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Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:11:00
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Federer's serve
Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?




 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:45:29
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?


It's still great v clowns.


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 13:32:43
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On 9 Jan, 19:50, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 7:46=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 10:35 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 10:27 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > > > <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.c=
om...
>
> > > > > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.co=
m >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with t=
hat?
>
> > > > > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> > > > 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or =
the
> > > > humidity/atmosphere.
>
> > > Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
> > > second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.
>
> > I'm just recalling how several years ago he (a) changed his serving
> > motion slightly and (b) talked about how he didn't serve all out
> > because he wanted to preserve his arm. Hence why I wouldn't be
> > surprised that now, with him admitting that he's focusing solely on
> > the slams, with him getting older, if he's REALLY taking it easy
> > during small tune-ups (may be different at a Masters event) for that
> > same reason.
>
> Federer looked really pumped up after clinching the first set, as if
> he really wanted to win.
>
> However he persists with easing off on the serve, and this is fatal
> against Murray. So is he trying to win without going full out on the
> serve? Who knows. He certainly seems to be giving it full effort on
> the rest of his game (until towards the end).

His body language at the end spoke volumes. He wanted to win this one,
big time. His big problem wasn't finding aces, it was the number of
doubles he served (and the huge number of UEs...).

IMO he was scared of Murray's ROS, and that was putting big pressure
on his serve. The problem wasn't pace, it was placement. His serving
radar was all over the place.


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 12:13:23
From:
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 8:01=A0pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:50=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 7:46=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 10:35 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 10:27 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > > > > <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups=
.com...
>
> > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.=
com >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with=
that?
>
> > > > > > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> > > > > 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface o=
r the
> > > > > humidity/atmosphere.
>
> > > > Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
> > > > second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.
>
> > > I'm just recalling how several years ago he (a) changed his serving
> > > motion slightly and (b) talked about how he didn't serve all out
> > > because he wanted to preserve his arm. Hence why I wouldn't be
> > > surprised that now, with him admitting that he's focusing solely on
> > > the slams, with him getting older, if he's REALLY taking it easy
> > > during small tune-ups (may be different at a Masters event) for that
> > > same reason.
>
> > Federer looked really pumped up after clinching the first set, as if
> > he really wanted to win.
>
> And he sure looked pissed at the end. Barely shook Andy's hand and
> didn't shake the umps hand, as far as I could tell.
>
>
>
> > However he persists with easing off on the serve, and this is fatal
> > against Murray. So is he trying to win without going full out on the
> > serve? Who knows. He certainly seems to be giving it full effort on
> > the rest of his game (until towards the end).
>
> I hope Federer is using these tune ups to practice volleying and
> preserve his arm. If so, Federer hasn't totally accepted it yet. I
> guess we'll get a better sense of it at the AO.

Federer came in quite a lot in the first set today, but very little
after that.



 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 12:01:36
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 11:50=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 7:46=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 10:35 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 10:27 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > > > <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.c=
om...
>
> > > > > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.co=
m >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with t=
hat?
>
> > > > > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> > > > 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or =
the
> > > > humidity/atmosphere.
>
> > > Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
> > > second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.
>
> > I'm just recalling how several years ago he (a) changed his serving
> > motion slightly and (b) talked about how he didn't serve all out
> > because he wanted to preserve his arm. Hence why I wouldn't be
> > surprised that now, with him admitting that he's focusing solely on
> > the slams, with him getting older, if he's REALLY taking it easy
> > during small tune-ups (may be different at a Masters event) for that
> > same reason.
>
> Federer looked really pumped up after clinching the first set, as if
> he really wanted to win.

And he sure looked pissed at the end. Barely shook Andy's hand and
didn't shake the umps hand, as far as I could tell.

>
> However he persists with easing off on the serve, and this is fatal
> against Murray. So is he trying to win without going full out on the
> serve? Who knows. He certainly seems to be giving it full effort on
> the rest of his game (until towards the end).

I hope Federer is using these tune ups to practice volleying and
preserve his arm. If so, Federer hasn't totally accepted it yet. I
guess we'll get a better sense of it at the AO.



 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 11:50:58
From:
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 7:46=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 10:35 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 10:27 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > > <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com=
...
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with tha=
t?
>
> > > > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> > > 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or th=
e
> > > humidity/atmosphere.
>
> > Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
> > second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.
>
> I'm just recalling how several years ago he (a) changed his serving
> motion slightly and (b) talked about how he didn't serve all out
> because he wanted to preserve his arm. Hence why I wouldn't be
> surprised that now, with him admitting that he's focusing solely on
> the slams, with him getting older, if he's REALLY taking it easy
> during small tune-ups (may be different at a Masters event) for that
> same reason.

Federer looked really pumped up after clinching the first set, as if
he really wanted to win.

However he persists with easing off on the serve, and this is fatal
against Murray. So is he trying to win without going full out on the
serve? Who knows. He certainly seems to be giving it full effort on
the rest of his game (until towards the end).



 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 11:46:05
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 10:35 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 10:27 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?
>
> > > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> > 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or the
> > humidity/atmosphere.
>
> Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
> second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.

I'm just recalling how several years ago he (a) changed his serving
motion slightly and (b) talked about how he didn't serve all out
because he wanted to preserve his arm. Hence why I wouldn't be
surprised that now, with him admitting that he's focusing solely on
the slams, with him getting older, if he's REALLY taking it easy
during small tune-ups (may be different at a Masters event) for that
same reason.


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:35:55
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 10:27=A0am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?
>
> > I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.
>
> 6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or the
> humidity/atmosphere.

Overall, they served comparably, but Federer's serve sucked in the
second set. Maybe that's par for the course with him.


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:23:00
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?

I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 18:27:56
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Federer's serve
<andrew.reys@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:19d23610-3586-4a04-a8a5-5512770d8753@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 9, 10:11 am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Not good, not in this match or the ones before. What's up with that?
>
> I suspect he's taking it easy given the tournament.

6 aces to Murray's 7, I think it's more to do with this surface or the
humidity/atmosphere.