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Date: 29 Jan 2009 04:00:56
From: MBDunc
Subject: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.

At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
once in slams.

Total ace counts from h2h stats. (source Atp tennis.com : player h2h
stats + AO 2009 SF stats).

Fed 197 aces.
Roddick 156 aces.

They have met at slams 7 times and the relative difference is much
bigger.

Fed 99 aces
Roddick 52 aces.

.mikko




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:09:10
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings


Petter Solbu wrote:

>
> Yes, I would rather see it explicitly. The aces are also counted as a
> winner, right? Not just the service winner with a forced error?
>
> PS.

These days aces are lumped in with the rest
of the winners, afaik, although we do get the 'ace' stat
separately also- but not the old 'service winner',
where the receiver does at least touch the ball-
not that I've seen lately anyway. As I said, the latter
is/ was a useful stat.





 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:33:59
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings


Petter Solbu wrote
>
> Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
> important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
> unfortunately it doesn't exist.
>
> PS.

Of course aces are relevant, as are forced errors.
Forced errors on returns (a ball touched but not
returned to opponent's court) were once tallied separately, and called
service winners, as distinguished from aces. It's a useful stat, and
I'm sure
some sources still tally it. The more recent trend is to
lump all winners together. Unfortunate.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:14:22
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
Carey wrote:

> Of course aces are relevant, as are forced errors.
> Forced errors on returns (a ball touched but not
> returned to opponent's court) were once tallied separately, and called
> service winners, as distinguished from aces. It's a useful stat, and
> I'm sure
> some sources still tally it. The more recent trend is to
> lump all winners together. Unfortunate.

Yes, I would rather see it explicitly. The aces are also counted as a
winner, right? Not just the service winner with a forced error?

PS.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 14:03:08
From: Yama
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
MBDunc <michaelb@mail.suomi.net > wrote:
: Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.

: At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
: once in slams.

This is how Roddick's press conference began:

Q. First time Roger ever out-aced you in a tournament.

ANDY RODDICK: In a tournament?

Q. Sixteen aces.

ANDY RODDICK: Okay.
-------------------




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:53:58
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
On 29 jan, 14:20, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> MBDunc wrote:
> > Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.
>
> > At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
> > once in slams.
>
> > Total ace counts from h2h stats. (source Atp tennis.com : player h2h
> > stats + AO 2009 SF stats).
>
> > Fed 197 aces.
> > Roddick 156 aces.
>
> > They have met at slams 7 times and the relative difference is much
> > bigger.
>
> > Fed 99 aces
> > Roddick 52 aces.
>
> > .mikko
>
> Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
> important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
> unfortunately it doesn't exist.

Looks to me like Fed can up his return game and reduce those forced
errors. Somehow he gets the returns in play in crucial games against
Roddick and then the pressure is obviously on Roddick's shoulders to
play near perfect tennis to win points.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:28:19
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
On 29 Jan, 13:20, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
> important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
> unfortunately it doesn't exist.

A lot of the "forced errors" on returns when Roddick plays Fed is
because Fed's placement is so damn good; in fact his placement on
serve seems to become better with age. Roddick OTOH serves faster but
not as close to the lines/corners, hence making it easier for Fed to
return his serve.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 15:12:51
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
Wayne wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 13:20, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
>> important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
>> unfortunately it doesn't exist.
>
> A lot of the "forced errors" on returns when Roddick plays Fed is
> because Fed's placement is so damn good; in fact his placement on
> serve seems to become better with age. Roddick OTOH serves faster but
> not as close to the lines/corners, hence making it easier for Fed to
> return his serve.

Yes, that is why Fed is hitting more aces. Andy gets more forced errors
from Fed. But no one really cares about aces. A service winner is a
service winner.

PS.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:22:10
From:
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
On Jan 29, 8:20=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> MBDunc wrote:
> > Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.
>
> > At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
> > once in slams.
>
> > Total ace counts from h2h stats. (source Atp tennis.com : player h2h
> > stats + AO 2009 SF stats).
>
> > Fed 197 aces.
> > Roddick 156 aces.
>
> > They have met at slams 7 times and the relative difference is much
> > bigger.
>
> > Fed 99 aces
> > Roddick 52 aces.
>
> > .mikko
>
> Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
> important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
> unfortunately it doesn't exist.
>
> PS.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My sentiments exactly.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 14:20:30
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings
MBDunc wrote:
> Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.
>
> At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
> once in slams.
>
> Total ace counts from h2h stats. (source Atp tennis.com : player h2h
> stats + AO 2009 SF stats).
>
> Fed 197 aces.
> Roddick 156 aces.
>
> They have met at slams 7 times and the relative difference is much
> bigger.
>
> Fed 99 aces
> Roddick 52 aces.
>
> .mikko

Aces are not that relevant. Forced errors on returns are much more
important. If you check that statistic you will get another result, but
unfortunately it doesn't exist.

PS.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 04:22:18
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Fed vs Roddick - Ace stats from their h2h meetings


MBDunc wrote:
> Now Fed vs Roddick h2h is 16-2.
>
> At their meetings Roddick has outaced Fed only three times and not
> once in slams.
>
> Total ace counts from h2h stats. (source Atp tennis.com : player h2h
> stats + AO 2009 SF stats).
>
> Fed 197 aces.
> Roddick 156 aces.
>
> They have met at slams 7 times and the relative difference is much
> bigger.
>
> Fed 99 aces
> Roddick 52 aces.
>
> .mikko

So Federer has served almost twice as many aces as
Roddick has, in their Major matches. hmm.

Do you know offhand if service winners (or, as some
people are calling them these days, "unreturnables")
are listed also?