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Date: 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57
From:
Subject: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of
http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html

(not my translation)

"From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"

Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are voices
calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.

This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
a visa for next week which may not be granted.








 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 04:47:52
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 20, 7:17=A0pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:53 am, Alaska Rocks <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 7:00 pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Na=
zis 60+
> > > > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non=
-stop?
>
> > > > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes yo=
u an
> > > > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> > > > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> > > Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
> > > between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
> > > recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
> > > even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
> > > Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the internationa=
l
> > > community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
> > > idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
> > > offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
> > > far a stretch in this situation.
>
> > The truth must hurt worse than I thought because you continue to
> > engage in mindless personal insults.
>
> Sorry, that's about as much respect as I have for someone who insists
> on being so outspoken about a subject they clearly and demonstrably
> lack education (or perhaps perspective) in. Apologies if it hurts, but
> maybe you could make your way to a local library one of these days and
> remedy the inherent problem.
>
> > If the nazi label bothers you, stop acting like one. Start by
> > returning to the pre 1967 borders because stolen Palestinian lands do
> > not belong to you. Murdering hundreds of children during a 22-day
> > onslaught against the helpless people of Gaza is what makes Israel a
> > nazi, terrorist state.
>
> If being called an idiot bothers you, stop making statements
> overwhelmingly deserving of such a label. The analogy you're making is
> only about 20 times as stupid as the radical Palin conservatives who
> circulated e-mails claiming that Obama is a secret Muslim. And that is
> a conservative estimate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Problem is with this whole debate is that everyone has to be 'pro'
someone, whether that's pro-palestinian or pro-israeli. I however,
think that they are both governed by a bunch of clowns.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 22:40:54
From: Alaska Rocks
Subject: Whine about one Jewish tennis player missing one tournament but not a
On Feb 20, 8:17=A0pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:53 am, Alaska Rocks <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 7:00 pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Na=
zis 60+
> > > > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non=
-stop?
>
> > > > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes yo=
u an
> > > > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> > > > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> > > Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
> > > between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
> > > recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
> > > even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
> > > Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the internationa=
l
> > > community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
> > > idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
> > > offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
> > > far a stretch in this situation.
>
> > The truth must hurt worse than I thought because you continue to
> > engage in mindless personal insults.
>
> Sorry, that's about as much respect as I have for someone who insists
> on being so outspoken about a subject they clearly and demonstrably
> lack education (or perhaps perspective) in. Apologies if it hurts, but
> maybe you could make your way to a local library one of these days and
> remedy the inherent problem.
>
> > If the nazi label bothers you, stop acting like one. Start by
> > returning to the pre 1967 borders because stolen Palestinian lands do
> > not belong to you. Murdering hundreds of children during a 22-day
> > onslaught against the helpless people of Gaza is what makes Israel a
> > nazi, terrorist state.
>
> If being called an idiot bothers you, stop making statements
> overwhelmingly deserving of such a label. The analogy you're making is
> only about 20 times as stupid as the radical Palin conservatives who
> circulated e-mails claiming that Obama is a secret Muslim. And that is
> a conservative estimate.-

Nothing coming from the likes of you bothers or surprises me. You
whine about one Jewish tennis player missing one tournament but not a
word about the hundreds of Palestinian children slaughtered by Israel.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 11:17:10
From: Habib
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 20, 10:53 am, Alaska Rocks <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 20, 7:00 pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> > > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>
> > > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> > > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> > > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> > Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
> > between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
> > recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
> > even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
> > Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the international
> > community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
> > idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
> > offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
> > far a stretch in this situation.
>
> The truth must hurt worse than I thought because you continue to
> engage in mindless personal insults.

Sorry, that's about as much respect as I have for someone who insists
on being so outspoken about a subject they clearly and demonstrably
lack education (or perhaps perspective) in. Apologies if it hurts, but
maybe you could make your way to a local library one of these days and
remedy the inherent problem.

> If the nazi label bothers you, stop acting like one. Start by
> returning to the pre 1967 borders because stolen Palestinian lands do
> not belong to you. Murdering hundreds of children during a 22-day
> onslaught against the helpless people of Gaza is what makes Israel a
> nazi, terrorist state.

If being called an idiot bothers you, stop making statements
overwhelmingly deserving of such a label. The analogy you're making is
only about 20 times as stupid as the radical Palin conservatives who
circulated e-mails claiming that Obama is a secret Muslim. And that is
a conservative estimate.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 10:53:07
From: Alaska Rocks
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 20, 7:00=A0pm, Habib <andrew.r...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis =
60+
> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-sto=
p?
>
> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
> between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
> recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
> even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
> Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the international
> community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
> idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
> offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
> far a stretch in this situation.

The truth must hurt worse than I thought because you continue to
engage in mindless personal insults.

If the nazi label bothers you, stop acting like one. Start by
returning to the pre 1967 borders because stolen Palestinian lands do
not belong to you. Murdering hundreds of children during a 22-day
onslaught against the helpless people of Gaza is what makes Israel a
nazi, terrorist state.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 10:02:49
From: Habib
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 3:12 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> You are missing the point again. The only reason
> for bringing in America (& Britain) is to show that

That's fine, and you could potentially even use the Iraq war as a
legitimate example (though I think you're being a bit general and
glossing over certain things - you know, such as Dubai's record of
domestic human rights abuses, some crazy Islamic laws, etc.. ), but
bringing up the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki makes zero sense
whatsoever in this context.


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 10:00:58
From: Habib
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>
> > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> > uneducated buffoon.
>
> Does the truth hurt so much?

Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the international
community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
far a stretch in this situation.


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 14:29:51
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"

"Habib" <andrew.reys@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:d5869ffa-8300-42e8-8ea6-7e43196d59cc@13g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 10:58 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis
>> > > 60+
>> > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>>
>> > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
>> > uneducated buffoon.
>>
>> Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> Nah. I'm just amused by your idiocy. There is no basis for comparison
> between Israel and Gaza. The closest you could come, at least in
> recent times, is the relationship between Russia and Chechnya, and
> even that's a stretch considering the brutality Russia's displayed to
> Chechnya in the past without much of a reaction from the international
> community. How could I interpret anything you say after such a wildly
> idiotic analogy in a hurtful manner? I may as well allow myself to be
> offended by a retard with Tourette. In fact that's probably not too
> far a stretch in this situation.


Chechenya is in Russia, Gaza isn't in Israel.




 
Date: 19 Feb 2009 03:12:35
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the

You are missing the point again. The only reason
for bringing in America (& Britain) is to show that
Dubai is engaging in token symbolism against a
soft target. They don't dare to take that stand
against the US for starting the equally unpopular
Iraq war in their neighbourhood. To applaud them
for being 'principled' and 'standing for human rights'
is being plain stoopid.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 12:04:37
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:12:35 -0800 (PST), ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
> You are missing the point again. The only reason
> for bringing in America (& Britain) is to show that
> Dubai is engaging in token symbolism against a
> soft target. They don't dare to take that stand
> against the US for starting the equally unpopular
> Iraq war in their neighbourhood. To applaud them
> for being 'principled' and 'standing for human rights'
> is being plain stoopid.


Israel is wrong. Period. They will never have peace until they realize
they have to compromise to get it. I suggest they give up all their
nukes and allow the UN inspectors in to verify. If they were to do
that I am sure Iran would do the same and that would be a basis for
peace in the region. But, as long as they was to have weapons
domination over all their neighbors and treat them like slaves and
slaughter them with disproportionate responses they can never win nor
have peace. Eventually their population will be diluted out of all
power anyway and they will be forced into it or forgo democracy and
the whole world will then turn on them and even the usa will find it
hard not to without looking like fools much the way they did when Bush
started torturing people.


 
Date: 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 9:31=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 19, 11:58=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:29=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis =
60+
> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-sto=
p?
>
> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> > Try again:
>
> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>
> =A0 =A0 Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundred=
s
> =A0 =A0 of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
> another
> =A0 =A0 country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killin=
g
> =A0 =A0 thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
> =A0 =A0 How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
> =A0 =A0 event, ever? How do you explain that?
> =A0 =A0 It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
> against
> =A0 =A0 the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
> =A0 =A0 symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
> =A0 =A0 with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
> event
> =A0 =A0 away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
> principles
> =A0 =A0 are to be applied only if affordable.)-

The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
they claim to hate, Nazis.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 08:58:27
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 19, 9:31 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 19, 11:58 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>>
>> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
>> > > uneducated buffoon.
>>
>> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>>
>> > Try again:
>>
>> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>>
>>     Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundreds
>>     of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
>> another
>>     country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killing
>>     thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
>>     How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
>>     event, ever? How do you explain that?
>>     It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
>> against
>>     the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
>>     symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
>>     with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
>> event
>>     away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
>> principles
>>     are to be applied only if affordable.)-
>
>The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
>not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
>kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
>us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
>None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
>parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
>they claim to hate, Nazis.

My view is 100% the same.


 
Date: 19 Feb 2009 00:31:10
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 11:58=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 8:29=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60=
+
> > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>
> > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> > uneducated buffoon.
>
> Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> Try again:
>
> Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
> Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
> The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
> Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.

Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundreds
of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
another
country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killing
thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
event, ever? How do you explain that?
It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
against
the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
event
away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
principles
are to be applied only if affordable.)


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 01:42:27
From: Bink B
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
ahonkan wrote:
>
> Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundreds
> of thousands of innocent civilians

What absolute crapola! The japs started a war, wouldn't surrender till
the last man, it would have cost 10s of thousands of American lives to
invade... You are so full of crap in bringing this up it sickens me.


*and* started a war with
> another
> country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killing
> thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.

Faked is crapola again if you mean the US faked them. Misinformed,
stupid, taking either Saddam's or Bush's word that Iraq had wmds....
those are legitimate points to argue.

> How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
> event, ever?

The US banned its own athletes from the 80 Olympics. How many from
Russia or UK or Sweden or Australia, or Iceland, or Vatican City have
been banned???? Why just bring up the USA?


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 22:58:25
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 8:29=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>
> It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
> uneducated buffoon.

Does the truth hurt so much?

Try again:

Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 19:44:02
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 9:26=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:06:11 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
>
> <Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 18, 3:53=A0pm, Mortimer <ECthaki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 17, 8:39=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.h=
tml
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> Nice find with the article. After reading this, I would say its 95%
> >> likely that the WTA will be removing the Dubai tournament/open in the
> >> next 1-2 years after this debacle with Shahar Pe'er.
>
> >In this economy, no one is ready to finance any tournament not even
> >talking about the money paid under the table.
> >So, no, they won't.
>
> the world has shown many times that $$$$$ are more important than
> human rights and even innocent lives. Sad, but true.

Sure, players' rights are more important than human rights,



 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 19:18:45
From: Mortimer
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 9:26=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:

> the world has shown many times that $$$$$ are more important than
> human rights and even innocent lives. Sad, but true.

Yes, 100% correct. And in the case of the Dubai tournament, I'd say
it's more like a 50% chance they'd remove it from the WTA circuit.
Just because, its a very lucrative tournament in many aspects.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 15:22:42
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 1:05 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >>http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>
> >> (not my translation)
>
> >> "From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
> >> the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
> >> benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"
>
> >> Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
> >> unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are
> >> voices calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.
>
> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> > Look, if Dubai were slaughtering Jews do you think one of their
> > players would be welcome at a tournament in Jerusalem ?
>
> > ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> > Gimme a break. The yids want it both ways. When they slaughter people
> > and get ostracized for it they cry foul ! But, when others slaughter
> > them they want sympathy.
>
> What are you talking about? This is about one player being denied entry to a
> tournament. You are doing exactly what the tournament has done - turning an
> individual-player issue into a racial issue. If a tournament in Israel did the
> same thing then it should be taken off the calendar too. Are you saying that
> Peer _should_ be denied entry?

Why are you so surprised that Dave is making a ludicrously asinine
statement? :-)


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 13:06:11
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 3:53=A0pm, Mortimer <ECthaki...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 8:39=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>
> <snip>
>
> Nice find with the article. After reading this, I would say its 95%
> likely that the WTA will be removing the Dubai tournament/open in the
> next 1-2 years after this debacle with Shahar Pe'er.

In this economy, no one is ready to finance any tournament not even
talking about the money paid under the table.
So, no, they won't.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 02:26:41
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:06:11 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
<Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 18, 3:53 pm, Mortimer <ECthaki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 8:39 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Nice find with the article. After reading this, I would say its 95%
>> likely that the WTA will be removing the Dubai tournament/open in the
>> next 1-2 years after this debacle with Shahar Pe'er.
>
>In this economy, no one is ready to finance any tournament not even
>talking about the money paid under the table.
>So, no, they won't.


the world has shown many times that $$$$$ are more important than
human rights and even innocent lives. Sad, but true.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 12:53:43
From: Mortimer
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 17, 8:39=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html

<snip >

Nice find with the article. After reading this, I would say its 95%
likely that the WTA will be removing the Dubai tournament/open in the
next 1-2 years after this debacle with Shahar Pe'er.






 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:29:54
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?

It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
uneducated buffoon.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 03:59:41
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On 18 Feb, 11:35, "Iceberg" <iceberg.ru...@googlemail.com > wrote:
> "ghell666" <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8135e042-36b5-4866-a45f-c9721663cd5b@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting f=
or
> >> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> >> > The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
> >> > playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
> >> > committee has nothing to do with it.
>
> >> > He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
> >> > organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
> >> > the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to n=
o
> >> > avail."
>
> >> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. A=
ll
> >> the WTA
> >> needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the
> >> event
> >> because of her nationality.
>
> >> > He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
> >> > that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it i=
s
> >> > related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
> >> > as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
> >> > popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
> >> > alot of players."
>
> >> > The organizers committee statement:
>
> >> > "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game an=
d
> >> > the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
> >> > tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
> >> > understands her disappointment."
> >> > "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
> >> > and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
> >> > coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen t=
he
> >> > protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"
>
> >> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decisio=
n
> >> they
> >> claim had nothing to do with them.
>
> >> > The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there wer=
e
> >> > also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
> >> > protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
> >> > stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
> >> > politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of th=
e
> >> > recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
> >> > the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>
> >> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>
> >> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing
> >> Israel, but
> >> Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't =
be
> >> relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.
>
> > It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
> > goes way back and its deep.
>
> > Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
> > that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
> > grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
> > another path - which most dont
>
> > And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
> > myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
> > Church =A0- there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
> > they interpt it .
>
> let's ban every Arab player from the US Open then, because of September 1=
1th
> then. And every Irish player from Wimbledon, because of what the IRA did.

You cant really compare that to Israel / Gaza thing , their centuries
of bad blood behind it ,

Besides everyone knows it was your own government that fucked you over
9/11 not the arabs.

There are no irish players Im aware of ..


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 02:04:19
From: rock
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 9:49=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 10:49=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 6:00=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 11:19=A0pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 18, 8:18=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > > > >Arabs are racists.
>
> > > > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>
> > > > =A0 =A0 Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so l=
ong
> > > > ago?
>
> > > > =A0 =A0 The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling =
the
> > > > =A0 =A0 event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned ne=
xt
> > > > week.
> > > > =A0 =A0 It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country=
you
> > > > =A0 =A0 are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge =
in a
> > > > =A0 =A0 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>
> > > > =A0 =A0 Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent econ=
omy
> > > > =A0 =A0 and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that reg=
ion)
> > > > with
> > > > =A0 =A0 year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose su=
ch
> > > > marquee
> > > > =A0 =A0 events over this silly show of solidarity.
>
> > > Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
> > > wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing =A0more than car=
ing
> > > about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all her=
e
> > > living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
> > > Life is not fair.-
>
> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>
> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>
> =A0 =A0 Well, Dubai is indulging in token symbolism hoping it won't invit=
e
> =A0 =A0 major sanctions.

It would be best for the game if WTA would accept their explanation
and forget it.

> My point is, do the western countries refuse
> visas
> =A0 =A0 to sportsmen from well-known terroist sponsoring/ sourcing
> countries 'to
> =A0 =A0 show solidarity'? Or does Dubai have the guts to deny visas to US
> &
> =A0 =A0 British players because they foisted a war on Iraq, presumably
> part
> =A0 =A0 of their brotherhood?

Was there a question or several questions?


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:46:29
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
"rock" <bpgclm@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:61eadc90-66e6-4636-a570-6ee0a41a7b6d@p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 9:49 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 18, 10:49 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 18, 6:00 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Feb 17, 11:19 pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Feb 18, 8:18 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >Arabs are racists.
>>
>> > > > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>>
>> > > > Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
>> > > > ago?
>>
>> > > > The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
>> > > > event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
>> > > > week.
>> > > > It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
>> > > > are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
>> > > > 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>>
>> > > > Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
>> > > > and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
>> > > > with
>> > > > year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
>> > > > marquee
>> > > > events over this silly show of solidarity.
>>
>> > > Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
>> > > wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing more than
>> > > caring
>> > > about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all
>> > > here
>> > > living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
>> > > Life is not fair.-
>>
>> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>>
>> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>>
>> Well, Dubai is indulging in token symbolism hoping it won't invite
>> major sanctions.
>
> It would be best for the game if WTA would accept their explanation
> and forget it.

yes and then we should ban all Arab players from the US Open and no
questions should be asked. In fact why not ban all black players from some
events too and continue with unquestioned racism like this elsewhere.



 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 00:49:03
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 10:49=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 6:00=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 11:19=A0pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 18, 8:18=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > > >Arabs are racists.
>
> > > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>
> > > =A0 =A0 Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so lon=
g
> > > ago?
>
> > > =A0 =A0 The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling th=
e
> > > =A0 =A0 event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
> > > week.
> > > =A0 =A0 It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country y=
ou
> > > =A0 =A0 are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in=
a
> > > =A0 =A0 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>
> > > =A0 =A0 Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent econom=
y
> > > =A0 =A0 and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that regio=
n)
> > > with
> > > =A0 =A0 year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
> > > marquee
> > > =A0 =A0 events over this silly show of solidarity.
>
> > Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
> > wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing =A0more than carin=
g
> > about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
> > living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
> > Life is not fair.-
>
> Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>
> Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
> The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
> Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.

Well, Dubai is indulging in token symbolism hoping it won't invite
major sanctions. My point is, do the western countries refuse
visas
to sportsmen from well-known terroist sponsoring/ sourcing
countries 'to
show solidarity'? Or does Dubai have the guts to deny visas to US
&
British players because they foisted a war on Iraq, presumably
part
of their brotherhood?


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 23:55:33
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On 18 Feb, 07:46, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 18 Feb, 06:12, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>
> > >(not my translation)
>
> > >"From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
> > >the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
> > >benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"
>
> > >Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
> > >unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are voices
> > >calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.
>
> > >This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
> > >a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> > Look, if Dubai were slaughtering Jews do you think one of their
> > players would be welcome at a tournament in Jerusalem ?
>
> > ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> > Gimme a break. The yids want it both ways. When they slaughter people
> > and get ostracized for it they cry foul ! But, when others slaughter
> > them they want sympathy.
>
> The fact is there is lot of powerful people in media alone in the US .
>
> They tend to veer towards high positions of power in finance and in
> lot of industries and they like to keep it that way.
>
> Most of the damm bank cartel that some think are behind the whole NWO
> thing are jewish - go figure .
>
> Obama is not going to change that or they'll probably shot him like
> Kennedy

BTW - where do you think Obama got most of the money to fund his
campaign ?


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 23:54:21
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> > The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
> > playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
> > committee has nothing to do with it.
>
> > He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
> > organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
> > the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
> > avail."
>
> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. All the WTA
> needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the event
> because of her nationality.
>
>
>
> > He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
> > that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
> > related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
> > as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
> > popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
> > alot of players."
>
> > The organizers committee statement:
>
> > "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
> > the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
> > tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
> > understands her disappointment."
> > "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
> > and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
> > coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
> > protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"
>
> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decision they
> claim had nothing to do with them.
>
> > The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
> > also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
> > protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
> > stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
> > politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
> > recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
> > the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>
> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>
> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing Israel, but
> Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't be
> relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.

It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
goes way back and its deep.

Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
another path - which most dont

And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
Church - there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
they interpt it .



  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 16:37:28
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:54:21 -0800 (PST), ghell666
<matt.tippen@gmail.com > wrote:

>On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>>
>> > The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
>> > playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
>> > committee has nothing to do with it.
>>
>> > He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
>> > organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
>> > the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
>> > avail."
>>
>> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. All the WTA
>> needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the event
>> because of her nationality.
>>
>>
>>
>> > He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
>> > that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
>> > related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
>> > as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
>> > popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
>> > alot of players."
>>
>> > The organizers committee statement:
>>
>> > "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
>> > the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
>> > tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
>> > understands her disappointment."
>> > "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
>> > and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
>> > coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
>> > protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"
>>
>> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decision they
>> claim had nothing to do with them.
>>
>> > The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
>> > also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
>> > protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
>> > stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
>> > politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
>> > recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
>> > the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>>
>> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>>
>> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing Israel, but
>> Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't be
>> relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.
>
>It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
>goes way back and its deep.
>
>Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
>that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
>grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
>another path - which most dont
>
>And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
>myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
>Church - there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
>they interpt it .


Oh yes Virginia there *is* a God. Only a fool would imagine otherwise.

You may question whether God is good or evil, whether He created us
out of love or for "soul" food BUT if you think WE are the be all and
end all of the universe and the master of it, your nuts.

The beauty, intricacy and order of the universe shows otherwise.

Man, the greatest creature on earth still can not create ANY form of
life from it's physical chemical content. Why ? We can make washing
machines, rocket ships, supercomputers, etc yet we can't make a one
celled animal. Note even a bacteria let alone a finger, an eye or a
brain.

Even a pump. Take the best pump mankind ever made. Maybe out of
stainless steel, the best gasket material, the best of everything.
Then, start it pumping and let it pump with no maintenance ever. How
long do you think it would last before failing ?

I guarantee you it would never last as long as a human heart. Nowhere
close.

Ditto for joints, filters (kidneys), and just about every other part
of the human body.

And, this all happened by "accidents of nature" ? When all the money
in the world and the best scientific minds in the 21st century can't
even manage to beat "nature" on one single accomplishment ?

We can argue about who and what God is but not whether He exists.


   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 07:59:00
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
Superdave wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:54:21 -0800 (PST), ghell666
> <matt.tippen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting
>>>>> for a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>>>
>>>> The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
>>>> playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the
>>>> organizing committee has nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>>> He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
>>>> organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider
>>>> that the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best
>>>> but to no avail."
>>>
>>> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it
>>> was. All the WTA needs to consider is that Peer is not being
>>> allowed to compete in the event because of her nationality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and
>>>> circumstanses that are beyond the organizers will, just like in
>>>> this case and it is related to sovereign decisions of the country,
>>>> and it is not strange as it happened in many occasions in Europe
>>>> and elsewhere and in more popular sports like soccer in which some
>>>> countries denied visas to alot of players."
>>>
>>>> The organizers committee statement:
>>>
>>>> "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game
>>>> and the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
>>>> tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
>>>> understands her disappointment."
>>>> "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
>>>> and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the
>>>> tv coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had
>>>> seen the protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks
>>>> earlier"
>>>
>>> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the
>>> decision they claim had nothing to do with them.
>>>
>>>> The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there
>>>> were also fear for the player because her presense will lead to
>>>> similar protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the
>>>> entire stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish
>>>> to politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity
>>>> of the recent events in the region and we have to not expose the
>>>> players or the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>>>
>>> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>>>
>>> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor
>>> representing Israel, but Peer is playing for herself. That she
>>> happens to be Israeli shouldn't be relevant. She's not the one
>>> dropping the bombs on Gaza.
>>
>> It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
>> goes way back and its deep.
>>
>> Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
>> that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
>> grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
>> another path - which most dont
>>
>> And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
>> myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
>> Church - there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
>> they interpt it .
>
>
> Oh yes Virginia there *is* a God. Only a fool would imagine otherwise.
>
> You may question whether God is good or evil, whether He created us
> out of love or for "soul" food BUT if you think WE are the be all and
> end all of the universe and the master of it, your nuts.
>
> The beauty, intricacy and order of the universe shows otherwise.

No, it doesn't.

> Man, the greatest creature on earth still can not create ANY form of
> life from it's physical chemical content. Why ? We can make washing
> machines, rocket ships, supercomputers, etc yet we can't make a one
> celled animal. Note even a bacteria let alone a finger, an eye or a
> brain.
>
> Even a pump. Take the best pump mankind ever made. Maybe out of
> stainless steel, the best gasket material, the best of everything.
> Then, start it pumping and let it pump with no maintenance ever. How
> long do you think it would last before failing ?

Your point? All you've shown is that nature has created things that humans
can't. Nothing to do with God.

> I guarantee you it would never last as long as a human heart. Nowhere
> close.
>
> Ditto for joints, filters (kidneys), and just about every other part
> of the human body.
>
> And, this all happened by "accidents of nature" ? When all the money
> in the world and the best scientific minds in the 21st century can't
> even manage to beat "nature" on one single accomplishment ?
>
> We can argue about who and what God is but not whether He exists.

Yes we can. There's not a shred of hard evidence for God. All you've done is
interpret what you see around you how it suits you. That doesn't cut it as
proof.




  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:35:59
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
"ghell666" <matt.tippen@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:8135e042-36b5-4866-a45f-c9721663cd5b@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>>
>> > The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
>> > playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
>> > committee has nothing to do with it.
>>
>> > He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
>> > organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
>> > the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
>> > avail."
>>
>> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. All
>> the WTA
>> needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the
>> event
>> because of her nationality.
>>
>>
>>
>> > He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
>> > that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
>> > related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
>> > as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
>> > popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
>> > alot of players."
>>
>> > The organizers committee statement:
>>
>> > "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
>> > the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
>> > tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
>> > understands her disappointment."
>> > "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
>> > and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
>> > coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
>> > protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"
>>
>> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decision
>> they
>> claim had nothing to do with them.
>>
>> > The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
>> > also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
>> > protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
>> > stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
>> > politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
>> > recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
>> > the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>>
>> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>>
>> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing
>> Israel, but
>> Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't be
>> relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.
>
> It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
> goes way back and its deep.
>
> Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
> that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
> grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
> another path - which most dont
>
> And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
> myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
> Church - there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
> they interpt it .

let's ban every Arab player from the US Open then, because of September 11th
then. And every Irish player from Wimbledon, because of what the IRA did.



   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 16:45:52
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:35:59 GMT, "Iceberg"
<iceberg.rules@googlemail.com > wrote:

>"ghell666" <matt.tippen@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8135e042-36b5-4866-a45f-c9721663cd5b@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> On 18 Feb, 02:47, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> >> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>>> >> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>>>
>>> > The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
>>> > playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
>>> > committee has nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>> > He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
>>> > organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
>>> > the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
>>> > avail."
>>>
>>> That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. All
>>> the WTA
>>> needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the
>>> event
>>> because of her nationality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
>>> > that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
>>> > related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
>>> > as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
>>> > popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
>>> > alot of players."
>>>
>>> > The organizers committee statement:
>>>
>>> > "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
>>> > the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
>>> > tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
>>> > understands her disappointment."
>>> > "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
>>> > and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
>>> > coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
>>> > protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"
>>>
>>> Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decision
>>> they
>>> claim had nothing to do with them.
>>>
>>> > The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
>>> > also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
>>> > protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
>>> > stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
>>> > politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
>>> > recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
>>> > the fans from different nationalities to danger."
>>>
>>> Sounds like a bad excuse.
>>>
>>> I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing
>>> Israel, but
>>> Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't be
>>> relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.
>>
>> It doesnt matter , look at religion or any othe forms of hatered it
>> goes way back and its deep.
>>
>> Nearly all those problems orginally started before the time of those
>> that are currently endorsing them but beliefs are strong thing, you
>> grow up with them and they become part of you unless you choose
>> another path - which most dont
>>
>> And when you combine that with fundementalism and mix histroy with
>> myth it becomes even more powerful and dagerous i.e. look at the
>> Church - there is still no evidence for Jesus or God , at least as
>> they interpt it .
>
>let's ban every Arab player from the US Open then, because of September 11th
>then. And every Irish player from Wimbledon, because of what the IRA did.


it's not like this is a first. countries have been banning players and
teams for eons over political differences, boycotting olympics, etc.
so why the big deal over one tennis player in dubai ?

if they had held the 1944 olympics in Israel do you think the jews
would have welcomed any german athletes ?

fuck no !

or, any allies of germany !

fick no !

after your brother in law beats up your sister and throws her out of
the house would you still welcome him to dinner ?


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 23:46:23
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On 18 Feb, 06:12, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>
> >(not my translation)
>
> >"From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
> >the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
> >benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"
>
> >Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
> >unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are voices
> >calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.
>
> >This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
> >a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> Look, if Dubai were slaughtering Jews do you think one of their
> players would be welcome at a tournament in Jerusalem ?
>
> ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Gimme a break. The yids want it both ways. When they slaughter people
> and get ostracized for it they cry foul ! But, when others slaughter
> them they want sympathy.

The fact is there is lot of powerful people in media alone in the US .

They tend to veer towards high positions of power in finance and in
lot of industries and they like to keep it that way.

Most of the damm bank cartel that some think are behind the whole NWO
thing are jewish - go figure .

Obama is not going to change that or they'll probably shot him like
Kennedy


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 23:42:22
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On 18 Feb, 03:18, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >Arabs are racists.
>
> is that why the jews want them exterminated ?

: )



  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:39:22
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
"ghell666" <matt.tippen@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:8e0301f3-fd54-4db0-993b-3b6c3f36ac10@x9g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On 18 Feb, 03:18, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> >Arabs are racists.
>>
>> is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>
> : )

I thought it was the Iranians who wanted Israel wiped off the face of the
map and who cares about the 'brotherhood' of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs
living there who be killed as well.



 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 06:12:52
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>
>(not my translation)
>
>"From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
>the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
>benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"
>
>Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
>unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are voices
>calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.
>
>This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
>


Look, if Dubai were slaughtering Jews do you think one of their
players would be welcome at a tournament in Jerusalem ?

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Gimme a break. The yids want it both ways. When they slaughter people
and get ostracized for it they cry foul ! But, when others slaughter
them they want sympathy.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 08:05:43
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
Superdave wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:57 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> http://www.aljazeerasport.net/news/tennis/2009/02/20092178341711560.html
>>
>> (not my translation)
>>
>> "From my personal point of view, the non-participation of her is for
>> the good of the tournament, and even if it wasn't ; the interests/
>> benefits of the country comes above any other considerations"
>>
>> Looks like the WTA won't do much since Pe'er has said it would be
>> unfair on other players to cancel the tournament, but there are
>> voices calling for a stand to be taken against Dubai.
>>
>> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>>
>>
>
>
> Look, if Dubai were slaughtering Jews do you think one of their
> players would be welcome at a tournament in Jerusalem ?
>
> ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Gimme a break. The yids want it both ways. When they slaughter people
> and get ostracized for it they cry foul ! But, when others slaughter
> them they want sympathy.

What are you talking about? This is about one player being denied entry to a
tournament. You are doing exactly what the tournament has done - turning an
individual-player issue into a racial issue. If a tournament in Israel did the
same thing then it should be taken off the calendar too. Are you saying that
Peer _should_ be denied entry?




 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:49:56
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 6:00=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 11:19=A0pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:18=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > >Arabs are racists.
>
> > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>
> > =A0 =A0 Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
> > ago?
>
> > =A0 =A0 The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
> > =A0 =A0 event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
> > week.
> > =A0 =A0 It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
> > =A0 =A0 are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
> > =A0 =A0 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>
> > =A0 =A0 Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
> > =A0 =A0 and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
> > with
> > =A0 =A0 year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
> > marquee
> > =A0 =A0 events over this silly show of solidarity.
>
> Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
> wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing =A0more than caring
> about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
> living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
> Life is not fair.-

Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.

Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 03:13:34
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 3:50=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:55:28 -0800 (PST), Fan
>
>
>
> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 19, 9:58=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49 -0800 (PST), Fan
>
> >> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 19, 9:31=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Feb 19, 11:58=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Feb 18, 8:29=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.=
com >
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims =
Nazis 60+
> >> >> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about n=
on-stop?
>
> >> >> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes =
you an
> >> >> > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> >> >> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> >> >> > Try again:
>
> >> >> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> >> >> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> >> >> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
> >> >> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazi=
s 60+
> >> >> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-s=
top?
> >> >> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is tha=
t the
> >> >> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>
> >> >> =A0 =A0 Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing h=
undreds
> >> >> =A0 =A0 of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
> >> >> another
> >> >> =A0 =A0 country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again =
killing
> >> >> =A0 =A0 thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that countr=
y.
> >> >> =A0 =A0 How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
> >> >> =A0 =A0 event, ever? How do you explain that?
> >> >> =A0 =A0 It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a fing=
er
> >> >> against
> >> >> =A0 =A0 the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with tok=
en
> >> >> =A0 =A0 symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie poi=
nts
> >> >> =A0 =A0 with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking t=
he
> >> >> event
> >> >> =A0 =A0 away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
> >> >> principles
> >> >> =A0 =A0 are to be applied only if affordable.)-
>
> >> >The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
> >> >not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
> >> >kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
> >> >us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
> >> >None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
> >> >parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
> >> >they claim to hate, Nazis.
>
> >> My view is 100% the same.-
>
> >Thanks Hazey. Now that we are in such great agreement, could you show
> >a little respect for Nadal? Forget respect, just less venom :)
> >Did you know that he was the only tennis pro with enough guts to speak
> >up for the Palestinian children Israel was slaughtering?
>
> >I remember several talk-show hosts in my area who argued against the
> >Iraq war. The Jew lobby got one of them fired and it shut the rest up.
> >All this whining about one Jewish tennis player not being able to play
> >Dubai is disgusting soon after Israel murdered over 1300 Palestinians.
> >How about all those Palestinian children? No tennis for them, not even
> >life.
>
> Believe it or not, I actually like Rafa. I was one of the first to tip
> him here too. I don't like his tennis though i must admit he is often
> incredible as his shots always seem to go in. It's like he doesn't
> even have to try and they go in. I don't like it when he beats Fed of
> course but the reason why I rag him so much is the same as why I rag
> Sampras.
>
> Whisper.

Sure Dave. You are as big a fan of Rafa as Whisper is of Fed.
We believe you!


   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 11:57:10
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:13:34 -0800 (PST), ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 19, 3:50 pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:55:28 -0800 (PST), Fan
>>
>>
>>
>> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 19, 9:58 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49 -0800 (PST), Fan
>>
>> >> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 19, 9:31 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Feb 19, 11:58 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> >> >> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>>
>> >> >> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
>> >> >> > > uneducated buffoon.
>>
>> >> >> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>>
>> >> >> > Try again:
>>
>> >> >> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>> >> >> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>> >> >> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>> >> >> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> >> >> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>> >> >> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>> >> >> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>>
>> >> >>     Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundreds
>> >> >>     of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
>> >> >> another
>> >> >>     country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killing
>> >> >>     thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
>> >> >>     How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
>> >> >>     event, ever? How do you explain that?
>> >> >>     It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
>> >> >> against
>> >> >>     the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
>> >> >>     symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
>> >> >>     with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
>> >> >> event
>> >> >>     away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
>> >> >> principles
>> >> >>     are to be applied only if affordable.)-
>>
>> >> >The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
>> >> >not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
>> >> >kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
>> >> >us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
>> >> >None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
>> >> >parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
>> >> >they claim to hate, Nazis.
>>
>> >> My view is 100% the same.-
>>
>> >Thanks Hazey. Now that we are in such great agreement, could you show
>> >a little respect for Nadal? Forget respect, just less venom :)
>> >Did you know that he was the only tennis pro with enough guts to speak
>> >up for the Palestinian children Israel was slaughtering?
>>
>> >I remember several talk-show hosts in my area who argued against the
>> >Iraq war. The Jew lobby got one of them fired and it shut the rest up.
>> >All this whining about one Jewish tennis player not being able to play
>> >Dubai is disgusting soon after Israel murdered over 1300 Palestinians.
>> >How about all those Palestinian children? No tennis for them, not even
>> >life.
>>
>> Believe it or not, I actually like Rafa. I was one of the first to tip
>> him here too. I don't like his tennis though i must admit he is often
>> incredible as his shots always seem to go in. It's like he doesn't
>> even have to try and they go in. I don't like it when he beats Fed of
>> course but the reason why I rag him so much is the same as why I rag
>> Sampras.
>>
>> Whisper.
>
> Sure Dave. You are as big a fan of Rafa as Whisper is of Fed.
> We believe you!


I like Rafa as a person and I have always said that. I have also
always said that I don't like his tennis and all of the shinanigans he
pulls.

I was very honest about that from day one and that is still my stance.

I don't hate him at all. I just hate when he beats Roger because Roger
is a better tennis player. Elegant and not a bumrooting cockaroach.

Ya know it's a lot like Joe Frasier and Ali. Both were boxers and
Frasier beat Ali but Ali was by far the best boxer. Frasier was just a
slugger while Ali's boxing was a ballet.


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:45:18
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
"Fan" <TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:c1a771b0-3520-4629-add5-be6f0e96892b@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 6:00 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 11:19 pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 18, 8:18 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> > > >Arabs are racists.
>>
>> > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>>
>> > Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
>> > ago?
>>
>> > The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
>> > event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
>> > week.
>> > It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
>> > are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
>> > 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>>
>> > Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
>> > and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
>> > with
>> > year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
>> > marquee
>> > events over this silly show of solidarity.
>>
>> Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
>> wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing more than caring
>> about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
>> living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
>> Life is not fair.-
>
> Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>
> Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
> years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
> The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
> Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.

because the Palestinians keep sending rockets and bombing Israel nurseries
despite being repeatedly told that they're going to be bombed the crap out
of if they don't stop, YET the morons keep doing it. They have no common
sense.



  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 06:04:33
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:49:56 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 18, 6:00 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 11:19 pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 18, 8:18 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> > > >Arabs are racists.
>>
>> > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>>
>> >     Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
>> > ago?
>>
>> >     The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
>> >     event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
>> > week.
>> >     It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
>> >     are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
>> >     'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>>
>> >     Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
>> >     and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
>> > with
>> >     year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
>> > marquee
>> >     events over this silly show of solidarity.
>>
>> Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
>> wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing  more than caring
>> about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
>> living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
>> Life is not fair.-
>
>Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>
>Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.


The Jews invented Terror. Ariel Sharon "wasted" a refugee camp many
years back and was even censored for it by his own government.

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/site_packages/2002/sharon/020430sharon_crime_hist.html

Sharon is, without doubt, guilty of these crimes against humanity, and
others. He is also unrepentant. For him, these mass killings are
merely necessary steps on the path toward his objective of a "Final
Solution" to the "Palestinian problem," through the mass expulsion
and/or extermination of the more than 3 million Palestinians and Arabs
now living in Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan
Heights. Under various labels, Sharon and a rogues gallery of
collaborators inside Israel, Britain, and the United States, are now
moving toward the final phase of their "mass transfer" plans for the
Palestinians and Arabs.


   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:47:37
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
"Superdave" <the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:rr8np4hp1nd68knlo8e3opc7v6al1mpft5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:49:56 -0800 (PST), Fan
> <TurnagainArm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 18, 6:00 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 17, 11:19 pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 18, 8:18 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>> > > >Arabs are racists.
>>>
>>> > > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>>>
>>> > Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
>>> > ago?
>>>
>>> > The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
>>> > event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
>>> > week.
>>> > It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
>>> > are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
>>> > 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>>>
>>> > Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
>>> > and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
>>> > with
>>> > year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
>>> > marquee
>>> > events over this silly show of solidarity.
>>>
>>> Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
>>> wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing more than caring
>>> about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
>>> living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
>>> Life is not fair.-
>>
>>Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>>Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>>infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>>
>>Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>>years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>>The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>>Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>
>
> The Jews invented Terror. Ariel Sharon "wasted" a refugee camp many
> years back and was even censored for it by his own government.
>
> http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/site_packages/2002/sharon/020430sharon_crime_hist.html
>
> Sharon is, without doubt, guilty of these crimes against humanity, and
> others. He is also unrepentant. For him, these mass killings are
> merely necessary steps on the path toward his objective of a "Final
> Solution" to the "Palestinian problem," through the mass expulsion
> and/or extermination of the more than 3 million Palestinians and Arabs
> now living in Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan
> Heights. Under various labels, Sharon and a rogues gallery of
> collaborators inside Israel, Britain, and the United States, are now
> moving toward the final phase of their "mass transfer" plans for the
> Palestinians and Arabs.

so Israel's end plan is to own the whole of Arabia!?



 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:00:55
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 17, 11:19=A0pm, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 8:18=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > >Arabs are racists.
>
> > is that why the jews want them exterminated ?
>
> =A0 =A0 Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
> ago?
>
> =A0 =A0 The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
> =A0 =A0 event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
> week.
> =A0 =A0 It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
> =A0 =A0 are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
> =A0 =A0 'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.
>
> =A0 =A0 Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
> =A0 =A0 and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
> with
> =A0 =A0 year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
> marquee
> =A0 =A0 events over this silly show of solidarity.

Sure it does not sound fair for the players but in the same time I
wonder if it's right to worry about them not playing more than caring
about the people and children that got killed. I guess we are all here
living a good life and we don't want to have our game ruined :)
Life is not fair.


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 20:19:09
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 18, 8:18=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >Arabs are racists.
>
> is that why the jews want them exterminated ?

Or why lots of folks tried to exterminate the Jews not so long
ago?

The WTA should send a strong signal to Dubai by cancelling the
event next year and the men's too, if Andy Ram is banned next
week.
It is one thing if you deny visa to a player from a country you
are fighting a war with and quite another when you indulge in a
'war by proxy' on behalf of 'your brotherhood'.

Dubai is trying very hard to become an oil-independent economy
and a secular country (well, as far as possible in that region)
with
year-around tourist activities and cannot afford to lose such
marquee
events over this silly show of solidarity.


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 09:05:40
From:
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
>I am totally against killing anyone.
>
> My view is 100% the same.

Right. You're totally against killing anyone but you'll stand around
and watch someone else do it.




  
Date: 20 Feb 2009 10:03:30
From: Habib
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 4:04 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:12:35 -0800 (PST), ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You are missing the point again. The only reason
> > for bringing in America (& Britain) is to show that
> > Dubai is engaging in token symbolism against a
> > soft target. They don't dare to take that stand
> > against the US for starting the equally unpopular
> > Iraq war in their neighbourhood. To applaud them
> > for being 'principled' and 'standing for human rights'
> > is being plain stoopid.
>
> Israel is wrong. Period. They will never have peace until they realize
> they have to compromise to get it.

Sure. Israel has never attempted to compromise with its neighbors.
That's why they still control all the land they captured during the
'67 war.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 01:55:28
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
On Feb 19, 9:58=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49 -0800 (PST), Fan
>
>
>
>
>
> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 19, 9:31=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 19, 11:58=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Feb 18, 8:29=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com=
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Naz=
is 60+
> >> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-=
stop?
>
> >> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you=
an
> >> > > uneducated buffoon.
>
> >> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>
> >> > Try again:
>
> >> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
> >> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
> >> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
> >> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 6=
0+
> >> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop=
?
> >> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that t=
he
> >> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>
> >> =A0 =A0 Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hund=
reds
> >> =A0 =A0 of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
> >> another
> >> =A0 =A0 country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again kil=
ling
> >> =A0 =A0 thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
> >> =A0 =A0 How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
> >> =A0 =A0 event, ever? How do you explain that?
> >> =A0 =A0 It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
> >> against
> >> =A0 =A0 the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
> >> =A0 =A0 symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
> >> =A0 =A0 with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
> >> event
> >> =A0 =A0 away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
> >> principles
> >> =A0 =A0 are to be applied only if affordable.)-
>
> >The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
> >not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
> >kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
> >us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
> >None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
> >parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
> >they claim to hate, Nazis.
>
> My view is 100% the same.-

Thanks Hazey. Now that we are in such great agreement, could you show
a little respect for Nadal? Forget respect, just less venom :)
Did you know that he was the only tennis pro with enough guts to speak
up for the Palestinian children Israel was slaughtering?

I remember several talk-show hosts in my area who argued against the
Iraq war. The Jew lobby got one of them fired and it shut the rest up.
All this whining about one Jewish tennis player not being able to play
Dubai is disgusting soon after Israel murdered over 1300 Palestinians.
How about all those Palestinian children? No tennis for them, not even
life.



   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:50:55
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:55:28 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 19, 9:58 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:50:49 -0800 (PST), Fan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 19, 9:31 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Feb 19, 11:58 am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Feb 18, 8:29 pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Feb 17, 9:49 pm, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> >> > > > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>>
>> >> > > It's not hard to believe it, it's just that believing it makes you an
>> >> > > uneducated buffoon.
>>
>> >> > Does the truth hurt so much?
>>
>> >> > Try again:
>>
>> >> > Pretending that the brutal assault on Gaza, murdering over 1300
>> >> > Palestinians, over 400 children, destroying over 20,000 homes and
>> >> > infrastructure did not happen is the height of anti-Arab racism.
>> >> > Why is it so hard to believe that those who were the victims Nazis 60+
>> >> > years ago have become worse than the Nazis they whine about non-stop?
>> >> > The only difference between the Jew Nazis and German Nazis is that the
>> >> > Germans speak German and the Jews speak Hebrew.
>>
>> >>     Ok. Name the country that nuked 2 major *cities*, killing hundreds
>> >>     of thousands of innocent civilians *and* started a war with
>> >> another
>> >>     country on faked evidence that it is building nukes, again killing
>> >>     thousands of innocent civilians and devastating that country.
>> >>     How many athletes of that country have been banned from any
>> >>     event, ever? How do you explain that?
>> >>     It's political convenience, stupid. No one can raise a finger
>> >> against
>> >>     the mighty US of A but Dubai is hoping to get away with token
>> >>     symbolism of banning an Israeli athlete to earn brownie points
>> >>     with their brethren. I hope the WTA punishes it by taking the
>> >> event
>> >>     away, if only for one year. (The WTA needs money too and
>> >> principles
>> >>     are to be applied only if affordable.)-
>>
>> >The problem with your anti-American tirade is that most Americans did
>> >not support the US government war against Iraq and public pressure
>> >kept Bush and his Jews from attacking Iran. Bush and his Jews lied to
>> >us to get us into the Iraq war. I am totally against killing anyone.
>> >None of your blabbering has anything to do with my post about the
>> >parallels between the German Nazis that the Jews became that which
>> >they claim to hate, Nazis.
>>
>> My view is 100% the same.-
>
>Thanks Hazey. Now that we are in such great agreement, could you show
>a little respect for Nadal? Forget respect, just less venom :)
>Did you know that he was the only tennis pro with enough guts to speak
>up for the Palestinian children Israel was slaughtering?
>
>I remember several talk-show hosts in my area who argued against the
>Iraq war. The Jew lobby got one of them fired and it shut the rest up.
>All this whining about one Jewish tennis player not being able to play
>Dubai is disgusting soon after Israel murdered over 1300 Palestinians.
>How about all those Palestinian children? No tennis for them, not even
>life.


Believe it or not, I actually like Rafa. I was one of the first to tip
him here too. I don't like his tennis though i must admit he is often
incredible as his shots always seem to go in. It's like he doesn't
even have to try and they go in. I don't like it when he beats Fed of
course but the reason why I rag him so much is the same as why I rag
Sampras.

Whisper.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
Arabs are racists.


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 03:18:38
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:16:01 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote:

>Arabs are racists.


is that why the jews want them exterminated ?


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 17:55:03
From:
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the
> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
> a visa for next week which may not be granted.

The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
committee has nothing to do with it.

He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
avail."
He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
alot of players."

The organizers committee statement:

"The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
understands her disappointment."
"The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"

The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
the fans from different nationalities to danger."



  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 13:47:32
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Dubai tournament director: Pe'er's non-participation "for the good of the tournament"
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> This could apply to the mens event as well as Andy Ram is waiting for
>> a visa for next week which may not be granted.
>
> The tournament director considered the decision to forbid Peer from
> playing is in respect to sovereign decisions and that the organizing
> committee has nothing to do with it.
>
> He said "the decision came from competent authorities and the
> organizing committee had no rule in it, the WTA should consider that
> the situation is beyond the organizers who tried their best but to no
> avail."

That's really not relevant. It doesn't matter whose decision it was. All the WTA
needs to consider is that Peer is not being allowed to compete in the event
because of her nationality.

> He added "to every tournament there are exceptions and circumstanses
> that are beyond the organizers will, just like in this case and it is
> related to sovereign decisions of the country, and it is not strange
> as it happened in many occasions in Europe and elsewhere and in more
> popular sports like soccer in which some countries denied visas to
> alot of players."
>
> The organizers committee statement:
>
> "The Dubai tournament is from the faithful supporters of the game and
> the WTA and respects the laws and regulations of it's tour. The
> tournament also respects Shahar Peer as a professional player and
> understands her disappointment."
> "The angry feelings of the masses in the Middle East are still high
> and Peer's participation would affect the public who followed the tv
> coverage of the recent attacks on Gaza, also Peer herself had seen the
> protests against her in New Zealand tournament weeks earlier"

Now they are contradicting themselves. They are justifying the decision they
claim had nothing to do with them.

> The statement suggested that there safty/security reasons "there were
> also fear for the player because her presense will lead to similar
> protests and it's possible for the protesters to sweep the entire
> stadium" the statement concluded by saying "we didn't wish to
> politicize the sport but we have to be aware of the sensiblity of the
> recent events in the region and we have to not expose the players or
> the fans from different nationalities to danger."

Sounds like a bad excuse.

I could understand this if it were a team or competitor representing Israel, but
Peer is playing for herself. That she happens to be Israeli shouldn't be
relevant. She's not the one dropping the bombs on Gaza.