the crap out of ball.
>
> Even one fine volley contest (both hit 2-3 shots at the net) was
> included.
>
> Djoko used dropshot to keep Bagman out of the rhythm successfully but
> overdid it briefly at 3rd set...and may be lost the set because that.
>
> .mikko

I was positivelly encouraged by Novak's performance in this match, he
was very solid but I feel he could still improve some more. Also bear
in mind this match was played well after midnight.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:51:02
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Djoko vs Bagman - Match
On Jan 26, 12:43=A0am, MBDunc <micha...@mail.suomi.net > wrote:
> Some observations:
>
> Djoko's baseline game is just rock solid and he has that unique
> ability to seemingly effortlessly hit very flat scrorcher with his FH.
> Even with Bagman's undeniably footspeed he several times could not do
> anything but smile.
>
> Also Djoko's defence is remarkable. He not only gets "already lost"
> ball back but can hit it back with interest from very ackwark
> positions.
>
> I think Djoko was a bit lazy with his serving in this match. May be he
> saved energy or was just confident and wanted striking practise?
>
> Bagman really has talent. He has very good shot selection ability,
> fine footwork and very good shots. But against Djoko he could match
> him only occasionally if he run with all cylinders (3rd set tie-break)
> but in "normal" mode Djoko was a notch better (or efficient) in every
> gategory except serving.
>
> For Bagman's game (flat shots) this surface was definitely too slow
> and for Djoko perhaps the most optimum.
>
> The match was played in very good spirit and offered some great
> shotmaking and top-notch power rallies where both players tested each
> others' FH with hitting the crap out of ball.
>
> Even one fine volley contest (both hit 2-3 shots at the net) was
> included.
>
> Djoko used dropshot to keep Bagman out of the rhythm successfully but
> overdid it briefly at 3rd set...and may be lost the set because that.
>
> .mikko

good post. Djoko is playing better than most are giving him credit
for...