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Date: 14 Jan 2009 12:30:00
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later

ROGER Federer has proposed the Australian Open be moved to early
February to allow players more time to prepare for the first major
title of the year.

Federer said the two-week shift would enable lead-up events at
Kooyong, Sydney and Brisbane to be scheduled during the fortnight
currently occupied by the Open.

The world No. 2 has off-court clout too as Players' Council president
and he will raise the tournament calendar among issues with new
Association of Tennis Professionals executive chairman Adam Helfant, a
former Nike executive appointed last week.

"Definitely the calendar is always something we do talk about. To fix
the Australian Open problem, having more tournaments beforehand is to
move it backwards a couple of weeks so you have more of an Australian
swing," Federer said.

"It would be maybe better to have Doha and Abu Dhabi back-to-back,
instead of Doha and then coming back to the Middle East."

Tennis Australia has previously resisted shifting the Open back amid
concerns about how it would affect attendances outside the holiday
period and recruiting linespeople, ballboys and ballgirls with
businesses back at work and schools already into the first term.

(ed note: Australians are lazy bastards)

Federer is preparing to chase a record-equalling 14th grand slam title
at the Open and he got off to a flier yesterday dispatching Spaniard
Carlos Moya 6-2 6-3 in the AAMI Classic opening round.

"I'm just feeling it out, trying a few things here and there, taking
some more chances to maybe serve and volley a bit more," he said.

"It's just a matter of getting the footwork right, getting used to the
bounce, see how high it is, how does the spin react to the court, all
these things."

Federer is happy some of his main rivals, headed by top seed Rafael
Nadal and Scot Andy Murray are only practising at Melbourne Park.

"Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
preparation," he said.

"I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.

"It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
in the (Australian Open) semis a week later, so I would rather not
play him, to be honest. That's why Abu Dhabi was tough, playing
against Andy (Murray) in the first match of the season."

Federer, who announced he wants to play for at least four years after
the 2012 London Olympics, said Lleyton Hewitt was a strong chance to
rebuild his world ranking.

"I always love watching Lleyton play and he has come back from an
injury which is never easy. The biggest problem for him is being
unseeded, just getting tougher draws than he's used."

Federer should face a stiffer test today against in-form Spanish
left-hander Fernando Verdasco who beat Croatia's Marin Cilic 6-2 7-5.




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:59:12
From: marika
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:30=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later
>
> ROGER Federer has proposed the Australian Open be moved to early
> February to allow players more time to prepare for the first major
> title of the year.

did you happen to ask him how his presentations went?

>
> Federer said the two-week shift would enable lead-up events at
> Kooyong, Sydney and Brisbane to be scheduled during the fortnight
> currently occupied by the Open.

I did . . . I had to ASK????

>
> The world No. 2 has off-court clout too as Players' Council president
> and he will raise the tournament calendar among issues with new
> Association of Tennis Professionals executive chairman Adam Helfant, a
> former Nike executive appointed last week.

jeez, some weeks later, he was lame about THAT!

>
> "Definitely the calendar is always something we do talk about.

For God's sake, it's like he was afraid to give them the stuff


>To fix
> the Australian Open problem, having more tournaments beforehand is to
> move it backwards a couple of weeks so you have more of an Australian
> swing," Federer said.

What, because he's married?

>
> "It would be maybe better to have Doha and Abu Dhabi back-to-back,
> instead of Doha and then coming back to the Middle East."

Please. Anyway, he was so lame, and made it sound like he
couldn't have cared less.


>
> Tennis Australia has previously resisted shifting the Open back amid
> concerns about how it would affect attendances outside the holiday
> period and recruiting linespeople, ballboys and ballgirls with
> businesses back at work and schools already into the first term.

what's he got to be shy about for?

>
> (ed note: Australians are lazy bastards)
>

yeesh.

mk5000

"My employer has failed to pay me the prevailing wages he initially
agreed
on. Does anyone know of a way to make him pay without necessarily
getting a
lawyer involved"--andreas


 
Date: 15 Jan 2009 13:29:30
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later
>
> ROGER Federer has proposed the Australian Open be moved to early
> February to allow players more time to prepare for the first major
> title of the year.

This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it out of
school holidays.





  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:02:23
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 19, 12:42=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >> Get fucked. =A0The players are pampered enough - about time they had t=
o
> >> step up & earn their money. =A0Next thing you'll be asking for on cour=
t
> >> air conditioners.
>
> >> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the fuc=
k
> >> do we have FO?
>
> >> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players - if
> >> they can't step up too bad.
>
> > Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>
> > Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
> > If we don't show up, you don't get paid.
>
> If I were running things I'd ban fans like you.

I'm not a fan, like yourself - Sampras adorer.

I'm a spectator. And I bet the players would like to ban you.


> So what? =A0What do the soldiers in Iraq have to put up with

Tennis is a sport - and a wussy one at that. Let's not compare it to
anything other than ballet, OK?






  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:45:24
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 18, 6:59=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:51:54 GMT, Dave Hazelwood
>
>
>
> <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:36:14 +1100, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au>
> >wrote:
>
> >>chrome wrote:
> >>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
> >>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move =
it
> >>>>> out of school holidays.
>
> >>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
> >>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> >>> Agree with Dave! =A0They should threaten to take it away from the
> >>> Aussies!!! And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY W=
HEN
> >>> SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! =A0So that is no fatal thing=
if
> >>> it goes on while the kids are in school! =A0Doesn't stop our tourname=
nt
> >>> why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the Australian tourna=
ment?
>
> >>There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time fo=
r
> >>1st slam of the year.
>
> >It is too freakin HOT and it is torture on the players. As soon as
> >they make a move to shift it to Shanghai it's bye bye Melbourne as ALL
> >the players will vote yes including the Australians !
>
> and ya know what ? i bet then Australia will propose moving it out of
> the 40-50 degree season. lame ass fuckers.

Come on, Dave. Whisper is not all of Australia.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:33:43
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 19, 12:15=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO did=
n't have
> >> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any seriou=
s problem
> >>from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was =
over 40
> >> C.
>
> > Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and nevertheless
> > a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
> > can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
> > heat 1. The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
> > enjoy it the most either.
>
> Get fucked. =A0The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
> step up & earn their money. =A0Next thing you'll be asking for on court
> air conditioners.
>
> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the fuck
> do we have FO?
>
> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players - if
> they can't step up too bad.

Then tell us why there is a heat rule?

Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
If we don't show up, you don't get paid.

Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
Players become delirious. Fans pass out. Screw Australia and their
cancer causing spectating events!

We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.



   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 00:30:19
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:33:43 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com
wrote:

>On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> >> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
>> >> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
>> >>from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
>> >> C.
>>
>> > Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and nevertheless
>> > a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
>> > can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
>> > heat 1. The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
>> > enjoy it the most either.
>>
>> Get fucked.  The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
>> step up & earn their money.  Next thing you'll be asking for on court
>> air conditioners.
>>
>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the fuck
>> do we have FO?
>>
>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players - if
>> they can't step up too bad.
>
>Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>
>Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
>If we don't show up, you don't get paid.
>
>Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
>Players become delirious. Fans pass out. Screw Australia and their
>cancer causing spectating events!
>
>We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.


You can bite me anytime Princess !


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 07:59:42
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>>>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to
>>>> have to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>
>>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and
>>> nevertheless a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a
>>> place where people can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am
>>> afraid that in 40+ degree heat 1. The players are NOT at their best
>>> and 2. The spectators can't enjoy it the most either.
>>
>> Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
>> step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on court
>> air conditioners.
>>
>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the
>> fuck do we have FO?
>>
>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players -
>> if they can't step up too bad.
>
> Then tell us why there is a heat rule?

Because the officials caved in. They shouldn't have. But the heat rule still
allows for tough conditions. Yesterday would have been just short of triggering
the rule, so it was about the toughest it gets. It's possible that it will be
triggered today.

> Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
> If we don't show up, you don't get paid.

Attendance at the AO has been rising every year, so much so that they are
planning to spend millions making more room to fit people in. I believe the AO
also has the record for the largest one-day attendance at any slam, so that's a
bad argument.

> Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
> Players become delirious.

But that didn't happen in all the years there was no heat rule. That was my
point. These things that supposedly _could_ happen _didn't_ happen.

> Fans pass out.

Fans have the choice of not turning up.

> Screw Australia and their
> cancer causing spectating events!
>
> We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.

There's someone I'd like you to meet. Her name is Buffy.





    
Date: 20 Jan 2009 00:36:20
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:59:42 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>>>>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to
>>>>> have to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>>
>>>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and
>>>> nevertheless a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a
>>>> place where people can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am
>>>> afraid that in 40+ degree heat 1. The players are NOT at their best
>>>> and 2. The spectators can't enjoy it the most either.
>>>
>>> Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
>>> step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on court
>>> air conditioners.
>>>
>>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the
>>> fuck do we have FO?
>>>
>>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players -
>>> if they can't step up too bad.
>>
>> Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>
>Because the officials caved in. They shouldn't have. But the heat rule still
>allows for tough conditions. Yesterday would have been just short of triggering
>the rule, so it was about the toughest it gets. It's possible that it will be
>triggered today.
>
>> Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
>> If we don't show up, you don't get paid.
>
>Attendance at the AO has been rising every year, so much so that they are
>planning to spend millions making more room to fit people in. I believe the AO
>also has the record for the largest one-day attendance at any slam, so that's a
>bad argument.
>
>> Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
>> Players become delirious.
>
>But that didn't happen in all the years there was no heat rule. That was my
>point. These things that supposedly _could_ happen _didn't_ happen.
>
>> Fans pass out.
>
>Fans have the choice of not turning up.
>
>> Screw Australia and their
>> cancer causing spectating events!
>>
>> We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.
>
>There's someone I'd like you to meet. Her name is Buffy.

You simply can't win this argument.

Fans are waiting and beckoning in Shanghai and players prefer playing
in less torturous heat.

Given they can get MORE money and MORE fans and play in BETTER
conditions why would they want to stay and play in Australia ?

To suffer so Australians can enjoy their summer holidays ???

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Boy, are you guys on the WRONG track !


     
Date: 20 Jan 2009 12:20:15
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:59:42 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the
>>>>>> AO didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>>>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to
>>>>>> have to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>>>
>>>>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and
>>>>> nevertheless a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a
>>>>> place where people can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am
>>>>> afraid that in 40+ degree heat 1. The players are NOT at their
>>>>> best and 2. The spectators can't enjoy it the most either.
>>>>
>>>> Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had
>>>> to step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on
>>>> court air conditioners.
>>>>
>>>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the
>>>> fuck do we have FO?
>>>>
>>>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players -
>>>> if they can't step up too bad.
>>>
>>> Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>>
>> Because the officials caved in. They shouldn't have. But the heat
>> rule still allows for tough conditions. Yesterday would have been
>> just short of triggering the rule, so it was about the toughest it
>> gets. It's possible that it will be triggered today.
>>
>>> Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
>>> If we don't show up, you don't get paid.
>>
>> Attendance at the AO has been rising every year, so much so that
>> they are planning to spend millions making more room to fit people
>> in. I believe the AO also has the record for the largest one-day
>> attendance at any slam, so that's a bad argument.
>>
>>> Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
>>> Players become delirious.
>>
>> But that didn't happen in all the years there was no heat rule. That
>> was my point. These things that supposedly _could_ happen _didn't_
>> happen.
>>
>>> Fans pass out.
>>
>> Fans have the choice of not turning up.
>>
>>> Screw Australia and their
>>> cancer causing spectating events!
>>>
>>> We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.
>>
>> There's someone I'd like you to meet. Her name is Buffy.
>
> You simply can't win this argument.
>
> Fans are waiting and beckoning in Shanghai and players prefer playing
> in less torturous heat.
>
> Given they can get MORE money and MORE fans and play in BETTER
> conditions why would they want to stay and play in Australia ?

Because Australia has the tradition and history of being a slam. You can't make
an instant slam. Nobody would buy it. If the Chinese want to shower the players
with money they can have a Grand Slam Cup type event.





      
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:55:10
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:20:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:59:42 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the
>>>>>>> AO didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>>>>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to
>>>>>>> have to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and
>>>>>> nevertheless a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a
>>>>>> place where people can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am
>>>>>> afraid that in 40+ degree heat 1. The players are NOT at their
>>>>>> best and 2. The spectators can't enjoy it the most either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had
>>>>> to step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on
>>>>> court air conditioners.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the
>>>>> fuck do we have FO?
>>>>>
>>>>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players -
>>>>> if they can't step up too bad.
>>>>
>>>> Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>>>
>>> Because the officials caved in. They shouldn't have. But the heat
>>> rule still allows for tough conditions. Yesterday would have been
>>> just short of triggering the rule, so it was about the toughest it
>>> gets. It's possible that it will be triggered today.
>>>
>>>> Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
>>>> If we don't show up, you don't get paid.
>>>
>>> Attendance at the AO has been rising every year, so much so that
>>> they are planning to spend millions making more room to fit people
>>> in. I believe the AO also has the record for the largest one-day
>>> attendance at any slam, so that's a bad argument.
>>>
>>>> Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
>>>> Players become delirious.
>>>
>>> But that didn't happen in all the years there was no heat rule. That
>>> was my point. These things that supposedly _could_ happen _didn't_
>>> happen.
>>>
>>>> Fans pass out.
>>>
>>> Fans have the choice of not turning up.
>>>
>>>> Screw Australia and their
>>>> cancer causing spectating events!
>>>>
>>>> We want shade. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a neck to bite.
>>>
>>> There's someone I'd like you to meet. Her name is Buffy.
>>
>> You simply can't win this argument.
>>
>> Fans are waiting and beckoning in Shanghai and players prefer playing
>> in less torturous heat.
>>
>> Given they can get MORE money and MORE fans and play in BETTER
>> conditions why would they want to stay and play in Australia ?
>
>Because Australia has the tradition and history of being a slam. You can't make
>an instant slam. Nobody would buy it. If the Chinese want to shower the players
>with money they can have a Grand Slam Cup type event.
>
>


I would say any tradition if there is *any* would be the weakest of
all the slams. Need I cite 7543 ? ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
and I certainly don't think it would count for anything at all with
the players or the non-Australian fans.


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:42:02
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:


>> Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
>> step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on court
>> air conditioners.
>>
>> If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the fuck
>> do we have FO?
>>
>> AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players - if
>> they can't step up too bad.
>
> Then tell us why there is a heat rule?
>
> Tennis is all about the spectators - the players will tell you that.
> If we don't show up, you don't get paid.



If I were running things I'd ban fans like you.


>
> Heat can affect much more than just muscles, namely internal organs.
> Players become delirious. Fans pass out.


So what? What do the soldiers in Iraq have to put up with you dumb prick?


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 05:36:00
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 19, 8:24=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> chrome wrote:
> >>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
> >>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
> >>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>
> >>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
> >>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> >>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
> >>>>>> Aussies!!!
>
> >>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
> >>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
> >>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
> >>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
> >>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
> >>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>
> >>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
> >>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
> >>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
> >>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
> >>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
> >>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>
> >>>>>> Doesn't stop our
> >>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
> >>>>>> Australian tournament?
>
> >>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
> >>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
> >>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>
> >>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
> >>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
> >>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>
> >>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
> >>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
> >>> heat.
>
> >> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
> >> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
> >> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
> >> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>
> > Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*
>
> Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?
>
> > and nevertheless
> > a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
> > can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
> > heat 1.
>
> They don't have to play in 40 C any more.
>
> > The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
> > enjoy it the most either.
>
> > What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?
>
> The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each slam=
has
> its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot days per AO.

Heat is dangerous. Operative word: DANGEROUS!

Doesn't Australia have the highest skin cancer rate in the world? That
alone....

Move it - or lose it!

:)


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 07:48:17
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 8:24 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW"
>>>>>> <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China
>>>>>>>>> so the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>>>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>>>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you
>>>>>>> care? Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the
>>>>>>> problem is that the season break is too short, why is the only
>>>>>>> answer moving the _most important_ tournament in the nine
>>>>>>> months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make
>>>>>>> way for the small-fry events they insist on holding between
>>>>>>> September and December?
>>
>>>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no
>>>>>>>> fatal thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>>>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>>>>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>>>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>>>>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>>>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>>>>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your
>>>>>> school holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>
>>>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players,
>>>>> dangerous heat.
>>
>>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>>>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to
>>>> have to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>
>>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*
>>
>> Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?
>>
>>> and nevertheless
>>> a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where
>>> people can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in
>>> 40+ degree heat 1.
>>
>> They don't have to play in 40 C any more.
>>
>>> The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
>>> enjoy it the most either.
>>
>>> What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?
>>
>> The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each
>> slam has its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot
>> days per AO.
>
> Heat is dangerous. Operative word: DANGEROUS!
>
> Doesn't Australia have the highest skin cancer rate in the world? That
> alone....

You're confusing sunlight with heat. The sun at a given point in the sky is
just as dangerous for your skin regardless of temperature. You wear sunscreen
for that. What makes a hot day is the _air_ temperature.





   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:53:28
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:36:00 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com
wrote:

>On Jan 19, 8:24 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> >>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> chrome wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>> >>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>> >>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>> >>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> >>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>> >>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>> >>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>> >>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>> >>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>> >>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>> >>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>> >>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>> >>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>> >>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>> >>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>> >>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>> >>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>> >>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>> >>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>> >>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>> >>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>> >>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>> >>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>> >>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>> >>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>> >>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>> >>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>
>> >>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>> >>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>> >>> heat.
>>
>> >> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>> >> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>> >> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
>> >> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>
>> > Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*
>>
>> Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?
>>
>> > and nevertheless
>> > a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
>> > can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
>> > heat 1.
>>
>> They don't have to play in 40 C any more.
>>
>> > The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
>> > enjoy it the most either.
>>
>> > What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?
>>
>> The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each slam has
>> its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot days per AO.
>
>Heat is dangerous. Operative word: DANGEROUS!
>
>Doesn't Australia have the highest skin cancer rate in the world? That
>alone....
>
>Move it - or lose it!
>
>:)


that's what *will* happen too especially since roger is onboard.

no wonder they don't like him.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 05:34:30
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 19, 8:21=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 7:48 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> chrome wrote:
> >>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
> >>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
> >>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>
> >>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
> >>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> >>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
> >>>>>> Aussies!!!
>
> >>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
> >>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
> >>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
> >>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
> >>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
> >>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>
> >>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
> >>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
> >>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
> >>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
> >>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
> >>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>
> >>>>>> Doesn't stop our
> >>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
> >>>>>> Australian tournament?
>
> >>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
> >>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
> >>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>
> >>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
> >>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
> >>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>
> >>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
> >>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
> >>> heat.
>
> >> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
> >> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
> >> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
> >> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>
> > Come on ... the heat dictates the quality of play. As a spectator, I'd
> > give up first row seats at a final if I feel the heat is too much. And
> > I'm not the only one who feels that way.
>
> I was talking about the supposed danger of playing in heat. Now you've ch=
anged
> the subject.

It's all relative.


  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 05:05:59
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 19, 7:48=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> chrome wrote:
> >>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
> >>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
> >>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>
> >>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
> >>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> >>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
> >>>> Aussies!!!
>
> >>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
> >>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
> >>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
> >>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
> >>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
> >>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>
> >>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
> >>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
> >>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
> >>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
> >>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km
> >>> from the Melbourne CBD.
>
> >>>> Doesn't stop our
> >>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
> >>>> Australian tournament?
>
> >>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
> >>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
> >>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>
> >> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
> >> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
> >> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>
> > I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
> > Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
> > heat.
>
> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't=
have
> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious p=
roblem
> from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was ov=
er 40
> C.

Come on ... the heat dictates the quality of play. As a spectator, I'd
give up first row seats at a final if I feel the heat is too much. And
I'm not the only one who feels that way.




   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:11:53
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 7:48 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km
>>>>> from the Melbourne CBD.
>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>>>>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
>>>> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>>> heat.
>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
>> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
>> from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
>> C.
>
> Come on ... the heat dictates the quality of play. As a spectator, I'd
> give up first row seats at a final if I feel the heat is too much. And
> I'm not the only one who feels that way.
>
>


Ask Agassi what he feels about the Ozzie heat.



   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:28:14
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:05:59 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com
wrote:

>On Jan 19, 7:48 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> chrome wrote:
>> >>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>> >>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> >>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>> >>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>
>> >>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>> >>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> >>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>> >>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>> >>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>> >>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>> >>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>> >>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>> >>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>> >>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>> >>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>> >>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>> >>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>> >>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>> >>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km
>> >>> from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>> >>>> Doesn't stop our
>> >>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>> >>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>> >>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>> >>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>> >>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>> >> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
>> >> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>> >> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>
>> > I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>> > Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>> > heat.
>>
>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
>> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
>> from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
>> C.
>
>Come on ... the heat dictates the quality of play. As a spectator, I'd
>give up first row seats at a final if I feel the heat is too much. And
>I'm not the only one who feels that way.
>


sooner or later a player *will* drop dead and of course DavidW will
say the *heat* had nothing to do with it and that school holidays are
far more important anyway.


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 00:21:07
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 19, 7:48 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> blueskates1...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>
>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>
>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>>> heat.
>>
>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
>> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>
> Come on ... the heat dictates the quality of play. As a spectator, I'd
> give up first row seats at a final if I feel the heat is too much. And
> I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I was talking about the supposed danger of playing in heat. Now you've changed
the subject.





  
Date: 19 Jan 2009 04:36:09
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 18, 7:53=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >chrome wrote:
> >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
> >>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
> >>>> it out of school holidays.
>
> >>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
> >>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> >> Agree with Dave! =A0They should threaten to take it away from the
> >> Aussies!!!
>
> >Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care? Anywa=
y,
> >people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that the season =
break
> >is too short, why is the only answer moving the _most important_ tournam=
ent in
> >the nine months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make =
way for
> >the small-fry events they insist on holding between September and Decemb=
er?
>
> >> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
> >> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! =A0So that is no fatal
> >> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
> >Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school kid=
s to
> >get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from the Melbourne =
CBD.
>
> >> Doesn't stop our
> >> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
> >> Australian tournament?
>
> >If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already. =
They
> >seriously considered moving =A0it a couple of years ago. Holding it in J=
anuary
> >isn't a religious belief.
>
> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.

I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
heat.

It should be moved to a later date or another country.





   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:01:08
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:36:09 -0800 (PST), blueskates1111@aol.com
wrote:

>On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >chrome wrote:
>> >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>> >>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> >>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
>> >>>> it out of school holidays.
>>
>> >>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>> >>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> >> Agree with Dave!  They should threaten to take it away from the
>> >> Aussies!!!
>>
>> >Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care? Anyway,
>> >people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that the season break
>> >is too short, why is the only answer moving the _most important_ tournament in
>> >the nine months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for
>> >the small-fry events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>> >> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>> >> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!!  So that is no fatal
>> >> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>> >Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school kids to
>> >get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>> >> Doesn't stop our
>> >> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>> >> Australian tournament?
>>
>> >If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already. They
>> >seriously considered moving  it a couple of years ago. Holding it in January
>> >isn't a religious belief.
>>
>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
>> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>
>I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>heat.
>
>It should be moved to a later date or another country.


We got "karma" blueskates !


   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> chrome wrote:
>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>
>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km
>>> from the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
>> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>
> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
> heat.

People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
C.





    
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:08:37
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>>
>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>
>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>>
>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>>
>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>>
>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km
>>>> from the Melbourne CBD.
>>>
>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>>
>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>>>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>>
>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
>>> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>
>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>> heat.
>
>People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
>a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
>from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
>C.

Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and nevertheless
a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
heat 1. The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
enjoy it the most either.

What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?

It is sooooooooooooooo fucking obvious !

Oh wait ! You are one of "those".


     
Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:15:19
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO didn't have
>> a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who suffered any serious problem
>>from playing in heat. They used to have to play in the sun when it was over 40
>> C.
>
> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky* and nevertheless
> a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
> can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
> heat 1. The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
> enjoy it the most either.


Get fucked. The players are pampered enough - about time they had to
step up & earn their money. Next thing you'll be asking for on court
air conditioners.

If a slam isn't meant to be about torturous marathons then why the fuck
do we have FO?

AO & the heat is just another different challenge for the players - if
they can't step up too bad.


     
Date: 20 Jan 2009 00:24:18
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>>
>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>>>
>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>>>
>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>>>
>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>>>
>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>>
>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>>> heat.
>>
>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
>> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>
> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*

Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?

> and nevertheless
> a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
> can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
> heat 1.

They don't have to play in 40 C any more.

> The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
> enjoy it the most either.
>
> What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?

The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each slam has
its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot days per AO.





      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:50:34
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:24:18 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>>>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>>>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>>>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>>>> heat.
>>>
>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
>>> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>
>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*
>
>Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?
>
>> and nevertheless
>> a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
>> can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
>> heat 1.
>
>They don't have to play in 40 C any more.
>
>> The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
>> enjoy it the most either.
>>
>> What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?
>
>The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each slam has
>its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot days per AO.
>


excuses excuses all so that the lazy aussies can have their tennis
during school vacation at the players expense .

it will move to asia. that's inevitable.


      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:45:10
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"DavidW" <no@email.provided > wrote in message
news:1a%cl.22818$1k1.20047@newsfe14.iad...
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:48:15 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 18, 7:53 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> chrome wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>>>>>> "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to
>>>>>>>>> move it out of school holidays.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so
>>>>>>>> the players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>>>>>> Aussies!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>>>>>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is
>>>>>> that the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving
>>>>>> the _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO
>>>>>> and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry
>>>>>> events they insist on holding between September and December?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>>>>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>>>>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for
>>>>>> school kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1
>>>>>> km from the Melbourne CBD.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't stop our
>>>>>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>>>>>> Australian tournament?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>>>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years
>>>>>> ago. Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away
>>>>> from the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
>>>>> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's too hot to play during that time of the year in
>>>> Australia. It's unbearable for the spectators and players, dangerous
>>>> heat.
>>>
>>> People keep saying it's dangerous, but during all the years the AO
>>> didn't have a heat policy I'm not aware of a single player who
>>> suffered any serious problem from playing in heat. They used to have
>>> to play in the sun when it was over 40 C.
>>
>> Hey look it *is* dangerous but they have been *lucky*
>
> Right, lucky match after match, year after year. How lucky is that?
>
>> and nevertheless
>> a slam should not be a heat torture marathon but a place where people
>> can enjoy the BEST tennis possible and I am afraid that in 40+ degree
>> heat 1.
>
> They don't have to play in 40 C any more.
>
>> The players are NOT at their best and 2. The spectators can't
>> enjoy it the most either.
>>
>> What is so fucking difficult to understand about that ?
>
> The heat is a good test for the players' fitness and endurance. Each slam
> has
> its unique elements. Usually there are not many very hot days per AO.

Yes, at USO it's the noise, planes, Wimbledon nerves, pressure to hold
serve, FO mental fatigue, stamina, grinding, and of course AO, heat and the
extreme conditions that test player's fitness.




  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 04:48:21
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:29:30 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later
>>
>> ROGER Federer has proposed the Australian Open be moved to early
>> February to allow players more time to prepare for the first major
>> title of the year.
>
>This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it out of
>school holidays.
>
>


Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:32:14
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote...
> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it
>>out of school holidays.
>>
> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.

Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the Aussies!!!
And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS
FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal thing if it goes on while
the kids are in school! Doesn't stop our tournament why do crappy excuses
like this need to mess up the Australian tournament?



    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
>>> it out of school holidays.
>>>
>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
> Aussies!!!

Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care? Anyway,
people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that the season break
is too short, why is the only answer moving the _most important_ tournament in
the nine months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for
the small-fry events they insist on holding between September and December?

> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!

Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school kids to
get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from the Melbourne CBD.

> Doesn't stop our
> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
> Australian tournament?

If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already. They
seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago. Holding it in January
isn't a religious belief.





     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:21:05
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"DavidW" <no@email.provided > wrote...
> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already.
> They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago. Holding it
> in January isn't a religious belief.

Not sure why I agreed with Dave there, little dizzy spell there, he wants to
move it to China FFS, *****but it could be moved one week I think.***** I
do think it's a crappy excuse not to at least move it one week. US Open has
its last week in the school year, so why can't the Aussies do this. Doesn't
present any big problems really that way - hey gives you something to look
forward to in your first week back to work! And don't need as many kids for
second week. Kids week can be first week, second week is like grown-ups
week. Sounds good to me and that's what they do at the US Open. Can't be
that bad on the Aussies.

Obviously you can't move the Aussie Open from Australia though. That would
be the ultimate corporate backstabbing of the game of tennis, and there's
already been plenty of greed influencing and distorting the direction of the
game...



      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 07:19:59
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote...
>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>
> Not sure why I agreed with Dave there, little dizzy spell there, he
> wants to move it to China FFS, *****but it could be moved one week I
> think.***** I do think it's a crappy excuse not to at least move it
> one week. US Open has its last week in the school year, so why can't
> the Aussies do this. Doesn't present any big problems really that
> way - hey gives you something to look forward to in your first week
> back to work! And don't need as many kids for second week. Kids
> week can be first week, second week is like grown-ups week. Sounds
> good to me and that's what they do at the US Open. Can't be that bad
> on the Aussies.

Okay, that makes sense. The first week is when it's really buzzing, with lots
of singles matches on outside courts. In the 2nd week it's mostly the stadiums
and expensive seats. One week then. Put it to TA.





       
Date: 19 Jan 2009 04:53:14
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"DavidW" <no@email.provided > wrote...
> Okay, that makes sense. The first week is when it's really buzzing, with
> lots
> of singles matches on outside courts. In the 2nd week it's mostly the
> stadiums
> and expensive seats. One week then. Put it to TA.
>

Sounds good. Maybe I'll try that.

One week shift: the definitely doable solution.



       
Date: 19 Jan 2009 00:29:17
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:19:59 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>chrome wrote:
>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote...
>>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>> Not sure why I agreed with Dave there, little dizzy spell there, he
>> wants to move it to China FFS, *****but it could be moved one week I
>> think.***** I do think it's a crappy excuse not to at least move it
>> one week. US Open has its last week in the school year, so why can't
>> the Aussies do this. Doesn't present any big problems really that
>> way - hey gives you something to look forward to in your first week
>> back to work! And don't need as many kids for second week. Kids
>> week can be first week, second week is like grown-ups week. Sounds
>> good to me and that's what they do at the US Open. Can't be that bad
>> on the Aussies.
>
>Okay, that makes sense. The first week is when it's really buzzing, with lots
>of singles matches on outside courts. In the 2nd week it's mostly the stadiums
>and expensive seats. One week then. Put it to TA.
>
>


one week is not enough. there was a time when nobody played the AO and
maybe its time again no ?


     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:55:37
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>chrome wrote:
>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
>>>> it out of school holidays.
>>>>
>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>> Aussies!!!
>
>Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care? Anyway,
>people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that the season break
>is too short, why is the only answer moving the _most important_ tournament in
>the nine months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for
>the small-fry events they insist on holding between September and December?
>
>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
>Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school kids to
>get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from the Melbourne CBD.
>
>> Doesn't stop our
>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>> Australian tournament?
>
>If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already. They
>seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago. Holding it in January
>isn't a religious belief.
>
>

Anyway they tout the AO as the "Asian" slam. Fuck that noise. Shanghai
is Asia and they will have no problem filling the stadium either.
Actually Hong Kong may be even better or even Japan !


     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:53:29
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>chrome wrote:
>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
>>>> it out of school holidays.
>>>>
>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>> Aussies!!!
>
>Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care? Anyway,
>people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that the season break
>is too short, why is the only answer moving the _most important_ tournament in
>the nine months between the USO and FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for
>the small-fry events they insist on holding between September and December?
>
>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>
>Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school kids to
>get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from the Melbourne CBD.
>
>> Doesn't stop our
>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>> Australian tournament?
>
>If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it already. They
>seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago. Holding it in January
>isn't a religious belief.
>
>


It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.


      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:36:44
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:27 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> chrome wrote:
>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move
>>>>> it out of school holidays.
>>>>>
>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>
>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>> Aussies!!!
>>
>> Why? Just so the players can have a longer break? Why do you care?
>> Anyway, people have the situation arse about. If the problem is that
>> the season break is too short, why is the only answer moving the
>> _most important_ tournament in the nine months between the USO and
>> FO? Why the fuck should a slam make way for the small-fry events
>> they insist on holding between September and December?
>>
>>> And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY
>>> WHEN SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal
>>> thing if it goes on while the kids are in school!
>>
>> Maybe that's because the USO is too far from civilization for school
>> kids to get to even if they were on holidays. The AO is 1 km from
>> the Melbourne CBD.
>>
>>> Doesn't stop our
>>> tournament why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the
>>> Australian tournament?
>>
>> If it was a crappy excuse Tennis Australia would have moved it
>> already. They seriously considered moving it a couple of years ago.
>> Holding it in January isn't a religious belief.
>>
>>
>
>
> It's not the "break". It's the unbearable HEAT which takes away from
> the tournament just so you lazy Aussies can enjoy your school
> holidays. I say fuck that noise, move it to Shanghai.

The heat gave us one of the greatest slam finals ever - Hingis/Capriati 2002.





    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 18:36:14
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it
>>> out of school holidays.
>>>
>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>
> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
> Aussies!!! And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY WHEN
> SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal thing if
> it goes on while the kids are in school! Doesn't stop our tournament
> why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the Australian tournament?


There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time for
1st slam of the year.



     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:28:31
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote...
> There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time for
> 1st slam of the year.

Players deserve more of a break. And like Federer says may help other
tournaments like Kooyong. But yeah, it should never be moved from
Australia, that would be senseless. Just goofing a little agreeing with
Dave on such a point. Actually that is trolling of course. Apologies. And
certainly not China, land of the poisoned air and water, not to mention
communists. It should be moved one week I think though, like US Open, first
week for kids and during their vacation, second week into the school year
and more for grown-ups. You guys can still watch tennis at work for one
week. Gives you something to look forward to at the start of the work
period.

One week even would mean alot to the players for whom this is the only
significant break of the year. I want better quality tennis, not tennis
players who are like mice on a treadmill, who don't even have time to look
around a little.



      
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:15:52
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>> There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time
>> for 1st slam of the year.
>
> Players deserve more of a break. And like Federer says may help other
> tournaments like Kooyong. But yeah, it should never be moved from
> Australia, that would be senseless. Just goofing a little agreeing with
> Dave on such a point. Actually that is trolling of course. Apologies.
> And certainly not China, land of the poisoned air and water, not to
> mention communists. It should be moved one week I think though, like US
> Open, first week for kids and during their vacation, second week into
> the school year and more for grown-ups. You guys can still watch tennis
> at work for one week. Gives you something to look forward to at the
> start of the work period.
>
> One week even would mean alot to the players for whom this is the only
> significant break of the year. I want better quality tennis, not tennis
> players who are like mice on a treadmill, who don't even have time to
> look around a little.


These guys are pros & should be able to produce top quality tennis at
drop of a hat. Sure their xmas break is on the short side, but it's a
very small issue & not worth disrupting the calendar. The players will
always complain about something so the media has something to write.


     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:51:54
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:36:14 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>chrome wrote:
>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it
>>>> out of school holidays.
>>>>
>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>
>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>> Aussies!!! And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY WHEN
>> SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal thing if
>> it goes on while the kids are in school! Doesn't stop our tournament
>> why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the Australian tournament?
>
>
>There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time for
>1st slam of the year.


It is too freakin HOT and it is torture on the players. As soon as
they make a move to shift it to Shanghai it's bye bye Melbourne as ALL
the players will vote yes including the Australians !


      
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:59:30
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:51:54 GMT, Dave Hazelwood
<the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:36:14 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>chrome wrote:
>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote...
>>>> "DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:
>>>>> This comes up every year. It's tiresome. They aren't going to move it
>>>>> out of school holidays.
>>>>>
>>>> Then the ATP should move that slam out of Australia to China so the
>>>> players don't have to suffer for pickyune Australians.
>>>
>>> Agree with Dave! They should threaten to take it away from the
>>> Aussies!!! And I'd point out the US Open occurs 8/31-9/13 PRECISELY WHEN
>>> SCHOOL BEGINS FOR MOST KIDS IN THE USA!! So that is no fatal thing if
>>> it goes on while the kids are in school! Doesn't stop our tournament
>>> why do crappy excuses like this need to mess up the Australian tournament?
>>
>>
>>There's nothing wrong with AO - 3 weeks after new year is ideal time for
>>1st slam of the year.
>
>
>It is too freakin HOT and it is torture on the players. As soon as
>they make a move to shift it to Shanghai it's bye bye Melbourne as ALL
>the players will vote yes including the Australians !


and ya know what ? i bet then Australia will propose moving it out of
the 40-50 degree season. lame ass fuckers.


       
Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:39:15
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:51:54 GMT, Dave Hazelwood
>>
>> It is too freakin HOT and it is torture on the players. As soon as
>> they make a move to shift it to Shanghai it's bye bye Melbourne as
>> ALL the players will vote yes including the Australians !
>
>
> and ya know what ? i bet then Australia will propose moving it out of
> the 40-50 degree season. lame ass fuckers.

That's a whole bunch of anti-Aussie posts. Whisper has really got under your
skin.





 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 23:40:43
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> preparation," he said.
>
> "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,





See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
out of context. What a load of crock.

McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
- even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.




  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 08:58:26
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 18, 1:06=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Rodjk #613 wrote:
> >> Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fe=
d
> >> doesn't deserve them either. =A0It would be like giving an award to a
> >> murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20=
.
>
> > Funny how his peers consistently label Federer as one of, if not the
> > classiest guy on tour. But your trolling knows no bounds.
>
> Ask Murray/Rafa/Djoker if they think Fed is a nice guy. =A0Ask them off
> the record in private.

As yes, the silent majority...who cannot seem to speak out loud.
All we can know about what the players think is what they tell us, and
they tell us unanimously that Fed is very classy.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 04:52:38
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 18, 6:46=A0am, "chrome" <chr...@nospam.invalid > wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
> > It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention.
>
> You're excusing that kind of thing from Mac. =A0Even Mac doesn't excuse t=
hese
> horrendous outbursts he had. =A0As a Mac fan, I can say that aspect of hi=
m was
> no part of his appeal for me, and I didn't find it cute or anything. =A0H=
e
> just needed to be hammered by the umpires, hammered by the tennis
> establishment. =A0He needed a hammering. =A0Of course, in his greatest ye=
ar 1984
> he was relatively speaking well-behaved as I recall.

Better than normal, although there was the famous indicent in
Stockholm and the appalling behvaiour in the DC final (not just from
McEnroe, his team-mates weren't blameless)





  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:14:30
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 11:25=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> >> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. =A0Insulting =
your
> >> peers is far worse imo. =A0Mac did not know that woman, & if someone w=
ho
> >> didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
> >> hilarious.
>
> > That's absolutely ridiculous.
>
> > You're making pathetic excuses for McEnroe's appalling behaviour. It
> > is not clear that he said them in jest, in fact most of his comments
> > to people he didn't know were nasty, crude and extremely insulting. No-
> > one found them funny.
>
> > I was at one of his matches last year and he went into his usual
> > tiresome antics over a line call, and started a triade of abuse
> > against some poor woman (who I actually knew), shouting at her "You
> > f***king fat bitch". McEnroe wasn't laughing and the woman certainly
> > wasn't, having to sit there in front of hundreds of people listening
> > to this idiot. I would have loved her to get up and smack him around
> > the face and see how he liked that - maybe he would have recognised
> > that it was in jest and laughed heartily?
>
> > I liked McEnroe as a player and he is an excellent TV commentator, but
> > his behaviour cannot be excused. Please don't try to compare this sort
> > of thing with a couple of nothing comments Federer made about another
> > player in a press conference. You are only showing your own bias.
>
> Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fed
> doesn't deserve them either. =A0It would be like giving an award to a
> murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20.

Funny how his peers consistently label Federer as one of, if not the
classiest guy on tour. But your trolling knows no bounds.

No Mac fan should ever say anything about another players behavior.
Not ever.

Rodjk #613


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 18:06:56
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Rodjk #613 wrote:
>> Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fed
>> doesn't deserve them either. It would be like giving an award to a
>> murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20.
>
> Funny how his peers consistently label Federer as one of, if not the
> classiest guy on tour. But your trolling knows no bounds.
>


Ask Murray/Rafa/Djoker if they think Fed is a nice guy. Ask them off
the record in private.


    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:47:17
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:06:56 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Rodjk #613 wrote:
>>> Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fed
>>> doesn't deserve them either. It would be like giving an award to a
>>> murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20.
>>
>> Funny how his peers consistently label Federer as one of, if not the
>> classiest guy on tour. But your trolling knows no bounds.
>>
>
>
>Ask Murray/Rafa/Djoker if they think Fed is a nice guy. Ask them off
>the record in private.


i already did and they said yes the nicest guy they ever met.


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 06:51:04
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Rodjk #613" <rjkardo@gmail.com > wrote...
> No Mac fan should ever say anything about another players
> behavior. Not ever.


I'm a Mac fan and I'll say anything about behavior I like. Being a Mac fan
doesn't mean admiring Mac's court antics. To use that familiar turn of
phrase, "it's the tennis, stupid." :)

Mac deserved a thoroughgoing hammering from the umpires that he didn't get
until his career was ending. Mac should have been hammered by the umpires
and hammered by the tennis associations for this kind of behavior. Hammered
and hammered and hammered. He wasn't and that is their fault as much as
his, because they were at that point complicit.



  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:09:57
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 5:04=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:496f11a5$0$2603$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
>
> > thunderbolt....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be
> >>> extremely
> >>> blunt.
> >>> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> >>> something like that).
>
> >>> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> >>> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> >>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even th=
e
> >>> classiest #1 ever?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> =A0 If you ask me Rafa and Roger are both total class. I bet Fed
> >> wouldn't use
> >> crushed again given the chance. Everyone says things that should have
> >> been said differently. When you speak several languages, it's easier
> >> to dismiss.
>
> > The thing is Roddick wasn't even involved =A0- it was all about Murray.=
Yet
> > Fed still attacks the innocent bystander, same as his vicious attack on
> > Jankovic the other day.
>
> What was that about?

Nothing. It was RST trolling again.
Nothing to talk about, really.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:08:41
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 3:21=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 3:45=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the =
week
> > > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed =
him
> > > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is a=
lways
> > > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is ta=
ken
> > > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon f=
inal
> > > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> > that comment.
>
> Has anyone explicitly defended this particular remark?
>
> Joe Ramirez

No one, other than some trolls here, seemed to think anything of it.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:07:41
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 11:25=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> >> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. =A0Insulting =
your
> >> peers is far worse imo. =A0Mac did not know that woman, & if someone w=
ho
> >> didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
> >> hilarious.
>
> > That's absolutely ridiculous.
>
> > You're making pathetic excuses for McEnroe's appalling behaviour. It
> > is not clear that he said them in jest, in fact most of his comments
> > to people he didn't know were nasty, crude and extremely insulting. No-
> > one found them funny.
>
> > I was at one of his matches last year and he went into his usual
> > tiresome antics over a line call, and started a triade of abuse
> > against some poor woman (who I actually knew), shouting at her "You
> > f***king fat bitch". McEnroe wasn't laughing and the woman certainly
> > wasn't, having to sit there in front of hundreds of people listening
> > to this idiot. I would have loved her to get up and smack him around
> > the face and see how he liked that - maybe he would have recognised
> > that it was in jest and laughed heartily?
>
> > I liked McEnroe as a player and he is an excellent TV commentator, but
> > his behaviour cannot be excused. Please don't try to compare this sort
> > of thing with a couple of nothing comments Federer made about another
> > player in a press conference. You are only showing your own bias.
>
> Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fed
> doesn't deserve them either. =A0It would be like giving an award to a
> murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20.

Sure he does.
Only you and other troll-types cannot admit it.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:07:07
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 3:13=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 14-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
> >> don't particularly care for Djokovic's
> >> behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
> >> But I don't think that's as bad as
> >> saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
> >> that. That's really uncalled for.
>
> > I tend to agree that using the term "crush" is a bit rude. =A0Would you=
say
> > something like that to your opponent's face? =A0I know I wouldn't and w=
ould
> > think twice before saying it to the media as well. =A0I think he is flu=
ent
> > enough in English to realize what he is doing here.
>
> Yes, even when I beat my opponent 60 62 last week I kept telling people
> he wasn't really that bad, aced me 7 times etc. =A0Everyone knows it was =
a
> drubbing without me saying so. =A0Fed seems to have a lot of insecurities=
.
>
> > On the other hand,
> > comparing what he said to the kinds of stuff McEnroe has pulled is dish=
onest
> > at best.
>
> There is a difference. =A0Personally disparaging your peers seems to be a
> unique Federer trait. =A0He always throws in some humble stuff in the sam=
e
> interview to cover himself (so he thinks). =A0It's good in a way as it
> will define his character & is something different from the usual
> niceties, but let's not pretend he's some kind of nice guy in the Edberg
> mold - he's more like Edberg's evil brother.

Ummm. I see you are using the name Federer in your post.
But, really, who are you talking about?

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 12:04:38
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
> Joe Ramirez
>
> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. =A0Insulting you=
r
> peers is far worse imo. =A0Mac did not know that woman, & if someone who
> didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
> hilarious.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

You're making pathetic excuses for McEnroe's appalling behaviour. It
is not clear that he said them in jest, in fact most of his comments
to people he didn't know were nasty, crude and extremely insulting. No-
one found them funny.

I was at one of his matches last year and he went into his usual
tiresome antics over a line call, and started a triade of abuse
against some poor woman (who I actually knew), shouting at her "You
f***king fat bitch". McEnroe wasn't laughing and the woman certainly
wasn't, having to sit there in front of hundreds of people listening
to this idiot. I would have loved her to get up and smack him around
the face and see how he liked that - maybe he would have recognised
that it was in jest and laughed heartily?

I liked McEnroe as a player and he is an excellent TV commentator, but
his behaviour cannot be excused. Please don't try to compare this sort
of thing with a couple of nothing comments Federer made about another
player in a press conference. You are only showing your own bias.








   
Date: 16 Jan 2009 16:25:34
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Joe Ramirez
>>
>> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. Insulting your
>> peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that woman, & if someone who
>> didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
>> hilarious.
>
> That's absolutely ridiculous.
>
> You're making pathetic excuses for McEnroe's appalling behaviour. It
> is not clear that he said them in jest, in fact most of his comments
> to people he didn't know were nasty, crude and extremely insulting. No-
> one found them funny.
>
> I was at one of his matches last year and he went into his usual
> tiresome antics over a line call, and started a triade of abuse
> against some poor woman (who I actually knew), shouting at her "You
> f***king fat bitch". McEnroe wasn't laughing and the woman certainly
> wasn't, having to sit there in front of hundreds of people listening
> to this idiot. I would have loved her to get up and smack him around
> the face and see how he liked that - maybe he would have recognised
> that it was in jest and laughed heartily?
>
> I liked McEnroe as a player and he is an excellent TV commentator, but
> his behaviour cannot be excused. Please don't try to compare this sort
> of thing with a couple of nothing comments Federer made about another
> player in a press conference. You are only showing your own bias.
>
>


Ok, but I don't see Mac winning any sportsmanship/good guy awards - Fed
doesn't deserve them either. It would be like giving an award to a
murderer because he only killed 2 people while the other guy killed 20.


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 10:43:51
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Gonz=E1lez_Nicolini?=
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 3:39=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> > TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> >>> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>> *skriptis wrote:
> >>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> >>>>>> *skriptis <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe eve=
n the
> >>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
> >>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape usin=
g racial
> >>>>>> slurs.
> >>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about bu=
t if it
> >>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting wit=
h an
> >>>>> unspecified remark.
>
> >>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal =
do?
> >>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the =A0changeover, Nada=
l gives him
> >>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was =
one, was
> >>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evi=
l eye
> >>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few s=
econds of
> >>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retor=
ts with
> >>> "C=E1llate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south=
american"
> >>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immi=
grants.
>
> >>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and=
Roddick,
> >>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>
> >>> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something yo=
u do to
> >>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you =
a hint:
> >>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
> >> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's =
a
> >> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network jus=
t
> >> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBz9Yg59QrSw&mode=3Dsuggested&search=3D
>
> >> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
> >> deal imo.
>
> >> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all thes=
e
> >> years...you....you....South American! ;)
>
> > I am almost completely sure I have heard it, from another camera angle.=
But
> > all the searches direct me to that argentine tv clip.
>
> > (and, of course, Argentine press made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stink out of =
that
> > one)
>
> > As I said, not a huge deal, but not exactly "classiest #1 Evar!!!" mate=
rial.
> > That talk is clearly CEIBS, when the ATP award for sportmanship carries=
the
> > name of someone who was playing less than 20 years ago.
>
> For a moment I was afraid you were going to call me an European. :)

:-D

> Don't you think that this gil/gillipoli thing has some sense though?

Could be - particularly since "gil" is a really mild form of
"dumb" (kind of like, I don't know, maybe "doofus"?).


   
Date: 16 Jan 2009 00:33:31
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:43:51 -0800 (PST), Javier González Nicolini
<jagonzal@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 15, 3:39 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> > TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
>> >> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> >>> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
>> >>>> *skriptis wrote:
>> >>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>> >>>>>> *skriptis <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>> >>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>> >>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>> >>>>>> slurs.
>> >>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>> >>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>> >>>>> unspecified remark.
>>
>> >>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>> >>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the  changeover, Nadal gives him
>> >>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
>> >>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
>> >>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
>> >>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
>> >>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
>> >>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.
>>
>> >>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
>> >>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>>
>> >>> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
>> >>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
>> >>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
>> >> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
>> >> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
>> >> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>>
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=
>>
>> >> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
>> >> deal imo.
>>
>> >> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
>> >> years...you....you....South American! ;)
>>
>> > I am almost completely sure I have heard it, from another camera angle. But
>> > all the searches direct me to that argentine tv clip.
>>
>> > (and, of course, Argentine press made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stink out of that
>> > one)
>>
>> > As I said, not a huge deal, but not exactly "classiest #1 Evar!!!" material.
>> > That talk is clearly CEIBS, when the ATP award for sportmanship carries the
>> > name of someone who was playing less than 20 years ago.
>>
>> For a moment I was afraid you were going to call me an European. :)
>
>:-D
>
>> Don't you think that this gil/gillipoli thing has some sense though?
>
> Could be - particularly since "gil" is a really mild form of
>"dumb" (kind of like, I don't know, maybe "doofus"?).

Great, now people start studying what Nadal said almost as carefully
as they have been doing with Federer for some time. Just what we
needed...



    
Date: 16 Jan 2009 02:10:18
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:43:51 -0800 (PST), Javier González Nicolini
> <jagonzal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 15, 3:39 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>>> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>>>>>> *skriptis <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>>>>>>>>> slurs.
>>>>>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>>>>>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>>>>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>>>>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives him
>>>>>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
>>>>>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
>>>>>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
>>>>>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
>>>>>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
>>>>>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.
>>>>>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
>>>>>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>>>>>> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
>>>>>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
>>>>>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
>>>>> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
>>>>> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
>>>>> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=
>>>>> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
>>>>> deal imo.
>>>>> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
>>>>> years...you....you....South American! ;)
>>>> I am almost completely sure I have heard it, from another camera angle. But
>>>> all the searches direct me to that argentine tv clip.
>>>> (and, of course, Argentine press made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stink out of that
>>>> one)
>>>> As I said, not a huge deal, but not exactly "classiest #1 Evar!!!" material.
>>>> That talk is clearly CEIBS, when the ATP award for sportmanship carries the
>>>> name of someone who was playing less than 20 years ago.
>>> For a moment I was afraid you were going to call me an European. :)
>> :-D
>>
>>> Don't you think that this gil/gillipoli thing has some sense though?
>> Could be - particularly since "gil" is a really mild form of
>> "dumb" (kind of like, I don't know, maybe "doofus"?).
>
> Great, now people start studying what Nadal said almost as carefully
> as they have been doing with Federer for some time. Just what we
> needed...
>

:-)

Nadal says only a tenth of what he feels, if that much. See, I am
learning to read minds too! ;-)

--
Cheers,

vc


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 10:16:13
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 2:33 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Shakes wrote:
>
> > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > for their ego.
>
> > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > bla bla."
>
> > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> So if I said you were fat & ugly & Wendy said you
> were unfit because of xmas festivities we are both equally good people?
> Wendy gets no credit for diplomacy?

she does esp. if you don't mention why you think i am fat & ugly, :-).


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 10:20:31
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 11:57=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e82446-63a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
> >> *skriptis wrote:
> >>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> >>>> *skriptis <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> >>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even =
the
> >>>>> classiest #1 ever?
> >>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
> >>>> racial
> >>>> slurs.
>
> >>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but =
if
> >>> it
> >>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with =
an
> >>> unspecified remark.
>
> >> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do=
?
>
> > During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the =A0changeover, Nadal =
gives
> > him
> > the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was on=
e,
> > was
> > having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil =
eye
> > shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
> > seconds of
> > Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
> > with
> > "C=E1llate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
> > american"
> > but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
> > immigrants.
>
> So what's racial about it? I see no problems. Living in Spain or in South
> America doesn't make you any better or worse.

The point is to draw a distinction between "pure" European Spaniards
and South Americans with Amerindian heritage. It's clearly a racial
category. Why are you elevating your own understanding of the term
above that of Javier, a native South American?

> This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".

Assuming you mean "no more derogatory," that's incorrect.

>
> If you had said "bad manners" well we could discuss it, but then again,
> telling your peer to shut up, with a wee bit of insult, or telling the sa=
me
> to someone who is old enought to be your parent hardly makes any differen=
ce.
>
> It's not as if Nadal boosted difference between him and Gaudio that favor
> him. Race, looks, talent or something like that.

That's exactly what he did if the quotation is accurate. Again, this
appears to have been a minor episode in the history of tennis
invective, and one that certainly won't tarnish Nadal's overall
reputation. But Javier is right, it *was* an episode. Don't feel you
have to explain it away just because you backed yourself into a
difficult position with the "classiest no. 1 ever" suggestion.

Joe Ramirez




   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 19:51:12
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:44e6fb1a-05ec-46bb-a755-f25c7947a49d@e10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

The point is to draw a distinction between "pure" European Spaniards
and South Americans with Amerindian heritage. It's clearly a racial
category. Why are you elevating your own understanding of the term
above that of Javier, a native South American?

***

I am not elevating anything, merely discussing. From my point of view, (and
it's not about Nadal anymore, because it's been proven it was Argentian
hoax) I didn't see anything racial about it.
He later claimed it was an actually an ethnic insult, but I am doubtful of
that as well.




> This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".

Assuming you mean "no more derogatory," that's incorrect.

***

For you, ok. I'd get more offended if someone calls me "dumb" than states my
place of origin using whatever name. The latter is complete bullshit, the
former, well, in some situations I might think about it, depending who says
it, and when.





> It's not as if Nadal boosted difference between him and Gaudio that favor
> him. Race, looks, talent or something like that.

That's exactly what he did if the quotation is accurate.

***

How so? In what way is a typical South American worse/less worthy than
Spaniard that is considered inapropriate to mention it?


> Again, this
appears to have been a minor episode in the history of tennis
invective, and one that certainly won't tarnish Nadal's overall
reputation. But Javier is right, it *was* an episode. Don't feel you
have to explain it away just because you backed yourself into a
difficult position with the "classiest no. 1 ever" suggestion.

***

I always liked Edberg, and Nadal, as we've said already isn't the best
candidate for overall, both on-court and off-court title "classiest ever". I
accept the fact that his behavior on court might iritate some players, and
even though he doesn't do it on purpose, I won't say he's the classiest
ever. But I repeat, I'd find Federer much more iritating if I were eg
Roddick beacuse of what he said about me. It's much worse to hear that than
wait for Nadal to scratch his ass before the serve.



But off-court, he's just as classy as Edberg, perhaps even more, considering
the constrast, his Connors-like behaviour during matches, and later
interviews. That impresses me more than someone like Edberg who is a total
class.




  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:44:39
From: Darkfalz
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 12:35=A0pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com..=
.
>
> > > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > >> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > >> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > >> > > preparation," he said.
>
> > >> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the=
week
> > >> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > >> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed=
him
> > >> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > >> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out o=
f
> > >> > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is =
always
> > >> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > >> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is t=
aken
> > >> > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > >> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon =
final
> > >> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > >> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > >> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > >> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > >> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be describe=
d
> > >> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > >> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> > >> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> > >> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vast=
ly
> > >> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> > >> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> > >> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> > >> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> > >> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> > >> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> > >> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> > >> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> > >> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's Internationa=
l
> > >> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> > >> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> > >> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> > >> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> > >> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> > >> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]=
."
> > >> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> > >> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> > >> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> > >> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> > >> Joe Ramirez
>
> > > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > > for their ego.
>
> > > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > > bla bla."
>
> > > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> > Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer=
is
> > an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> > Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> > Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> > That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you w=
ish,
> > classy or not.
>
> > Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extre=
mely
> > blunt.
> > Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> > something like that).
>
> > But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> > earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> > If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> > classiest #1 ever?
>
> Just pointing out that fed is not any different from other top players
> who are viewed as "classy". All of them are arrogant. Some just hide
> it better. That doesn't necessarily make them a hypocrite, though.
>
> I agree about nadal. He seems to be the most down-to-earth #1 i have
> seen recently.- Hide quoted text -

Yeah but sometimes Nadal's false modesty is a bit nauseating "he's for
sure the best player ever" after beating Federer.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:42:55
From: Darkfalz
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 15, 7:57=A0am, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 14-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the
> > > > > week
> > > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed =
him
> > > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is a=
lways
> > > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is ta=
ken
> > > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
> > > > final
> > > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> > that comment.
>
> > Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
> > don't particularly care for Djokovic's
> > behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
> > But I don't think that's as bad as
> > saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
> > that. That's really uncalled for.
>
> I tend to agree that using the term "crush" is a bit rude. =A0Would you s=
ay
> something like that to your opponent's face? =A0I know I wouldn't and wou=
ld
> think twice before saying it to the media as well. =A0I think he is fluen=
t
> enough in English to realize what he is doing here. =A0On the other hand,
> comparing what he said to the kinds of stuff McEnroe has pulled is dishon=
est
> at best.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I remember the match. Knobbick looked pretty crushed to me, after the
"closing the gap" crap he was touting the week before.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:26:24
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 8:48=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 7:48 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >>> On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >>>>>> "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> >>>>>> preparation," he said.
> >>>>>> "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the w=
eek
> >>>>>> before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
> >>>>>> "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed h=
im
> >>>>>> in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
> >>>>> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> >>>>> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is a=
lways
> >>>>> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> >>>>> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is ta=
ken
> >>>>> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
> >>>>> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon f=
inal
> >>>>> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
> >>>> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> >>>> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> >>>> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> >>>> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be describe=
d
> >>>> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
> >>>> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> >>>> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> >>>> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vast=
ly
> >>>> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
> >>>> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> >>>> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> >>>> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> >>>> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> >>>> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> >>>> representative McEnroe antics:
> >>>> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> >>>> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's Internationa=
l
> >>>> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> >>>> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> >>>> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> >>>> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> >>>> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> >>>> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]=
."
> >>>> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> >>>> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
> >>>> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> >>>> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
> >>>> Joe Ramirez
> >>> Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> >>> becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> >>> for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> >>> for their ego.
> >>> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> >>> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> >>> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
> >>> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> >>> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> >>> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> >>> bla bla."
> >>> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> >>> courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> >>> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> >>> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> >>> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> >>> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> >>> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> >>> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
> >> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federe=
r is
> >> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> >> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> >> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> >> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you =
wish,
> >> classy or not.
>
> >> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extr=
emely
> >> blunt.
> >> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> >> something like that).
>
> >> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> >> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> >> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> >> classiest #1 ever?
>
> > Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
> > behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
> > least as "classy" during matches.
>
> That's why his racket breaking techniques have been compared to Safin I
> guess. Or did we forget that already?

Federer's tantrums are mostly in his past. Nadal's stalling tactics
are a part of his present. Neither man has been, or is, perfect on the
court. But both are generally good, and will be viewed by history as
such.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:35:43
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> >> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> >> > > preparation," he said.
>
> >> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> >> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> >> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> >> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> >> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> >> > context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> >> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> >> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> >> > out of context. What a load of crock.
>
> >> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> >> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> >> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> >> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> >> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> >> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> >> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> >> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> >> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> >> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> >> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> >> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> >> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> >> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> >> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> >> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> >> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> >> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> >> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> >> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> >> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> >> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> >> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> >> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> >> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> >> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> >> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> >> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> >> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > for their ego.
>
> > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > bla bla."
>
> > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer is
> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wish,
> classy or not.
>
> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extremely
> blunt.
> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> something like that).
>
> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?

Just pointing out that fed is not any different from other top players
who are viewed as "classy". All of them are arrogant. Some just hide
it better. That doesn't necessarily make them a hypocrite, though.

I agree about nadal. He seems to be the most down-to-earth #1 i have
seen recently.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:18:49
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:48=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> >> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> >> > > preparation," he said.
>
> >> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the w=
eek
> >> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> >> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed h=
im
> >> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> >> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> >> > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is al=
ways
> >> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> >> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is tak=
en
> >> > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> >> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon fi=
nal
> >> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> >> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> >> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> >> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> >> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> >> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> >> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> >> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> >> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> >> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> >> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> >> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> >> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> >> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> >> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> >> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> >> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> >> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> >> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> >> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> >> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> >> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> >> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> >> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> >> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> >> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> >> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> >> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > for their ego.
>
> > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > bla bla."
>
> > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer i=
s
> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wis=
h,
> classy or not.
>
> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extreme=
ly
> blunt.
> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> something like that).
>
> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?

Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
least as "classy" during matches. And no male no. 1 in the open era
can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's. He put out
about as low a level of BS as it's possible for a tennis player to
have. No delays. No gamesmanship. No fake injuries. No theatrics. No
pouting. Rarely any kind of argument. In my opinion, on-court conduct
is more important than off-court commentary. Anyone who is interviewed
enough eventually will say thoughtless things.

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:20:38
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote...
> ...Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
> behavior is merely good, not impeccable.

Good point, Nadal is a great sports hero and impeccable off the court, but
obviously doing 3 second extended matador flourishes after you hit a passing
shot is quite ridiculous. If you ask me it should be against the rules.

When such bits of theatre are incorporated into a whole style and court
persona, it certainly isn't classy.

If anything it's Connors-like, and Connors may be the least classy guy to
ever play pro tennis. But Nadal is way better than Connors, so I don't mean
to demean Nadal like that.

But Nadal classy on court. Not particularly.

Federer is fairly classy, at least when he's winning! Federer has a
capacity to become a whiny little boy on court though. That's part of Fed's
mental problem with tennis I guess though too, not part of a court
classiness discussion perhaps...



    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:50:18
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:20:38 GMT, "chrome" <chrome@nospam.invalid >
wrote:

>"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote...
>> ...Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
>> behavior is merely good, not impeccable.
>
>Good point, Nadal is a great sports hero and impeccable off the court, but
>obviously doing 3 second extended matador flourishes after you hit a passing
>shot is quite ridiculous. If you ask me it should be against the rules.
>
>When such bits of theatre are incorporated into a whole style and court
>persona, it certainly isn't classy.
>
>If anything it's Connors-like, and Connors may be the least classy guy to
>ever play pro tennis. But Nadal is way better than Connors, so I don't mean
>to demean Nadal like that.
>
>But Nadal classy on court. Not particularly.
>
>Federer is fairly classy, at least when he's winning! Federer has a
>capacity to become a whiny little boy on court though. That's part of Fed's
>mental problem with tennis I guess though too, not part of a court
>classiness discussion perhaps...


Connors would rip Rafa apart.


     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:42:14
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote...
> Connors would rip Rafa apart.

Maybe, but I'd certainly love to see that match. I don't believe Rafa is
that great and of course Connors would not much mind those high balls I
think and Connors being a lefty would deprive Rafa of the advantage he has
over Federer. Connors' flat deep shots would not please Rafa. Yeah, that'd
be a great match, prime Connors versus prime Rafa. Even 39 year old Connors
of 1991 US Open quality would be great to see against Nadal.



   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 11:58:11
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:519e96fd-8534-4818-954d-9b111a077b32@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 14, 7:48 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> >> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> >> > > preparation," he said.
>
> >> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the
> >> > > week
> >> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> >> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed
> >> > > him
> >> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> >> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> >> > context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> >> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> >> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is
> >> > taken
> >> > out of context. What a load of crock.
>
> >> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
> >> > final
> >> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> >> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> >> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> >> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> >> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> >> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> >> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> >> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> >> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> >> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> >> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> >> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> >> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> >> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> >> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> >> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> >> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> >> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> >> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> >> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> >> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> >> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> >> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> >> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> >> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> >> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> >> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> >> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > for their ego.
>
> > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > bla bla."
>
> > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer is
> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you
> wish,
> classy or not.
>
> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be
> extremely
> blunt.
> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> something like that).
>
> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?

Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
least as "classy" during matches. And no male no. 1 in the open era
can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's. He put out
about as low a level of BS as it's possible for a tennis player to
have. No delays. No gamesmanship. No fake injuries. No theatrics. No
pouting. Rarely any kind of argument. In my opinion, on-court conduct
is more important than off-court commentary. Anyone who is interviewed
enough eventually will say thoughtless things.

---

It was a long time ago when Borg played, and if we can't stick to only
present when discussing tennis, we should at least try stick in this
subject. :)
Who is to exactly remember the daily interviews etc. I had the feeling we
were mostly disucssing off-court behaviour here.
But I won't disagree on you with Borg who was great in his on-court
behaviour. I'll just ask you why is the sportmanship award named after
Edberg then? :)


So, we're talking about off court, but yes, Nadal's on court behaviour, even
though he doesn't do it on purpose, isn't, like you said, impeccable.
Having said all that there is a tendency to level both Fed and Rafa, Rafa is
better off-court, Fed on-court.

But personally, I don't get annoyed, or get very little annoyed by my
oponnet's behavior, whatever that is, unless he does it on purpose to
distract me. Bottles, bouncing, etc.
So from my point of view, I put Rafa above Fed.

And maybe I am little biased, because when I first saw Nadal on court he
reminded me of Hewitt, and I know I was pleasantly surprised when I heared
him in some interviews later, and when I saw that his fist pumpings weren't
directed to his oponent, etc..impossible combo in a way, fierce competitor
but with lot of respect. And I liked it.




   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 21:41:37
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Joe Ramirez wrote:

> Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
> behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
> least as "classy" during matches.


Of course he isn't. Remember 2007 Wimbledon final when Roger sniped at
him 'Challenge that!'? No way would Rafa ever stoop to that level. And
this was after Rafa successfully challenged every call - appalling
behavior from Roger & woulda embarrassed Laver & co.



> And no male no. 1 in the open era
> can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's.


er, Rodney George Laver & Ken Rosewall for starters?


> He put out
> about as low a level of BS as it's possible for a tennis player to
> have. No delays. No gamesmanship. No fake injuries. No theatrics. No
> pouting. Rarely any kind of argument. In my opinion, on-court conduct
> is more important than off-court commentary. Anyone who is interviewed
> enough eventually will say thoughtless things.
>
> Joe Ramirez


You gotta admit Fed is very predictable - every time he loses or someone
else is perceived as fave he automatically comes out with these pearls.



    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:28:16
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote...
>> And no male no. 1 in the open era
>> can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's.
>
> er, Rodney George Laver & Ken Rosewall for starters?
>

Certainly those two had very good behavior, but since we're talking about
nit-picking at this level and since you are claiming these two are BETTER
behaved than Borg, what example can you give of Borg behaving worse these
these two?

Are you saying Borg was stuck-up or something like that with his icy court
presence, and that's bad behavior? I recall seeing Rod Laver whack balls
out of a stadium when upset with his play. Not that that's a big deal, but
certainly Borg would never have done that, so I can see an argument for Borg
being better behaved.

The old guys of tennis had a certain annoying form of behavior. It was a
certain peevishness. Like kicking the dirt or something like that.
Something that I'd associate with a 10-year old in little league. I think
the older guys of tennis would do that kind of stupid thing, though it was
harmless.

Borg on the other hand, never anything like that. A man of ice. Almost
like a Buddha out there, I might say. I'd say I can see Joe's argument more
clearly than I can see yours.



     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 18:35:09
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>>> And no male no. 1 in the open era
>>> can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's.
>>
>> er, Rodney George Laver & Ken Rosewall for starters?
>>
>
> Certainly those two had very good behavior, but since we're talking
> about nit-picking at this level and since you are claiming these two are
> BETTER behaved than Borg, what example can you give of Borg behaving
> worse these these two?
>
> Are you saying Borg was stuck-up or something like that with his icy
> court presence, and that's bad behavior? I recall seeing Rod Laver
> whack balls out of a stadium when upset with his play. Not that that's
> a big deal, but certainly Borg would never have done that, so I can see
> an argument for Borg being better behaved.




I have clips of Borg throwing his racket in disgust at Wimbledon & also
arguing with umpire & refusing to play on at YEC - giving umpire a long
1 minute death stare. Laver would never have done that.



>
> The old guys of tennis had a certain annoying form of behavior. It was
> a certain peevishness. Like kicking the dirt or something like that.
> Something that I'd associate with a 10-year old in little league. I
> think the older guys of tennis would do that kind of stupid thing,
> though it was harmless.
>
> Borg on the other hand, never anything like that. A man of ice. Almost
> like a Buddha out there, I might say. I'd say I can see Joe's argument
> more clearly than I can see yours.



Only because you haven't seen enough of Borg to make this kind of
assessment. As I said I have video footage.


      
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:38:39
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote...
> I have clips of Borg throwing his racket in disgust at Wimbledon & also
> arguing with umpire & refusing to play on at YEC - giving umpire a long 1
> minute death stare. Laver would never have done that.
>

True, yeah, forgot about that. I have seen it, forgot about it for the
moment. So point conceded, Borg not as well-behaved as Laver Rosewall
countless others from that era. The era when "The Code" was taken more
seriously. Ashe was a model citizen as well, right? Ashe and Rosewall I've
only seen in clips or extended clips, not whole matches.

And BTW, these guys are all the unsung heroes of tennis in my book.
Dismissed as from a "bygone era" of "tennis with pants" and such by many
twits out here when in fact those guys were playing the real game of tennis
while today we have this "tennis rackets on steroids" counterfeit.

And of course Borg too was one of the "real tennis" heroes, as were Mac and
the others who made results under the standard sized racket period (68 sq
in).



      
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:49:36
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:35:09 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>chrome wrote:
>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>>>> And no male no. 1 in the open era
>>>> can claim to have had better on-court behavior than Borg's.
>>>
>>> er, Rodney George Laver & Ken Rosewall for starters?
>>>
>>
>> Certainly those two had very good behavior, but since we're talking
>> about nit-picking at this level and since you are claiming these two are
>> BETTER behaved than Borg, what example can you give of Borg behaving
>> worse these these two?
>>
>> Are you saying Borg was stuck-up or something like that with his icy
>> court presence, and that's bad behavior? I recall seeing Rod Laver
>> whack balls out of a stadium when upset with his play. Not that that's
>> a big deal, but certainly Borg would never have done that, so I can see
>> an argument for Borg being better behaved.
>
>
>
>
>I have clips of Borg throwing his racket in disgust at Wimbledon & also
>arguing with umpire & refusing to play on at YEC - giving umpire a long
>1 minute death stare. Laver would never have done that.
>
>
>
>>
>> The old guys of tennis had a certain annoying form of behavior. It was
>> a certain peevishness. Like kicking the dirt or something like that.
>> Something that I'd associate with a 10-year old in little league. I
>> think the older guys of tennis would do that kind of stupid thing,
>> though it was harmless.
>>
>> Borg on the other hand, never anything like that. A man of ice. Almost
>> like a Buddha out there, I might say. I'd say I can see Joe's argument
>> more clearly than I can see yours.
>
>
>
>Only because you haven't seen enough of Borg to make this kind of
>assessment. As I said I have video footage.


then post it.


    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 12:08:14
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:496f12e1$0$2608$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>
>> Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
>> behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
>> least as "classy" during matches.
>
>
> Of course he isn't. Remember 2007 Wimbledon final when Roger sniped at
> him 'Challenge that!'? No way would Rafa ever stoop to that level. And
> this was after Rafa successfully challenged every call - appalling
> behavior from Roger & woulda embarrassed Laver & co.


Yes, that was very bad.

Also how he told Djokovics to shut up. It was funny, and he was right in a
way, but I doubt Rafa would ever do such a thing.

So it's not that Roger's on-court behaviour is better than Rafa's despite
Rafa's bouncing which isn't done with purpose of distracting the oponent.




     
Date: 15 Jan 2009 11:35:48
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:08:14 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
>"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>news:496f12e1$0$2608$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>
>>> Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
>>> behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
>>> least as "classy" during matches.
>>
>>
>> Of course he isn't. Remember 2007 Wimbledon final when Roger sniped at
>> him 'Challenge that!'? No way would Rafa ever stoop to that level. And
>> this was after Rafa successfully challenged every call - appalling
>> behavior from Roger & woulda embarrassed Laver & co.
>
>
>Yes, that was very bad.
>
>Also how he told Djokovics to shut up. It was funny, and he was right in a
>way, but I doubt Rafa would ever do such a thing.
>
>So it's not that Roger's on-court behaviour is better than Rafa's despite
>Rafa's bouncing which isn't done with purpose of distracting the oponent.
>


yeah sure it's not har har hardy har.


   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 03:48:24
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Jan 14, 7:48 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>>>> "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
>>>>>> preparation," he said.
>>>>>> "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
>>>>>> before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>>>>>> "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
>>>>>> in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>>>>> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
>>>>> context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
>>>>> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
>>>>> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
>>>>> out of context. What a load of crock.
>>>>> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
>>>>> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>>>> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
>>>> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
>>>> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
>>>> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
>>>> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>>>> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
>>>> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
>>>> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
>>>> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>>>> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
>>>> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
>>>> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
>>>> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
>>>> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
>>>> representative McEnroe antics:
>>>> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
>>>> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
>>>> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
>>>> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
>>>> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
>>>> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
>>>> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
>>>> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
>>>> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
>>>> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>>>> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
>>>> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>>>> Joe Ramirez
>>> Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
>>> becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
>>> for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
>>> for their ego.
>>> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
>>> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
>>> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>>> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
>>> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
>>> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
>>> bla bla."
>>> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
>>> courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
>>> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
>>> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
>>> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
>>> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
>>> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
>>> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer is
>> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>>
>> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
>> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
>> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wish,
>> classy or not.
>>
>> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extremely
>> blunt.
>> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
>> something like that).
>>
>> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
>> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>>
>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>> classiest #1 ever?
>
> Nadal is certainly modest and courteous off-court, but his on-court
> behavior is merely good, not impeccable. I would say Federer is at
> least as "classy" during matches.

That's why his racket breaking techniques have been compared to Safin I
guess. Or did we forget that already?


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:13:59
From: thunderbolt.bob@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:48=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> >> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> >> > > preparation," he said.
>
> >> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the w=
eek
> >> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> >> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed h=
im
> >> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> >> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> >> > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is al=
ways
> >> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> >> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is tak=
en
> >> > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> >> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon fi=
nal
> >> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> >> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> >> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> >> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> >> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> >> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> >> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> >> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> >> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> >> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> >> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> >> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> >> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> >> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> >> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> >> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> >> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> >> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> >> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> >> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> >> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> >> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> >> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> >> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> >> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> >> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> >> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> >> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> >> Joe Ramirez
>
> > Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> > becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> > for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> > for their ego.
>
> > People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> > while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> > does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> > Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> > semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> > match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> > bla bla."
>
> > Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> > courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> > surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> > confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> > confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> > "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> > inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> > about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer i=
s
> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wis=
h,
> classy or not.
>
> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extreme=
ly
> blunt.
> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> something like that).
>
> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If you ask me Rafa and Roger are both total class. I bet Fed
wouldn't use
crushed again given the chance. Everyone says things that should have
been said differently. When you speak several languages, it's easier
to dismiss.


   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 21:36:22
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
thunderbolt.bob@gmail.com wrote:
>> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extremely
>> blunt.
>> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
>> something like that).
>>
>> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
>> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>>
>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>> classiest #1 ever?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> If you ask me Rafa and Roger are both total class. I bet Fed
> wouldn't use
> crushed again given the chance. Everyone says things that should have
> been said differently. When you speak several languages, it's easier
> to dismiss.



The thing is Roddick wasn't even involved - it was all about Murray.
Yet Fed still attacks the innocent bystander, same as his vicious attack
on Jankovic the other day.



    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 12:04:52
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:496f11a5$0$2603$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> thunderbolt.bob@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be
>>> extremely
>>> blunt.
>>> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
>>> something like that).
>>>
>>> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
>>> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>>>
>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>> classiest #1 ever?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> If you ask me Rafa and Roger are both total class. I bet Fed
>> wouldn't use
>> crushed again given the chance. Everyone says things that should have
>> been said differently. When you speak several languages, it's easier
>> to dismiss.
>
>
>
> The thing is Roddick wasn't even involved - it was all about Murray. Yet
> Fed still attacks the innocent bystander, same as his vicious attack on
> Jankovic the other day.


What was that about?




  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 16:29:26
From: Shakes
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> > out of context. What a load of crock.
>
> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> Joe Ramirez

Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
for their ego.

People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.

Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
bla bla."

Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
"better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:11:40
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com > wrote...
> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> bla bla."
>
> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> courier or chang can beat him....

Good points. Baseball players in the USA do a certain "schtick" when they
talk to the press, where they try to appear positive and somewhat humble
even if they think they are the greatest thing in the world.

Sampras' press interactions seem to fit in this tradition.

You could say Fed is talking more like an administrator of the tennis world,
believing he has influence to call for something like a two week shift in a
grand slam tournament, while Whisper is comparing this "mode" of
conversation with Pete's "political" blather and nonsense talk about having
tough matches with 69mph serving Michael Chang. Totally different contexts.
Fed is fine in his context.

> (his past record against them, which he
> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.

Yeah, apt. "Diplomatic" or I'd call it "sports politics." Pete strived for
an athletic competency complemented by political media interactions,
instructed by what baseball players etc in USA try to do. Not saying that's
anything bad either. But Fed is not that type.

Fed speaks his mind and in this instance sees himself as someone with some
influence, kind of like James Blake with his administrative position over
the players (last I heard), and he's bringing in evidence of matches played,
how "crushing" someone at the slam while they beat you the week before,
means that tournament of the week before CANNOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. His
point is that Kooyong could be a much better tournament with this change,
obviously, and that's the reason for pointing out the "crushing" of Roddick.



   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 21:33:51
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Shakes wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> for their ego.
>
> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> bla bla."
>
> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.


So if I said you were fat & ugly & Wendy said you
were unfit because of xmas festivities we are both equally good people?
Wendy gets no credit for diplomacy?




   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 01:48:40
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>
>> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
>> > > preparation," he said.
>>
>> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
>> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>>
>> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
>> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>>
>> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
>> > context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
>> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
>> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
>> > out of context. What a load of crock.
>>
>> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
>> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>>
>> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
>> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
>> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
>> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
>> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>>
>> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
>> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
>> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
>> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>>
>> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
>> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
>> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
>> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
>> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
>> representative McEnroe antics:
>>
>> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
>> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
>> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
>> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
>> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
>> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
>> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
>> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
>> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
>> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>>
>> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
>> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>>
>> Joe Ramirez
>
> Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
> becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
> for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
> for their ego.
>
> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>
> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
> bla bla."
>
> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
> courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.


Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer is
an honest man. Unbelieveable.

Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wish,
classy or not.

Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extremely
blunt.
Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
something like that).

But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.

If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
classiest #1 ever?




    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 21:35:12
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
*skriptis wrote:
> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a054c926-e1a3-48a8-a0dc-65ad8e93adb4@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 14, 10:08 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>>> "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
>>>>> preparation," he said.
>>>>> "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
>>>>> before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>>>>> "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
>>>>> in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>>>> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
>>>> context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
>>>> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
>>>> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
>>>> out of context. What a load of crock.
>>>> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
>>>> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>>> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
>>> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
>>> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
>>> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
>>> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>>>
>>> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
>>> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
>>> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
>>> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>>>
>>> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
>>> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
>>> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
>>> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
>>> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
>>> representative McEnroe antics:
>>>
>>> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
>>> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
>>> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
>>> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
>>> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
>>> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
>>> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
>>> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
>>> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
>>> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>>>
>>> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
>>> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>>>
>>> Joe Ramirez
>> Personally, I don't see how fed is any different from sampras or
>> becker or lendl. All of them have huge egos. It's almost like a fuel
>> for their achievements. They wouldn't have succeeded as much if not
>> for their ego.
>>
>> People confuse modesty with being diplomatic. Sampras was diplomatic
>> while fed is not. Does that make sampras more modest than fed ? or
>> does that make fed more arrogant than sampras ? I don't think so.
>>
>> Let's say sampras is playing a chang or courier in a slam final or
>> semi-final. He would say to the press, "It's gonna be a difficult
>> match for me, you know. I hope I can play well enough to win ... bla
>> bla bla."
>>
>> Now sampras knows that there is a very small probability that either
>> courier or chang can beat him (his past record against them, which he
>> surely remembers, is proof of that). Within himself, he is supremely
>> confident. But, to the outside world, he doesn't express his
>> confidence, while fed does tend to do that. Does that make sampras a
>> "better human being" than fed ? I don't think so. Why ? Because,
>> inside their minds, both have the same emotion except one guy speaks
>> about it while the other hides it behind a diplomatic front.
>
>
> Now you're making it like Sampras was somekind of hypocrite and Federer is
> an honest man. Unbelieveable.
>
> Nadal surely has some ego as well, yet remember how he commented on
> Djokovic's FO 2006 remarks "I was in control".
> That's classy.. You can tell the truth and be honest in both ways you wish,
> classy or not.
>
> Nobody is saying Federer is a rude guy, and Swiss are known to be extremely
> blunt.
> Hinigis' remark about Mauresmo at 1999 AO (She looks like half-man or
> something like that).
>
> But stop making him a saint (not you). And I agree with what you said
> earlier, Fed is no different from Sampras, Lendl, etc.
>
> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?
>
>



Fedfuckers should just ask themselves 'Woulda Laver say that?'.



    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 04:26:46
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
> classiest #1 ever?

You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
slurs.


     
Date: 15 Jan 2009 12:02:03
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote in message
news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>> classiest #1 ever?
>
> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
> slurs.


Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
unspecified remark.




      
Date: 15 Jan 2009 17:12:03
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
*skriptis wrote:
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>> classiest #1 ever?
>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>> slurs.
>
>
> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
> unspecified remark.
>
>

Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


       
Date: 15 Jan 2009 12:44:46
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> *skriptis wrote:
>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>>> slurs.
>>
>>
>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>> unspecified remark.
>>
>
> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?

During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives him
the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
"Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.

Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".

Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?


        
Date: 16 Jan 2009 16:20:20
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>
> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>
> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?



If it's Federer I'm lodging a formal complaint & lawsuit.


        
Date: 15 Jan 2009 19:37:36
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>> *skriptis wrote:
>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>>>> slurs.
>>>
>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>> unspecified remark.
>>>
>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>
> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives him
> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.
>
> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>
> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?

Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=

But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
deal imo.


Some discussion on it here:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-83038.html

Couple comments from the thread(I edited grammatical errors):


GAUDIO: Don't play dumb. Don't be a smartass.
NADAL: I did nothing.
GAUDIO: Don't be a smartass, I'm just telling you.

(both sit down, Nadal is supposed to make an angry face or something)

GAUDIO: Don't make that face to me because I'm serious. Don't be a smartass.
NADAL: But I did nothing.
GAUDIO: Don't make that face to me, I'm just telling you.

The last sentence is inaudible, but Nadal is "supposed" to say "Shut up,
you sudaca @ss*** "

**

"I can't hear the supposed last sentence "Callate sudaca gil" but the
expression "gil" is a South American expression not a Spanish expression.
No Spanish would say "gil", he would say "gilipollas".
It's curious that we can hear the whole dialog except the offensive
sentence.
I don't believe anything."

**

...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
years...you....you....South American! ;)


         
Date: 15 Jan 2009 14:56:48
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>>>>> slurs.
>>>>
>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>
>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>
>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives him
>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.
>>
>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>>
>> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
>
> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=
>
> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
> deal imo.
>
> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
> years...you....you....South American! ;)

I am almost completely sure I have heard it, from another camera angle. But
all the searches direct me to that argentine tv clip.

(and, of course, Argentine press made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stink out of that
one)

As I said, not a huge deal, but not exactly "classiest #1 Evar!!!" material.
That talk is clearly CEIBS, when the ATP award for sportmanship carries the
name of someone who was playing less than 20 years ago.


          
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:39:57
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using racial
>>>>>> slurs.
>>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if it
>>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>>
>>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives him
>>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one, was
>>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
>>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few seconds of
>>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts with
>>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south american"
>>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American immigrants.
>>>
>>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and Roddick,
>>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead".
>>>
>>> Not earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
>>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a hint:
>>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
>> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
>> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
>> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=
>>
>> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
>> deal imo.
>>
>> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
>> years...you....you....South American! ;)
>
> I am almost completely sure I have heard it, from another camera angle. But
> all the searches direct me to that argentine tv clip.
>
> (and, of course, Argentine press made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stink out of that
> one)
>
> As I said, not a huge deal, but not exactly "classiest #1 Evar!!!" material.
> That talk is clearly CEIBS, when the ATP award for sportmanship carries the
> name of someone who was playing less than 20 years ago.

For a moment I was afraid you were going to call me an European. :)

Don't you think that this gil/gillipoli thing has some sense though?



--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


         
Date: 15 Jan 2009 18:50:46
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:EvKbl.119324$_03.22244@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
>>>>> racial
>>>>> slurs.
>>>>
>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if
>>>> it had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with
>>>> an unspecified remark.
>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>
>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal
>> gives him
>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one,
>> was
>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil
>> eye
>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
>> seconds of
>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
>> with
>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
>> american"
>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
>> immigrants.
>>
>> Kinda like if El Aynaoui gave some shit to Roddick during a match and
>> Roddick,
>> fed up with it, had told him "Shut up you stupid raghead". Not
>> earth-shattering, not a huge deal, but certainly not something you do to
>> qualify for "classiest #1 ever". You want a candidate? I'll give you a
>> hint:
>> what's the name of the yearly ATP sportmanship award?
>
> Well it's not even certain he said it. You can't hear clearly. Here's a
> clip, assumably from Argentinian tv network. It's possible network just
> made that up anyway...putting what text they wanted:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw&mode=suggested&search=
>
> But if Nadal said that at the age of 18 after Gaudio's abuse not a big
> deal imo.
>
>
> Some discussion on it here:
> http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-83038.html
>
> Couple comments from the thread(I edited grammatical errors):
>
>
> GAUDIO: Don't play dumb. Don't be a smartass.
> NADAL: I did nothing.
> GAUDIO: Don't be a smartass, I'm just telling you.
>
> (both sit down, Nadal is supposed to make an angry face or something)
>
> GAUDIO: Don't make that face to me because I'm serious. Don't be a
> smartass.
> NADAL: But I did nothing.
> GAUDIO: Don't make that face to me, I'm just telling you.
>
> The last sentence is inaudible, but Nadal is "supposed" to say "Shut up,
> you sudaca @ss*** "
>
> **
>
> "I can't hear the supposed last sentence "Callate sudaca gil" but the
> expression "gil" is a South American expression not a Spanish expression.
> No Spanish would say "gil", he would say "gilipollas".
> It's curious that we can hear the whole dialog except the offensive
> sentence.
> I don't believe anything."
>
> **
>
> ...So it's possible that you have been barking the wrong tree all these
> years...you....you....South American! ;)



Great post and a great success in exposing anti-Nadal sentiments.






        
Date: 15 Jan 2009 17:57:19
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote in message
news:e82446-63a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>> *skriptis wrote:
>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
>>>> racial
>>>> slurs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if
>>> it
>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>> unspecified remark.
>>>
>>
>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>
> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives
> him
> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one,
> was
> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
> seconds of
> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
> with
> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
> american"
> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
> immigrants.

So what's racial about it? I see no problems. Living in Spain or in South
America doesn't make you any better or worse.
This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".

If you had said "bad manners" well we could discuss it, but then again,
telling your peer to shut up, with a wee bit of insult, or telling the same
to someone who is old enought to be your parent hardly makes any difference.


It's not as if Nadal boosted difference between him and Gaudio that favor
him. Race, looks, talent or something like that.




         
Date: 15 Jan 2009 15:07:39
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
>
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e82446-63a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even the
>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
>>>>> racial
>>>>> slurs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but if
>>>> it
>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with an
>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>
>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal gives
>> him
>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was one,
>> was
>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil eye
>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
>> seconds of
>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
>> with
>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
>> american"
>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
>> immigrants.
>
> So what's racial about it? I see no problems. Living in Spain or in South
> America doesn't make you any better or worse.

LOL, are you kidding? Sure, there's no discrimination against third world
country immigrants in Europe. No, sir, not at all. A spaniard would not take
any offense at being called sudaca, amirite?

> This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".

No, the term "sudaca" is as derogatory as "raghead". It doesn't fall in the
strictly racial category, I should have used "ethnic" instead.

But what do I know, I was only born into spanish-speaking culture and lived in
it for the past few decades, so...

> If you had said "bad manners" well we could discuss it, but then again,
> telling your peer to shut up, with a wee bit of insult, or telling the same
> to someone who is old enought to be your parent hardly makes any difference.

WTF is this "old enough to be your parent" crap?


          
Date: 15 Jan 2009 19:31:34
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote in message
news:bka446-n7a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e82446-63a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
>>>>>> racial
>>>>>> slurs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but
>>>>> if
>>>>> it
>>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with
>>>>> an
>>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>>
>>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal
>>> gives
>>> him
>>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was
>>> one,
>>> was
>>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil
>>> eye
>>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
>>> seconds of
>>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
>>> with
>>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
>>> american"
>>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
>>> immigrants.
>>
>> So what's racial about it? I see no problems. Living in Spain or in South
>> America doesn't make you any better or worse.
>
> LOL, are you kidding? Sure, there's no discrimination against third world
> country immigrants in Europe. No, sir, not at all.

There is everything on this world. I see no point in your statement.
Gaudio didn't emigrate to Spain and was denied job because of his origin, he
was playing a tennis match in France.



>> This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".
>
> No, the term "sudaca" is as derogatory as "raghead". It doesn't fall in
> the
> strictly racial category, I should have used "ethnic" instead.

Isn't Gaudio od Spanish ethnicity as well? Again, I don't understand you.
Same language, same/similar) ethnicity, different part of the world. No
actual difference, just place of birth.
I don't know who is dumber here.
The ones who *really try to insult* others this way, or the ones who get
insulted in that way.

Isn't that purely *geographical* thing?
Football fans eg thrive on this, north-south, Milan-Lazio, PSG-Marseille
etc.


> WTF is this "old enough to be your parent" crap?


He told Djokovic's parent to "shut up". Very rude.




           
Date: 15 Jan 2009 15:46:39
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
>
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bka446-n7a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e82446-63a.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>> *skriptis wrote:
>>>>>> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:m25346-j99.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>>>>>>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you ask me Rafa is by far the classiest outhere now. Maybe even
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> classiest #1 ever?
>>>>>>> You don't classify for classiest #1 ever when you are on tape using
>>>>>>> racial
>>>>>>> slurs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racism is boring. Anyway, I Don't know what you're talking about but
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> had been something relevant you would have said it, not baiting with
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> unspecified remark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell yeah. Javier you need to be more exact on this. What did Nadal do?
>>>>
>>>> During a match with Gaudio, while walking for the changeover, Nadal
>>>> gives
>>>> him
>>>> the trademarked glare. Gaudio, a mercurial asshole if there ever was
>>>> one,
>>>> was
>>>> having none of that. Went like "don't play coy, don't give me the evil
>>>> eye
>>>> shit", while Nadal goes "wtf, I haven't done anything". After a few
>>>> seconds of
>>>> Gaudio going on, Nadal gets (understandable) fed up with it and retorts
>>>> with
>>>> "Cállate, sudaca gil", which translates as "Shut up, you dumb south
>>>> american"
>>>> but using "Sudaca" which is a derogatory term for South American
>>>> immigrants.
>>>
>>> So what's racial about it? I see no problems. Living in Spain or in South
>>> America doesn't make you any better or worse.
>>
>> LOL, are you kidding? Sure, there's no discrimination against third world
>> country immigrants in Europe. No, sir, not at all.
>
> There is everything on this world. I see no point in your statement.
> Gaudio didn't emigrate to Spain and was denied job because of his origin, he
> was playing a tennis match in France.
>
>
>
>>> This "sudaca" is no less derogatory than the word "dumb".
>>
>> No, the term "sudaca" is as derogatory as "raghead". It doesn't fall in
>> the
>> strictly racial category, I should have used "ethnic" instead.
>
> Isn't Gaudio od Spanish ethnicity as well? Again, I don't understand you.
> Same language, same/similar) ethnicity, different part of the world. No
> actual difference, just place of birth.

No, you don't get it. The discrimination is between "pureblood" spaniards and
"mongrel" spaniards that are mixed with south american native blood (and a bit
of african blood, too, depending on which part of the continent you look -
nearer the caribbean and atlantic there was a significant black slave
contingent that you couldn't find farther south - hence, it's easy to find
black people in Venezuela or Brazil but not as easy in Perú or Chile or
Argentina).

> I don't know who is dumber here.
> The ones who *really try to insult* others this way, or the ones who get
> insulted in that way.

It's dumb as any ethnicity/racist insult is (i.e. very much)

> Isn't that purely *geographical* thing?
> Football fans eg thrive on this, north-south, Milan-Lazio, PSG-Marseille
> etc.

No, it's not purely geographic. The indian blood is the root for it. The
"pure" spaniard that lives in South America wouldn't get called sudaca. The
guy with the mapuche or inca blood will get called sudaca, even if he's lived
his whole life in Spain.

>> WTF is this "old enough to be your parent" crap?
>
>
> He told Djokovic's parent to "shut up". Very rude.

Ah, didn't remember that one.

Anyway, I still dare you guys to look beyond Nadal and look up the name of the
sportmanship award. Maybe it will ring a bell or two...


            
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:14:19
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote in message
news:ftc446-oaa.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:

> No, it's not purely geographic. The indian blood is the root for it. The
> "pure" spaniard that lives in South America wouldn't get called sudaca.
> The
> guy with the mapuche or inca blood will get called sudaca, even if he's
> lived
> his whole life in Spain.

ok then.
So Gaudio is of mix origin?





           
Date: 15 Jan 2009 18:55:00
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

On 15-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> He told Djokovic's parent to "shut up". Very rude.

LOL, you cannot be defending Djokovic's parents now can you??


            
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:16:19
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:dELbl.82410$ln7.55126@newsfe04.iad...
>
> On 15-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> He told Djokovic's parent to "shut up". Very rude.
>
> LOL, you cannot be defending Djokovic's parents now can you??


What have they done? Rooted?
All the crowds do it, yet it's considered very unapropriate for player to
address the crowd.

Imagine if Nadal told Mirka to stop screaming during Wimbledon final.




  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 15:25:44
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 2:13=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 4:21=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 3:45=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their ow=
n
> > > > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals th=
e week
> > > > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushe=
d him
> > > > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out =
of
> > > > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is=
always
> > > > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview=
.
> > > > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is =
taken
> > > > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon=
final
> > > > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > > > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match=
,
> > > > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > > > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (th=
e
> > > > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be describ=
ed
> > > > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > > I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> > > that comment.
>
> > Has anyone explicitly defended this particular remark?
>
> > Joe Ramirez-
>
> That's a fair question and I think even the staunchest Fed fan may
> feel that went too far, but I'm sure some would say they see nothing
> wrong and it was just an *honest* comment about that match.
>
> But this is part of a history of unflattering remarks about his fellow
> competitors. He's called Nadal "one-dimensional" and after the 2007 FO
> said he "hadn't improved" - only to retract that comment a couple
> weeks later when Rafa nearly beat him at Wimbledon ("he improved
> again!")
>
> His comments about Murray after losing in last year's Dubai could be
> *honest* assessments but they sure seemed like he was just ticked off
> about losing and made a comment that had more to do with his own bad
> mood than anything.
>
> I see a lot of positives about Roger's behavior on court, but he also
> makes a lot of comments that, like jdeluise remarked above, he
> probably wouldn't say if the person he were referring to was standing
> right there in the interview room. And more importantly, he makes most
> of the objectionable comments (not this one about Roddick) after
> losses, which indicate they have less to do with candidness and more
> to do with how irritated he is about losing tennis matches.
>
> Of course, I would expect a great champion to hate losing. But let's
> not ignore the disrespectful remarks that go hand-in-hand with that
> fierce competitive streak.

Last weekend I watched an American football player almost break the
back of one of his opponents. I can get outraged over that, but all
else is ...


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 14:13:01
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 4:21=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 3:45=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the =
week
> > > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed =
him
> > > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is a=
lways
> > > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is ta=
ken
> > > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon f=
inal
> > > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> > that comment.
>
> Has anyone explicitly defended this particular remark?
>
> Joe Ramirez-

That's a fair question and I think even the staunchest Fed fan may
feel that went too far, but I'm sure some would say they see nothing
wrong and it was just an *honest* comment about that match.

But this is part of a history of unflattering remarks about his fellow
competitors. He's called Nadal "one-dimensional" and after the 2007 FO
said he "hadn't improved" - only to retract that comment a couple
weeks later when Rafa nearly beat him at Wimbledon ("he improved
again!")

His comments about Murray after losing in last year's Dubai could be
*honest* assessments but they sure seemed like he was just ticked off
about losing and made a comment that had more to do with his own bad
mood than anything.

I see a lot of positives about Roger's behavior on court, but he also
makes a lot of comments that, like jdeluise remarked above, he
probably wouldn't say if the person he were referring to was standing
right there in the interview room. And more importantly, he makes most
of the objectionable comments (not this one about Roddick) after
losses, which indicate they have less to do with candidness and more
to do with how irritated he is about losing tennis matches.

Of course, I would expect a great champion to hate losing. But let's
not ignore the disrespectful remarks that go hand-in-hand with that
fierce competitive streak.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:05:23
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 3:10=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bf150ccf-5572-494d-a294-03931a5f045c@v13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> > out of context. What a load of crock.
>
> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> 2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
> claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
> such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
> greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.
>
> 3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
> like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
> love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
> but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
> laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
> representative McEnroe antics:
>
> "[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
> about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
> Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
> Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
> McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
> 'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
> McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
> it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
> Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
> three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"
>
> Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
> journalists at press conferences are so long past.
>
> ----
>
> Why didn't you fill in the gaps? It's quite difficult for us non-english
> speakers to assume what was there in the original statement.

I didn't fill in the blanks because I don't know exactly what McEnroe
said. That's why I clearly indicated that the blanks were present in
the original article. I can perhaps *guess* what McEnroe said -- when
a man insults a woman by telling her that something needs to happen to
her more often, the import of the statement is obvious -- but I'm not
in the business of speculating about exactly which profane word an
irate athlete may have employed. Sorry.

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:17:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Jan 14, 3:10 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Why didn't you fill in the gaps? It's quite difficult for us non-english
>> speakers to assume what was there in the original statement.
>
> I didn't fill in the blanks because I don't know exactly what McEnroe
> said. That's why I clearly indicated that the blanks were present in
> the original article. I can perhaps *guess* what McEnroe said -- when
> a man insults a woman by telling her that something needs to happen to
> her more often, the import of the statement is obvious -- but I'm not
> in the business of speculating about exactly which profane word an
> irate athlete may have employed. Sorry.
>
> Joe Ramirez



It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. Insulting your
peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that woman, & if someone who
didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well & that is a very, very nasty
character trait he has. I'm surprised even Fedfuckers choose to ignore
it & focus on the nice things he says. Imo if you say something nice &
insulting in same interview it doesn't make you nice overall - very
sinister.







    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 06:46:50
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote...
> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention.

You're excusing that kind of thing from Mac. Even Mac doesn't excuse these
horrendous outbursts he had. As a Mac fan, I can say that aspect of him was
no part of his appeal for me, and I didn't find it cute or anything. He
just needed to be hammered by the umpires, hammered by the tennis
establishment. He needed a hammering. Of course, in his greatest year 1984
he was relatively speaking well-behaved as I recall.

> Insulting your peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that woman, & if
> someone who didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
> hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well & that is a very, very nasty
> character trait he has. I'm surprised even Fedfuckers choose to ignore it
> & focus on the nice things he says. Imo if you say something nice &
> insulting in same interview it doesn't make you nice overall - very
> sinister.
>

Nonsense. If you hadn't noticed, Fed is adducing evidence for his argument,
that the Australian should be moved back two weeks. Point being look at the
ass-kicking Fed got one week and then he kicks Roddick's ass the next week.
He's saying it's a dumb way to set up these tournaments and the lead up.
Fed is right!!! I think I said the same thing out here a year ago, that it
should be moved back a few weeks. Many others have observed it as well...



     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 18:23:56
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
chrome wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention.
>
> You're excusing that kind of thing from Mac. Even Mac doesn't excuse
> these horrendous outbursts he had. As a Mac fan, I can say that aspect
> of him was no part of his appeal for me, and I didn't find it cute or
> anything. He just needed to be hammered by the umpires, hammered by the
> tennis establishment. He needed a hammering. Of course, in his
> greatest year 1984 he was relatively speaking well-behaved as I recall.
>
>> Insulting your peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that woman, &
>> if someone who didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd
>> find it hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well & that is a very, very
>> nasty character trait he has. I'm surprised even Fedfuckers choose to
>> ignore it & focus on the nice things he says. Imo if you say
>> something nice & insulting in same interview it doesn't make you nice
>> overall - very sinister.
>>
>
> Nonsense. If you hadn't noticed, Fed is adducing evidence for his
> argument, that the Australian should be moved back two weeks. Point
> being look at the ass-kicking Fed got one week and then he kicks
> Roddick's ass the next week. He's saying it's a dumb way to set up these
> tournaments and the lead up. Fed is right!!! I think I said the same
> thing out here a year ago, that it should be moved back a few weeks.
> Many others have observed it as well...


We are all on holidays in January & go back to work 1st week after the
final usually.


      
Date: 18 Jan 2009 20:50:26
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Whisper wrote:
> chrome wrote:
>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>>> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention.
>>
>> You're excusing that kind of thing from Mac. Even Mac doesn't excuse
>> these horrendous outbursts he had. As a Mac fan, I can say that
>> aspect of him was no part of his appeal for me, and I didn't find it
>> cute or anything. He just needed to be hammered by the umpires,
>> hammered by the tennis establishment. He needed a hammering. Of
>> course, in his greatest year 1984 he was relatively speaking
>> well-behaved as I recall.
>>
>>> Insulting your peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that
>>> woman, & if someone who didn't know me said I should get fucked
>>> more often I'd find it hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well &
>>> that is a very, very nasty character trait he has. I'm surprised
>>> even Fedfuckers choose to ignore it & focus on the nice things he
>>> says. Imo if you say something nice & insulting in same interview
>>> it doesn't make you nice overall - very sinister.
>>>
>>
>> Nonsense. If you hadn't noticed, Fed is adducing evidence for his
>> argument, that the Australian should be moved back two weeks. Point
>> being look at the ass-kicking Fed got one week and then he kicks
>> Roddick's ass the next week. He's saying it's a dumb way to set up
>> these tournaments and the lead up. Fed is right!!! I think I said
>> the same thing out here a year ago, that it should be moved back a
>> few weeks. Many others have observed it as well...
>
>
> We are all on holidays in January & go back to work 1st week after the
> final usually.

Yes, you have to ask, in the end what difference would it make? The players
wouldn't gripe so much, that's all. They have a pretty good life, especially
the top players, who are usually the ones complaining. But that's not good
enough. Everything has to be perfect, never mind that the tournament would
suffer outside of the holiday period.





       
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:48:36
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:50:26 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Whisper wrote:
>> chrome wrote:
>>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>>>> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention.
>>>
>>> You're excusing that kind of thing from Mac. Even Mac doesn't excuse
>>> these horrendous outbursts he had. As a Mac fan, I can say that
>>> aspect of him was no part of his appeal for me, and I didn't find it
>>> cute or anything. He just needed to be hammered by the umpires,
>>> hammered by the tennis establishment. He needed a hammering. Of
>>> course, in his greatest year 1984 he was relatively speaking
>>> well-behaved as I recall.
>>>
>>>> Insulting your peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that
>>>> woman, & if someone who didn't know me said I should get fucked
>>>> more often I'd find it hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well &
>>>> that is a very, very nasty character trait he has. I'm surprised
>>>> even Fedfuckers choose to ignore it & focus on the nice things he
>>>> says. Imo if you say something nice & insulting in same interview
>>>> it doesn't make you nice overall - very sinister.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nonsense. If you hadn't noticed, Fed is adducing evidence for his
>>> argument, that the Australian should be moved back two weeks. Point
>>> being look at the ass-kicking Fed got one week and then he kicks
>>> Roddick's ass the next week. He's saying it's a dumb way to set up
>>> these tournaments and the lead up. Fed is right!!! I think I said
>>> the same thing out here a year ago, that it should be moved back a
>>> few weeks. Many others have observed it as well...
>>
>>
>> We are all on holidays in January & go back to work 1st week after the
>> final usually.
>
>Yes, you have to ask, in the end what difference would it make? The players
>wouldn't gripe so much, that's all. They have a pretty good life, especially
>the top players, who are usually the ones complaining. But that's not good
>enough. Everything has to be perfect, never mind that the tournament would
>suffer outside of the holiday period.
>
>


Not in Shanghai it wouldn't !!!



        
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:13:35
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote...
> Not in Shanghai it wouldn't !!!

China, land of the poisoned rivers...


      
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:58:00
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote...
> We are all on holidays in January & go back to work 1st week after the
> final usually.

Gotcha. How about this though: US Open starts Mon Aug 31 and goes to Sun
Sep 13. Essentially all kids are in school starting Tue Sep 8, meaning
almost the entire last week is during school time. The US Open isn't dying
because of this timing or lacking ball kids. How about you do like us and
move it one week at least so one week is during vacation, one week not. The
kids days are always during the first week.

Kids are important, so maybe this is the best you can do. One week I guess.
But clearly it could be moved one week.



       
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:47:56
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:58:00 GMT, "chrome" <chrome@nospam.invalid >
wrote:

>"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote...
>> We are all on holidays in January & go back to work 1st week after the
>> final usually.
>
>Gotcha. How about this though: US Open starts Mon Aug 31 and goes to Sun
>Sep 13. Essentially all kids are in school starting Tue Sep 8, meaning
>almost the entire last week is during school time. The US Open isn't dying
>because of this timing or lacking ball kids. How about you do like us and
>move it one week at least so one week is during vacation, one week not. The
>kids days are always during the first week.
>
>Kids are important, so maybe this is the best you can do. One week I guess.
>But clearly it could be moved one week.


Move it to China and fuck Auatralia.


    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 16:15:33
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Whisper wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 3:10 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> Why didn't you fill in the gaps? It's quite difficult for us non-english
>>> speakers to assume what was there in the original statement.
>>
>> I didn't fill in the blanks because I don't know exactly what McEnroe
>> said. That's why I clearly indicated that the blanks were present in
>> the original article. I can perhaps *guess* what McEnroe said -- when
>> a man insults a woman by telling her that something needs to happen to
>> her more often, the import of the statement is obvious -- but I'm not
>> in the business of speculating about exactly which profane word an
>> irate athlete may have employed. Sorry.
>>
>> Joe Ramirez
>
>
>
> It's clear Mac sad these things in jest & for attention. Insulting your
> peers is far worse imo. Mac did not know that woman, & if someone who
> didn't know me said I should get fucked more often I'd find it
> hilarious. Fed knows Roddick very well & that is a very, very nasty
> character trait he has. I'm surprised even Fedfuckers choose to ignore
> it & focus on the nice things he says. Imo if you say something nice &
> insulting in same interview it doesn't make you nice overall - very
> sinister.
>

True.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:21:19
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 3:45=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the we=
ek
> > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed hi=
m
> > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is alw=
ays
> > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is take=
n
> > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon fin=
al
> > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> that comment.

Has anyone explicitly defended this particular remark?

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:49:25
From: chrome
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote...
> Has anyone explicitly defended this particular remark?

I defend it. It's not a big deal and in the context of an argument for
administrative change, the remark makes some sense, because after all he has
a point to make, and speaking diplomatically does not serve making that
point. Federer is being "polemical" and perhaps it is a little rude, but
he's trying to argue for change and bringing in evidence. The sharp word is
there to highlight his evidence, not to diminish Roddick. Now I don't think
it's the ideal choice of words, but just saying it in context it makes
sense. Now I agree that Fed could find a way to walk these two boundaries
perhaps a little better, but then noone would be talking about his argument.
That "crush" word is a central aspect of his point and his argument, that
Kooyong would be better served with this change.



  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:20:08
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 4:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

Wow, who woulda thunk it, but you're a pussy, Whisper.


   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 23:33:33
From: TT
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> On Jan 14, 4:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>
>>> "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
>>> preparation," he said.
>>> "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
>>> before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>>> "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
>>> in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
>> context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
>> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
>> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
>> out of context. What a load of crock.
>>
>> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
>> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> Wow, who woulda thunk it, but you're a pussy, Whisper.

I have no problem whatever kind of language players use. Just gets
things more interesting. Mac always made me laugh...although I do think
he was unsportsmanlike dick...but funny to follow.

What bugs me with Roger is that he is being bitchy with his comments,
like wta players.
Moreover his fans are rather irritating claiming him as the Virgin Mary
and sticking with it...while common sense says there really has to be
a dick involved with his pregnancy.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:15:36
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 8:57=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 14-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the
> > > > > week
> > > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed =
him
> > > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is a=
lways
> > > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is ta=
ken
> > > > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
> > > > final
> > > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> > > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> > I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> > that comment.
>
> > Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
> > don't particularly care for Djokovic's
> > behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
> > But I don't think that's as bad as
> > saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
> > that. That's really uncalled for.
>
> I tend to agree that using the term "crush" is a bit rude. =A0Would you s=
ay
> something like that to your opponent's face?

Would Federer say it to Roddick? Maybe ...

"Hey Andy, how about that time I crushed you in Melbourne!"




  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 12:45:47
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 1:08=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > preparation," he said.
>
> > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is alway=
s
> > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> > out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
>
> 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.

I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
that comment.

Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
don't particularly care for Djokovic's
behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
But I don't think that's as bad as
saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
that. That's really uncalled for.


   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 20:57:49
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

On 14-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 14, 1:08 pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >
> > > > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > > > preparation," he said.
> >
> > > > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the
> > > > week
> > > > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
> >
> > > > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > > > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
> >
> > > See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> > > context'.  Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> > > nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> > > Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> > > out of context.  What a load of crock.
> >
> > > McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
> > > final
> > > - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.
> >
> > 1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
> > during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
> > described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
> > favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
> > as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.
>
> I agree, but it seems Fed fans here don't even have a problem with
> that comment.
>
> Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
> don't particularly care for Djokovic's
> behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
> But I don't think that's as bad as
> saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
> that. That's really uncalled for.

I tend to agree that using the term "crush" is a bit rude. Would you say
something like that to your opponent's face? I know I wouldn't and would
think twice before saying it to the media as well. I think he is fluent
enough in English to realize what he is doing here. On the other hand,
comparing what he said to the kinds of stuff McEnroe has pulled is dishonest
at best.


    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:13:43
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
jdeluise wrote:
> On 14-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-catlin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there anything this guy can do or say that they disapprove of? I
>> don't particularly care for Djokovic's
>> behavior, or even his comment that "Federer is losing more and more."
>> But I don't think that's as bad as
>> saying you "crushed" your opponent. Let your fans or the media say
>> that. That's really uncalled for.
>
> I tend to agree that using the term "crush" is a bit rude. Would you say
> something like that to your opponent's face? I know I wouldn't and would
> think twice before saying it to the media as well. I think he is fluent
> enough in English to realize what he is doing here.


Yes, even when I beat my opponent 60 62 last week I kept telling people
he wasn't really that bad, aced me 7 times etc. Everyone knows it was a
drubbing without me saying so. Fed seems to have a lot of insecurities.



> On the other hand,
> comparing what he said to the kinds of stuff McEnroe has pulled is dishonest
> at best.


There is a difference. Personally disparaging your peers seems to be a
unique Federer trait. He always throws in some humble stuff in the same
interview to cover himself (so he thinks). It's good in a way as it
will define his character & is something different from the usual
niceties, but let's not pretend he's some kind of nice guy in the Edberg
mold - he's more like Edberg's evil brother.



  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:08:39
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.

2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.

3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
representative McEnroe antics:

"[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"

Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
journalists at press conferences are so long past.

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 21:10:28
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:bf150ccf-5572-494d-a294-03931a5f045c@v13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 14, 7:40 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

1. Accurately stating that one has "crushed" an opponent in a match,
during the course of a discussion on some larger issue, might be
described as undiplomatic, or rude, or insensitive, or arrogant (the
favorite in RST), or just plain mean. It can't seriously be described
as "bitter & twisted," however. Get a dictionary.

2. You have no idea what McEnroe has "never said." The best you can
claim is that you personally do not recall ever hearing or reading
such a statement from him. The universe of McEnroe's remarks is vastly
greater than your limited (and rose-colored) experience of it.

3. I realize that for people like you and GroundAxe, Fed-bashing is
like oxygen, but try not to let your Fed-hate collide with your Mac-
love. The result can only be folly. Criticize Federer all you want,
but please do not hold up McEnroe as an example of "class." That's
laughable. Here's a Sports Illustrated 1984 account of some
representative McEnroe antics:

"[Nora] McCabe of Toronto's Globe and Mail ... answered questions
about a complaint she'd filed last month with the Men's International
Professional Tennis Council. Following a press conference at the
Canadian Open, McEnroe took exception to a rather innocuous story
McCabe had written about him, in which she described him as being
'petulant,' 'whiny' and 'paranoid.' The usual suspects. According to
McCabe's official complaint, McEnroe shouted at her: 'Lady, for what
it's worth, you know you're a ____ [omission in original SI article]."
Then, again, 'You're a ____.' And: 'You probably haven't been ___ in
three weeks. You should try getting ____ more often.'"

Too bad the classy days of players shouting expletives at female
journalists at press conferences are so long past.


----

Why didn't you fill in the gaps? It's quite difficult for us non-english
speakers to assume what was there in the original statement.




  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:13:40
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 6:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

McEnroe was a lot meaner. He bitched a lot about clay because he
couldnt win FO. And said it supported lesser talents (and that too
when Borg was playing and winning it). He said he would never play
alongside Lendl for Davis Cup. He was quite mean.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 07:53:32
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

"bitter & twisted in the same interview" ??

methinks the resident Sampras Fucker is the one who is "bitter and
twisted".



  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 07:47:26
From:
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 6:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

arrested development.


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 04:51:54
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Federer pushes for Open to start two weeks later - touts Hewitt
On Jan 14, 7:40=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
> > "Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own
> > preparation," he said.
>
> > "I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week
> > before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.
>
> > "It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him
> > in the (Australian Open) semis a week later,
>
> See, these are the kind of comments that can never be taken 'out of
> context'. =A0Everyone is aware of Fed's split personality - he is always
> nice & charming as well as bitter & twisted in the same interview.
> Fedfuckers point to his reasonable side & say the other stuff is taken
> out of context. =A0What a load of crock.
>
> McEnroe has never said he 'crushed' Connors 61 61 62 in Wimbledon final
> - even he has more class than the gay Swiss Maestro.

I didn't like it either, he needs to worry about what he says a little.