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Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:10:14
From: wkhedr
Subject: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
2009.

Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.





 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 23:54:37
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 10:46 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:40 am, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 12:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> > > 2009.
>
> > > Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> > > for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.
>
> > Yes, I am getting frustrated with his volleying game.
>
> > Regarding the volleying technique only, I have noticed that fed's
> > problems with his FH volleys are not due to his hands, but his knees.
> > Fed's knees are somewhat stiff when it comes to the FH volley. If you
> > see Edberg, Sampras, Rafter etc. their position at the net is like a
> > crouch. You don't reach for the volleys with your hands, you bend down
> > low to hit them.
>
> > Also, fed runs through the volleys. The "split-step" which is the most
> > crucial part of the volleying game (and the most difficult thing to
> > master) is missing in his approach to the volley.
>
> > Further, he commits very late to the volley. It is as if he is waiting
> > for an extra second before coming in. As a result he is very often
> > caught in no-man's land. If he decides to play a s/v point, he must
> > come commit fully so he can take the ball high and early.
>
> Federer is responding to the new law of the jungle: "If you come in
> most of the time, you are going to get slaughtered 7 out of 10
> times." Not worth the effort, especially if you want to actually win
> a match.

He doesn't have to come in most of the time, but he can come in as
soon as an opportunity presents itself. And he flubs some such
opportunities.

I cannot forget the swinging volley that he hit out in the second set
of last yrs Wim F to hand the break (and set) to Nadal. It was at a
perfect height, and he had plenty of open court.


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:15:51
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
"Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:4e8e0b62-4380-4b48-a061-5f542feaa577@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> I cannot forget the swinging volley that he hit out in the second set
> of last yrs Wim F to hand the break (and set) to Nadal. It was at a
> perfect height, and he had plenty of open court.


No guarantee he wins the match even if he makes that volley.



 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 22:46:01
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 30, 6:40=A0am, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 12:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> > 2009.
>
> > Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> > for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.
>
> Yes, I am getting frustrated with his volleying game.
>
> Regarding the volleying technique only, I have noticed that fed's
> problems with his FH volleys are not due to his hands, but his knees.
> Fed's knees are somewhat stiff when it comes to the FH volley. If you
> see Edberg, Sampras, Rafter etc. their position at the net is like a
> crouch. You don't reach for the volleys with your hands, you bend down
> low to hit them.
>
> Also, fed runs through the volleys. The "split-step" which is the most
> crucial part of the volleying game (and the most difficult thing to
> master) is missing in his approach to the volley.
>
> Further, he commits very late to the volley. It is as if he is waiting
> for an extra second before coming in. As a result he is very often
> caught in no-man's land. If he decides to play a s/v point, he must
> come commit fully so he can take the ball high and early.

Federer is responding to the new law of the jungle: "If you come in
most of the time, you are going to get slaughtered 7 out of 10
times." Not worth the effort, especially if you want to actually win
a match.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:37:37
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
wkhedr wrote:
> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> 2009.
>
> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.
>


He played some v Roddick - that's how confident he was of beating him.

Next time he plays Roddick in a slam I predict Roger will use 2-handed
bh & still win.



 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:48:40
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 7:40=A0pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 12:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> > 2009.
>
> > Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> > for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.
>
> Yes, I am getting frustrated with his volleying game.
>
> Regarding the volleying technique only, I have noticed that fed's
> problems with his FH volleys are not due to his hands, but his knees.
> Fed's knees are somewhat stiff when it comes to the FH volley. If you
> see Edberg, Sampras, Rafter etc. their position at the net is like a
> crouch. You don't reach for the volleys with your hands, you bend down
> low to hit them.
>
> Also, fed runs through the volleys. The "split-step" which is the most
> crucial part of the volleying game (and the most difficult thing to
> master) is missing in his approach to the volley.
>
> Further, he commits very late to the volley. It is as if he is waiting
> for an extra second before coming in. As a result he is very often
> caught in no-man's land. If he decides to play a s/v point, he must
> come commit fully so he can take the ball high and early.

Regarding the technique, I don't believe there is one technique that
if not followed, the volley or strokes will be wrong. I think what we
describe as a problem in volleying has to do with his over all game
that is based on placement and touch instead of power.

But I agree with the last part of your message, he is not fully
commited when he is volleying (afraid to lose the point) and yes, he
does not try to take the ball early in the highest position possible.
It's more like he will volley the ball where he gets it.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:43:37
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 2:10=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> 2009.
>
> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.

Serve volley is obselete.



  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 01:59:18
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:43:37 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 29, 2:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
>> 2009.
>>
>> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
>> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.
>
>Serve volley is obselete.


correct. personally i believe the first guy who develops the art of
the perfect dropshot can dominate this era for exactly the same
reasons that sv is obsolete. the ability to hit a really great
dropshot at will will frustrate these behind the baseliners like Rafa
far more than attempts to sv which are easily passed these days.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:40:27
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 12:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> 2009.
>
> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.

Yes, I am getting frustrated with his volleying game.

Regarding the volleying technique only, I have noticed that fed's
problems with his FH volleys are not due to his hands, but his knees.
Fed's knees are somewhat stiff when it comes to the FH volley. If you
see Edberg, Sampras, Rafter etc. their position at the net is like a
crouch. You don't reach for the volleys with your hands, you bend down
low to hit them.

Also, fed runs through the volleys. The "split-step" which is the most
crucial part of the volleying game (and the most difficult thing to
master) is missing in his approach to the volley.

Further, he commits very late to the volley. It is as if he is waiting
for an extra second before coming in. As a result he is very often
caught in no-man's land. If he decides to play a s/v point, he must
come commit fully so he can take the ball high and early.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:24:14
From: akamai
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 2:10 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> 2009.
>
> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.

A couple of times he came in today, he got passed or dumped the
volley. He can only rely on his BH volleys.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:21:04
From:
Subject: Re: Federer has not played S/V in his last six matches
On Jan 29, 3:10=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> although he played a lot of it, in the three tournaments he played in
> 2009.
>
> Not sure why, may be he is keeping it a surprise, so that he can do it
> for the first time against Nadal and fail badly.

I'm sure there are others, like maybe Stepanek, but the guy I've seen
this tournament who has
played the most serve-volley was Gasquet.

He used it a ton in both his first-round match and against Gonzo. I
didn't realize he played s/v that much on
hard court.