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Date: 02 Feb 2009 06:49:33
From: roger5
Subject: Drugs ?
Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,

"something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
to the match."

Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---

1) From CINDY:

There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
than 48 rest?

Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim he=92=
s
all natural. What a crock!!!!

2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we laugh
because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
American base ball heros.

Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
tired.

Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!

3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No real
routing interest in either of them.

I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
enhance endurance.

Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!

4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
sports whether we want to accept it or not.

Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world that
this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government,
the wiser the population=94




Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php




 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 08:50:08
From: Fan
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was:
On Feb 8, 5:43=A0pm, jingus <jin...@mindspring.com > wrote:
> Stapler wrote:
>
> > In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball,
> > then stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and
> > time again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural
> > ability, but who knows?
>
> =A0>
>
> notwithstanding any speculations on the role of natural ability, to pull
> off shots like nadal does, you have to have the strength to do it.

It is not just Nadal. Verdasco was just as impressive. There are many
more who are just as physical as Nadal but not as good in tennis.
Anyone who a done real competitive sport knows that with intensive
training you can accomplish unbelievable things. Hard to explain it to
never-done-anything types.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 02:30:48
From: Fan
Subject: Federer would be ashamed if he knew that he had fans like these - Re:
On Feb 8, 11:03=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Superdave" <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:405to4d07nqtvasu03mnpvjk1n5158kibo@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > they will get Rafa sooner or later and then Roger will get all his
> > credibility back.
>
> > even if they don't take Rafa's slams away those *asterisks* beside his
> > name with Roger as the finalist will be enough for all to know that
> > they should add another 6 slams to Roger's total to get the real
> > result.
>
> In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball, th=
en
> stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and time
> again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural ability, b=
ut
> who knows?

They test them all the time and there is absolutely no evidence of
Nadal taking drugs. This speculation shows just how desperate
Federer's fans are. They lost all confidence in Federer and their only
hope is to find something on Nadal.
Federer, a fantastic tennis player and a great human being, would be
ashamed if he knew that he had fans like these.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 01:25:39
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 3:49=A0pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,

The burden of proof is always on the accuser unless the accuser is a
spineless coward who makes his accusations without backing them up
with evidence.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:33:41
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 4, 1:22=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Rodjk #613 wrote:
> >>> anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
> >>> meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
> >> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>
> >> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
> >> clueless. =A0In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. =A0If he
> >> walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat he=
ads.
>
> > Did Korda look like a steroid user?
>
> > (Just for the record, I don't think Nadal uses steroids. Just pointing
> > out the idiocy of whispys argument. Whisper, if you are going to
> > troll, try a bit harder than this, ok?)
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> Somebody started this by suggesting Rafa uses roids - same thing
> happened when Henin beat up on starfucker faves. =A0The suggestion was Fe=
d
> couldn't be on roids himself based on visual physical form. =A0I suggeste=
d
> Mac & now you back it up by saying Korda - yet Fedfuckers still won't
> apologize/backdown. =A0What gives with that?

Possibly your many years of trolling prevent anyone from ever taking
you seriously?

Rodjk #613


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:30:25
From: roger5
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 4, 8:21=A0am, reg <a...@b.c > wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:43:56 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 2, 10:09=A0pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 3, 7:24=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >> > > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> >> > > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending=
the
> >> > > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans=
this
> >> > > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general =
due
> >> > > to the match."
>
> >> > > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues=
for
> >> > > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >> > > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> >> > > 1) From CINDY:
>
> >> > > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a da=
isy
> >> > > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >> > > than 48 rest?
>
> >> > > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >> > > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >> > > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but t=
hey
> >> > > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of thos=
e
> >> > > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the=
ATP
> >> > > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket selle=
r.
> >> > > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Ame=
rican
> >> > > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhan=
cing
> >> > > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> >> > > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and cl=
aim he=92s
> >> > > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> >> > > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym=
we laugh
> >> > > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> >> > > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the belov=
ed
> >> > > American base ball heros.
>
> >> > > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >> > > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work =
he
> >> > > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray=
,
> >> > > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> >> > > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they stil=
l get
> >> > > tired.
>
> >> > > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of=
his
> >> > > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> >> > > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. =
No real
> >> > > routing interest in either of them.
>
> >> > > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhan=
cing
> >> > > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to =
be
> >> > > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature =
of his
> >> > > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> >> > > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would he=
lp
> >> > > enhance endurance.
>
> >> > > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the b=
ody.
> >> > > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of =
5
> >> > > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t=
use
> >> > > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> >> > > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at=
it.
> >> > > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> >> > > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >> > > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The=
more
> >> > > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> >> > > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break wil=
l do
> >> > > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >> > > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >> > > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >> > > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe=
it
> >> > > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> >> > > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality i=
n
> >> > > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> >> > > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >> > > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports wo=
rld that
> >> > > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the gover=
nment,
> >> > > the wiser the population=94
>
> >> > > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It =
is
> >> > > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow play=
ers,
> >> > > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated bef=
ore
> >> > > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nad=
al.
> >> > > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> >> > > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think=
? If
> >> > > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >> > >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> >> > i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal =
is
> >> > fresh as a daisy. =A0there's no signs that he had a really tough mat=
ch
> >> > the night before. =A0he's making insane gets.
>
> >> I know.
> >> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
> >> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
> >> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
> >> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
> >> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
> >> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
> >> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
> >> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
> >> exhausted. But...............-
>
> >not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
> >explosive speed in the final. =A0Judging from Erich's highlights (i
> >didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
> >the first set by making those unbelievable gets.
>
> >but it couldn't be steroids, could it.
>
> It also suggests a possible strategic motive for Uncle Toni's strange
> comments. By taking away credit from Rafa and give it to Fed - even
> claiming that Fed is still the better player contrary to all evidence
> - it's like a tacit confession of guilt designed to forstall the
> possibility of having to make an overt one. Who would be so crass as
> to accuse one so gracious?

Could be a possibility. I wonder since he thinks Federer is the better
player relative to Nadal on all surfaces, what is the reason he gives
behind Nadal winning the majority of their encounters?


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 22:51:36
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
roger5 wrote:
> On Feb 4, 8:21 am, reg <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:43:56 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 10:09 pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 3, 7:24 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>>>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>>>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>>>>> to the match."
>>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>>>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>>>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>>>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>>>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>>>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>>>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>>>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>>>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>>>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>>>>> American base ball heros.
>>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>>>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>>>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>>>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>>>>> tired.
>>>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>>>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>>>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>>>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>>>>> enhance endurance.
>>>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>>>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>>>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>>>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>>>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>>>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>>>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>>>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>>>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>>>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>>>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>>>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>>>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>>>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>>>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>>>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>>>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>>>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>>>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>>>> i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
>>>>> fresh as a daisy. there's no signs that he had a really tough match
>>>>> the night before. he's making insane gets.
>>>> I know.
>>>> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
>>>> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
>>>> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
>>>> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
>>>> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
>>>> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
>>>> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
>>>> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
>>>> exhausted. But...............-
>>> not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
>>> explosive speed in the final. Judging from Erich's highlights (i
>>> didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
>>> the first set by making those unbelievable gets.
>>> but it couldn't be steroids, could it.
>> It also suggests a possible strategic motive for Uncle Toni's strange
>> comments. By taking away credit from Rafa and give it to Fed - even
>> claiming that Fed is still the better player contrary to all evidence
>> - it's like a tacit confession of guilt designed to forstall the
>> possibility of having to make an overt one. Who would be so crass as
>> to accuse one so gracious?
>
> Could be a possibility. I wonder since he thinks Federer is the better
> player relative to Nadal on all surfaces, what is the reason he gives
> behind Nadal winning the majority of their encounters?


Don't be dumb. He's doing it to take pressure off Rafa - & at any rate
Fed is still the greater player given their records.



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 19:34:32
From:
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 8:12=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:09=A0pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
> > was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
> > tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
> > there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
> > think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
> > Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
> > Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
> > tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
> > exhausted. But...............
>
> I didn't - two night's sleep is more than enough for someone as fit as
> Rafa to recover. Plus, remember it was a night match in cooler
> conditions. I knew that the semi would have negligible effect...

Nadal himself said afterward that he was "very, very tired" during the
match. He also said he ended the the match against Verdasco "with the
right leg, the quadriceps and hamstring very tight."

"In the third set it started to (hurt)... I wasn't cramping but it was
scary," is what he said about the midway point of the Fed match.

There's no way you can *know* that that Verdasco match wouldn't affect
him. In fact, Rafa's just lucky it didn't affect him just a bit more
or he would have lost for sure.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:16:05
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 4, 5:47=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Feb 3, 8:25 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> Scott wrote:
> >>> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> wkhedr wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
> >>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
> >>>>>> the players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed =
fans
> >>>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
> >>>>>> general due to the match."
> >>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
> >>>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
> >>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
> >>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a da=
isy
> >>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >>>>>> than 48 rest?
> >>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >>>>>> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but t=
hey
> >>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of thos=
e
> >>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
> >>>>>> ATP doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
> >>>>>> seller. Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
> >>>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
> >>>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>>>> can carefully plan Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the
> >>>>>> public=92s nose and claim he=92s all natural. What a crock!!!!
> >>>>>> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym=
we
> >>>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
> >>>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
> >>>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
> >>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
> >>>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
> >>>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
> >>>>>> styles of hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and
> >>>>>> they still get tired.
> >>>>>> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of=
his
> >>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
> >>>>>> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. =
No
> >>>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
> >>>>>> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
> >>>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
> >>>>>> happens to be one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. Th=
e
> >>>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
> >>>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
> >>>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
> >>>>>> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
> >>>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
> >>>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
> >>>>>> Players don=92t use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
> >>>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
> >>>>>> order in for the French!
> >>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The
> >>>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system=
in
> >>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break wil=
l
> >>>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >>>>>> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
> >>>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
> >>>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reali=
ty
> >>>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
> >>>>>> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >>>>>> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports wo=
rld
> >>>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the
> >>>>>> government, the wiser the population=94
> >>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
> >>>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
> >>>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
> >>>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
> >>>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
> >>>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
> >>>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
> >>>>>> go to the following link:
> >>>>>>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
> >>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
> >>>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
> >>>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
> >>>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
> >>> what a stupid, trolling comment.
> >> Because of?-
>
> > anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
> > meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>
> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>
> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
> clueless. =A0In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. =A0If he
> walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads=
.

Did Korda look like a steroid user?

(Just for the record, I don't think Nadal uses steroids. Just pointing
out the idiocy of whispys argument. Whisper, if you are going to
troll, try a bit harder than this, ok?)

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 06:22:26
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Rodjk #613 wrote:
>>> anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
>>> meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>>
>> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
>> clueless. In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. If he
>> walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads.
>
> Did Korda look like a steroid user?
>
> (Just for the record, I don't think Nadal uses steroids. Just pointing
> out the idiocy of whispys argument. Whisper, if you are going to
> troll, try a bit harder than this, ok?)
>
> Rodjk #613


Somebody started this by suggesting Rafa uses roids - same thing
happened when Henin beat up on starfucker faves. The suggestion was Fed
couldn't be on roids himself based on visual physical form. I suggested
Mac & now you back it up by saying Korda - yet Fedfuckers still won't
apologize/backdown. What gives with that?


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:11:19
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 7:24=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:08=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > wkhedr wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > >> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > >> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending t=
he
> > >> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans t=
his
> > >> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general du=
e
> > >> to the match."
>
> > >> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues f=
or
> > >> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > >> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > >> 1) From CINDY:
>
> > >> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a dais=
y
> > >> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > >> than 48 rest?
>
> > >> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > >> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > >> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but the=
y
> > >> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > >> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the A=
TP
> > >> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > >> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Ameri=
can
> > >> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhanci=
ng
> > >> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > >> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and clai=
m he=92s
> > >> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > >> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym w=
e laugh
> > >> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > >> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > >> American base ball heros.
>
> > >> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > >> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > >> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > >> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > >> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still =
get
> > >> tired.
>
> > >> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of h=
is
> > >> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > >> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No=
real
> > >> routing interest in either of them.
>
> > >> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhanci=
ng
> > >> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > >> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of=
his
> > >> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > >> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > >> enhance endurance.
>
> > >> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the bod=
y.
> > >> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > >> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t u=
se
> > >> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > >> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at i=
t.
> > >> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > >> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > >> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The m=
ore
> > >> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > >> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will =
do
> > >> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > >> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > >> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > >> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe i=
t
> > >> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > >> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > >> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > >> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > >> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports worl=
d that
> > >> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governm=
ent,
> > >> the wiser the population=94
>
> > >> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > >> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow player=
s,
> > >> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated befor=
e
> > >> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal=
.
> > >> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > >> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? =
If
> > >> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> > >>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> > > I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> > > will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>
> > I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for tennis
> > if he is a roid monkey.-
>
> what a stupid, trolling comment.

Trolling comment?
From Whisper...

What else would you expect?

Rodjk #613


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 04:19:07
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 4, 6:47=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Feb 3, 8:25 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> Scott wrote:
> >>> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> wkhedr wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
> >>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
> >>>>>> the players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed =
fans
> >>>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
> >>>>>> general due to the match."
> >>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
> >>>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
> >>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
> >>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a da=
isy
> >>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >>>>>> than 48 rest?
> >>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >>>>>> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but t=
hey
> >>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of thos=
e
> >>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
> >>>>>> ATP doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
> >>>>>> seller. Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
> >>>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
> >>>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>>>> can carefully plan Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the
> >>>>>> public=92s nose and claim he=92s all natural. What a crock!!!!
> >>>>>> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym=
we
> >>>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
> >>>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
> >>>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
> >>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
> >>>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
> >>>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
> >>>>>> styles of hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and
> >>>>>> they still get tired.
> >>>>>> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of=
his
> >>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
> >>>>>> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. =
No
> >>>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
> >>>>>> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
> >>>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
> >>>>>> happens to be one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. Th=
e
> >>>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
> >>>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
> >>>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
> >>>>>> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
> >>>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
> >>>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
> >>>>>> Players don=92t use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
> >>>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
> >>>>>> order in for the French!
> >>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The
> >>>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system=
in
> >>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break wil=
l
> >>>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >>>>>> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
> >>>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
> >>>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reali=
ty
> >>>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
> >>>>>> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >>>>>> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports wo=
rld
> >>>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the
> >>>>>> government, the wiser the population=94
> >>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
> >>>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
> >>>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
> >>>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
> >>>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
> >>>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
> >>>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
> >>>>>> go to the following link:
> >>>>>>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
> >>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
> >>>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
> >>>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
> >>>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
> >>> what a stupid, trolling comment.
> >> Because of?-
>
> > anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
> > meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>
> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>
> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
> clueless. =A0In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. =A0If he
> walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads=
.-

his biceps are always ripped during the FO-W swing. his muscle tone
doesn't look like any tennis player we've ever seen.



  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 23:52:02
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 4, 6:47 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>> On Feb 3, 8:25 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
>>>>>>>> the players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans
>>>>>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
>>>>>>>> general due to the match."
>>>>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
>>>>>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>>>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>>>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
>>>>>>>> ATP doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
>>>>>>>> seller. Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
>>>>>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
>>>>>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>>>> can carefully plan Rafaelís injections judiciously under the
>>>>>>>> publicís nose and claim heís all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>>>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we
>>>>>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
>>>>>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
>>>>>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
>>>>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
>>>>>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
>>>>>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
>>>>>>>> styles of hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and
>>>>>>>> they still get tired.
>>>>>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>>>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No
>>>>>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
>>>>>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
>>>>>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
>>>>>>>> happens to be one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The
>>>>>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
>>>>>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
>>>>>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
>>>>>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
>>>>>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
>>>>>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
>>>>>>>> Players donít use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
>>>>>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
>>>>>>>> order in for the French!
>>>>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The
>>>>>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will
>>>>>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>>>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
>>>>>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
>>>>>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality
>>>>>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>>>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>>>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world
>>>>>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the
>>>>>>>> government, the wiser the populationĒ
>>>>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
>>>>>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
>>>>>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
>>>>>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
>>>>>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
>>>>>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
>>>>>>>> go to the following link:
>>>>>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>>>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
>>>>>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>>>>>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
>>>>>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
>>>>> what a stupid, trolling comment.
>>>> Because of?-
>>> anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
>>> meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>>
>> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
>> clueless. In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. If he
>> walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads.-
>
> his biceps are always ripped during the FO-W swing. his muscle tone
> doesn't look like any tennis player we've ever seen.
>


Check him out in real life if you get the chance - he's very lean with
some bicep definition. Certainly nothing that would suggest roid use.
If he were using roids & got that result he should ask for a refund.





 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 17:12:28
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 9:09=A0pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
> exhausted. But...............

I didn't - two night's sleep is more than enough for someone as fit as
Rafa to recover. Plus, remember it was a night match in cooler
conditions. I knew that the semi would have negligible effect...


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 22:50:22
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
RahimAsif wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:09 pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
>> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
>> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
>> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
>> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
>> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
>> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
>> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
>> exhausted. But...............
>
> I didn't - two night's sleep is more than enough for someone as fit as
> Rafa to recover. Plus, remember it was a night match in cooler
> conditions. I knew that the semi would have negligible effect...


Rafa pretty clearly was not at his best. If he played the same as in
his Haas match Fed woulda been out 63 62 64.



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 07:48:46
From:
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 3:09=A0pm, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> Nadal is probably not the only one. Suppose both Nadal and Federer or.. i
> don't know both djokovic and safin got caught roiding. WHO would have the
> most to lose from that situation? I am writing down couples just to point
> out what they have in common.

If all those guys got caught for drugs, would all their slams be taken
off them?

Would that leave Roddick with 10 slams and a shot at the GOAT title?




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:42:59
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 3:09†pm, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Nadal is probably not the only one. Suppose both Nadal and Federer or.. i
>> don't know both djokovic and safin got caught roiding. WHO would have the
>> most to lose from that situation? I am writing down couples just to point
>> out what they have in common.
>
> If all those guys got caught for drugs, would all their slams be taken
> off them?

Rios says no :)


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 06:43:56
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 10:09=A0pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:24=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending th=
e
> > > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans th=
is
> > > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > > to the match."
>
> > > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues fo=
r
> > > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > > than 48 rest?
>
> > > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the AT=
P
> > > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Americ=
an
> > > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancin=
g
> > > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim=
he=92s
> > > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we=
laugh
> > > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > > American base ball heros.
>
> > > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still g=
et
> > > tired.
>
> > > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of hi=
s
> > > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No =
real
> > > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancin=
g
> > > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of =
his
> > > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > > enhance endurance.
>
> > > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body=
.
> > > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t us=
e
> > > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it=
.
> > > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The mo=
re
> > > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will d=
o
> > > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world=
that
> > > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governme=
nt,
> > > the wiser the population=94
>
> > > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players=
,
> > > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? I=
f
> > > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> > >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> > i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
> > fresh as a daisy. =A0there's no signs that he had a really tough match
> > the night before. =A0he's making insane gets.
>
> I know.
> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
> exhausted. But...............-

not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
explosive speed in the final. Judging from Erich's highlights (i
didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
the first set by making those unbelievable gets.

but it couldn't be steroids, could it.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 22:49:01
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 2, 10:09 pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 7:24 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>>> to the match."
>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>>> American base ball heros.
>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>>> tired.
>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>>> enhance endurance.
>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>> i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
>>> fresh as a daisy. there's no signs that he had a really tough match
>>> the night before. he's making insane gets.
>> I know.
>> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
>> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
>> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
>> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
>> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
>> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
>> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
>> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
>> exhausted. But...............-
>
> not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
> explosive speed in the final. Judging from Erich's highlights (i
> didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
> the first set by making those unbelievable gets.
>
> but it couldn't be steroids, could it.


I guess Edberg was on roids when he beat Lendl, Krajicek & Chang in 6 hr
5 set matches at 1992 USO & then cleaned up Sampras in final?

If not why not? Because Rafa has reasonable biceps? Please.



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:09:24
From: reg
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:43:56 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 2, 10:09†pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 7:24†am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 2, 9:49†am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>> > > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>
>> > > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>> > > players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>> > > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>> > > to the match."
>>
>> > > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>> > > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>> > > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>
>> > > 1) From CINDY:
>>
>> > > There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>> > > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>> > > than 48 rest?
>>
>> > > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>> > > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>> > > recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>> > > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>> > > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>> > > doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>> > > Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>> > > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>> > > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>> > > Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>> > > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>
>> > > 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>> > > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>> > > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>> > > American base ball heros.
>>
>> > > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>> > > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>> > > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>> > > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>> > > hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>> > > tired.
>>
>> > > Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>> > > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>
>> > > 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>> > > routing interest in either of them.
>>
>> > > Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>> > > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>> > > one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>> > > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>> > > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>> > > enhance endurance.
>>
>> > > Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>> > > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>> > > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>> > > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>> > > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>> > > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>
>> > > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>> > > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>> > > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>> > > perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>> > > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>> > > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>> > > sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>> > > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>> > > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>> > > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>> > > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>
>> > > Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>> > > substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>> > > this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>> > > the wiser the populationĒ
>>
>> > > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>> > > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>> > > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>> > > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>> > > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>> > > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>> > > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>
>> > >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>
>> > i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
>> > fresh as a daisy. †there's no signs that he had a really tough match
>> > the night before. †he's making insane gets.
>>
>> I know.
>> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
>> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
>> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
>> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
>> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
>> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
>> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
>> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
>> exhausted. But...............-
>
>not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
>explosive speed in the final. Judging from Erich's highlights (i
>didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
>the first set by making those unbelievable gets.
>
>but it couldn't be steroids, could it.

It also suggests a possible strategic motive for Uncle Toni's strange
comments. By seeming to take away credit from Rafa and give it to Fed
- even claiming Fed to be still the better player - it's like a tacit
confession of guilt designed to forstall the possibility of having to
make an overt one. Who would be so crass as to accuse one so gracious?


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 22:21:51
From: reg
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:43:56 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 2, 10:09†pm, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 7:24†am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 2, 9:49†am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>> > > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>
>> > > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>> > > players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>> > > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>> > > to the match."
>>
>> > > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>> > > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>> > > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>
>> > > 1) From CINDY:
>>
>> > > There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>> > > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>> > > than 48 rest?
>>
>> > > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>> > > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>> > > recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>> > > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>> > > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>> > > doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>> > > Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>> > > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>> > > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>> > > Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>> > > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>
>> > > 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>> > > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>> > > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>> > > American base ball heros.
>>
>> > > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>> > > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>> > > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>> > > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>> > > hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>> > > tired.
>>
>> > > Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>> > > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>
>> > > 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>> > > routing interest in either of them.
>>
>> > > Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>> > > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>> > > one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>> > > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>> > > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>> > > enhance endurance.
>>
>> > > Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>> > > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>> > > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>> > > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>> > > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>> > > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>
>> > > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>> > > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>> > > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>> > > perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>> > > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>> > > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>> > > sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>> > > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>> > > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>> > > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>> > > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>
>> > > Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>> > > substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>> > > this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>> > > the wiser the populationĒ
>>
>> > > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>> > > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>> > > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>> > > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>> > > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>> > > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>> > > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>
>> > >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>
>> > i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
>> > fresh as a daisy. †there's no signs that he had a really tough match
>> > the night before. †he's making insane gets.
>>
>> I know.
>> I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
>> was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
>> tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
>> there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
>> think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
>> Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
>> Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
>> tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
>> exhausted. But...............-
>
>not only was Rafa not too tired to play his A-game, but he showed
>explosive speed in the final. Judging from Erich's highlights (i
>didn't get up at 5:00 a.m. my time to catch the first set), Rafa won
>the first set by making those unbelievable gets.
>
>but it couldn't be steroids, could it.

It also suggests a possible strategic motive for Uncle Toni's strange
comments. By taking away credit from Rafa and give it to Fed - even
claiming that Fed is still the better player contrary to all evidence
- it's like a tacit confession of guilt designed to forstall the
possibility of having to make an overt one. Who would be so crass as
to accuse one so gracious?


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 05:51:55
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 8:25=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> wkhedr wrote:
> >>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> >>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
> >>>> the players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fa=
ns
> >>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
> >>>> general due to the match."
>
> >>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
> >>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> >>>> 1) From CINDY:
>
> >>>> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a dais=
y
> >>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >>>> than 48 rest?
>
> >>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >>>> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but the=
y
> >>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> >>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
> >>>> ATP doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
> >>>> seller. Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
> >>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
> >>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>> can carefully plan Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the
> >>>> public=92s nose and claim he=92s all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> >>>> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym w=
e
> >>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
> >>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
> >>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
>
> >>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
> >>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
> >>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
> >>>> styles of hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and
> >>>> they still get tired.
>
> >>>> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of h=
is
> >>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> >>>> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No
> >>>> real routing interest in either of them.
>
> >>>> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
> >>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
> >>>> happens to be one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The
> >>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
> >>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
> >>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
>
> >>>> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
> >>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
> >>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
> >>>> Players don=92t use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
> >>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
> >>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
> >>>> order in for the French!
>
> >>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The
> >>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system i=
n
> >>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will
> >>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >>>> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
> >>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
> >>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality
> >>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> >>>> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >>>> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports worl=
d
> >>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the
> >>>> government, the wiser the population=94
>
> >>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
> >>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
> >>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
> >>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
> >>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
> >>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
> >>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
> >>>> go to the following link:
>
> >>>>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> >>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
> >>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>
> >> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
> >> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
>
> > what a stupid, trolling comment.
>
> Because of?-

anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.



  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 22:47:31
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:25 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
>>>>>> the players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans
>>>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
>>>>>> general due to the match."
>>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
>>>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
>>>>>> ATP doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
>>>>>> seller. Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
>>>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
>>>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>> can carefully plan Rafaelís injections judiciously under the
>>>>>> publicís nose and claim heís all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we
>>>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
>>>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
>>>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
>>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
>>>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
>>>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
>>>>>> styles of hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and
>>>>>> they still get tired.
>>>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No
>>>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
>>>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
>>>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
>>>>>> happens to be one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The
>>>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
>>>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
>>>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
>>>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
>>>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
>>>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
>>>>>> Players donít use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
>>>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
>>>>>> order in for the French!
>>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The
>>>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will
>>>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
>>>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
>>>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality
>>>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world
>>>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the
>>>>>> government, the wiser the populationĒ
>>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
>>>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
>>>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
>>>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
>>>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
>>>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
>>>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
>>>>>> go to the following link:
>>>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
>>>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>>>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
>>>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
>>> what a stupid, trolling comment.
>> Because of?-
>
> anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
> meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>


er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?

If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're
clueless. In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. If he
walked into any gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads.



   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:13:49
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Drugs ?

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:49898056$0$18805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Scott wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 8:25 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
>>>>>>> the players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans
>>>>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
>>>>>>> general due to the match."
>>>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
>>>>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
>>>>>>> ATP doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
>>>>>>> seller. Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
>>>>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
>>>>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>>> can carefully plan Rafaelís injections judiciously under the
>>>>>>> publicís nose and claim heís all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we
>>>>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
>>>>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
>>>>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
>>>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
>>>>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
>>>>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
>>>>>>> styles of hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and
>>>>>>> they still get tired.
>>>>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No
>>>>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
>>>>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
>>>>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
>>>>>>> happens to be one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The
>>>>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
>>>>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
>>>>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
>>>>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
>>>>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
>>>>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
>>>>>>> Players donít use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
>>>>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
>>>>>>> order in for the French!
>>>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The
>>>>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will
>>>>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
>>>>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
>>>>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality
>>>>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world
>>>>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the
>>>>>>> government, the wiser the populationĒ
>>>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
>>>>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
>>>>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
>>>>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
>>>>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
>>>>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
>>>>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
>>>>>>> go to the following link:
>>>>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
>>>>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>>>>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
>>>>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
>>>> what a stupid, trolling comment.
>>> Because of?-
>>
>> anyone with eyes knows that there's no sign that RF is on steroids.
>> meanwhile, it couldn't be more obvious with Nadal.
>>
>
>
> er, were there any signs Mac was on roids?
>
> If you think Rafa is well built by normal world standards you're clueless.
> In real life he's very lean & has slight muscle. If he walked into any
> gym he'd look like a puny weed next to typical meat heads.
>

Yes, a friend of mine saw him in 2004, he said he looked nothing like on tv.




 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 05:25:37
From: guyana
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 8:11=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 9:57 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
> >>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending t=
he
> >>>> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans t=
his
> >>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general du=
e
> >>>> to the match."
> >>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues f=
or
> >>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
> >>>> 1) From CINDY:
> >>>> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a dais=
y
> >>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >>>> than 48 rest?
> >>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >>>> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but the=
y
> >>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> >>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the A=
TP
> >>>> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> >>>> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Ameri=
can
> >>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhanci=
ng
> >>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> >>>> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and clai=
m he=92s
> >>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
> >>>> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym w=
e laugh
> >>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> >>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> >>>> American base ball heros.
> >>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> >>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> >>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> >>>> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still =
get
> >>>> tired.
> >>>> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of h=
is
> >>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
> >>>> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No=
real
> >>>> routing interest in either of them.
> >>>> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhanci=
ng
> >>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> >>>> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of=
his
> >>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> >>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> >>>> enhance endurance.
> >>>> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the bod=
y.
> >>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> >>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t u=
se
> >>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> >>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at i=
t.
> >>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
> >>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The m=
ore
> >>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> >>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will =
do
> >>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >>>> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe i=
t
> >>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> >>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> >>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
> >>>> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >>>> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports worl=
d that
> >>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governm=
ent,
> >>>> the wiser the population=94
> >>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> >>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow player=
s,
> >>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated befor=
e
> >>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal=
.
> >>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> >>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? =
If
> >>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
> >>>>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
> >>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> >>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
> >> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. =A0Howeve=
r,
> >> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
> >> believe that they could be cheating. =A0How could two such nice guys b=
e
> >> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.
>
> Look Roger is not a nice guy. =A0It may well be the roids are causing him
> to lose his head & disrespect Rafa - maybe that explains it?

I hope Rafa is not Puerting!!! But then what was uncle Tony doing in E
Gefmany for two weeks???!?!?


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 05:24:11
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 8:08=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> >> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> >> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans thi=
s
> >> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> >> to the match."
>
> >> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> >> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> >> 1) From CINDY:
>
> >> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> >> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >> than 48 rest?
>
> >> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> >> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> >> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> >> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> >> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South America=
n
> >> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> >> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> >> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim =
he=92s
> >> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> >> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we =
laugh
> >> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> >> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> >> American base ball heros.
>
> >> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> >> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> >> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> >> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still ge=
t
> >> tired.
>
> >> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> >> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> >> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No r=
eal
> >> routing interest in either of them.
>
> >> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> >> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> >> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of h=
is
> >> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> >> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> >> enhance endurance.
>
> >> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> >> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> >> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> >> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> >> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> >> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> >> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The mor=
e
> >> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> >> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> >> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> >> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> >> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> >> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> >> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world =
that
> >> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governmen=
t,
> >> the wiser the population=94
>
> >> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> >> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> >> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> >> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> >> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> >> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> >> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> > I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> > will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>
> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for tennis
> if he is a roid monkey.-

what a stupid, trolling comment.




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:25:57
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:08 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>
>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending
>>>> the players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans
>>>> this time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in
>>>> general due to the match."
>>
>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues
>>>> for some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>
>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>
>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>> than 48 rest?
>>
>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the
>>>> ATP doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket
>>>> seller. Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked
>>>> South American players so as to look like we care about illegal
>>>> performance enhancing drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>> can carefully plan Rafaelís injections judiciously under the
>>>> publicís nose and claim heís all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>
>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we
>>>> laugh because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We
>>>> know the signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of
>>>> the beloved American base ball heros.
>>
>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work
>>>> he puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like
>>>> Murray, Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient
>>>> styles of hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and
>>>> they still get tired.
>>
>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>
>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No
>>>> real routing interest in either of them.
>>
>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance
>>>> enhancing drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just
>>>> happens to be one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The
>>>> very nature of his game would not be improved by them. Physical
>>>> grinders like Hewitt, Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit
>>>> from drugs that would help enhance endurance.
>>
>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the
>>>> body. Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in
>>>> best of 5 set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor.
>>>> Players donít use the stuff year round. They use it at selective
>>>> times when it will benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony
>>>> have become masters at it. I bet they already have extra strength
>>>> order in for the French!
>>
>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The
>>>> more rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will
>>>> do the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe
>>>> it or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a
>>>> bad patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality
>>>> in sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>
>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world
>>>> that this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the
>>>> government, the wiser the populationĒ
>>
>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It
>>>> is worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow
>>>> players, RST'ers and other posters on several forums had
>>>> prognosticated before the final that the marathon semi was going
>>>> to take its toll on Nadal. And in the final, we see Nadal running
>>>> and retrieving like no tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually.
>>>> What do you guys think? If you wanna read more of these comments,
>>>> go to the following link:
>>
>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>
>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out,
>>> it will be the worst news for tennis fans.
>>
>> I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for
>> tennis if he is a roid monkey.-
>
> what a stupid, trolling comment.


Because of?




 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 02:34:02
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On 2 f=E9v, 15:53, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > to the match."
>
> > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > than 48 rest?
>
> > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim h=
e=92s
> > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we l=
augh
> > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > American base ball heros.
>
> > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> > tired.
>
> > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No re=
al
> > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of hi=
s
> > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > enhance endurance.
>
> > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world t=
hat
> > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government=
,
> > the wiser the population=94
>
> > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> will be the worst news for tennis fans.

You mean "the worst news for tennis"!
How could a sport so spotted on so few players will survive such
disaster?
Hard to imagine what will be lost in the fire.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:09:36
From: roger5
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 3, 7:24=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > to the match."
>
> > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > than 48 rest?
>
> > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim h=
e=92s
> > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we l=
augh
> > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > American base ball heros.
>
> > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> > tired.
>
> > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No re=
al
> > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of hi=
s
> > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > enhance endurance.
>
> > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world t=
hat
> > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government=
,
> > the wiser the population=94
>
> > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
> fresh as a daisy. =A0there's no signs that he had a really tough match
> the night before. =A0he's making insane gets.

I know.
I remember Pat Cash making comments before the match started and he
was absolutely adamant on the point that Rafa was going to be too
tired and Roger was going to win. Hell, he continually insisted that
there was no way Rafa could have been at a 100 % after that semi. I
think even here on RST, so many people thought the exact same---that
Roger had an unfair advantage, he had an extra day rest and how if
Roger were to win, this victory wouldn't mean much since Rafa was
tired. Right? I mean I thought myself that Nadal was gonna be too
exhausted. But...............


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:24:16
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> to the match."
>
> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> 1) From CINDY:
>
> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> than 48 rest?
>
> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim he=
=92s
> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we lau=
gh
> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> American base ball heros.
>
> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> tired.
>
> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No real
> routing interest in either of them.
>
> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> enhance endurance.
>
> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world tha=
t
> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government,
> the wiser the population=94
>
> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php

i just looked at Erich's highlights of the first two sets and Nadal is
fresh as a daisy. there's no signs that he had a really tough match
the night before. he's making insane gets.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 13:34:32
From:
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 10:15=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:

Also factor in that Rafa has none of the sweet rhythm and
> anatomically perfect technique Roger has on his forehand. Rafa
> essentially muscles the ball=85bullies the ball. Roger=92s forehand is
> realistic because he has always had a super loose arm and exquisite
> timing and rhythm.

I disagree with that comment that Nadal *muscles* the ball. In fact,
if you watch, his arm moves in
much the same loose, whippy motion that Fed's does. If his arm were
tight, he would not be getting the
racquet-head speed and would not be putting the action on the ball
that he does.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:28:46
From: TT
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 10:15 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also factor in that Rafa has none of the sweet rhythm and
>> anatomically perfect technique Roger has on his forehand. Rafa
>> essentially muscles the ballÖbullies the ball. Rogerís forehand is
>> realistic because he has always had a super loose arm and exquisite
>> timing and rhythm.
>
> I disagree with that comment that Nadal *muscles* the ball. In fact,
> if you watch, his arm moves in
> much the same loose, whippy motion that Fed's does. If his arm were
> tight, he would not be getting the
> racquet-head speed and would not be putting the action on the ball
> that he does.

Nadal has most loose wrist action. It's incredible really he can play
like that.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 15:24:45
From: Trevor Smithson
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:49:33 -0800 (PST), roger5
<hrishikesh.borah@gmail.com > wrote:

>Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
>"something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this

(snip)

Got any proof? If not, speculate all you want but drop the "I KNOW
he's using cause of x y z" crap.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:10:16
From: roger5
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 8:32=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> "Here=92s the deal in a Rafa match. This is an oddity almost particular
> to him alone =97 three or four times a match he will make a shot that NO
> ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE. And I=92m talking about guys sitting courtside
> like Rod Laver, who have seen decades of top tennis."
>
> This I agree on, rest is bs.
>
> I have never seen Federer hitting a shot none else can do. That claim
> always has puzzled me greatly in the sense of fanboy self deception.

Hey, guess you don't read warning signs---either in RST or in real
life !


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:02:11
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 10:15=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey, this is another stellar post. Here, it goes
>
> Warning: Don=92t read if you love the Rafa
>
> Ha! Nadal=92s strength is not the =93mom lifting the car off her child=94
> moment you describe=85more like =93Rafa lifting a truck off every
> spectator in Rod Laver Arena.
>
> Here=92s the deal in a Rafa match. This is an oddity almost particular
> to him alone =97 three or four times a match he will make a shot that NO
> ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE. And I=92m talking about guys sitting courtside
> like Rod Laver, who have seen decades of top tennis.
>
> In baseball, the greatest fastball pitchers can break 100 mph. That=92s
> the limit of natural human anatomy. No player has shown up throwing
> 120 mph. If you use your eyes, in Rafa you see a player who has an
> extra gear for power and an extra lung for running. Now obviously
> racket technology and string (along with stronger grips, which allows
> one to take huge cuts at the ball), play into this, but all the
> players have access to the latest. Beside, Sampras=92 1983 Pro Staff and
> Agassi=92s Prince Graphite stand up well to the modern sticks. In
> yesterday=92s final, Rafa had a couple of circus-crazy passes from deep
> in the cheap seats. The shots are so freakish, that Roger=85a guy who
> has played him more than anyone=85is stuck standing with the =93deer in
> the headlights=94 flat-footed funk.
>
> There was another great rally where Rafa ran over a 100 yards (total
> for the rally) and took a Federer monster inside-out forehand with
> huge weight on it, and used only the mass of his arm with a short
> backswing to torque a sizzling winner down-the-line. Combine these
> freakish shots with the =93work=94 and racket speed he puts on all his
> groundies for five hours and one can only shake their head and wonder
> why only ONE player on Earth can have such a headspeed advantage, when
> we know by Olympic sprinting results that Spaniards are not the
> greatest fast-twitch genetics on Earth. Monfils having a large
> headspeed gap I could believe. Tiger Woods headspeed advantage I can
> explain. Also factor in that Rafa has none of the sweet rhythm and
> anatomically perfect technique Roger has on his forehand. Rafa
> essentially muscles the ball=85bullies the ball. Roger=92s forehand is
> realistic because he has always had a super loose arm and exquisite
> timing and rhythm.
>
> I have only seen two players match Rafa in headspeed and effort =97
> Mariana Puerta in the French final=85(and we know how he did it) and
> Verdasco in the AO semi=85(and I can guess how and why he did it). Heck,
> the Verdasco vs. Nadal semi had such sick headspeed, it was the first
> match I ever witnessed where the ball was consistently curving in the
> air exactly like a light ping-pong ball. And a tennis ball will not
> suck three feet around net posts with top and sidespin unless its
> being gangbanged.
>
> So Nadal creates an extraordinary sporting visual. Similar to Barry
> Bonds massive lunar shots. Similar to Ben Johnson=92s or Marion Jones=92
> sprints, where they are pulling away from other world class runners.
> The gap of these feats seems not quite right. Muhammad Ali was a great
> fighter, but when Joe Frazier or Ken Norton hit him, you could tell he
> was just a man.
>
> Another fact that any performance enhancing drug doctor would explain,
> is that if you had no concern, or worry about a test, he could easily
> put you on a program that would improve a players ability around
> 10-20%. The baseball stats in the steroid era prove that it is not a
> miniscule 2 or 3 % that some would argue. It=92s HUGE! So would everyone
> at least admit that the science is there if anyone would dare use it?
>
> I=92d say the advantage is so large that it would allow a player whose
> style is essentially that of a clay counter-puncher, to go to faster
> surfaces with success. Nadal should have all the problems Guga,
> Brugera, Vilas had on fast surfaces, trying to win with grip changes
> that are too large and a court positioning style too far back to take
> down a great fast court attacking player. Borg would be the only other
> example of a player who was able to take his clay counter-punching
> game successfully to grass. And Borg did it by being a technically
> revolutionary figure, giving the serve & volleyers fits with his
> ability to wrist snap heavy topspin returns to their feet. And
> remember, even Borg couldn=92t win the US Open on a slick hardcourt. To
> me it looks like Rafa is almost apologetic about how well his turbo-
> charged clay game has transferred to faster surfaces.
>
> So Nadal visually has a large firepower and endurance advantage over
> his closest rivals. Players like Laver, Kramer and Tilden all had big
> shots, but I challenge anyone to show me a freakish gap like this in a
> tennis era before PED? Is it possible that Nadal is simply the special
> =93chosen one?=94 Perhaps, but there is a far more plausible explanation.
>
> Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes??? I=92m going to sleep

great post.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 07:15:35
From: roger5
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Hey, this is another stellar post. Here, it goes

Warning: Don=92t read if you love the Rafa



Ha! Nadal=92s strength is not the =93mom lifting the car off her child=94
moment you describe=85more like =93Rafa lifting a truck off every
spectator in Rod Laver Arena.



Here=92s the deal in a Rafa match. This is an oddity almost particular
to him alone =97 three or four times a match he will make a shot that NO
ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE. And I=92m talking about guys sitting courtside
like Rod Laver, who have seen decades of top tennis.



In baseball, the greatest fastball pitchers can break 100 mph. That=92s
the limit of natural human anatomy. No player has shown up throwing
120 mph. If you use your eyes, in Rafa you see a player who has an
extra gear for power and an extra lung for running. Now obviously
racket technology and string (along with stronger grips, which allows
one to take huge cuts at the ball), play into this, but all the
players have access to the latest. Beside, Sampras=92 1983 Pro Staff and
Agassi=92s Prince Graphite stand up well to the modern sticks. In
yesterday=92s final, Rafa had a couple of circus-crazy passes from deep
in the cheap seats. The shots are so freakish, that Roger=85a guy who
has played him more than anyone=85is stuck standing with the =93deer in
the headlights=94 flat-footed funk.



There was another great rally where Rafa ran over a 100 yards (total
for the rally) and took a Federer monster inside-out forehand with
huge weight on it, and used only the mass of his arm with a short
backswing to torque a sizzling winner down-the-line. Combine these
freakish shots with the =93work=94 and racket speed he puts on all his
groundies for five hours and one can only shake their head and wonder
why only ONE player on Earth can have such a headspeed advantage, when
we know by Olympic sprinting results that Spaniards are not the
greatest fast-twitch genetics on Earth. Monfils having a large
headspeed gap I could believe. Tiger Woods headspeed advantage I can
explain. Also factor in that Rafa has none of the sweet rhythm and
anatomically perfect technique Roger has on his forehand. Rafa
essentially muscles the ball=85bullies the ball. Roger=92s forehand is
realistic because he has always had a super loose arm and exquisite
timing and rhythm.



I have only seen two players match Rafa in headspeed and effort =97
Mariana Puerta in the French final=85(and we know how he did it) and
Verdasco in the AO semi=85(and I can guess how and why he did it). Heck,
the Verdasco vs. Nadal semi had such sick headspeed, it was the first
match I ever witnessed where the ball was consistently curving in the
air exactly like a light ping-pong ball. And a tennis ball will not
suck three feet around net posts with top and sidespin unless its
being gangbanged.



So Nadal creates an extraordinary sporting visual. Similar to Barry
Bonds massive lunar shots. Similar to Ben Johnson=92s or Marion Jones=92
sprints, where they are pulling away from other world class runners.
The gap of these feats seems not quite right. Muhammad Ali was a great
fighter, but when Joe Frazier or Ken Norton hit him, you could tell he
was just a man.



Another fact that any performance enhancing drug doctor would explain,
is that if you had no concern, or worry about a test, he could easily
put you on a program that would improve a players ability around
10-20%. The baseball stats in the steroid era prove that it is not a
miniscule 2 or 3 % that some would argue. It=92s HUGE! So would everyone
at least admit that the science is there if anyone would dare use it?



I=92d say the advantage is so large that it would allow a player whose
style is essentially that of a clay counter-puncher, to go to faster
surfaces with success. Nadal should have all the problems Guga,
Brugera, Vilas had on fast surfaces, trying to win with grip changes
that are too large and a court positioning style too far back to take
down a great fast court attacking player. Borg would be the only other
example of a player who was able to take his clay counter-punching
game successfully to grass. And Borg did it by being a technically
revolutionary figure, giving the serve & volleyers fits with his
ability to wrist snap heavy topspin returns to their feet. And
remember, even Borg couldn=92t win the US Open on a slick hardcourt. To
me it looks like Rafa is almost apologetic about how well his turbo-
charged clay game has transferred to faster surfaces.



So Nadal visually has a large firepower and endurance advantage over
his closest rivals. Players like Laver, Kramer and Tilden all had big
shots, but I challenge anyone to show me a freakish gap like this in a
tennis era before PED? Is it possible that Nadal is simply the special
=93chosen one?=94 Perhaps, but there is a far more plausible explanation.



Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes??? I=92m going to sleep


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:32:31
From: TT
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
"Hereís the deal in a Rafa match. This is an oddity almost particular
to him alone ó three or four times a match he will make a shot that NO
ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE. And Iím talking about guys sitting courtside
like Rod Laver, who have seen decades of top tennis."

This I agree on, rest is bs.

I have never seen Federer hitting a shot none else can do. That claim
always has puzzled me greatly in the sense of fanboy self deception.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 16:27:29
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Hazelwood, is that you?


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 07:13:26
From: roger5
Subject: Re: A thread for losers ?
On Feb 2, 8:10=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 9:57 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> >>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
> >>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending t=
he
> >>>> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans t=
his
> >>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general du=
e
> >>>> to the match."
> >>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues f=
or
> >>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> >>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
> >>>> 1) From CINDY:
> >>>> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a dais=
y
> >>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> >>>> than 48 rest?
> >>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> >>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> >>>> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but the=
y
> >>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> >>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the A=
TP
> >>>> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> >>>> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Ameri=
can
> >>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhanci=
ng
> >>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> >>>> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and clai=
m he=92s
> >>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
> >>>> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym w=
e laugh
> >>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> >>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> >>>> American base ball heros.
> >>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> >>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> >>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> >>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> >>>> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still =
get
> >>>> tired.
> >>>> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of h=
is
> >>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
> >>>> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No=
real
> >>>> routing interest in either of them.
> >>>> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhanci=
ng
> >>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> >>>> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of=
his
> >>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> >>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> >>>> enhance endurance.
> >>>> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the bod=
y.
> >>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> >>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t u=
se
> >>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> >>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at i=
t.
> >>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
> >>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> >>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The m=
ore
> >>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> >>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will =
do
> >>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> >>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> >>>> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> >>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe i=
t
> >>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> >>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> >>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
> >>>> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> >>>> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports worl=
d that
> >>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governm=
ent,
> >>>> the wiser the population=94
> >>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> >>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow player=
s,
> >>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated befor=
e
> >>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal=
.
> >>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> >>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? =
If
> >>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
> >>>>http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
> >>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> >>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
> >> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. =A0Howeve=
r,
> >> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
> >> believe that they could be cheating. =A0How could two such nice guys b=
e
> >> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.
>
> Yes such as Edberg who has been used as an excuse that Nadal couldn't
> possibly have been tired.
>
> Now this is a nice sour grapes thread.

Well, you should have noticed by now that I am just posting some
interesting comments, nothing more or less. This is a discussion
group, right?



  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:25:35
From: TT
Subject: Re: A thread for losers ?
roger5 wrote:
> On Feb 2, 8:10 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 9:57 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>>>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>>>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>>>>> to the match."
>>>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>>>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>>>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>>>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>>>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>>>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>>>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>>>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>>>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>>>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>>>>> American base ball heros.
>>>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>>>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>>>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>>>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>>>>> tired.
>>>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>>>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>>>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>>>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>>>>> enhance endurance.
>>>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>>>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>>>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>>>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>>>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>>>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>>>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>>>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>>>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>>>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>>>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>>>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>>>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>>>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>>>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>>>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>>>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>>>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>>>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
>>>>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. However,
>>>> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
>>>> believe that they could be cheating. How could two such nice guys be
>>>> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.
>> Yes such as Edberg who has been used as an excuse that Nadal couldn't
>> possibly have been tired.
>>
>> Now this is a nice sour grapes thread.
>
> Well, you should have noticed by now that I am just posting some
> interesting comments, nothing more or less. This is a discussion
> group, right?
>

You are posting much more than "just interesting comments".

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 16:09:12
From: Aimless
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Nadal is probably not the only one. Suppose both Nadal and Federer or.. i
don't know both djokovic and safin got caught roiding. WHO would have the
most to lose from that situation? I am writing down couples just to point
out what they have in common.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 07:01:45
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 9:57=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:53=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending th=
e
> > > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans th=
is
> > > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > > to the match."
>
> > > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues fo=
r
> > > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > > than 48 rest?
>
> > > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the AT=
P
> > > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South Americ=
an
> > > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancin=
g
> > > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim=
he=92s
> > > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we=
laugh
> > > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > > American base ball heros.
>
> > > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still g=
et
> > > tired.
>
> > > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of hi=
s
> > > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No =
real
> > > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancin=
g
> > > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of =
his
> > > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > > enhance endurance.
>
> > > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body=
.
> > > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t us=
e
> > > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it=
.
> > > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The mo=
re
> > > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will d=
o
> > > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world=
that
> > > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the governme=
nt,
> > > the wiser the population=94
>
> > > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players=
,
> > > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? I=
f
> > > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> > >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> > I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> > will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>
> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. =A0However,
> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
> believe that they could be cheating. =A0How could two such nice guys be
> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:11:29
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:57 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>>> to the match."
>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>>> American base ball heros.
>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>>> tired.
>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>>> enhance endurance.
>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
>>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. However,
>> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
>> believe that they could be cheating. How could two such nice guys be
>> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.


Look Roger is not a nice guy. It may well be the roids are causing him
to lose his head & disrespect Rafa - maybe that explains it?



  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:10:27
From: TT
Subject: Re: A thread for losers ?
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:57 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>>> to the match."
>>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>>> than 48 rest?
>>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>>> American base ball heros.
>>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>>> tired.
>>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>>> enhance endurance.
>>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
>>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. However,
>> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
>> believe that they could be cheating. How could two such nice guys be
>> liars?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Other athletes that did it or do it are nice guys as well.

Yes such as Edberg who has been used as an excuse that Nadal couldn't
possibly have been tired.

Now this is a nice sour grapes thread.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 06:57:20
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 9:53=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > to the match."
>
> > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > than 48 rest?
>
> > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim h=
e=92s
> > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we l=
augh
> > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > American base ball heros.
>
> > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> > tired.
>
> > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No re=
al
> > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of hi=
s
> > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > enhance endurance.
>
> > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world t=
hat
> > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government=
,
> > the wiser the population=94
>
> > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>

when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. However,
both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
believe that they could be cheating. How could two such nice guys be
liars?




  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 01:59:37
From: jingus
Subject: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was: Re:
Scott wrote:
>>On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>one.
>>
> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids.
>

baseball player alex rodriguez (a-rod) has been caught using 'roids
after denying for years that he was juicing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3890785


   
Date: 08 Feb 2009 08:15:46
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was: Re: Drugs ?]
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:59:37 -0600, jingus <jingus@mindspring.com >
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>>>On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>>>drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>>>one.
>>>
>> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids.
>>
>
>baseball player alex rodriguez (a-rod) has been caught using 'roids
>after denying for years that he was juicing:
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3890785


they will get Rafa sooner or later and then Roger will get all his
credibility back.

even if they don't take Rafa's slams away those *asterisks* beside his
name with Roger as the finalist will be enough for all to know that
they should add another 6 slams to Roger's total to get the real
result.


    
Date: 08 Feb 2009 10:03:17
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was: Re: Drugs ?]
"Superdave" <the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:405to4d07nqtvasu03mnpvjk1n5158kibo@4ax.com...
>
> they will get Rafa sooner or later and then Roger will get all his
> credibility back.
>
> even if they don't take Rafa's slams away those *asterisks* beside his
> name with Roger as the finalist will be enough for all to know that
> they should add another 6 slams to Roger's total to get the real
> result.


In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball, then
stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and time
again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural ability, but
who knows?



     
Date: 08 Feb 2009 10:43:46
From: jingus
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was:
Stapler wrote:
>
> In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball,
> then stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and
> time again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural
> ability, but who knows?
>

notwithstanding any speculations on the role of natural ability, to pull
off shots like nadal does, you have to have the strength to do it.


     
Date: 08 Feb 2009 21:14:59
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was:
Stapler wrote:
> "Superdave" <the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:405to4d07nqtvasu03mnpvjk1n5158kibo@4ax.com...
>>
>> they will get Rafa sooner or later and then Roger will get all his
>> credibility back.
>>
>> even if they don't take Rafa's slams away those *asterisks* beside his
>> name with Roger as the finalist will be enough for all to know that
>> they should add another 6 slams to Roger's total to get the real
>> result.
>
>
> In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball,
> then stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and
> time again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural
> ability, but who knows?


er, he's had that ability for 4 yrs now - hello.



      
Date: 08 Feb 2009 10:35:14
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: a-fraud caught juicing; how long before they catch nadal? [was: Re: Drugs ?]
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:14:59 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Stapler wrote:
>> "Superdave" <the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:405to4d07nqtvasu03mnpvjk1n5158kibo@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> they will get Rafa sooner or later and then Roger will get all his
>>> credibility back.
>>>
>>> even if they don't take Rafa's slams away those *asterisks* beside his
>>> name with Roger as the finalist will be enough for all to know that
>>> they should add another 6 slams to Roger's total to get the real
>>> result.
>>
>>
>> In the final I was just amazed at Nadal's ability to sprint to a ball,
>> then stop on a dime and hit pacey winners whizzing past Roger time and
>> time again. One would like to think that he has *that much* natural
>> ability, but who knows?
>
>
>er, he's had that ability for 4 yrs now - hello.


he's been juicing for that long eh ?


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:10:26
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:53 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>>> to the match."
>>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>> 1) From CINDY:
>>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>>> than 48 rest?
>>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>>> American base ball heros.
>>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>>> tired.
>>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>>> routing interest in either of them.
>>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>>> enhance endurance.
>>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
>> will be the worst news for tennis fans.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> when I watch Rafa play it seems obvious he's doing steroids. However,
> both he and his uncle are such uncommon gentlemen that it is hard to
> believe that they could be cheating. How could two such nice guys be
> liars?
>
>


Rafa is very lean in real life - looks nothing like a roids user.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 06:54:49
From: roger5
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 7:53=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> > something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> > "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> > players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> > time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> > to the match."
>
> > Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> > some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> > enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> > 1) From CINDY:
>
> > There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> > after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> > than 48 rest?
>
> > Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> > anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> > recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> > both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> > players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> > doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> > Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> > players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> > drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> > Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim h=
e=92s
> > all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> > 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we l=
augh
> > because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> > signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> > American base ball heros.
>
> > Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> > before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> > puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> > Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> > hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> > tired.
>
> > Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> > game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> > 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No re=
al
> > routing interest in either of them.
>
> > I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> > drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> > one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of hi=
s
> > game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> > Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> > enhance endurance.
>
> > Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> > Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> > set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> > the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> > benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> > I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> > 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> > cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> > rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> > perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> > the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> > detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> > sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> > substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> > or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> > patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> > sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> > Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> > substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world t=
hat
> > this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government=
,
> > the wiser the population=94
>
> > Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> > worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> > RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> > the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> > And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> > tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> > you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> >http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> will be the worst news for tennis fans.

Geez, sorry for posting twice. Now, let the discussion commence.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 06:53:15
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 9:49=A0am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>
> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
> players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
> to the match."
>
> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>
> 1) From CINDY:
>
> There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
> than 48 rest?
>
> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
> recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
> doesn=92t want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
> Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
> Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim he=
=92s
> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>
> 2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we lau=
gh
> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
> American base ball heros.
>
> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
> hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
> tired.
>
> Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>
> 3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No real
> routing interest in either of them.
>
> I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
> one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
> enhance endurance.
>
> Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>
> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
> perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
> sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>
> Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
> substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world tha=
t
> this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government,
> the wiser the population=94
>
> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>
> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php

I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
will be the worst news for tennis fans.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:08:54
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:49 am, roger5 <hrishikesh.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys, in the aftermath of the Australian Open final 2009,
>> something has happened. As a poster on another website puts it,
>>
>> "something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
>> players, but it ainít happening. Itís not disgruntled Fed fans this
>> time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
>> to the match."
>>
>> Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
>> some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
>> enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---
>>
>> 1) From CINDY:
>>
>> There is no way Nadal is not RoidingÖHow can he be fresh as a daisy
>> after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
>> than 48 rest?
>>
>> Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
>> anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to ďspeed up
>> recovery timeĒ. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
>> both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
>> players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
>> doesnít want a roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
>> Letís make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
>> players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
>> drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
>> Rafaelís injections judiciously under the publicís nose and claim heís
>> all natural. What a crock!!!!
>>
>> 2 Iím a body builder and see ďgearĒ all the time. At the gym we laugh
>> because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
>> signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
>> American base ball heros.
>>
>> Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
>> before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
>> puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
>> Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
>> hitting. They donít have to expend near the energy and they still get
>> tired.
>>
>> Nadal needs ďthe gearĒ to keep up with the physical demands of his
>> game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!
>>
>> 3) Iím not a Federer or a Nadal fan. Iím a tennis fan period. No real
>> routing interest in either of them.
>>
>> Iím not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
>> drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
>> one. Itís very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
>> game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
>> Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
>> enhance endurance.
>>
>> Donít be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
>> Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
>> set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players donít use
>> the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
>> benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
>> I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!
>>
>> 4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
>> cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but itís very true. The more
>> rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the playerís system in
>> perspiration and other bodily fluids ó even a bathroom break will do
>> the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
>> detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
>> sbstance, then itís veryh un likely it will be detected. These
>> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
>> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
>> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
>> sports whether we want to accept it or not.
>>
>> Please note: Iím not saying any of the tennis players use these
>> substances, Iím only stating that itís a fact of the sports world that
>> this is happening As the old addage goes, Ďthe smarter the government,
>> the wiser the populationĒ
>>
>> Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
>> worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
>> RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
>> the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
>> And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
>> tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
>> you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:
>>
>> http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php
>
> I really hope Nadal is clean because if he is not and it came out, it
> will be the worst news for tennis fans.


I really hope & pray Federer is clean - it will be terrible for tennis
if he is a roid monkey.