tennis-forum.net
Promoting tennis discussion.

Main
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Federer did not impress me
.. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
doesn't impress anyone nowadays.

PS.




 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 18:05:17
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
<pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

>.. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>doesn't impress anyone nowadays.

I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
the match, not good at all. People get collectively insane here
whenever Federer plays. If he wins a set 6-1, his opponent is a medium
level club player. If he wins the next set 7-6, he is himself a medium
level club player.

If Murray has any kind of trouble with Pavel, things might get
interesting here...


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 09:54:02
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
> <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to
>> say whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both
>> in the second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk.
>> Beating Moya doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
> the end of the first set, when he played well.

Yes, in the first set he was in great form. Not so good after that.





   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 00:58:05
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:54:02 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
>> <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to
>>> say whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both
>>> in the second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk.
>>> Beating Moya doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>
>> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
>> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
>> the end of the first set, when he played well.
>
>Yes, in the first set he was in great form. Not so good after that.
>


That's because he eased up on the gas. He knew then this guy could not
beat him and he could stay ahead and relax a bit knowing he could win
any game any point anytime he needed to and win in 3.


    
Date: 20 Jan 2009 12:28:30
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:54:02 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
>>> <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to
>>>> say whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances
>>>> both in the second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a
>>>> cakewalk. Beating Moya doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>>
>>> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the
>>> posts here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of
>>> games at the end of the first set, when he played well.
>>
>> Yes, in the first set he was in great form. Not so good after that.
>>
>
>
> That's because he eased up on the gas. He knew then this guy could not
> beat him and he could stay ahead and relax a bit knowing he could win
> any game any point anytime he needed to and win in 3.

Stop kidding yourself.





  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:18:24
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 6:33=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 5:35 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> Sakari Lund wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
> >>> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to =
say
> >>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in =
the
> >>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Mo=
ya
> >>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
> >>> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the post=
s
> >>> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
> >>> the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
> >>> the match, not good at all.
> >> Correct.
>
> > On the plus side, he did hit some good volleys and did some chip/
> > charging which I'm sure you would be pleased about ...
>
> Yes, but he also missed some by getting in too quickly & getting ahead
> of himself - just needs to relax a little - he's too tense & anxious
> about matching the 14.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So true. Doubtful he will match Pete it has to be said.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:59:21
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 5:35=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Sakari Lund wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
> > <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to sa=
y
> >> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in th=
e
> >> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> >> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> > I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
> > here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
> > the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
> > the match, not good at all.
>
> Correct.

On the plus side, he did hit some good volleys and did some chip/
charging which I'm sure you would be pleased about ...





   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 05:33:53
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 5:35 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
>>> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
>>> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
>>> the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
>>> the match, not good at all.
>> Correct.
>
> On the plus side, he did hit some good volleys and did some chip/
> charging which I'm sure you would be pleased about ...
>
>
>


Yes, but he also missed some by getting in too quickly & getting ahead
of himself - just needs to relax a little - he's too tense & anxious
about matching the 14.



  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:35:17
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
> <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
> the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
> the match, not good at all.




Correct.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 16:11:58
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:59 +0100, Petter Solbu
> <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> I thought Federer played pretty badly. I don't know what all the posts
> here are about. Apparently they were made during couple of games at
> the end of the first set, when he played well. All the other parts of
> the match, not good at all. People get collectively insane here
> whenever Federer plays. If he wins a set 6-1, his opponent is a medium
> level club player. If he wins the next set 7-6, he is himself a medium
> level club player.
>
> If Murray has any kind of trouble with Pavel, things might get
> interesting here...

Yes, pretty patchy play but good enough for the 1R against a game Seppi
who should really have taken Federer's invitation and taken the second set.

rst is nuts about Federer! :-)

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 07:16:06
From: TJT
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me


Petter Solbu wrote:
> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> PS.

testing...
(writing this with nokia 770)


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 17:15:42
From: Giovanna
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me

> testing...
> (writing this with nokia 770)

your christmas present?


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 07:12:29
From: TJT
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me


Petter Solbu wrote:
> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> PS.

roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:24:56
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On 19 jan, 21:15, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 5:44=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > TJT wrote:
>
> > >> Petter Solbu wrote:
> > >>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to=
say
> > >>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in=
the
> > >>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating M=
oya
> > >>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> > >>> PS.
>
> > >> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.
>
> > > Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight =
sets.
>
> > #1-#2 seeds are practically guaranteed a mug in the first round - you c=
an play
> > badly and still win in straights.
>
> > But of course you already knew that.
>
> Not necessarily - Seppi is no mug and beat Nadal in Marseille last
> year. I don't think he was ever going to beat Federer, but he should
> have won a set, indeed missed a backhand by fractions on set point.
> Having set that, Federer didn't play that well.

Seppi is indeed a good player but Federer probably thought the same as
you did and that's a reason he seemed to relax just a little too much
after the 1st set. It's something he often does anyway. As it was
though, he could have made a difference in middle of the 2nd set had
Seppi's shot not clipped the tape and rolled over on breakpoint. Also
the shot from Seppi on septpoint was neither a winner nor did it force
an error even if it did land on the line, which it didn't.

BTW It was Rotterdam where Seppi beat Nadal.

> Any of the top players could have drawn Gulbis in the first round
> (ranked #56).
>
> Now Christophe Rochus, Nadal's first opponent *is* a mug - even his
> brother says he has lost interest in tennis. And I wonder how many
> games the 35-year-old-who-hasn't-played-in-a-year-after-injury Pavel
> will get off Murray ...

Yes, had Federer played either of them the noise from the haters
brigade, regarding draw conspiracy- and clown era theories, would have
been deafening.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:48:31
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 10:39=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 5:44 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> >> Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>> TJT wrote:
> >>>> Petter Solbu wrote:
> >>>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to=
say
> >>>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in=
the
> >>>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating M=
oya
> >>>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
> >>>>> PS.
> >>>> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.
> >>> Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight =
sets.
> >> #1-#2 seeds are practically guaranteed a mug in the first round - you =
can play
> >> badly and still win in straights.
>
> >> But of course you already knew that.
>
> > Not necessarily - Seppi is no mug and beat Nadal in Marseille last
> > year. I don't think he was ever going to beat Federer, but he should
> > have won a set, indeed missed a backhand by fractions on set point.
> > Having set that, Federer didn't play that well.
>
> Fed played well at just the right time to avoid dropping a set - he
> shoulda played close to that level most of the way & woulda won 61 63 62.

He seemed to lose concentration a bit after winning the first set
easily.

Despite his average play in the second set he had some break points
and Seppi saved one with a net-cord with just dropped over.



  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 12:15:24
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 5:44=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com > wrote:
> Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > TJT wrote:
>
> >> Petter Solbu wrote:
> >>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to s=
ay
> >>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in t=
he
> >>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moy=
a
> >>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> >>> PS.
>
> >> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.
>
> > Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight se=
ts.
>
> #1-#2 seeds are practically guaranteed a mug in the first round - you can=
play
> badly and still win in straights.
>
> But of course you already knew that.

Not necessarily - Seppi is no mug and beat Nadal in Marseille last
year. I don't think he was ever going to beat Federer, but he should
have won a set, indeed missed a backhand by fractions on set point.
Having set that, Federer didn't play that well.

Any of the top players could have drawn Gulbis in the first round
(ranked #56).

Now Christophe Rochus, Nadal's first opponent *is* a mug - even his
brother says he has lost interest in tennis. And I wonder how many
games the 35-year-old-who-hasn't-played-in-a-year-after-injury Pavel
will get off Murray ...




   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 09:39:39
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 5:44 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>> Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> TJT wrote:
>>>> Petter Solbu wrote:
>>>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>>>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>>>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>>>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>>>> PS.
>>>> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.
>>> Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight sets.
>> #1-#2 seeds are practically guaranteed a mug in the first round - you can play
>> badly and still win in straights.
>>
>> But of course you already knew that.
>
> Not necessarily - Seppi is no mug and beat Nadal in Marseille last
> year. I don't think he was ever going to beat Federer, but he should
> have won a set, indeed missed a backhand by fractions on set point.
> Having set that, Federer didn't play that well.
>


Fed played well at just the right time to avoid dropping a set - he
shoulda played close to that level most of the way & woulda won 61 63 62.


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:30:13
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
TJT wrote:
>
> Petter Solbu wrote:
>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>
>> PS.
>
> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.


Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight sets.



   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:44:54
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> TJT wrote:
>>
>> Petter Solbu wrote:
>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>>
>>> PS.
>>
>> roger often plays poorly 1st round matches.
>
>
> Yes, that's why he's won his last 21 1st rd slam matches in straight sets.
>

#1-#2 seeds are practically guaranteed a mug in the first round - you can play
badly and still win in straights.

But of course you already knew that.


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 07:07:34
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 9:48=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> PS.

Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
being on the unlucky side one day is possible.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:33:56
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On 20 jan, 00:00, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com > wrote:

> Yes, I agree, he needs to learn how to play an aggressive game with
> lower risk, such as (ahem) serve and volley and (ahem) forehand slice
> approach....

You should be pleased. Lately I've seen Federer hit a lot of those
slice approaches you speak so fondly of. The problem is... he hits
them for winners so there's no volley required afterwards.

Maybe he should get back to the topspin approaches and work on some
volleys/see the ball fly past?


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:27:43
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On 19 jan, 20:24, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> kaennorsing wrote:
> > He didn't play particularly well, but for a first round match against
> > a good hc player he played good enough.
>
> That remains to be seen. It is hard to judge whether it was "good
> enough" yet. I am afraid Last year he really impressed me against
> Hartfield and Santoro, but after that he played very poorly. I think we
> have to wait until the QF against Del Potro to see if he really is in
> shape. I take it for granted that he actually reaches the QF. Korolev,
> Safin and Berdych are not any better than Seppi.
>
> PS.

It was good enough in the sense that he got through the 1st round and
managed a decent workout. He has a potential difficult match in round
3 so a little bit of a workout was in order.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:07:34
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 11:00=A0pm, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 19, 11:52 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > wkhedr wrote:
> > > On Jan 19, 9:48 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to =
say
> > >> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in =
the
> > >> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Mo=
ya
> > >> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> > >> PS.
>
> > > Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
> > > opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
> > > problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
> > > rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
> > > some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
> > > him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
> > > being on the unlucky side one day is possible.
>
> > To me his biggest problem is that he has no game in between - he either
> > plays extremely risky or he gives his opponent the command of the point=
.
> > His general baseline game is just not good enough at the moment. His
> > safe shots are too safe and his risky shots are sometimes a bit too
> > risky. Against consistent "in shape" players this gives him a lot of
> > trouble because they have the self confidence to execute the shots when
> > they are given the chance from Federer. Therefore he has to base his
> > game on hitting those difficult risky shots. Sometimes it works and
> > sometimes it doesn't. For that reason his performances also vary a lot
> > in quality.
>
> > But of course, as pointed out in a previous post, his serve helps him
> > quite a lot. In the first set his serve was on and that gave him a lot
> > of free or easy points.
>
> > PS.
>
> Yes, I agree, he needs to learn how to play an aggressive game with
> lower risk, such as (ahem) serve and volley and (ahem) forehand slice
> approach....

Bloody hell, he's back ...





  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 15:00:44
From: UC
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 11:52 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 9:48 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
> >> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
> >> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> >> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> >> PS.
>
> > Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
> > opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
> > problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
> > rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
> > some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
> > him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
> > being on the unlucky side one day is possible.
>
> To me his biggest problem is that he has no game in between - he either
> plays extremely risky or he gives his opponent the command of the point.
> His general baseline game is just not good enough at the moment. His
> safe shots are too safe and his risky shots are sometimes a bit too
> risky. Against consistent "in shape" players this gives him a lot of
> trouble because they have the self confidence to execute the shots when
> they are given the chance from Federer. Therefore he has to base his
> game on hitting those difficult risky shots. Sometimes it works and
> sometimes it doesn't. For that reason his performances also vary a lot
> in quality.
>
> But of course, as pointed out in a previous post, his serve helps him
> quite a lot. In the first set his serve was on and that gave him a lot
> of free or easy points.
>
> PS.

Yes, I agree, he needs to learn how to play an aggressive game with
lower risk, such as (ahem) serve and volley and (ahem) forehand slice
approach....


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:28:29
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On 19 jan, 19:05, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:30:02 -0800 (PST), Patrick Kehoe
>
> <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
> >He looked frustrated in creating some break opportunities (as opposed
> >from being gifted break chances via mishits) and didn't cash in after
> >the first set... some of that was good, timely play by Seppi some was
> >just mishitting and a few were bad shot selections...
>
> The thing is Seppi had a lot of break points. I think in the end it
> was Seppi 0/10, Fed 3/10. But Fed had a lot of them right at the end.
> For most of the match, Seppi had more break points, and some of them
> he could easily have won. I am really surprised if anyone says Fed
> played well in that match, except in a couple of games at the end of
> the 1st set.

He didn't play particularly well, but for a first round match against
a good hc player he played good enough. A little unfortunate in the
2nd where he could have broken Seppi's serve when a shot from Seppi
clipped the tape on a break point.

I was pleased he played an offensive game, trying to keep points
short. Of course when he misses a few there's no real rhythm in the
rally (for either player) since it's a first round.


   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 20:24:44
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
kaennorsing wrote:

> He didn't play particularly well, but for a first round match against
> a good hc player he played good enough.

That remains to be seen. It is hard to judge whether it was "good
enough" yet. I am afraid Last year he really impressed me against
Hartfield and Santoro, but after that he played very poorly. I think we
have to wait until the QF against Del Potro to see if he really is in
shape. I take it for granted that he actually reaches the QF. Korolev,
Safin and Berdych are not any better than Seppi.

PS.


    
Date: 19 Jan 2009 20:16:43
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
In article <pt-dnQHtv5oVTunU4p2dnAA@telenor.com >,
pettermann1984@hotmail.com (Petter Solbu) wrote:

> kaennorsing wrote:
>
> > He didn't play particularly well, but for a first round match
> > against
> > a good hc player he played good enough.
>
> That remains to be seen. It is hard to judge whether it was "good
> enough" yet. I am afraid Last year he really impressed me against
> Hartfield and Santoro, but after that he played very poorly. I
> think we have to wait until the QF against Del Potro to see if he
> really is in shape. I take it for granted that he actually reaches
> the QF. Korolev, Safin and Berdych are not any better than Seppi.
>

If you can predict how Safin will be playing on any given day you could
make a fortune betting the right way.

I expect Federer to make the quarters, but you just never know what kind
of play Safin will turn up with on the day.

wg


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:58:15
From:
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 4:52=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 9:48 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to sa=
y
> >> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in th=
e
> >> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> >> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> >> PS.
>
> > Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
> > opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
> > problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
> > rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
> > some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
> > him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
> > being on the unlucky side one day is possible.
>
> To me his biggest problem is that he has no game in between - he either
> plays extremely risky or he gives his opponent the command of the point.
> His general baseline game is just not good enough at the moment. His
> safe shots are too safe and his risky shots are sometimes a bit too
> risky. Against consistent "in shape" players this gives him a lot of
> trouble because they have the self confidence to execute the shots when
> they are given the chance from Federer. Therefore he has to base his
> game on hitting those difficult risky shots. Sometimes it works and
> sometimes it doesn't. For that reason his performances also vary a lot
> in quality.
>
> But of course, as pointed out in a previous post, his serve helps him
> quite a lot. In the first set his serve was on and that gave him a lot
> of free or easy points.

In the second set it definitely wasn't on, and he flirted with
disaster.

I also think that his forehand is not quite the weapon it used to be -
the big forehand down the line doesn't appear as much as it used to
do, and when he goes for it he makes more errors than previously. This
used to be a real problem for opponents as anything hittable on that
side with room down the line could be dispatched.






   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 20:19:29
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

> I also think that his forehand is not quite the weapon it used to be -
> the big forehand down the line doesn't appear as much as it used to
> do, and when he goes for it he makes more errors than previously. This
> used to be a real problem for opponents as anything hittable on that
> side with room down the line could be dispatched.

Maybe, but I think his low percentage shots still are lethal to almost
any opponent. The general baseline game is more of a problem to me than
lack of killer shots.

PS.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 17:52:48
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
wkhedr wrote:
> On Jan 19, 9:48 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>
>> PS.
>
> Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
> opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
> problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
> rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
> some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
> him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
> being on the unlucky side one day is possible.

To me his biggest problem is that he has no game in between - he either
plays extremely risky or he gives his opponent the command of the point.
His general baseline game is just not good enough at the moment. His
safe shots are too safe and his risky shots are sometimes a bit too
risky. Against consistent "in shape" players this gives him a lot of
trouble because they have the self confidence to execute the shots when
they are given the chance from Federer. Therefore he has to base his
game on hitting those difficult risky shots. Sometimes it works and
sometimes it doesn't. For that reason his performances also vary a lot
in quality.

But of course, as pointed out in a previous post, his serve helps him
quite a lot. In the first set his serve was on and that gave him a lot
of free or easy points.

PS.


   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 17:04:41
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Petter Solbu wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 9:48 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
>>> whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
>>> second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
>>> doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>>>
>>> PS.
>>
>> Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
>> opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
>> problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
>> rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
>> some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
>> him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
>> being on the unlucky side one day is possible.
>
> To me his biggest problem is that he has no game in between - he either
> plays extremely risky or he gives his opponent the command of the point.
> His general baseline game is just not good enough at the moment. His
> safe shots are too safe and his risky shots are sometimes a bit too
> risky. Against consistent "in shape" players this gives him a lot of
> trouble because they have the self confidence to execute the shots when
> they are given the chance from Federer. Therefore he has to base his
> game on hitting those difficult risky shots. Sometimes it works and
> sometimes it doesn't. For that reason his performances also vary a lot
> in quality.
>
> But of course, as pointed out in a previous post, his serve helps him
> quite a lot. In the first set his serve was on and that gave him a lot
> of free or easy points.
>
> PS.

It looks like you alone know that Federer has no transition game to
speak of. Don't tell anyone, please. A lot is riding on your
cooperation. ;-)

--
Cheers,

vc


    
Date: 19 Jan 2009 20:16:23
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:

> It looks like you alone know that Federer has no transition game to
> speak of. Don't tell anyone, please. A lot is riding on your
> cooperation. ;-)

I think you are a more frequent visitor of this newsgroup than I am, so
I guess that is the reason why my comments already has been stated in
here! :-) I just tried to point out the flaws in Fed's game at the moment.

PS.


     
Date: 19 Jan 2009 22:43:59
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Petter Solbu wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>> It looks like you alone know that Federer has no transition game to
>> speak of. Don't tell anyone, please. A lot is riding on your
>> cooperation. ;-)
>
> I think you are a more frequent visitor of this newsgroup than I am, so
> I guess that is the reason why my comments already has been stated in
> here! :-) I just tried to point out the flaws in Fed's game at the moment.
>
> PS.

At the moment, he is making enough errors that he looks like he would
make few inroads against other top talents. But this is only the 1R.

Real questions are whether he will find anything like the form he
displayed and the lethal forehand that he wielded in the past by the
time tougher opponents roll around.

On the plus side, Federer did get to the net dozens of times and moved
quite well. He missed many go-to shots a bit long and I expect that to
improve with more play in the tournament. He will also have to serve
better than he did in the last 2 sets and find his bh down the line.

--
Cheers,

vc


      
Date: 20 Jan 2009 09:45:56
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> Petter Solbu wrote:
>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like you alone know that Federer has no transition game to
>>> speak of. Don't tell anyone, please. A lot is riding on your
>>> cooperation. ;-)
>>
>> I think you are a more frequent visitor of this newsgroup than I am,
>> so I guess that is the reason why my comments already has been stated
>> in here! :-) I just tried to point out the flaws in Fed's game at the
>> moment.
>>
>> PS.
>
> At the moment, he is making enough errors that he looks like he would
> make few inroads against other top talents. But this is only the 1R.
>
> Real questions are whether he will find anything like the form he
> displayed and the lethal forehand that he wielded in the past by the
> time tougher opponents roll around.
>
> On the plus side, Federer did get to the net dozens of times and moved
> quite well. He missed many go-to shots a bit long and I expect that to
> improve with more play in the tournament. He will also have to serve
> better than he did in the last 2 sets and find his bh down the line.
>


He has to improve if he comes up against Murray or Rafa. Murray would
edge him on this form & Rafa ground him into then asphalt.



  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:30:02
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Jan 19, 7:07=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Jan 19, 9:48=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > .. on the other hand Seppi is a tough first round opponent. Hard to say
> > whether Roger is in top shape or not. Seppi had his chances both in the
> > second and third set. I guess Korolev will be a cakewalk. Beating Moya
> > doesn't impress anyone nowadays.
>
> > PS.
>
> Federer is playing a very aggressive risky game. He is telling his
> opponents that he is going for his shots very early in the rally. The
> problem is how to get the high risk rewarding game to be really
> rewarding. It requires a little less errors from Federer's side and
> some luck as well. Playing like that going forward will definitly get
> him to tune his strokes and his margins of errors, but the risk of
> being on the unlucky side one day is possible.

++ Well... there were also a LOT of constructed points in that match
as well... he has a mix of constructed points and aggressive points
and some all out strike points... like a three option (level) of risk
reward... you could see the difference in each of those formulations
against Seppi... what also was in evidence was when he served 70% in
the first set it was a cake walk and when his serving fell into the
40s over the second and third the games tightened right up...

He looked frustrated in creating some break opportunities (as opposed
from being gifted break chances via mishits) and didn't cash in after
the first set... some of that was good, timely play by Seppi some was
just mishitting and a few were bad shot selections...

Is he moving about 6" farther from the service line to get more angle
for that wide out first serve? Because he's trying to hit the wide one
harder and consequently his reliable down the T bomb is missing
more... that's his big ace collector, one he needs to be clicking to
beat the better players...

P



   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 20:05:56
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Federer did not impress me
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:30:02 -0800 (PST), Patrick Kehoe
<pkehoe@telus.net > wrote:

>He looked frustrated in creating some break opportunities (as opposed
>from being gifted break chances via mishits) and didn't cash in after
>the first set... some of that was good, timely play by Seppi some was
>just mishitting and a few were bad shot selections...

The thing is Seppi had a lot of break points. I think in the end it
was Seppi 0/10, Fed 3/10. But Fed had a lot of them right at the end.
For most of the match, Seppi had more break points, and some of them
he could easily have won. I am really surprised if anyone says Fed
played well in that match, except in a couple of games at the end of
the 1st set.