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Date: 30 Dec 2008 15:24:35
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.

Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
the win.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTMUryA_7A




 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 08:50:57
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On 1 jan, 16:19, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 31 2008, 3:08=A0pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 31 dec, 18:21, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 30, 6:24 pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > > > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > > > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > > > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > > > the win.
>
> > > >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > > lots of great points. =A0However, i'm wondering why Tim kept trying t=
o
> > > lob Roger when Roger is at the net. =A0How many overhead smashes does
> > > Rog have to hit before you try something else?
>
> > The highlights aren't arranged chronological. The editor deliberately
> > clustered similar points together for viewing pleasure. It results in
> > kind of a funny exhibition in serve, volleys, overheads and then
> > returns and passing shots.
>
> > Also, in the editors view, the successful lobs and passes from Tim
> > obviously threatened to bring down the Fed viewing pleasure :D
>
> > Here another two great exercises of a similar kind, featuring two
> > great ones of a similar kind going at it.
>
> > The first one featuring the one-to-two punch plays, the second with
> > the two-to-four punch plays, extremely high paced editing to
> > compliment the high paced play;
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dnj_YC5mV3zo
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D76phgh3Grjc
>
> that was fun, i watched them both. =A0the editing is a little too tight
> with the second one, but overall good stuff.
>
> I have so many clips of great Roger points from this match that i
> almost forgot that Pete had a lot of great points too.
>
> i wish i had the time for your *hobby*. =A0cheers.

Oh sorry, didn't mean to suggest I made those clips. Just posted the
links. The credit goes to the guy under the name federermagic on
youtube.


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 07:21:22
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 31 2008, 8:50=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > On Dec 31 2008, 5:24 am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> >> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> >> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> >> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> >> the win.
>
> >>http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
> > best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
> > Circumstances have made him abandon his net skills.
>
> Newbie.

Pete fucker.


 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 07:19:18
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 31 2008, 3:08=A0pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 31 dec, 18:21, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30, 6:24 pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > > the win.
>
> > >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > lots of great points. =A0However, i'm wondering why Tim kept trying to
> > lob Roger when Roger is at the net. =A0How many overhead smashes does
> > Rog have to hit before you try something else?
>
> The highlights aren't arranged chronological. The editor deliberately
> clustered similar points together for viewing pleasure. It results in
> kind of a funny exhibition in serve, volleys, overheads and then
> returns and passing shots.
>
> Also, in the editors view, the successful lobs and passes from Tim
> obviously threatened to bring down the Fed viewing pleasure :D
>
> Here another two great exercises of a similar kind, featuring two
> great ones of a similar kind going at it.
>
> The first one featuring the one-to-two punch plays, the second with
> the two-to-four punch plays, extremely high paced editing to
> compliment the high paced play;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dnj_YC5mV3zo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D76phgh3Grjc

that was fun, i watched them both. the editing is a little too tight
with the second one, but overall good stuff.

I have so many clips of great Roger points from this match that i
almost forgot that Pete had a lot of great points too.

i wish i had the time for your *hobby*. cheers.



 
Date: 01 Jan 2009 14:24:38
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:24:35 -0800 (PST), kaennorsing
<ljubitsis@hotmail.com > wrote:

>These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
>game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
>Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
>highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
>the win.
>
>http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTMUryA_7A

Thanks. Yes, the game has changed at Wimbledon, but OTOH a Federer
match against a Henman even today would look different than a Federer
match against Nadal.

Nice points there, but would have been nice to see how Henman won the
points too. He won the match anyway, and it doesn't seem like Fed
played badly. I have never seen this match, I though he might have had
a little letdown after the Sampras match, but maybe not.


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 20:58:31
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 31, 7:50=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > On Dec 31 2008, 5:24 am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> >> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> >> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> >> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> >> the win.
>
> >>http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
> > best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
> > Circumstances have made him abandon his net skills.
>
> Newbie.

Like you are one to talk, with your paper thin knowledge of tennis.

Rodjk #613


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:50:27
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Jan 1, 1:24=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 31, 6:59=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 31 2008, 5:24=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > > the win.
>
> > >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
> > best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
>
> That doesn't necessarily follow at all ...

It was not a generalized statement. Given Federer's talent and his
playing history, it does make sense. I think until 2004, his serve and
volley game, especially on grass, was great. If someone notices
Federer's game today, he might get the wrong impression. Federer had a
great allround game even back in 2001. It's a pity he took so long to
win a slam.

On a different note, from the video it is clear that Federer developed
his flick backhand quite early in his career. There was a flick bh
dropshot at the net there. He was at the net, let the ball bounce at
his feet and then just flicked it gently over the net. Very wristy.


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:17:11
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 31, 1:24=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 31, 6:59=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 31 2008, 5:24=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > > the win.
>
> > >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> > Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
> > best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
>
> That doesn't necessarily follow at all ...

Right. Great at one thing does not mean great at another.

Rodjk #613


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:08:07
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On 31 dec, 18:21, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 30, 6:24 pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > the win.
>
> >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTMUryA_7A
>
> lots of great points. However, i'm wondering why Tim kept trying to
> lob Roger when Roger is at the net. How many overhead smashes does
> Rog have to hit before you try something else?


The highlights aren't arranged chronological. The editor deliberately
clustered similar points together for viewing pleasure. It results in
kind of a funny exhibition in serve, volleys, overheads and then
returns and passing shots.

Also, in the editors view, the successful lobs and passes from Tim
obviously threatened to bring down the Fed viewing pleasure :D

Here another two great exercises of a similar kind, featuring two
great ones of a similar kind going at it.

The first one featuring the one-to-two punch plays, the second with
the two-to-four punch plays, extremely high paced editing to
compliment the high paced play;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_YC5mV3zo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76phgh3Grjc


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 10:59:11
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 31 2008, 5:24=A0am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> the win.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A

Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
Circumstances have made him abandon his net skills.


  
Date: 01 Jan 2009 12:50:31
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> On Dec 31 2008, 5:24 am, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
>> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>>
>> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
>> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
>> the win.
>>
>> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTMUryA_7A
>
> Federer could serve and volley great. It makes sense. A guy who is the
> best in all other departments must be great at the net, too.
> Circumstances have made him abandon his net skills.


Newbie.



 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 09:21:03
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 30, 6:24=A0pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> the win.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A

lots of great points. However, i'm wondering why Tim kept trying to
lob Roger when Roger is at the net. How many overhead smashes does
Rog have to hit before you try something else?



 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 03:26:02
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On 31 dec, 05:17, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 30, 5:24=A0pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> > game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> > Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> > highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> > the win.
>
> >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A
>
> Very interesting, thanks for posting it.
> I know it was just (Federer) highlights, but it was amazing to watch
> some of the points.
> Many, many "wow" points, and many of them with Federer at the net.
> Certainly many more than one per set.
>
> Rodjk #613

Yes, I'd like to see more of that kind of tennis today. Some of the
plays and reactions from Federer are superb. The clip also shows how
good Henman was at peak, without actually showing any of his
highlights.

It's clear to me how much things have changed and Federer himself was
aware of these changes, since he changed his game almost entirely to
suit conditions. His racquet is also bigger and I would think
significantly heavier today than in those days.


 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:17:06
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer highlights vs Henman W 2001
On Dec 30, 5:24=A0pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> These Federer highlights vs Henman are a good indication of how the
> game has changed over the years. Specifically at Wimbledon.
>
> Now don't get upset you Fedhaters; the clip features only Federer
> highlights and disregard the great plays Tim had to pull off to get
> the win.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwQTMUryA_7A

Very interesting, thanks for posting it.
I know it was just (Federer) highlights, but it was amazing to watch
some of the points.
Many, many "wow" points, and many of them with Federer at the net.
Certainly many more than one per set.

Rodjk #613