tennis-forum.net
Promoting tennis discussion.

Main
Date: 18 Jan 2009 13:46:31
From: wkhedr
Subject: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-players-not-better-than-stars-yesteryear-$1261728.htm

Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
are not better than the players he started his career playing against.

Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
and Andy Murray.

Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
Federer.

"I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
Federer.

"We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
about what happened two years ago.

"I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
were there before, but there were just different names."

Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.




 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 04:06:42
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 19, 8:56=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> "MBDunc" <micha...@mail.suomi.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2cd0f68d-8981-4d5f-9c44-a28691a199cc@m16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 19 tammi, 08:44, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> MBDunc wrote:
> >> > On 19 tammi, 06:15, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> wkhedr wrote:
> >> >>>http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-play=
er...
> >> >>> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of
> >> >>> players
> >> >>> are not better than the players he started his career playing
> >> >>> against.
> >> >> For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.
>
> >> > Isn't it opposite? (as you declared clown era ended last year when
> >> > Djoko won AO 08. New tune? New doublestandads?).
>
> >> I wouldn't have said that - more something like it's good to see anoth=
er
> >> guy stepping up & really wanting to win rather than take the cheque &
> >> fuck-off Denko type.
>
> > How many more you need (as recently Djoko and Murray definitely are
> > players with an attitude you have seeked?)
>
> > Remember that during Sampras' era there were also top players who just
> > rolled over against Sampras mentally (Kafelnikov, Ivanisevic and
> > Courier after =A093). All these players have miserable records against
> > Sampras.
>
> > Becker gave it all but came up short as Sampras was either equal or
> > notch better in all categories. Agassi had a chance but had matchup
> > issues with Pete. Then we had Chang who was no quitter but had no
> > tools.
>
> > Actually you needed new (fearless) generation to really match with
> > Sampras...and that happened with Safin/Hewitt...and as a lesser
> > example, Kuerten.
>
> > Similarly Fed has now new generation to battle against (Djoko, Murray
> > + may be Potro). Every great has had his blakes, gilberts (what 0-15
> > against Lendl), gerulaitises (2-33? combined against Borg/Connors) who
> > have been just cannon fodder for the top dog but yet stayed in top10
> > for long time.
>
> > What Fed in addition has is very strong rival (Nadal) who can gave all
> > the trouble for Fed. Sampras had fluctuating (but great) Agassi who
> > could not solve their relative matchup issue.
>
> > .mikko
>
> RST needs more poster like you, Mikko. =A0We don't need fan fuckers and h=
aters
> like
> Whispy, Professor, Ground Ass, TT etc.

what so you only dislike anti-federer trolls ?? Where is the balance??

what about Giovanna and Hazelnut, they are Feddy fascists, who would
happily see the end of rafa. Whereas I actually want Federer to
continue playing - outside of the top 100.


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 00:18:43
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 19, 12:39=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 18, 11:01=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player.=
..
>
> > > Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of player=
s
> > > are not better than the players he started his career playing against=
.
>
> > > Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult tha=
n
> > > before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> > > because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> > > and Andy Murray.
>
> > > Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> > > year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> > > Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> > > Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> > > Federer.
>
> > > "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a toug=
h
> > > generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> > > don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> > > Federer.
>
> > > "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all thes=
e
> > > other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> > > about what happened two years ago.
>
> > > "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> > > It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> > > were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> > > Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> > > world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> > > got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start wit=
h
> > > victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.
>
> > lol he brought it up himself. He must now realise that he played
> > against CLOWNS, but doesn't have the heart to admit it.
>
> He brought it up himself?
>
> "Hey all, urgent press conference required now! Just to clarify that I
> didn't dominate in a clown era!"

yes... well the article doesn't show the question being asked though
lmao!


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 00:17:56
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 11:55=A0pm, Trevor Smithson <trevor_smith...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>
> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>
>
>
>
>
> >Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His argum=
ent
> >is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players tha=
t
> >were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>
> >Federer vs Roddick =3D 15 wins from 17 matches
>
> >Federer vs Hewitt=3D 14 wins from 22 matches
>
> >Federer vs Davydenko=3D 12 wins from 12 matches
>
> >Federer vs Ljubicic=3D 12 wins from 15 matches
>
> >Federer vs Ferrer=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> >Federer vs Robredo=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. =A0Not so hot.
>
>
>
> >Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>
> >Federer vs Nadal=3D 6 wins from 18 matches
>
> >Federer vs Murray=3D 2 wins from 7 matches
>
> >Federer vs Djokovic=3D 7 wins from 9 matches
>
> >Federer vs Simon=3D 0 wins from 2 matches
>
> 3-0 vs Del Potro.
> 4-0 vs Monfils
>
>
>
> >He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not chan=
ged
> >dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
> >cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just a=
n
> >r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.

feds wins against those guys came while they are still improving
DUH!!. Not like robredo/hewitt shit that had already peaked when
thrashed. + you are NOT comparing like with like

Roddick/Hewitt e.t.c were the top players of feds gen behind fed.
Delpotty/Monfills are NOT the top players of this generation.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 23:20:59
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On 19 tammi, 08:44, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> MBDunc wrote:
> > On 19 tammi, 06:15, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> wkhedr wrote:
> >>>http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
> >>> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> >>> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
> >> For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.
>
> > Isn't it opposite? (as you declared clown era ended last year when
> > Djoko won AO 08. New tune? New doublestandads?).
>
> I wouldn't have said that - more something like it's good to see another
> guy stepping up & really wanting to win rather than take the cheque &
> fuck-off Denko type.

How many more you need (as recently Djoko and Murray definitely are
players with an attitude you have seeked?)

Remember that during Sampras' era there were also top players who just
rolled over against Sampras mentally (Kafelnikov, Ivanisevic and
Courier after 93). All these players have miserable records against
Sampras.

Becker gave it all but came up short as Sampras was either equal or
notch better in all categories. Agassi had a chance but had matchup
issues with Pete. Then we had Chang who was no quitter but had no
tools.

Actually you needed new (fearless) generation to really match with
Sampras...and that happened with Safin/Hewitt...and as a lesser
example, Kuerten.

Similarly Fed has now new generation to battle against (Djoko, Murray
+ may be Potro). Every great has had his blakes, gilberts (what 0-15
against Lendl), gerulaitises (2-33? combined against Borg/Connors) who
have been just cannon fodder for the top dog but yet stayed in top10
for long time.

What Fed in addition has is very strong rival (Nadal) who can gave all
the trouble for Fed. Sampras had fluctuating (but great) Agassi who
could not solve their relative matchup issue.

.mikko



  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 19:56:20
From: john
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear

"MBDunc" <michaelb@mail.suomi.net > wrote in message
news:2cd0f68d-8981-4d5f-9c44-a28691a199cc@m16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 tammi, 08:44, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> MBDunc wrote:
>> > On 19 tammi, 06:15, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> wkhedr wrote:
>> >>>http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>> >>> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of
>> >>> players
>> >>> are not better than the players he started his career playing
>> >>> against.
>> >> For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.
>>
>> > Isn't it opposite? (as you declared clown era ended last year when
>> > Djoko won AO 08. New tune? New doublestandads?).
>>
>> I wouldn't have said that - more something like it's good to see another
>> guy stepping up & really wanting to win rather than take the cheque &
>> fuck-off Denko type.
>
> How many more you need (as recently Djoko and Murray definitely are
> players with an attitude you have seeked?)
>
> Remember that during Sampras' era there were also top players who just
> rolled over against Sampras mentally (Kafelnikov, Ivanisevic and
> Courier after 93). All these players have miserable records against
> Sampras.
>
> Becker gave it all but came up short as Sampras was either equal or
> notch better in all categories. Agassi had a chance but had matchup
> issues with Pete. Then we had Chang who was no quitter but had no
> tools.
>
> Actually you needed new (fearless) generation to really match with
> Sampras...and that happened with Safin/Hewitt...and as a lesser
> example, Kuerten.
>
> Similarly Fed has now new generation to battle against (Djoko, Murray
> + may be Potro). Every great has had his blakes, gilberts (what 0-15
> against Lendl), gerulaitises (2-33? combined against Borg/Connors) who
> have been just cannon fodder for the top dog but yet stayed in top10
> for long time.
>
> What Fed in addition has is very strong rival (Nadal) who can gave all
> the trouble for Fed. Sampras had fluctuating (but great) Agassi who
> could not solve their relative matchup issue.
>
> .mikko
>

RST needs more poster like you, Mikko. We don't need fan fuckers and haters
like
Whispy, Professor, Ground Ass, TT etc.




 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 21:35:30
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On 19 tammi, 06:15, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> >http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> > Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> > are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.

Isn't it opposite? (as you declared clown era ended last year when
Djoko won AO 08. New tune? New doublestandads?).

If Federer says. "Current players are not better" = that underlines
that Roddick/Hewitt and co. were at least as good = no clown era
during Fed's prime years.

Had Federer said: "these are better than Roddick/Hewitt and co." =
then there would have been some case for "clown era".

On the other hand Sampras has officially said that "competition
improved greatly 1997-98", which now seems retrospectively quite
ridiculous...(or was there smt. like TOTAL clown era pre 97....).

.mikko


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 17:44:24
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
MBDunc wrote:
> On 19 tammi, 06:15, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>>> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
>>> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>> For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.
>
> Isn't it opposite? (as you declared clown era ended last year when
> Djoko won AO 08. New tune? New doublestandads?).
>



I wouldn't have said that - more something like it's good to see another
guy stepping up & really wanting to win rather than take the cheque &
fuck-off Denko type.


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:15:35
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
wkhedr wrote:
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-players-not-better-than-stars-yesteryear-$1261728.htm
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>




For Federer himself to say this confirms current clown era.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 16:39:33
From:
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 11:01=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> > Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> > are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> > Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> > before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> > because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> > and Andy Murray.
>
> > Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> > year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> > Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> > Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> > Federer.
>
> > "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> > generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> > don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> > Federer.
>
> > "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> > other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> > about what happened two years ago.
>
> > "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> > It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> > were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> > Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> > world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> > got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> > victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.
>
> lol he brought it up himself. He must now realise that he played
> against CLOWNS, but doesn't have the heart to admit it.

He brought it up himself?

"Hey all, urgent press conference required now! Just to clarify that I
didn't dominate in a clown era!"



 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:21:10
From:
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 5:44=A0pm, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5267342f-242f-488d-93fa-ebd73bf96594@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> > Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> > are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> > Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> > before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> > because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> > and Andy Murray.
>
> > Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> > year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> > Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> > Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> > Federer.
>
> > "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> > generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> > don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> > Federer.
>
> > "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> > other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> > about what happened two years ago.
>
> > "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> > It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> > were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> > Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> > world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> > got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> > victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.
>
> Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His argume=
nt
> is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
> were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>
> Federer vs Roddick =3D 15 wins from 17 matches
>
> Federer vs Hewitt=3D 14 wins from 22 matches
>
> Federer vs Davydenko=3D 12 wins from 12 matches
>
> Federer vs Ljubicic=3D 12 wins from 15 matches
>
> Federer vs Ferrer=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Federer vs Robredo=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>
> Federer vs Nadal=3D 6 wins from 18 matches
>
> Federer vs Murray=3D 2 wins from 7 matches
>
> Federer vs Djokovic=3D 7 wins from 9 matches
>
> Federer vs Simon=3D 0 wins from 2 matches
>
> He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not chang=
ed
> dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
> cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just an
> r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.-


there will be no legacy left when frauderer retires. his dominance was
only because lube and stinkydenko and rodduck and boredo were the
clowns of his lame generation in tennis.



 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:18:03
From:
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
Ah, fed is aware that most of his slams were won in the clown era when
the likes of lube and stinkydenko were in the top 5... we are not in
clown era anymore, fedo.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 02:54:30
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
<Arancione@selin.com > wrote in message
news:d69ac887-d385-420d-969d-1a25985b3820@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Ah, fed is aware that most of his slams were won in the clown era when
> the likes of lube and stinkydenko were in the top 5... we are not in
> clown era anymore, fedo.


Fedfuckers are crying in their stale beer right now! Vamos Seppi!



 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:07:41
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.

yeh FEDMUG just thinks it way high quality tennis b/c he was winning
all the time. LOL


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:05:09
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.

yes and Hewitt Roddick Safin Ferrero Nalbandian ARE ALL STILL AROUND
FEDMUG!!!!!
THEY HAVEN'T RETIRED!!!
AND THEY SUUUUUCKKK!!!!!
And Murray/Nadal/ and djoko WOULD THRASH ALL OF THEM EXCEPT NALBY!!!!
WHO IS A BIG TIME CHOKER!!!!!


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:02:38
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.

HAHAHA fedmug trying to preserve his legacy.....

well why are you so shite against muzz/nadal/simon --- and slightly
worse against djoko... after all, roddick or denko would never beat
you in a slam semi would they. FedMORON.
hope he gets dumped out in 10 hours time.


  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 23:15:34
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
Hoping Seppi will get the job done? You are pathetic.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:01:13
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 9:46=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.

lol he brought it up himself. He must now realise that he played
against CLOWNS, but doesn't have the heart to admit it.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 14:48:07
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Jan 18, 10:44=A0pm, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5267342f-242f-488d-93fa-ebd73bf96594@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-player...
>
> > Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> > are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> > Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> > before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> > because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> > and Andy Murray.
>
> > Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> > year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> > Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> > Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> > Federer.
>
> > "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> > generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> > don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> > Federer.
>
> > "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> > other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> > about what happened two years ago.
>
> > "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> > It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> > were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> > Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> > world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> > got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> > victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.
>
> Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His argume=
nt
> is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
> were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>
> Federer vs Roddick =3D 15 wins from 17 matches
>
> Federer vs Hewitt=3D 14 wins from 22 matches
>
> Federer vs Davydenko=3D 12 wins from 12 matches
>
> Federer vs Ljubicic=3D 12 wins from 15 matches
>
> Federer vs Ferrer=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Federer vs Robredo=3D 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>
> Federer vs Nadal=3D 6 wins from 18 matches
>
> Federer vs Murray=3D 2 wins from 7 matches
>
> Federer vs Djokovic=3D 7 wins from 9 matches
>
> Federer vs Simon=3D 0 wins from 2 matches
>
> He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not chang=
ed
> dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
> cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just an
> r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.-=
Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You put way too much effort into this and are not at all interesting.
Please leave.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
"wkhedr" <wkhedr@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:5267342f-242f-488d-93fa-ebd73bf96594@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-players-not-better-than-stars-yesteryear-$1261728.htm
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.




Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His argument
is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.

Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches

Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches

Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches

Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches

Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches

Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches


Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation


Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches

Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches

Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches

Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches



He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not changed
dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just an
r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.



  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 17:55:13
From: Trevor Smithson
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
<groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>
>Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His argument
>is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
>were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>
>Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches
>
>Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches
>
>Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches
>
>Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches
>
>Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches
>
>Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches

Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. Not so hot.

>
>Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>
>
>Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches
>
>Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches
>
>Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches
>
>Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches

3-0 vs Del Potro.
4-0 vs Monfils

>
>
>He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not changed
>dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
>cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just an
>r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.


   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 00:16:57
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:dof7n419udnsi7cbksb5unme8tjl55t96v@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>>
>>Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His
>>argument
>>is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
>>were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>>
>>Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches
>
> Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. Not so hot.


He's won most of the ones that count, and Nalbandian is so inconsistent as
to be largely irrlevent as a force on the tour.
>
>>
>>Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>>
>>
>>Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches
>>
>>Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches
>
> 3-0 vs Del Potro.
> 4-0 vs Monfils

Del Potro is still a baby, not really meaningful bringing that H2H into the
arument. Much like Hewitt used to beat Federer until Federer matured a bit.
I did not mention Monfils as his ranking is so up and down it is difficult
to decide if he's going to be a consistent top 10 player or just another top
20 wannabe.

>
>>
>>
>>He's kidding himself if he thinks the competitive landscape has not
>>changed
>>dramatically. This sounds very much like Federer trying to patch up the
>>cracks that are appearing in his legacy. The clown era talk isn't just an
>>r.s.t curio, it is being talked about by mainstream tennis commentators.




    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 22:05:33
From: Trevor Smithson
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:16:57 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
<groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

>"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:dof7n419udnsi7cbksb5unme8tjl55t96v@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>>>
>>>Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His
>>>argument
>>>is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players that
>>>were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>>>
>>>Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>
>> Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. Not so hot.
>
>
>He's won most of the ones that count, and Nalbandian is so inconsistent as
>to be largely irrlevent as a force on the tour.
>>
>>>
>>>Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>>>
>>>
>>>Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches
>>>
>>>Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches
>>
>> 3-0 vs Del Potro.
>> 4-0 vs Monfils
>
>Del Potro is still a baby, not really meaningful bringing that H2H into the
>arument. Much like Hewitt used to beat Federer until Federer matured a bit.
>I did not mention Monfils as his ranking is so up and down it is difficult
>to decide if he's going to be a consistent top 10 player or just another top
>20 wannabe.
>
>>
>>>
>

So there are exclusions for match importance, inconsistency, rank
variability, & age. How many others?

BTW, Federer's record vs Djokovic is quite good, just a couple
percentage points worse than vs. Ljubicic.


     
Date: 19 Jan 2009 05:16:35
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear

"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:olu7n4hg5h84tuc1u7np0hp18r051il1mb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:16:57 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:dof7n419udnsi7cbksb5unme8tjl55t96v@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>>> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>>>>
>>>>Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His
>>>>argument
>>>>is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players
>>>>that
>>>>were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>>
>>> Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. Not so hot.
>>
>>
>>He's won most of the ones that count, and Nalbandian is so inconsistent as
>>to be largely irrlevent as a force on the tour.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches
>>>>
>>>>Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches
>>>
>>> 3-0 vs Del Potro.
>>> 4-0 vs Monfils
>>
>>Del Potro is still a baby, not really meaningful bringing that H2H into
>>the
>>arument. Much like Hewitt used to beat Federer until Federer matured a
>>bit.
>>I did not mention Monfils as his ranking is so up and down it is difficult
>>to decide if he's going to be a consistent top 10 player or just another
>>top
>>20 wannabe.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> So there are exclusions for match importance, inconsistency, rank
> variability, & age. How many others?
>
> BTW, Federer's record vs Djokovic is quite good, just a couple
> percentage points worse than vs. Ljubicic.

I don't believe Ljubicic ever beat Federer in a slam semifinal, or MS final?
Also Fed accumalated few easy wins while Djokovic was still very young.




      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 19:51:32
From: john
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear

"*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote in message
news:gl0urk$1qs$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
>
> "Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:olu7n4hg5h84tuc1u7np0hp18r051il1mb@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:16:57 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:dof7n419udnsi7cbksb5unme8tjl55t96v@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:44:58 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>>>> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You have a little something here, but there are counter-examples.
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer sure seems to be showing a lot of insecurity recently. His
>>>>>argument
>>>>>is debunked by looking at the H2H records he has against the players
>>>>>that
>>>>>were around earlier in his career and those coming to prominence now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Roddick = 15 wins from 17 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Hewitt= 14 wins from 22 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Davydenko= 12 wins from 12 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Ljubicic= 12 wins from 15 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Ferrer= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Robredo= 8 wins from 8 matches
>>>>
>>>> Vs Nalbandian, 10 of 18. Not so hot.
>>>
>>>
>>>He's won most of the ones that count, and Nalbandian is so inconsistent
>>>as
>>>to be largely irrlevent as a force on the tour.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now for his record against players from Nadal's generation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Nadal= 6 wins from 18 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Murray= 2 wins from 7 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Djokovic= 7 wins from 9 matches
>>>>>
>>>>>Federer vs Simon= 0 wins from 2 matches
>>>>
>>>> 3-0 vs Del Potro.
>>>> 4-0 vs Monfils
>>>
>>>Del Potro is still a baby, not really meaningful bringing that H2H into
>>>the
>>>arument. Much like Hewitt used to beat Federer until Federer matured a
>>>bit.
>>>I did not mention Monfils as his ranking is so up and down it is
>>>difficult
>>>to decide if he's going to be a consistent top 10 player or just another
>>>top
>>>20 wannabe.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> So there are exclusions for match importance, inconsistency, rank
>> variability, & age. How many others?
>>
>> BTW, Federer's record vs Djokovic is quite good, just a couple
>> percentage points worse than vs. Ljubicic.
>
> I don't believe Ljubicic ever beat Federer in a slam semifinal, or MS
> final?
> Also Fed accumalated few easy wins while Djokovic was still very young.

He also beat Djokovic when Djokovic was a slam champ two times.
>
>




 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 22:55:54
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer: Current players not better than stars of yesteryear

"wkhedr" <wkhedr@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:5267342f-242f-488d-93fa-ebd73bf96594@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sport/tennis/federer-current-players-not-better-than-stars-yesteryear-$1261728.htm
>
> Swiss maestro Roger Federer believes the current generation of players
> are not better than the players he started his career playing against.
>
> Some critics have argued that Federer will find it more difficult than
> before to win Grand Slams and may never become world number one again
> because of the emergence of the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic
> and Andy Murray.
>
> Nadal dethroned Federer as the world number towards the end of last
> year after beating the Swiss in the finals of the French Open and
> Wimbledon. Djokovic beat Federer on his way to winning the Australian
> Open last year and Murray has a 5-2 head-to-head record against
> Federer.
>
> "I know a lot of people are always saying like this seems like a tough
> generation right now with Murray, Djokovic, Rafa and everything. I
> don't think it's that much stronger than when I came about," said
> Federer.
>
> "We had Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Nalbandian, all these
> other guys. It just always seems like two years on and nobody talks
> about what happened two years ago.
>
> "I thought we've had very high quality tennis since a long time now.
> It's not just now that we have four great players again. I think they
> were there before, but there were just different names."
>
> Federer has won 13 Grand Slams and is only one behind equalling the
> world record set by the great American Pete Sampras. The 27-year-old
> got his preparations for the Australian Open off to a great start with
> victory at the Kooyong Classic yesterday.


Looks like Federer himself believes in clown era. Odd.