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Date: 25 Jan 2009 23:19:58
From: Shakes
Subject: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
From what I have seen so far, Fed needs to flatten his shots a little
more. The few times he did that last year (4th and part of 5th sets in
the wim F, USO SF and F), he looked very good.

Also, while his first serve is mostly excellent, I think he can add
more punch to his second serve. I noticed that his second serve, esp.
in the ad-court, is almost always a kicker to the far corner. He could
mix it up a little bit more with a few flat one down the T. I also
find it odd that nobody uses the body serve that much these days. I
think it is very useful and is under-utilized.

It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).







 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 14:09:52
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 26, 3:57=A0pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 11:46 pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2117a63f-a0f2-428b-8461-520c6957221b@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> > > manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> > > sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>
> > Bullshit. Lately his movement has been excellent. Stop with the old can=
ards.
>
> excellent compared to last year, not at the level of 2004-2006. That's
> what I meant. It's part of the aging process, but it's something he
> needs to address - =A0 in a yr at least, if not right now.

Federer changes his strokes and serve based on the surface and his
opponent.


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:06:14
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 26, 3:45 am, bg <ecy0...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 12:19 pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote:> From what I have seen so far, Fed needs to flatten his shots a little
> > more. The few times he did that last year (4th and part of 5th sets in
> > the wim F, USO SF and F), he looked very good.
>
> Yes this is very true, especially his BH side. He hardly hits down the
> line on either side as frequently as he used to in 2004-06. I think
> this over-conservative attitude of his first appeared in 2007 Wim.
>

I think it evolved during his efforts to bag the FO. Probably, at the
time, he thought that was all he needed.

> > Also, while his first serve is mostly excellent, I think he can add
> > more punch to his second serve. I noticed that his second serve, esp.
> > in the ad-court, is almost always a kicker to the far corner. He could
> > mix it up a little bit more with a few flat one down the T. I also
> > find it odd that nobody uses the body serve that much these days. I
> > think it is very useful and is under-utilized.
>
> Especially for Federer since Nadal and Murray have used this body
> serve very effectively against him.
>

Exactly. Esp. given Nadal's FH grip, it makes sense to cramp him up.

> > It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> > manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> > sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>
> Natural aging process i suppose.
>
> bg

Yes, he will probably have to address that as well because it's clear
that he will find it more and more difficult to match Nadal, Djok,
Murray etc. from the baseline. They are at least as fast and
consistent, if not more so.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 22:17:27
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
Shakes wrote:
> On Jan 26, 3:45 am, bg <ecy0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 12:19 pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote:> From what I have seen so far, Fed needs to flatten his shots a little
>>> more. The few times he did that last year (4th and part of 5th sets in
>>> the wim F, USO SF and F), he looked very good.
>> Yes this is very true, especially his BH side. He hardly hits down the
>> line on either side as frequently as he used to in 2004-06. I think
>> this over-conservative attitude of his first appeared in 2007 Wim.
>>
>
> I think it evolved during his efforts to bag the FO. Probably, at the
> time, he thought that was all he needed.
>
>>> Also, while his first serve is mostly excellent, I think he can add
>>> more punch to his second serve. I noticed that his second serve, esp.
>>> in the ad-court, is almost always a kicker to the far corner. He could
>>> mix it up a little bit more with a few flat one down the T. I also
>>> find it odd that nobody uses the body serve that much these days. I
>>> think it is very useful and is under-utilized.
>> Especially for Federer since Nadal and Murray have used this body
>> serve very effectively against him.
>>
>
> Exactly. Esp. given Nadal's FH grip, it makes sense to cramp him up.
>

It is easier to do that to a Blake (who crowds the baseline) than a
Murray or a Nadal.

Against Verdasco, Murray frequently started well behind the Melbourne
sign. He does move in to contact the ball not too far from the baseline.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 12:57:49
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 25, 11:46 pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2117a63f-a0f2-428b-8461-520c6957221b@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> > manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> > sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>
> Bullshit. Lately his movement has been excellent. Stop with the old canards.

excellent compared to last year, not at the level of 2004-2006. That's
what I meant. It's part of the aging process, but it's something he
needs to address - in a yr at least, if not right now.


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 03:45:49
From: bg
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 26, 12:19=A0pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
> From what I have seen so far, Fed needs to flatten his shots a little
> more. The few times he did that last year (4th and part of 5th sets in
> the wim F, USO SF and F), he looked very good.
>
Yes this is very true, especially his BH side. He hardly hits down the
line on either side as frequently as he used to in 2004-06. I think
this over-conservative attitude of his first appeared in 2007 Wim.

> Also, while his first serve is mostly excellent, I think he can add
> more punch to his second serve. I noticed that his second serve, esp.
> in the ad-court, is almost always a kicker to the far corner. He could
> mix it up a little bit more with a few flat one down the T. I also
> find it odd that nobody uses the body serve that much these days. I
> think it is very useful and is under-utilized.
>

Especially for Federer since Nadal and Murray have used this body
serve very effectively against him.

> It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).

Natural aging process i suppose.

bg


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 23:51:06
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 25, 11:46=A0pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2117a63f-a0f2-428b-8461-520c6957221b@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> > manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> > sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>
> Bullshit. Lately his movement has been excellent. Stop with the old canar=
ds.

++ Exactly! Feds defensive speed held him in until his game came on
line...

P


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 08:45:40
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
"Patrick Kehoe" <pkehoe@telus.net > wrote in message
news:7d347b66-6499-4aed-becc-f8448134eb71@r41g2000prr.googlegroups.com...

>>>++ Exactly! Feds defensive speed held him in until his game came on
line...

P
<<<<

++++ Yes. Finally someone takes the blinders off. Fed's defense literally
saved him in this match. Only haters would say he's old and slow.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 23:50:23
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
On Jan 26, 2:46=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2117a63f-a0f2-428b-8461-520c6957221b@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> > manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> > sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>
> Bullshit. Lately his movement has been excellent. Stop with the old canar=
ds.

Yes, except for the Berdych match. It just might be an offday like
his 4th round against Andreev (where his footwork was HORRIBLE).


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:46:19
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Fed needs more depth on his shots ...
"Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:2117a63f-a0f2-428b-8461-520c6957221b@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> It's clear that his footspeed is not what it used to be. He cannot
> manufacture shots that he used to with great frequency bcos he's
> sometimes late to the ball (esp. when running to his FH).
>


Bullshit. Lately his movement has been excellent. Stop with the old canards.