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Date: 02 Feb 2009 06:51:54
From: roger5
Subject: Drugs ?
Hey guys, in the aftermath of the AO final 2009, something has
happened. As a poster on a certain blog put it,

"something snapped with this match. Usually it is people defending the
players, but it ain=92t happening. It=92s not disgruntled Fed fans this
time. The credibility of the sport is being questioned in general due
to the match."

Well, Nadal's untiring legs and stamina have become serious issues for
some people who are convinced that Nadal is using performance-
enhancing drugs. Let me get some of the quotes over here---

1) From CINDY:

There is no way Nadal is not Roiding=85How can he be fresh as a daisy
after a 5+ hour brutal physical match in the semi-finals with less
than 48 rest?

Then he plays Roger for another 4+ hours and never seems to lose
anything. This is tole tale sign of someone juicing to =93speed up
recovery time=94. Djokovic and Murray are also supremely fit but they
both gave into fatigue. Nadal is not so superior to either of those
players fitness wise. Something smells fishy here. Could it be the ATP
doesn=92t wants it,roid scandal involving their biggest ticket seller.
Let=92s make an example out of some of the lesser ranked South American
players so as to look like we care about illegal performance enhancing
drugs. In the mean time Nadal and Uncle Tony can carefully plan
Rafael=92s injections judiciously under the public=92s nose and claim he=92=
s
all natural. What a crock!!!!

2 I=92m a body builder and see =93gear=94 all the time. At the gym we laugh
because we know athletes like Rafael Nadal are using. We know the
signs. In the future, it will come out just like some of the beloved
American base ball heros.

Rafael Nadal plays a physical style tennis game unlike any player
before him. Every strike of the ball is all out warfare. The work he
puts on the ball over and over again is taxing. People like Murray,
Djokovic, Wilander,..etc have/had much more efficient styles of
hitting. They don=92t have to expend near the energy and they still get
tired.

Nadal needs =93the gear=94 to keep up with the physical demands of his
game. So many naive people on here. Unbelievable!

3) I=92m not a Federer or a Nadal fan. I=92m a tennis fan period. No real
routing interest in either of them.

I=92m not claiming all high profile athletes use performance enhancing
drugs. But some do and more than you think. Nadal just happens to be
one. It=92s very unlikely that Federer is a user. The very nature of his
game would not be improved by them. Physical grinders like Hewitt,
Canas, Nadal, and Daveydenko would profit from drugs that would help
enhance endurance.

Don=92t be naive folks. These drugs have short half lives in the body.
Virtually undetectable the next day. Perfect for using in best of 5
set matches where endurance becomes a huge factor. Players don=92t use
the stuff year round. They use it at selective times when it will
benefit them the most. Nadal and Uncle Tony have become masters at it.
I bet they already have extra strength order in for the French!

4) I hate to say I agree with Cindy about performance enhancing
cocktails leaving the body very quickly, but it=92s very true. The more
rigorous the play, the faster it leaves the player=92s system in
perspiration and other bodily fluids =97 even a bathroom break will do
the trick. By the end of the match, very little or nothing is
detectable, and if the testing comm ittee is not testing for that
sbstance, then it=92s veryh un likely it will be detected. These
substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. It=92s a reality in
sports whether we want to accept it or not.

Please note: I=92m not saying any of the tennis players use these
substances, I=92m only stating that it=92s a fact of the sports world that
this is happening As the old addage goes, =91the smarter the government,
the wiser the population=94




Now, I can't help but wonder whether this has any truth to it. It is
worth mentioning that almost everyone--former legends, fellow players,
RST'ers and other posters on several forums had prognosticated before
the final that the marathon semi was going to take its toll on Nadal.
And in the final, we see Nadal running and retrieving like no
tomorrow. I got suspicious myself actually. What do you guys think? If
you wanna read more of these comments, go to the following link:

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-02-01/817.php




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:16:17
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 10:55=A0am, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 10:21=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Without any proof, people's guesses mean nothing.
>
> > But I must admit that I have been a tad suspicious over the years
> > (especially based on things my cousin's coach has said to me).
>
> > Nadal seems to have these cycles where during the peaks he looks like
> > he can recover from anything and during the valleys where he looks
> > like a worse tennis player and also seems to have trouble recovering
> > from matches (and wears down easily).
>
> > In 2006, 2007 and 2008, Nadal's level of playing during the FO/Wimb
> > months were much higher than the rest of the year. Also his recovery
> > powers were much greater. =A0 The difference seemed like increase in
> > stregnth, energy and stamina (and hand eye coordination =3D making way
> > less errors). =A0It wasn't just a HC vs. grass/clay thing, because he
> > oftens played really well on HC at tournaments flanking FO/Wimbledon
> > like IW or Toronto.
>
> > Last year was a bit different because he seemed to go into this "god"
> > mode a bit later than 2006, 2007. =A0He seemed to go into his supreme
> > mode only after Hamburg and since the Olympics caused the Toronto
> > Masters to be pushed closer to Wimbledon, he looked great at that
> > tournament too. =A0But slowly his serve and footspeed got worse and
> > worse after Wimbledon and by the time he hit the indoor tournaments he
> > was serving back down to his "pre FO" level.
>
> > It seems like a cycle is going on to people who know a lot about
> > performance enhancing supps. =A0My cousin's coach pointed this out to m=
e
> > and she even said a lot of the kids in Florida playing tennis are now
> > experimenting with things and that testing is always 2 steps behind.
>
> > Another thing that's suspicious is that Nadal claims not to do much
> > cardio (since having the foot issues in 2005) and claims to do zero
> > strength straining. =A0Zero. =A0He occasionally does some joint exercis=
es
> > with large rubber bands, but that's it.
>
> He's 22! When he took his shirt off, his torso looked kind of normal.
> No bulging or ripped muscles. The only BIG muscles I see are his
> hitting arm (explainable) and his legs (also explainable). Even they
> are not out of the norm for a 22 year old athlete. So, no roids.

What you said doesn't mean he isn't using roids (just like what anyone
else said doesn't mean he is using roids).
If someone uses roids but doesn't work out, they won't get huge. A
lack of serious bulk doesn't mean someone is not using.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 07:55:06
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
On Feb 2, 10:21=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Without any proof, people's guesses mean nothing.
>
> But I must admit that I have been a tad suspicious over the years
> (especially based on things my cousin's coach has said to me).
>
> Nadal seems to have these cycles where during the peaks he looks like
> he can recover from anything and during the valleys where he looks
> like a worse tennis player and also seems to have trouble recovering
> from matches (and wears down easily).
>
> In 2006, 2007 and 2008, Nadal's level of playing during the FO/Wimb
> months were much higher than the rest of the year. Also his recovery
> powers were much greater. =A0 The difference seemed like increase in
> stregnth, energy and stamina (and hand eye coordination =3D making way
> less errors). =A0It wasn't just a HC vs. grass/clay thing, because he
> oftens played really well on HC at tournaments flanking FO/Wimbledon
> like IW or Toronto.
>
> Last year was a bit different because he seemed to go into this "god"
> mode a bit later than 2006, 2007. =A0He seemed to go into his supreme
> mode only after Hamburg and since the Olympics caused the Toronto
> Masters to be pushed closer to Wimbledon, he looked great at that
> tournament too. =A0But slowly his serve and footspeed got worse and
> worse after Wimbledon and by the time he hit the indoor tournaments he
> was serving back down to his "pre FO" level.
>
> It seems like a cycle is going on to people who know a lot about
> performance enhancing supps. =A0My cousin's coach pointed this out to me
> and she even said a lot of the kids in Florida playing tennis are now
> experimenting with things and that testing is always 2 steps behind.
>
> Another thing that's suspicious is that Nadal claims not to do much
> cardio (since having the foot issues in 2005) and claims to do zero
> strength straining. =A0Zero. =A0He occasionally does some joint exercises
> with large rubber bands, but that's it.

He's 22! When he took his shirt off, his torso looked kind of normal.
No bulging or ripped muscles. The only BIG muscles I see are his
hitting arm (explainable) and his legs (also explainable). Even they
are not out of the norm for a 22 year old athlete. So, no roids.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:56:38
From: TT
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
undecided wrote:
> On Feb 2, 10:21 am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Without any proof, people's guesses mean nothing.
>>
>> But I must admit that I have been a tad suspicious over the years
>> (especially based on things my cousin's coach has said to me).
>>
>> Nadal seems to have these cycles where during the peaks he looks like
>> he can recover from anything and during the valleys where he looks
>> like a worse tennis player and also seems to have trouble recovering
>> from matches (and wears down easily).
>>
>> In 2006, 2007 and 2008, Nadal's level of playing during the FO/Wimb
>> months were much higher than the rest of the year. Also his recovery
>> powers were much greater. The difference seemed like increase in
>> stregnth, energy and stamina (and hand eye coordination = making way
>> less errors). It wasn't just a HC vs. grass/clay thing, because he
>> oftens played really well on HC at tournaments flanking FO/Wimbledon
>> like IW or Toronto.
>>
>> Last year was a bit different because he seemed to go into this "god"
>> mode a bit later than 2006, 2007. He seemed to go into his supreme
>> mode only after Hamburg and since the Olympics caused the Toronto
>> Masters to be pushed closer to Wimbledon, he looked great at that
>> tournament too. But slowly his serve and footspeed got worse and
>> worse after Wimbledon and by the time he hit the indoor tournaments he
>> was serving back down to his "pre FO" level.
>>
>> It seems like a cycle is going on to people who know a lot about
>> performance enhancing supps. My cousin's coach pointed this out to me
>> and she even said a lot of the kids in Florida playing tennis are now
>> experimenting with things and that testing is always 2 steps behind.
>>
>> Another thing that's suspicious is that Nadal claims not to do much
>> cardio (since having the foot issues in 2005) and claims to do zero
>> strength straining. Zero. He occasionally does some joint exercises
>> with large rubber bands, but that's it.
>
> He's 22! When he took his shirt off, his torso looked kind of normal.
> No bulging or ripped muscles. The only BIG muscles I see are his
> hitting arm (explainable) and his legs (also explainable). Even they
> are not out of the norm for a 22 year old athlete. So, no roids.

Nadal also does exercises under water, because of his joints.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 15:22:11
From: Not Roger Federer
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
"roger5" <hrishikesh.borah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:631f721d-ea00-4905-a0e7-0c6e44122c08@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> These
> substances are like pick-me-up potions. Whether we want to believe it
> or not, they exist. Some athletes use them to help them over a bad
> patch and the rate of exit is very accelerated. Itís a reality in
> sports whether we want to accept it or not.

Errm... so where might one purchase these pick-me-up potions, you know? I
have a, errr... "friend", you know, who's hit a bit of a rough patch, you
know. It's not for myself, you know, it's just...awww, this is killing me,
you know, sniff, sniff... maybe I'll try again later.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 07:21:46
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Drugs ?
Without any proof, people's guesses mean nothing.

But I must admit that I have been a tad suspicious over the years
(especially based on things my cousin's coach has said to me).

Nadal seems to have these cycles where during the peaks he looks like
he can recover from anything and during the valleys where he looks
like a worse tennis player and also seems to have trouble recovering
from matches (and wears down easily).

In 2006, 2007 and 2008, Nadal's level of playing during the FO/Wimb
months were much higher than the rest of the year. Also his recovery
powers were much greater. The difference seemed like increase in
stregnth, energy and stamina (and hand eye coordination = making way
less errors). It wasn't just a HC vs. grass/clay thing, because he
oftens played really well on HC at tournaments flanking FO/Wimbledon
like IW or Toronto.

Last year was a bit different because he seemed to go into this "god"
mode a bit later than 2006, 2007. He seemed to go into his supreme
mode only after Hamburg and since the Olympics caused the Toronto
Masters to be pushed closer to Wimbledon, he looked great at that
tournament too. But slowly his serve and footspeed got worse and
worse after Wimbledon and by the time he hit the indoor tournaments he
was serving back down to his "pre FO" level.

It seems like a cycle is going on to people who know a lot about
performance enhancing supps. My cousin's coach pointed this out to me
and she even said a lot of the kids in Florida playing tennis are now
experimenting with things and that testing is always 2 steps behind.

Another thing that's suspicious is that Nadal claims not to do much
cardio (since having the foot issues in 2005) and claims to do zero
strength straining. Zero. He occasionally does some joint exercises
with large rubber bands, but that's it.