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Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:03:32
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901271232977497765.html

Key point:

"I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
enough, just get out of here."

PS.




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:23:49
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 3:03=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> Key point:
>
> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> enough, just get out of here."
>
> PS.

What do we expect? The Djokos disrespected him after Djoco won the
2008 AO.
Funny thing is that Federer has no use for Djokovic and Nadal has no
use for Soderling.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:02:28
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> Key point:
>
> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> enough, just get out of here."
>
> PS.

I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
that's too grinding. If he could bomb
more aces he'd be able to hold up.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:06:52
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 2:20=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 27-Jan-2009, erdega79 <erdeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 12:02=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> > > >>>>>>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/=
200901...
>
> > > > Key point:
>
> > > > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > > > enough, just get out of here."
>
> > > > PS.
>
> > > I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> > > that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> > > more aces he'd be able to hold up.
>
> > what does fitness level has to do with the fact that he is continually
> > screwed by scheduling ?
>
> > Why aren't other players playing at midnight and then at noon ?
>
> > Playing even 24 hours later, a player may be warm yet and get over it
> > but playing after 36 hours a player is cold , may be yet tired and
> > definitelly has a screwed biological clock. These aren't machines
> > after all that you can just turn on
>
> lol this is total desperation for an excuse!

And, IIRC, he made the opposite case during the US Open.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:27:56
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 28, 12:05=A0am, erdega79 <erdeg...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:02=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901.=
..
>
> > > Key point:
>
> > > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > > enough, just get out of here."
>
> > > PS.
>
> > I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> > that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> > more aces he'd be able to hold up.
>
> what does fitness level has to do with the fact that he is continually
> screwed by scheduling ?
>
> Why aren't other players playing at midnight and then at noon ?
>
> Playing even 24 hours later, a player may be warm yet and get over it
> but playing after 36 hours a player is cold , may be yet tired and
> definitelly has a screwed biological clock. These aren't machines
> after all that you can just turn on

I suppose it hasn't occurred you to blame Djoker's inability to
finish matches quicker. It's quite a radical thought, I admit.
Fed played a 3:29 match in extreme conditions against a
much younger world #20 and then came back in 26 hours to dismantle
a very young world #8 coming off a tournament victory, in 80
minutes.
Compare that to a 21-yr old beating a non-top-20 at night, getting
ample rest for 35 hours and wilting in the heat against an older
opponent to retire for the 4th time in 17 slams. Shameful!


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:05:49
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 12:02=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> > Key point:
>
> > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > enough, just get out of here."
>
> > PS.
>
> I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> more aces he'd be able to hold up.

what does fitness level has to do with the fact that he is continually
screwed by scheduling ?

Why aren't other players playing at midnight and then at noon ?

Playing even 24 hours later, a player may be warm yet and get over it
but playing after 36 hours a player is cold , may be yet tired and
definitelly has a screwed biological clock. These aren't machines
after all that you can just turn on



   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:20:53
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

On 27-Jan-2009, erdega79 <erdega79@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 27, 12:02 pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>>>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
> >
> > > Key point:
> >
> > > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > > enough, just get out of here."
> >
> > > PS.
> >
> > I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> > that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> > more aces he'd be able to hold up.
>
> what does fitness level has to do with the fact that he is continually
> screwed by scheduling ?
>
> Why aren't other players playing at midnight and then at noon ?
>
> Playing even 24 hours later, a player may be warm yet and get over it
> but playing after 36 hours a player is cold , may be yet tired and
> definitelly has a screwed biological clock. These aren't machines
> after all that you can just turn on

lol this is total desperation for an excuse!


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:19:53
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:

> Why aren't other players playing at midnight and then at noon ?

Roger did. He played Safin at night and then Berdych at daytime. And he
met a Berdych who played out of his mind but still managed to pull it
through in 5 sets. It is not Roger's problem that he is beating his
opponent at night more easily than Djokovic.

> Playing even 24 hours later, a player may be warm yet and get over it
> but playing after 36 hours a player is cold , may be yet tired and
> definitelly has a screwed biological clock. These aren't machines
> after all that you can just turn on

Come on. You cannot be serious.

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:14:27
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 12:42=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 27-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901.=
..
>
> > > Key point:
>
> > > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > > enough, just get out of here."
>
> > > PS.
>
> > I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> > that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> > more aces he'd be able to hold up.
>
> No, even if they had similar playing styles Djokovic would crumble mental=
ly
> in my opinion. =A0Every time I've seen him retire it never looks like his=
body
> is the main problem. =A0I think the root of the problem is his mind, and =
that
> he is a bit of a hypochondriac. =A0

Yeah, I wasn't intending to say that he's a mental giant like Pete.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:42:29
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

On 27-Jan-2009, Jason Catlin <jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
> >
> > Key point:
> >
> > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > enough, just get out of here."
> >
> > PS.
>
> I think Djoke has Sampras' level of fitness, but a playing style
> that's too grinding. If he could bomb
> more aces he'd be able to hold up.

No, even if they had similar playing styles Djokovic would crumble mentally
in my opinion. Every time I've seen him retire it never looks like his body
is the main problem. I think the root of the problem is his mind, and that
he is a bit of a hypochondriac.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:23:17
From: ew
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Fed getting grumpy in his old age....

I'm not a Djoko fan, but he is the defending champion and they could have
given him a night match...but who really cares anyhow, just hand the trophy
to Nadal...he's on a steamroll....


"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:xeCdncQArcHQieLURVnzvQA@telenor.com...
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901271232977497765.html
>
> Key point:
>
> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit enough,
> just get out of here."
>
> PS.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:45:03
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

"ew" <yik7eos@aol.com > wrote in message
news:H8ydnQ5TmdtuuuLUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com...
> Fed getting grumpy in his old age....
>
> I'm not a Djoko fan, but he is the defending champion and they could have
> given him a night match...but who really cares anyhow, just hand the
> trophy to Nadal...he's on a steamroll....


Djokovic-Roddick should have been a night match.
Better match-up than Fed-Del Potro + involves defending champion.





  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:33:33
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
ew wrote:
> Fed getting grumpy in his old age....
>
> I'm not a Djoko fan, but he is the defending champion and they could
> have given him a night match...but who really cares anyhow, just hand
> the trophy to Nadal...he's on a steamroll....

He should get two night matches in a row just because he is the
defending champion? I absolutely disagree.

PS.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:20:42
From: Voice of Reason
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> Key point:
>
> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> enough, just get out of here."
>
> PS.

Very harsh - I think Djokovic shouldn't be blamed too much here -
those weren't easy conditions at all. I think Federer is now being
unnecessarily harsh on Djokovic. Hats off to Roddick for pushing
Djokovic to the limit though - I always knew he had it in him to beat
him - the heat helped him a lot though.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:27:56
From: Voice of Reason
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 10:32=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Voice of Reason wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901..=
.
>
> >> Key point:
>
> >> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> >> enough, just get out of here."
>
> >> PS.
>
> > Very harsh - I think Djokovic shouldn't be blamed too much here -
> > those weren't easy conditions at all. =A0I think Federer is now being
> > unnecessarily harsh on Djokovic. =A0Hats off to Roddick for pushing
> > Djokovic to the limit though - I always knew he had it in him to beat
> > him - the heat helped him a lot though.
>
> Hm, but I think there is no secrecy in what Federer feels about
> Djokovic. If this had been the only occasion, I don't think Federer
> would have said that. But all in all I am kind of happy that he said it,
> because I think it is wrong to let Djokovic get away with this all the
> time. As you say the conditions were difficult. But Roddick said the
> conditions were better than expected, so I guess it depends on who you
> ask and how well the player is prepared for it. When he can play several
> games and move pretty well in four games after he calls the trainer, and
> then suddenly retires after he has been broken in what would have been
> the decisive set for his opponent, I think there is good reason to
> speculate on his real intentions. To retire when playing a big match on
> center court in a grand slam tournament is a pretty big decision, IMO.
> And when you already have a bad record, you should also try to pull off
> when it cannot be questioned about your reasons for doing it. For
> example he could have retired after that third set which would have been
> way better IMO.
>
> PS.

Oh I agree - a defending champion not toughing it out in a Grand Slam
QF just because it's really hot is pretty bad.

But, comparing this to previous dubious retirements is what I found
unfair - this retirement might be unpleasant - but if a player just
cannot play anymore in the heat - how is he "getting away" with
anything? If anything, he is getting knocked out of AO - he is the
one getting hurt the most in the end.


   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 17:55:45
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Voice of Reason wrote:

> But, comparing this to previous dubious retirements is what I found
> unfair - this retirement might be unpleasant - but if a player just
> cannot play anymore in the heat - how is he "getting away" with
> anything? If anything, he is getting knocked out of AO - he is the
> one getting hurt the most in the end.

I imagine that his mindset was something like: "Ok, it is really hot and
I don't feel that well, but I guess I can take it if just manage to beat
Andy in straight sets. I'll give it a try." When Andy eventually plays
better than he expects, he would rather retire than lose - to make a
statement: "I am only losing because there is something wrong with my
body". He is sort of "getting away" with not being defeated properly.
Roddick was the best player who dealt with the conditions best and
deserved a victory in a completed match.

PS.


    
Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:00:56
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:07GdnWFXW6GJEx3U4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> Voice of Reason wrote:
>
>> But, comparing this to previous dubious retirements is what I found
>> unfair - this retirement might be unpleasant - but if a player just
>> cannot play anymore in the heat - how is he "getting away" with
>> anything? If anything, he is getting knocked out of AO - he is the
>> one getting hurt the most in the end.
>
> I imagine that his mindset was something like: "Ok, it is really hot and I
> don't feel that well, but I guess I can take it if just manage to beat
> Andy in straight sets. I'll give it a try." When Andy eventually plays
> better than he expects, he would rather retire than lose - to make a
> statement: "I am only losing because there is something wrong with my
> body". He is sort of "getting away" with not being defeated properly.
> Roddick was the best player who dealt with the conditions best and
> deserved a victory in a completed match.


People get to much excited about it.

I wouldn't be iritated if some guy retires and allows me to have more rest.
In a way, I see it as a compliment, he's so fucked that he doesn't even
see/believes in possibilty of winning, eg I've have imposed myself that
much.

That if there is *no real injury* that is.

If there is one, then again, why should I feel bitter about it, it happens
all the time to people, it could have happened to me, luckily it didn't and
that's all.





     
Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:09:11
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
*skriptis wrote:

> I wouldn't be iritated if some guy retires and allows me to have more rest.

If I were to play at this level I would surely see it as a pathetic
action and not be happy. Tennis is about match-ups, and wins against
great players give you self-esteem.

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:57:38
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Voice of Reason wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>>
>> Key point:
>>
>> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
>> enough, just get out of here."
>>
>> PS.
>
> Very harsh - I think Djokovic shouldn't be blamed too much here -
> those weren't easy conditions at all. I think Federer is now being
> unnecessarily harsh on Djokovic. Hats off to Roddick for pushing
> Djokovic to the limit though - I always knew he had it in him to beat
> him - the heat helped him a lot though.

Many people think retiring in mid-match is disrespectful to your
opponent and the fans unless you have just cause. Remember the flak
Henin got when she did that in the AO final?

Harsh for sure on Djokovic but a bit deserved. Can you think of any
other top player with 4 slam retirements so early in his career? It is a
joke.

--
Cheers,

vc


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:32:43
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Voice of Reason wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>>
>> Key point:
>>
>> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
>> enough, just get out of here."
>>
>> PS.
>
> Very harsh - I think Djokovic shouldn't be blamed too much here -
> those weren't easy conditions at all. I think Federer is now being
> unnecessarily harsh on Djokovic. Hats off to Roddick for pushing
> Djokovic to the limit though - I always knew he had it in him to beat
> him - the heat helped him a lot though.

Hm, but I think there is no secrecy in what Federer feels about
Djokovic. If this had been the only occasion, I don't think Federer
would have said that. But all in all I am kind of happy that he said it,
because I think it is wrong to let Djokovic get away with this all the
time. As you say the conditions were difficult. But Roddick said the
conditions were better than expected, so I guess it depends on who you
ask and how well the player is prepared for it. When he can play several
games and move pretty well in four games after he calls the trainer, and
then suddenly retires after he has been broken in what would have been
the decisive set for his opponent, I think there is good reason to
speculate on his real intentions. To retire when playing a big match on
center court in a grand slam tournament is a pretty big decision, IMO.
And when you already have a bad record, you should also try to pull off
when it cannot be questioned about your reasons for doing it. For
example he could have retired after that third set which would have been
way better IMO.

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:31:08
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 3:20 pm, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> > Key point:
>
> > "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > enough, just get out of here."
>
> > PS.
>
> Very harsh - I think Djokovic shouldn't be blamed too much here -
> those weren't easy conditions at all. I think Federer is now being
> unnecessarily harsh on Djokovic. Hats off to Roddick for pushing
> Djokovic to the limit though - I always knew he had it in him to beat
> him - the heat helped him a lot though.

maybe - but djokovic has a track record of retiring with "dizziness"
in quite temperate conditions


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:36:02
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 9:03=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>
> Key point:
>
> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> enough, just get out of here."
>
> PS.

Wouldn't he like that ?

What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 00:26:02
From: DC
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Maybe Djoker should buy a can of Harden The Fuck Up juice.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:58:19
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 1:13 pm, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hope he'll start playing this pre-games with Nadal soon, for I got
> tired of Rafa forever denying that he was the one to beat on clay...
> That will be so funny to hear from Federer "he's #1, he had a
> fantastic year, he always is the one to beat, on clay as on grass,no?
> I am the #2, so #1 is more fave than me, no?"

Hah. I like this scenario.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:13:29
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On 27 jan, 17:52, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Petter Solbu wrote:
> > erdega79 wrote:
>
> >> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> >> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> >> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> >> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
> >> same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
> >> am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
> >> tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.
>
> > What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
> > had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
> > which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
> > that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed
> > out.
>
> > PS.
>
> The funniest part of the whole brouhaha is that Federer wasn't even
> speaking of Djokovic.
>
> Excerpt from interview with the comment is reproduced below. Note that
> no player is mentioned by name.
>
> Q. You're not a man that normally calls for trainers. Do you have a view
> on the habit of players to call trainers and possibly stop matches in
> the flow of the matches currently and whether that's right or wrong?
>
> ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it's a fine line, isn't it? We'll never
> find the perfect scenario for that. What shall I say? I never usually
> call the trainer. Exactly.
>
> When I came out on the tour and I was young, and I - back then the rule
> was different. You couldn't - what was it, a toilet break any time you
> wanted except obviously between the two games you were on the court. So
> you could basically take it at 6-5 in the third set. So that's changed.
> Now you can only take them on set breaks, which I think really works out
> well now.
>
> But then with the trainer, I guess it's a tough thing. I really felt
> when I was coming up the young players abused it, especially against a
> player like me. A little bit unsecure [sic] about finishing matches, you
> lose a set easy, and then you go to the toilet and call the trainer and
> strap your ankle.
>
> Next thing you know, you're twenty minutes extra out on the court.
> Things go through your mind. Then once I got out on center court, you
> know, I guess I got the respect I deserved. People stop doing it against
> you. I think that's nice, in a way.
>
> Probably on the outside courts it's still being abused at times. It's
> there to be used, so why not use it to give yourself a better chance to
> win? You don't fly to Australia to not give it your best shot.
>
> I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> enough, just get out of here.
>
> But if something really bad happens, okay, it is just unfortunate, I
> guess. It's a tough call. I mean, I don't know. I guess we'll speak
> about it and see what happens.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc

Thanks for copy'n'paste of the entire Fed's answer.
In fact, what Federer said made me think more of women tennis than on
the Djoker.
Maybe Fed is good at pool too, shooting two targets with one bullet.
In french there's a formula saying "la vengence est un plat qui se
mange froid" (revenge is a cold meat), so maybe he vanquished
Djoker...
If it was his prime intention, then it's unsually ugly from a player
more known for his raw talking.
Federer used to be more... directly aiming the ones he wants to shoot.
I feel he should have done such judgement right after his USO won over
Djokovic, at least he was responsible for Djoker's exit... And I can
tolerate for someone to fire at an ambulance, only if that someone is
the main responsible for the need of that ambulance :-) !
It's not fair enough to shoot at somebody's else corpse...

I mostly dislike his words, if they are so lack-of-balls-y undirectly
directed to Novak.
I agree with him if he said that on "general/average" prupose.
I mostly agree with him if he said that more specifically about WTA
uses (yet, again, he should have been more "precise", I don't fancy
"masked" wills)

Yet, I also think that Federer feels a lot more "free" since he lost
#1.
#1 are supposed (and the ATP is taking way too seriously care of that)
to be "perfect, politque, gentle...", I think being a bit more... rude
or making fun of other players was missing to Roger.
I liked a lot more (for he named Andy Murray) his little mind-game
about who should be considered as #1 fav.
Federer is smart & experienced enough to know what are the bookies
knowlegde of the game, to me he did not care at all of being behind
Murray in the head of such wankers...

Hope he'll start playing this pre-games with Nadal soon, for I got
tired of Rafa forever denying that he was the one to beat on clay...
That will be so funny to hear from Federer "he's #1, he had a
fantastic year, he always is the one to beat, on clay as on grass,no?
I am the #2, so #1 is more fave than me, no?"

After this not-that-unserious break, back to more irritating things...
If Federer was targeting Djokovic, then he must (IMO) do the same
about Nadal, at the French.
Since he had talked about Djoker's retirement, he will have to trash
Nadal for his endless (even if he cut that crap a lot since Wimby)
cinema between points.
Someone with a very audible(?) voice has to do it, and since Roger
started with Djokovic, it's fair to go on and fire at Nadal as well.

Yet, I still not sure that Federer was making fun of Novak, for he
didn't "hide" this way earlier.


Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:53:44
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 9:47=A0am, vmw3 <v...@lycos.com > wrote:
> > ++ Now Novak will have to face up to the locker chit chat about his
> > 'having the dog' in him... being 'soft'... ouch... that's nasty...
>
> 'Speaking of locker room chit chat....what's with Monfils?

Monfils hasn't reached near to the top... and he's liked by most of
the guys on tour, apparently, so he gets cut some slack... but YA, he
will get some raised eyebrows from some, probably... though, again,
wrist injuries are REALLY TENNIS injuries, so to speak... hard to
say... gossip is a vicious foe to fend off...

P


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:47:30
From: vmw3
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

>
> ++ Now Novak will have to face up to the locker chit chat about his
> 'having the dog' in him... being 'soft'... ouch... that's nasty...

'Speaking of locker room chit chat....what's with Monfils?


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:08:42
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 8:41 am, erdega79 <erdeg...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:27 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > erdega79 wrote:
> > > Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> > > or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> > > that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> > > on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
> > > same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
> > > am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
> > > tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.
>
> > What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
> > had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
> > which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
> > that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed out.
>
> > PS.
>
> Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
> play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
> see how he likes it

Waaaah. Waaaah. Waaaah. With the exception of last year (for obvious
reasons), Federer has never really had fitness or stamina issues. With
Djokovic, it's well-known - he's also well-known for bullshit excuses,
like pulling out of his match with Fed last year because of a "sore
throat," which Federer was taken aback by.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:41:28
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 11:27=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
> > Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> > or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> > that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> > on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
> > same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
> > am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
> > tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.
>
> What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
> had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
> which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
> that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed o=
ut.
>
> PS.

Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
see how he likes it


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:01:03
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:27 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> erdega79 wrote:
>>> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
>>> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
>>> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
>>> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
>>> same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
>>> am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
>>> tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.
>> What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
>> had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
>> which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
>> that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed out.
>>
>> PS.
>
> Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
> play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
> see how he likes it

Sounds good. Federer will win the tournament before the rest of the
field plays their QFs. :-)

--
Cheers,

vc


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:50:30
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:

> Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
> play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
> see how he likes it

Are you kidding, or what? Noone in this year's AO, including Djokovic,
has experienced only 36 hours recovery time from the first round until
the final (or at the stage we are now). I guess Djokovic had quite long
time to recover from his match against Delic before he met Baghdatis. I
am not saying that he wouldn't have won against Baghdatis if it was a
day match. Because that would be a pretty cheap argument, which I am
sure you would agree on.

That being said, all players have to expect even shorter recovery time.
Just take Wimbledon with all the rain delays. In 2007 almost noone had
as much as 35 hours recovery time in the final week of the tournament.

PS.


    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:22:34
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:pfWdnSvRjPPtpuLURVnzvQA@telenor.com...
> erdega79 wrote:
>
>> Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
>> play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
>> see how he likes it
>
> Are you kidding, or what? Noone in this year's AO, including Djokovic, has
> experienced only 36 hours recovery time from the first round until the
> final (or at the stage we are now). I guess Djokovic had quite long time
> to recover from his match against Delic before he met Baghdatis. I am not
> saying that he wouldn't have won against Baghdatis if it was a day match.
> Because that would be a pretty cheap argument, which I am sure you would
> agree on.
>
> That being said, all players have to expect even shorter recovery time.
> Just take Wimbledon with all the rain delays. In 2007 almost noone had as
> much as 35 hours recovery time in the final week of the tournament.


That's not helping your argument since Djokovic retired there as well. :)




     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:29:17
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
*skriptis wrote:
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pfWdnSvRjPPtpuLURVnzvQA@telenor.com...
>> erdega79 wrote:
>>
>>> Forget the quarters, If Federer doesn't think much about it, let him
>>> play at 36 hour intervals in every slam from the first round and let's
>>> see how he likes it
>> Are you kidding, or what? Noone in this year's AO, including Djokovic, has
>> experienced only 36 hours recovery time from the first round until the
>> final (or at the stage we are now). I guess Djokovic had quite long time
>> to recover from his match against Delic before he met Baghdatis. I am not
>> saying that he wouldn't have won against Baghdatis if it was a day match.
>> Because that would be a pretty cheap argument, which I am sure you would
>> agree on.
>>
>> That being said, all players have to expect even shorter recovery time.
>> Just take Wimbledon with all the rain delays. In 2007 almost noone had as
>> much as 35 hours recovery time in the final week of the tournament.
>
>
> That's not helping your argument since Djokovic retired there as well. :)

Haha, that is right!:-) I completely forgot. I don't remember his excuse
back then. I just remember he was starting to get seriously beaten by Nadal.

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:41:10
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 8:37=A0am, erdega79 <erdeg...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:18=A0am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > erdega79 wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 11:02 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > >> Petter Solbu wrote:
> > >>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > >>>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then h=
ad
> > >>>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
> > >>>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) th=
at
> > >>>> Federer did.
> > >>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover=
.
> > >>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych=
(day).
> > >>> PS.
> > >> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>
> > >> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
> > >> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
> > >> outwilt him.
>
> > > Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
> > > semis of a slam ?
> > > 36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.
>
> > > There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US ope=
n
>
> > > As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
> > > couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling
>
> > In the history of Open tennis? Probably.
>
> > For pros who are prepared for the US Open SF and Final gap that is much
> > worse than this, there is no excuse for crying about this scheduling
> > non-issue.
>
> > Djokovic needs to work harder on his fitness. He has improved but has
> > ways to go.
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
>
> > vc- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> can you name anyone player that played 36 hours later with 12 hour
> difference in quarters or semis of a slam ?
>
> How can you prepare for that ?
>
> Here is the deal, let Federer play like that from now on

++ Now Novak will have to face up to the locker chit chat about his
'having the dog' in him... being 'soft'... ouch... that's nasty...

P


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:37:02
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 11:18=A0am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 11:02 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> Petter Solbu wrote:
> >>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >>>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
> >>>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
> >>>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
> >>>> Federer did.
> >>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
> >>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (=
day).
> >>> PS.
> >> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>
> >> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
> >> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
> >> outwilt him.
>
> > Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
> > semis of a slam ?
> > 36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.
>
> > There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US open
>
> > As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
> > couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling
>
> In the history of Open tennis? Probably.
>
> For pros who are prepared for the US Open SF and Final gap that is much
> worse than this, there is no excuse for crying about this scheduling
> non-issue.
>
> Djokovic needs to work harder on his fitness. He has improved but has
> ways to go.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

can you name anyone player that played 36 hours later with 12 hour
difference in quarters or semis of a slam ?

How can you prepare for that ?

Here is the deal, let Federer play like that from now on


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:55:25
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:18 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> erdega79 wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 11:02 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>> Petter Solbu wrote:
>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
>>>>>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
>>>>>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
>>>>>> Federer did.
>>>>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
>>>>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (day).
>>>>> PS.
>>>> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>>>> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
>>>> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
>>>> outwilt him.
>>> Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
>>> semis of a slam ?
>>> 36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.
>>> There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US open
>>> As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
>>> couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling
>> In the history of Open tennis? Probably.
>>
>> For pros who are prepared for the US Open SF and Final gap that is much
>> worse than this, there is no excuse for crying about this scheduling
>> non-issue.
>>
>> Djokovic needs to work harder on his fitness. He has improved but has
>> ways to go.
>>
> can you name anyone player that played 36 hours later with 12 hour
> difference in quarters or semis of a slam ?
>
> How can you prepare for that ?
>
> Here is the deal, let Federer play like that from now on

You will just complain about the next Djokovic's day match following a
night match that doesn't go Djokovic's way.

--
Cheers,

vc


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:33:13
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 8:18=A0am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 11:02 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> Petter Solbu wrote:
> >>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >>>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
> >>>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
> >>>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
> >>>> Federer did.
> >>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
> >>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (=
day).
> >>> PS.
> >> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>
> >> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
> >> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
> >> outwilt him.
>
> > Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
> > semis of a slam ?
> > 36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.
>
> > There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US open
>
> > As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
> > couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling
>
> In the history of Open tennis? Probably.
>
> For pros who are prepared for the US Open SF and Final gap that is much
> worse than this, there is no excuse for crying about this scheduling
> non-issue.
>
> Djokovic needs to work harder on his fitness. He has improved but has
> ways to go.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

++ And perhaps It isn't a fitness issue with Djokovic... perhaps he
showed HIS ceiling of elite fitness and it/he just cannot stand up to
the demands that can arise in extreme situations sometimes befalling a
player(s) at a major...

P


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:08:09
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 11:02=A0am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Petter Solbu wrote:
> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
> >> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
> >> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
> >> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
> >> Federer did.
>
> > Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
> > Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (da=
y).
>
> > PS.
>
> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>
> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
> outwilt him.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc

Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
semis of a slam ?
36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.

There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US open

As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:18:44
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:02 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> Petter Solbu wrote:
>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
>>>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
>>>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
>>>> Federer did.
>>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
>>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (day).
>>> PS.
>> And he almost lost or at least came close.
>>
>> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
>> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
>> outwilt him.
>>
>
> Is there anyone else that got Djokovic scheduling in the quarters and
> semis of a slam ?
> 36 hour break, 12 hour difference in the day.
>
> There was no reason for Djokovic to play that early here or in US open
>
> As much as I am annoyed by losing and retiring of Djokovic, he
> couldn't help it here at all and it's totally fault of scheduling

In the history of Open tennis? Probably.

For pros who are prepared for the US Open SF and Final gap that is much
worse than this, there is no excuse for crying about this scheduling
non-issue.

Djokovic needs to work harder on his fitness. He has improved but has
ways to go.

--
Cheers,

vc


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:59:38
From: erdega79
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
On Jan 27, 9:49=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901..=
.
>
> >> Key point:
>
> >> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> >> enough, just get out of here."
>
> >> PS.
>
> > Wouldn't he like that ?
>
> > What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
> > in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches
>
> Repeat? I didn't understand your post at all...

Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:44:46
From: Richard Eich
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79@gmail.com wrote...
> On Jan 27, 9:49=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > erdega79 wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901=
...
> >
> > >> Key point:
> >
> > >> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > >> enough, just get out of here."
> >
> > >> PS.
> >
> > > Wouldn't he like that ?
> >
> > > What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarter=
s
> > > in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches
> >
> > Repeat? I didn't understand your post at all...
>=20
> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day.

Mmmmm...no. No, a break of 36 hours for a 21-yo professional athlete=20
isn't comparable at all with playing on the other side of the world=20
with a 12 hour difference in the day. Mr. Quitter had a day and a=20
half off. He could have had a week off and he'd still have quit,=20
because he's a prima donna bitch and he quits when he's getting his=20
ass whipped.

--=20
A fight starts when a man reaches the limits of his intelligence.


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:34:53
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit

On 27-Jan-2009, erdega79 <erdega79@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 27, 9:49 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > erdega79 wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
> >
> > >> Key point:
> >
> > >> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
> > >> enough, just get out of here."
> >
> > >> PS.
> >
> > > Wouldn't he like that ?
> >
> > > What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
> > > in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches
> >
> > Repeat? I didn't understand your post at all...
>
> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
> same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
> am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
> tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.

Did you watch the match? Since I was watching a stream there were no
interruptions or commercial breaks during the changeovers. This had
absolutely nothing to do with recovery time and everything to do with
Djokovic's poor fitness *and* mentality. Looking at him while tournament
officials surrounded him time and time again on changeovers it appeared as
if the heat had beaten his mind more than his body.


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:27:04
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:

> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
> same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
> am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
> tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.

What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed out.

PS.


    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:52:53
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Petter Solbu wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
>
>> Novak finnished his last match at 2AM and had to play again at 2PM ,
>> or 36 hours later. You don't have to be a professional athlete to know
>> that that is extremely stressful if not impossible, it's like playing
>> on the other side of the world with 12 hour difference in the day. The
>> same thing happened in US open last year in semis against Federer . I
>> am not alleging conspiracy but there is something very wrong with
>> tennis scheduling and it just so happens to work against Djokovic.
>
> What is so special about the recovery between 4th round and QF? Federer
> had about the same time to recover for a tough match against Berdych
> which ended up in a five set victory for Federer. If you can't handle
> that you should stop playing tennis at this level, like Federer pointed
> out.
>
> PS.

The funniest part of the whole brouhaha is that Federer wasn't even
speaking of Djokovic.

Excerpt from interview with the comment is reproduced below. Note that
no player is mentioned by name.

Q. You're not a man that normally calls for trainers. Do you have a view
on the habit of players to call trainers and possibly stop matches in
the flow of the matches currently and whether that's right or wrong?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it's a fine line, isn't it? We'll never
find the perfect scenario for that. What shall I say? I never usually
call the trainer. Exactly.

When I came out on the tour and I was young, and I - back then the rule
was different. You couldn't - what was it, a toilet break any time you
wanted except obviously between the two games you were on the court. So
you could basically take it at 6-5 in the third set. So that's changed.
Now you can only take them on set breaks, which I think really works out
well now.

But then with the trainer, I guess it's a tough thing. I really felt
when I was coming up the young players abused it, especially against a
player like me. A little bit unsecure [sic] about finishing matches, you
lose a set easy, and then you go to the toilet and call the trainer and
strap your ankle.

Next thing you know, you're twenty minutes extra out on the court.
Things go through your mind. Then once I got out on center court, you
know, I guess I got the respect I deserved. People stop doing it against
you. I think that's nice, in a way.

Probably on the outside courts it's still being abused at times. It's
there to be used, so why not use it to give yourself a better chance to
win? You don't fly to Australia to not give it your best shot.

I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
enough, just get out of here.

But if something really bad happens, okay, it is just unfortunate, I
guess. It's a tough call. I mean, I don't know. I guess we'll speak
about it and see what happens.

--
Cheers,

vc


     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:54:13
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:

> The funniest part of the whole brouhaha is that Federer wasn't even
> speaking of Djokovic.

I know, but it is pretty obvious what he is referring to. :-)

PS.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:50:08
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>>
>> Key point:
>>
>> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
>> enough, just get out of here."
>>
>> PS.
>
> Wouldn't he like that ?
>
> What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
> in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches

I didn't expect you to be so hard on Djokovic. But good that you can be
objective. Surprised me pleasantly.

--
Cheers,

vc


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:49:15
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
erdega79 wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>>
>> Key point:
>>
>> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
>> enough, just get out of here."
>>
>> PS.
>
> Wouldn't he like that ?
>
> What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
> in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches

Repeat? I didn't understand your post at all...


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:51:09
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Petter Solbu wrote:
> erdega79 wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 9:03 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-27/200901...
>>>
>>> Key point:
>>>
>>> "I'm almost in favor to just say, you know what, if you're not fit
>>> enough, just get out of here."
>>>
>>> PS.
>>
>> Wouldn't he like that ?
>>
>> What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
>> in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches
>
> Repeat? I didn't understand your post at all...

I can repeat that for you.

"Wouldn't he like that ?

What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches"

Is it any better? :-)

--
Cheers,

vc


    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:01:19
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:

> I can repeat that for you.
>
> "Wouldn't he like that ?
>
> What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
> in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches"
>
> Is it any better? :-)
>

Not really. Where does the 12 hour difference come from? He is talking
about Fed or Djokovic?

PS.


     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:45:28
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Petter Solbu wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>> I can repeat that for you.
>>
>> "Wouldn't he like that ?
>>
>> What a mental midget, but how would he like to play semis and quarters
>> in 12 hour difference after tough previous matches"
>>
>> Is it any better? :-)
>>
>
> Not really. Where does the 12 hour difference come from? He is talking
> about Fed or Djokovic?
>
> PS.

He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had an
even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the longer
break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that Federer did.

--
Cheers,

vc


      
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:50:45
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:

> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had an
> even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the longer
> break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that Federer did.

Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (day).

PS.


       
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:02:58
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Petter Solbu wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>> He is complaining that Djokovic had a tough night match and then had
>> an even tougher day match getting a shorter break instead of the
>> longer break (if you get a day match followed by a night match) that
>> Federer did.
>
> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych (day).
>
> PS.

And he almost lost or at least came close.

But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
outwilt him.

--
Cheers,

vc


        
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:24:49
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Federer speaking about Djoker's exit
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:

>> Where do 12 hours come from? Djokovic had about 35 hours to recover.
>> Federer had to recover from the Safin match (night) to play Berdych
>> (day).
>
> And he almost lost or at least came close.

I doubt it had anything to do with the Safin match. It basically was
Berdych playing out of his mind and Federer having a couple of poor
opening games.

> But this happens to the top pros in every slam with night sessions.
> Djokovic wilted in the heat and was probably expecting Roddick to
> outwilt him.

Exactly.

PS.