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Date: 18 Dec 2008 00:22:02
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras mold?
We will get a pretty good idea as 2009 unfurls.

If he win more than 50 matches, it is probably the Lendl-Agassi mold. If
he can manage 60 or more, there will be no questions asked.

If he doesn't makes a 50 win year, we will know the serious decline a la
Sampras is probably afoot.

Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.

So what will it be?

My 2 cents:

Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.

What is your take?

--
Cheers,

vc




 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 18:42:13
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
On Dec 17, 8:45=A0pm, google3luo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:22=A0pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
> > It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
> > YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
> > followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
> > blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>
> > So what will it be?
>
> > My 2 cents:
>
> > Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>
> > What is your take?
>
> =A0Sure it's fun to plug in all these numbers and say what if etc.
> If you are Federer, from here on in, winning a slam (or more) each
> year is a good year. Anything less is not a good year.
>
> So in other words, he couldn't care less if his record was 17-61,
> if those 17 wins produced a grand slam (or two).

I agree, I think it was painful for him losing his #1 ranking but he
adjusted enough, something that can help him to achieve his top
priorities.

He seemed tired and physically consumed in 2008, not sure if it was
his sickness or sudden aging.


 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 18:38:58
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
On 18 Dec, 00:22, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> We will get a pretty good idea as 2009 unfurls.
>
> If he win more than 50 matches, it is probably the Lendl-Agassi mold. If
> he can manage 60 or more, there will be no questions asked.
>
> If he doesn't makes a 50 win year, we will know the serious decline a la
> Sampras is probably afoot.
>
> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
> It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
> YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
> followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
> blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>
> So what will it be?
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>
> What is your take?
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc

What is a Lend-Agassi mold? Both had vastly different career paths.
Lendl was toast by 30. Agassi become better after 30


 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 18:20:11
From: thunderbolt.bob@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
On Dec 17, 7:22=A0pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> We will get a pretty good idea as 2009 unfurls.
>
> If he win more than 50 matches, it is probably the Lendl-Agassi mold. If
> he can manage 60 or more, there will be no questions asked.
>
> If he doesn't makes a 50 win year, we will know the serious decline a la
> Sampras is probably afoot.
>
> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.

Maybe ' falls short of his earlier standards' is better than 'is
rather poor'.
Even Federer should be mighty proud of 1 slam and 2 finals at slams.





 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 17:45:58
From:
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
On Dec 17, 7:22=A0pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:

> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
> It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
> YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
> followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
> blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>
> So what will it be?
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>
> What is your take?

Sure it's fun to plug in all these numbers and say what if etc.
If you are Federer, from here on in, winning a slam (or more) each
year is a good year. Anything less is not a good year.

So in other words, he couldn't care less if his record was 17-61,
if those 17 wins produced a grand slam (or two).





  
Date: 18 Dec 2008 14:27:03
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
google3luo359@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:22 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
>> It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
>> YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
>> followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
>> blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>>
>> So what will it be?
>>
>> My 2 cents:
>>
>> Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>>
>> What is your take?
>
> Sure it's fun to plug in all these numbers and say what if etc.
> If you are Federer, from here on in, winning a slam (or more) each
> year is a good year. Anything less is not a good year.
>
> So in other words, he couldn't care less if his record was 17-61,
> if those 17 wins produced a grand slam (or two).
>
>

Federer's career win% is 80.5% He actually did better than that this
year. Next year he should win around 75% and it will be harder for him
to reach finals since he's 4th best player.


1999 43%
2000 55%

2001 70%
2002 72%

2003 82%
2004 93%
2005 95%
2006 95%
2007 88%
2008 81%


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 18 Dec 2008 21:36:29
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras mold?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:27:03 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>google3luo359@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 7:22 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
>>> It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
>>> YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
>>> followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
>>> blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>>>
>>> So what will it be?
>>>
>>> My 2 cents:
>>>
>>> Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>>>
>>> What is your take?
>>
>> Sure it's fun to plug in all these numbers and say what if etc.
>> If you are Federer, from here on in, winning a slam (or more) each
>> year is a good year. Anything less is not a good year.
>>
>> So in other words, he couldn't care less if his record was 17-61,
>> if those 17 wins produced a grand slam (or two).
>>
>>
>
>Federer's career win% is 80.5% He actually did better than that this
>year. Next year he should win around 75% and it will be harder for him
>to reach finals since he's 4th best player.
>
>
>1999 43%
>2000 55%
>
>2001 70%
>2002 72%
>
>2003 82%
>2004 93%
>2005 95%
>2006 95%
>2007 88%
>2008 81%


fuck you


  
Date: 18 Dec 2008 03:04:09
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
google3luo359@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:22 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> Federer's 2008 record of 66-15 is rather poor by his earlier standards.
>> It got him the #2 rank. Sampras went 61-17 in 1998 but eked out the
>> YE#1. Sampras was injured in 1999 and had a 40-8 record which he
>> followed up with 42-13, 35-16 and 27-17 seasons before going out in a
>> blaze of glory at the 2002 US Open.
>>
>> So what will it be?
>>
>> My 2 cents:
>>
>> Barring serious injury, he will have a good year.
>>
>> What is your take?
>
> Sure it's fun to plug in all these numbers and say what if etc.
> If you are Federer, from here on in, winning a slam (or more) each
> year is a good year. Anything less is not a good year.
>
> So in other words, he couldn't care less if his record was 17-61,
> if those 17 wins produced a grand slam (or two).
>
>
>

17-61 would be incredible! Really!

But I agree with the slam-focus.

--
Cheers,

vc


   
Date: 18 Dec 2008 15:36:37
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras mold?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:09 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
<cinicke@netscape.net > wrote:

>17-61 would be incredible! Really!

Yes, I wonder what is the max number of matches you can lose in a
year. If you play every week, there are challengers and futures pretty
much every week, you can play two challengers during slams etc., so I
think you can get close to 52 losses. Then you can lose 3 matches in a
week at YEC, but then again you won't make YEC playing those
challengers all year...


    
Date: 18 Dec 2008 14:58:31
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer - Will he take to the Lendl-Agassi mold or the Sampras
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:09 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
> <cinicke@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> 17-61 would be incredible! Really!
>
> Yes, I wonder what is the max number of matches you can lose in a
> year. If you play every week, there are challengers and futures pretty
> much every week, you can play two challengers during slams etc., so I
> think you can get close to 52 losses. Then you can lose 3 matches in a
> week at YEC, but then again you won't make YEC playing those
> challengers all year...

If you are a really lucky loser, you can lose in the qualies and in the
main tournament!

Real players in the Top 50 might be a good filter. I am sure someone has
around 34 or 35 losses for the year. 28 or 29 is normal for many players
outside the Top 10 or 20. The record for someone who reached the #1 rank
that year is probably Safin's 73-27 in 2000.

--
Cheers,

vc