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Date: 25 Jan 2009 00:24:32
From: akamai
Subject: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
is taking him out.




 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 09:21:26
From: akamai
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 11:10 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 9:59 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > > On Jan 25, 3:24 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> > >> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> > >> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> > >> is taking him out.
>
> > > Of course he wont. All his AO slam wins were on RA. Plexicushion is
> > > different. Doesnt favor Fed like RA did. Its slower.
>
> > Against Berdych in yesterday's form he would prefer an even slower
> > surface. So based on the results so far I disagree.
>
> > PS.
>
> I like Fed to win but I do not see it. The reason is the surface is
> slower than US open. You need to generate a lot of your pace and
> flatter you hit the better. So, Fed needs to be swinging for fences
> most of the time but I doubt it. Djok is much better at moving, can
> keep the rallies longer on this type of court and also hit out. So, an
> unfavorable matchup for Fed on a surface like this one.
>
> BTW, against a guy like Berdych, Fed needs a fast court so he can hit
> a couple of great shots and win the point outright. Otherwise, he is
> always in danger of a guy like Berdych taking huge cuts at his
> backhand floaters.

Something else that I saw is when Fed was serving for the 3rd set,
nerves got him for the first couple of points. I think he lost them
too. I could practically see Fed fumble the balls he was holding
coming to serve, barely able to put the ball over the net even when he
had all the time in the world:-( I worry when he faces BPs against
Djok, Murray/Rafa, it will not be nice.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 09:10:28
From: akamai
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 9:59 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > On Jan 25, 3:24 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> >> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> >> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> >> is taking him out.
>
> > Of course he wont. All his AO slam wins were on RA. Plexicushion is
> > different. Doesnt favor Fed like RA did. Its slower.
>
> Against Berdych in yesterday's form he would prefer an even slower
> surface. So based on the results so far I disagree.
>
> PS.

I like Fed to win but I do not see it. The reason is the surface is
slower than US open. You need to generate a lot of your pace and
flatter you hit the better. So, Fed needs to be swinging for fences
most of the time but I doubt it. Djok is much better at moving, can
keep the rallies longer on this type of court and also hit out. So, an
unfavorable matchup for Fed on a surface like this one.

BTW, against a guy like Berdych, Fed needs a fast court so he can hit
a couple of great shots and win the point outright. Otherwise, he is
always in danger of a guy like Berdych taking huge cuts at his
backhand floaters.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:20:09
From:
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 3:24=A0am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com > wrote:
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.

Of course he wont. All his AO slam wins were on RA. Plexicushion is
different. Doesnt favor Fed like RA did. Its slower.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 16:59:39
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
Arancione@selin.com wrote:
> On Jan 25, 3:24 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> is taking him out.
>
> Of course he wont. All his AO slam wins were on RA. Plexicushion is
> different. Doesnt favor Fed like RA did. Its slower.

Against Berdych in yesterday's form he would prefer an even slower
surface. So based on the results so far I disagree.

PS.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:05:37
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 7:25=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:19:46 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>
> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 25, 3:27=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 25, 2:24=A0am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks t=
he
> >> > depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, h=
e
> >> > is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djo=
k
> >> > is taking him out.
>
> >> Well, Fed looked equally impotent against Andreev at the US Open. It
> >> might have just been a bad day...
>
> >He looked bad against Muller too at that same tournament and then
> >turned it on against his two toughest
> >opponents in the last 2 rounds, so it would be dumb to count Fed out.
>
> NEVER count Fed out of anything until the last ball is struck EVER.

Last year's FO final?


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 16:35:17
From: Bink B
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 25, 7:25 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:19:46 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>>
>> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 25, 3:27 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 25, 2:24 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>>>>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>>>>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>>>>> is taking him out.

Yes. To be honest I Think Fed does not like this newer surface.
Something about it is not kind to his game.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:04:21
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 7:26=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:52:02 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
>
>
>
>
>
> <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 25, 4:41=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> jingus wrote:
> >> > Whisper wrote:
>
> >> >> I still think only Rafa can take him. =A0If Fed plays the way he di=
d v
> >> >> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.
>
> >> > it sounds like you've never heard of a player named andy murray...
>
> >> I have doubts Murray will beat Rafa in 2 successive slam semis - havin=
g
> >> said that he certainly has the ability, but on this occasion I feel Ra=
fa
> >> will be really up for the match.
>
> >They'd both be jacked up for it. First off, they both have tough roads
> >ahead just to get there. If they both go
> >into the match reasonably fresh, I think Murray's game is just more
> >suited to hard courts than Rafa's and that would be the difference,
> >especially his ability to flatten out the backhand and serve bigger.
>
> i think murray is the ONLY one with a chance to beat Federer in the
> final.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course. And if Nadal wins it was only because he cheated, picked
his ass, etc.

I already know the broken record.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 01:52:02
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 4:41=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> jingus wrote:
> > Whisper wrote:
>
> >> I still think only Rafa can take him. =A0If Fed plays the way he did v
> >> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.
>
> > it sounds like you've never heard of a player named andy murray...
>
> I have doubts Murray will beat Rafa in 2 successive slam semis - having
> said that he certainly has the ability, but on this occasion I feel Rafa
> will be really up for the match.

They'd both be jacked up for it. First off, they both have tough roads
ahead just to get there. If they both go
into the match reasonably fresh, I think Murray's game is just more
suited to hard courts than Rafa's and that would be the difference,
especially his ability to flatten out the backhand and serve bigger.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 12:26:44
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:52:02 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 25, 4:41 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> jingus wrote:
>> > Whisper wrote:
>>
>> >> I still think only Rafa can take him.  If Fed plays the way he did v
>> >> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.
>>
>> > it sounds like you've never heard of a player named andy murray...
>>
>> I have doubts Murray will beat Rafa in 2 successive slam semis - having
>> said that he certainly has the ability, but on this occasion I feel Rafa
>> will be really up for the match.
>
>They'd both be jacked up for it. First off, they both have tough roads
>ahead just to get there. If they both go
>into the match reasonably fresh, I think Murray's game is just more
>suited to hard courts than Rafa's and that would be the difference,
>especially his ability to flatten out the backhand and serve bigger.


i think murray is the ONLY one with a chance to beat Federer in the
final.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 01:32:37
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 4:12=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> akamai wrote:
> > To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> > depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> > is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> > is taking him out.
>
> I still think only Rafa can take him. =A0If Fed plays the way he did v
> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.

And even when Fed plays so-called *long* matches, they take around 3
hours or so.

His match with Berdych lasted the same amount as Porto's match with
Cilic, so no edge whatsover
to the opponent in terms of freshness.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 20:20:46
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
akamai wrote:
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.

No, you're making it too complicated. He just doesn't like warm day matches at
the AO. (So he better hope he doesn't get another; the heat is coming.)





  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 12:27:39
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:20:46 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>akamai wrote:
>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> is taking him out.
>
>No, you're making it too complicated. He just doesn't like warm day matches at
>the AO. (So he better hope he doesn't get another; the heat is coming.)
>


fucking aussies and their cheap school holidays at the expense of the
health of the players.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 01:19:46
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 3:27=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2:24=A0am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> > depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> > is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> > is taking him out.
>
> Well, Fed looked equally impotent against Andreev at the US Open. It
> might have just been a bad day...

He looked bad against Muller too at that same tournament and then
turned it on against his two toughest
opponents in the last 2 rounds, so it would be dumb to count Fed out.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 12:25:41
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:19:46 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 25, 3:27 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 25, 2:24 am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> > depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> > is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> > is taking him out.
>>
>> Well, Fed looked equally impotent against Andreev at the US Open. It
>> might have just been a bad day...
>
>He looked bad against Muller too at that same tournament and then
>turned it on against his two toughest
>opponents in the last 2 rounds, so it would be dumb to count Fed out.


NEVER count Fed out of anything until the last ball is struck EVER.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 20:12:07
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
akamai wrote:
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.


I still think only Rafa can take him. If Fed plays the way he did v
Safin he won't lose to anyone else.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 15:35:23
From:
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > writes:

> akamai wrote:
>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> is taking him out.

Del Pot and Djok are entirely different games than Berdy. Difficult
matches they will be, though.

>
> I still think only Rafa can take him.

Ditto. And that'll be another one for the Naughties.

> If Fed plays the way he did v
> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.

Ditto.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 03:21:36
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
Whisper wrote:
>
> I still think only Rafa can take him. If Fed plays the way he did v
> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.
>

it sounds like you've never heard of a player named andy murray...


   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 20:41:28
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
jingus wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>>
>> I still think only Rafa can take him. If Fed plays the way he did v
>> Safin he won't lose to anyone else.
>>
>
> it sounds like you've never heard of a player named andy murray...



I have doubts Murray will beat Rafa in 2 successive slam semis - having
said that he certainly has the ability, but on this occasion I feel Rafa
will be really up for the match.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 00:53:11
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 1:24=A0pm, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com > wrote:
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.

JMDP is very good at beating people ranked below him
but is equally proficient at losing to those ranked above.
So I don't expect JMDP to oust Fed. Djoker has done
it before (though vs MonoFed) and so is clearly capable.

As incredible as Rafa has played so far, I do think both
Monfils & Simon can beat him, as obviously Murray & Tsonga.
I think Fed is more likely to reach the final than Rafa.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 09:05:53
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:53:11 -0800 (PST), ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 25, 1:24 pm, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> is taking him out.
>
> JMDP is very good at beating people ranked below him
> but is equally proficient at losing to those ranked above.
> So I don't expect JMDP to oust Fed. Djoker has done
> it before (though vs MonoFed) and so is clearly capable.
>
> As incredible as Rafa has played so far, I do think both
> Monfils & Simon can beat him, as obviously Murray & Tsonga.
> I think Fed is more likely to reach the final than Rafa.


and i think if Fed makes the final the only one with a chance of
beating him is Murray. nobody else. especially Rafa. but it would be
very fitting and storybook like if Fed won his 14th beating Rafa.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 03:29:15
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
No other player is hitting the ball like Berdych, and no one will have the
success rate Berdych had today including Berdych himself in his future
matches.
Also Berdych lost today.


"akamai" <akamai.nakuma@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:44386b57-fbd0-4d53-91e1-c00128c8e175@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.




 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 00:27:16
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Jan 25, 2:24=A0am, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com > wrote:
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.

Well, Fed looked equally impotent against Andreev at the US Open. It
might have just been a bad day...


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 08:26:26
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
"akamai" <akamai.nakuma@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:44386b57-fbd0-4d53-91e1-c00128c8e175@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
> is taking him out.


Keep dreaming, neither of them hits through the court like Berdych.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 08:33:25
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed won't win this Aussie Open
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:26:26 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote:

>"akamai" <akamai.nakuma@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44386b57-fbd0-4d53-91e1-c00128c8e175@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> To win on this court, one needs to consistently hit out. Fed lacks the
>> depth and power on the backhand normally and looks like this time, he
>> is not getting much on his forehand either. I think Del Potro or Djok
>> is taking him out.
>
>
>Keep dreaming, neither of them hits through the court like Berdych.


yup that's right. maybe only gonzo or safin come close.