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Date: 26 Jan 2009 11:03:46
From: Stapler
Subject: Fed's decline in Masters Series
From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.

So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
has decreased to 1 every 8 months.





 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:35:22
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Stapler wrote:
> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.

Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams have
been very lucky!

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 12:01:25
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On 26 jan, 18:04, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> john wrote:
> > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> >news:1ehfl.124279$_03.114998@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> >> Stapler wrote:
> >>> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
> >> Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams ha=
ve
> >> been very lucky!
>
> > The last time federer lost in a slam before semi was 2004 FO and since =
he
> > has been in 18 slams
> > he has reached semi final or better for 4.5 years. =A0If he is lucky to=
win
> > his late slams then Nadal
> > is even luckier because his streak to semi final in slam only stretch t=
o
> > last years AO.
>
> It's that semi-streak again...remember when it used to be finals streak?

Yes, he started over. At 3 at the moment. 7 to equal, 8 to break his
own record.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:33:37
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 6:35=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> TT wrote:
> > Stapler wrote:
> >> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> > Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams hav=
e
> > been very lucky!
>
> Make that 16 months though.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

What about YEC 2007?


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 00:34:55
From: john
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:1ehfl.124279$_03.114998@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> Stapler wrote:
>> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams have
> been very lucky!
>

The last time federer lost in a slam before semi was 2004 FO and since he
has been in 18 slams
he has reached semi final or better for 4.5 years. If he is lucky to win
his late slams then Nadal
is even luckier because his streak to semi final in slam only stretch to
last years AO.

> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"




   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:04:08
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
john wrote:
> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> news:1ehfl.124279$_03.114998@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Stapler wrote:
>>> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>> Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams have
>> been very lucky!
>>
>
> The last time federer lost in a slam before semi was 2004 FO and since he
> has been in 18 slams
> he has reached semi final or better for 4.5 years. If he is lucky to win
> his late slams then Nadal
> is even luckier because his streak to semi final in slam only stretch to
> last years AO.

It's that semi-streak again...remember when it used to be finals streak?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:35:47
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
TT wrote:
> Stapler wrote:
>> since has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> Haven't won one in 26 months now. That tells us that his late slams have
> been very lucky!
>

Make that 16 months though.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 03:25:19
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 6:03=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.

Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
point in his career?


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 17:52:38
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 12:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:30=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 6:27=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com.=
..
> > > On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > > From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> > > > From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> > > > So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months,=
since
> > > > has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
> > > >>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at th=
is
>
> > > point in his career?<<<<
>
> > > He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. =
Well
> > > that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before h=
e does?
> > > Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous p=
ace, 12
> > > in 4 years.
>
> > Does *all the records* mean total tournament titles as well? In that
> > case, Fed's still trailing Jimbo by more
> > than 50 titles.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> you are mistaken big time. He trails Jimbo by a lot more than 50
> titles. He will NEVER get there.
>
> Roger Federer is 25th now
>
> Rod Laver : 198 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Jimmy Connors : 147 tournaments (see all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Ivan Lendl : 144 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Jaroslav Drobny : 136 tournaments
> Ken Rosewall : at least 132 tournaments (See all the complete details
> in the corresponding article.)
> Bill Tilden : at least 130 tournaments
> Tony Wilding : at least 112 tournaments (See all the complete details
> in the corresponding article.)
> Roy Emerson : at least 110 tournaments (See all the complete details
> in the corresponding french article.)
> Bj=F6rn Borg : 100 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> John McEnroe : 99 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Pancho Gonzales : 91 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Bobby Riggs : 89 tournaments
> Ilie N=E3stase : 87 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Budge Patty : 78 tournaments
> Manuel Santana : 74 tournaments
> Arthur Ashe : 73 tournaments
> Martin Mulligan : 72 tournaments
> John Newcombe : 70 tournaments
> Guillermo Vilas : 68 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
> corresponding article.)
> Andre Agassi : 65 tournaments or 75 if non-ATP are counted (See all
> the complete details in the corresponding article.)
> Pete Sampras : 64 tournaments
> Gardnar Mulloy : 63 tournaments
> Stan Smith : 60 tournaments
> Bob Hewitt : 59 tournaments
> Roger Federer : 58 tournaments including Brest challenger, January
> 1999 and AAMI Kooyong Classic, January 2005)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_male_players_statistics- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, I said *more than 50 titles* so I wasn't mistaken :-)


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:13:37
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 9:30=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:27=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> > > From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> > > So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, s=
ince
> > > has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
> > >>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
>
> > point in his career?<<<<
>
> > He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. We=
ll
> > that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he =
does?
> > Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pac=
e, 12
> > in 4 years.
>
> Does *all the records* mean total tournament titles as well? In that
> case, Fed's still trailing Jimbo by more
> than 50 titles.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you are mistaken big time. He trails Jimbo by a lot more than 50
titles. He will NEVER get there.

Roger Federer is 25th now

Rod Laver : 198 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Jimmy Connors : 147 tournaments (see all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Ivan Lendl : 144 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Jaroslav Drobny : 136 tournaments
Ken Rosewall : at least 132 tournaments (See all the complete details
in the corresponding article.)
Bill Tilden : at least 130 tournaments
Tony Wilding : at least 112 tournaments (See all the complete details
in the corresponding article.)
Roy Emerson : at least 110 tournaments (See all the complete details
in the corresponding french article.)
Bj=F6rn Borg : 100 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
John McEnroe : 99 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Pancho Gonzales : 91 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Bobby Riggs : 89 tournaments
Ilie N=E3stase : 87 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Budge Patty : 78 tournaments
Manuel Santana : 74 tournaments
Arthur Ashe : 73 tournaments
Martin Mulligan : 72 tournaments
John Newcombe : 70 tournaments
Guillermo Vilas : 68 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
corresponding article.)
Andre Agassi : 65 tournaments or 75 if non-ATP are counted (See all
the complete details in the corresponding article.)
Pete Sampras : 64 tournaments
Gardnar Mulloy : 63 tournaments
Stan Smith : 60 tournaments
Bob Hewitt : 59 tournaments
Roger Federer : 58 tournaments including Brest challenger, January
1999 and AAMI Kooyong Classic, January 2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_male_players_statistics



   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:23:30
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:13:37 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 26, 9:30 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 6:27 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>> > > From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>
>> > > So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>> > > has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>> > >>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
>>
>> > point in his career?<<<<
>>
>> > He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. Well
>> > that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he does?
>> > Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pace, 12
>> > in 4 years.
>>
>> Does *all the records* mean total tournament titles as well? In that
>> case, Fed's still trailing Jimbo by more
>> than 50 titles.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>you are mistaken big time. He trails Jimbo by a lot more than 50
>titles. He will NEVER get there.
>
>Roger Federer is 25th now
>
>Rod Laver : 198 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Jimmy Connors : 147 tournaments (see all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Ivan Lendl : 144 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Jaroslav Drobny : 136 tournaments
>Ken Rosewall : at least 132 tournaments (See all the complete details
>in the corresponding article.)
>Bill Tilden : at least 130 tournaments
>Tony Wilding : at least 112 tournaments (See all the complete details
>in the corresponding article.)
>Roy Emerson : at least 110 tournaments (See all the complete details
>in the corresponding french article.)
>Björn Borg : 100 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>John McEnroe : 99 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Pancho Gonzales : 91 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Bobby Riggs : 89 tournaments
>Ilie Nãstase : 87 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Budge Patty : 78 tournaments
>Manuel Santana : 74 tournaments
>Arthur Ashe : 73 tournaments
>Martin Mulligan : 72 tournaments
>John Newcombe : 70 tournaments
>Guillermo Vilas : 68 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>corresponding article.)
>Andre Agassi : 65 tournaments or 75 if non-ATP are counted (See all
>the complete details in the corresponding article.)
>Pete Sampras : 64 tournaments
>Gardnar Mulloy : 63 tournaments
>Stan Smith : 60 tournaments
>Bob Hewitt : 59 tournaments
>Roger Federer : 58 tournaments including Brest challenger, January
>1999 and AAMI Kooyong Classic, January 2005)
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_male_players_statistics

That's stupid if Wikipedia is rewriting the history, and changing the
numbers that have been known by everyone for a long time.



    
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:47:48
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:13:37 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 26, 9:30 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 26, 6:27 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>>>>> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>>>> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>>>>> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>>>>>>> Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
>>>> point in his career?<<<<
>>>> He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. Well
>>>> that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he does?
>>>> Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pace, 12
>>>> in 4 years.
>>> Does *all the records* mean total tournament titles as well? In that
>>> case, Fed's still trailing Jimbo by more
>>> than 50 titles.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> you are mistaken big time. He trails Jimbo by a lot more than 50
>> titles. He will NEVER get there.
>>
>> Roger Federer is 25th now
>>
>> Rod Laver : 198 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Jimmy Connors : 147 tournaments (see all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Ivan Lendl : 144 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Jaroslav Drobny : 136 tournaments
>> Ken Rosewall : at least 132 tournaments (See all the complete details
>> in the corresponding article.)
>> Bill Tilden : at least 130 tournaments
>> Tony Wilding : at least 112 tournaments (See all the complete details
>> in the corresponding article.)
>> Roy Emerson : at least 110 tournaments (See all the complete details
>> in the corresponding french article.)
>> Björn Borg : 100 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> John McEnroe : 99 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Pancho Gonzales : 91 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Bobby Riggs : 89 tournaments
>> Ilie Nãstase : 87 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Budge Patty : 78 tournaments
>> Manuel Santana : 74 tournaments
>> Arthur Ashe : 73 tournaments
>> Martin Mulligan : 72 tournaments
>> John Newcombe : 70 tournaments
>> Guillermo Vilas : 68 tournaments (See all the complete details in the
>> corresponding article.)
>> Andre Agassi : 65 tournaments or 75 if non-ATP are counted (See all
>> the complete details in the corresponding article.)
>> Pete Sampras : 64 tournaments
>> Gardnar Mulloy : 63 tournaments
>> Stan Smith : 60 tournaments
>> Bob Hewitt : 59 tournaments
>> Roger Federer : 58 tournaments including Brest challenger, January
>> 1999 and AAMI Kooyong Classic, January 2005)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_male_players_statistics

>
> That's stupid if Wikipedia is rewriting the history, and changing the
> numbers that have been known by everyone for a long time.
>

No. History has been rewritten earlier.

There's someone very knowledgeable tennis historian that has
created/modified many tennis pages in Wikipedia...which is very good.

Numbers that ATP claims are plain wrong, they're not counting pre open
era titles and have some missing records during open era too I think.

For example for Laver ATP counts his pre open era slam wins...however
they DO NOT count them as tournaments won. Something fairly wrong with
that...


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:31:46
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 6:31=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Jason Catlin wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> >> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> >> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, si=
nce
> >> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> > Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
> > point in his career?
>
> You have a point, he will not be able to compete with Nadal on that
> front and being able to make any significant records that would be
> remembered.

There is one record you might have heard of that he's three matches
away from tying.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:00:46
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:31 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Jason Catlin wrote:
>>> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>>>> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>>> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>>>> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>>> Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
>>> point in his career?
>> You have a point, he will not be able to compete with Nadal on that
>> front and being able to make any significant records that would be
>> remembered.
>
> There is one record you might have heard of that he's three matches
> away from tying.

He has 14 while Nadal is 5 years younger and has 12 already...that's why
I said he's not able to compete with Nadal on that front.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:30:49
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Jan 26, 6:27=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> > From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> > So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, sin=
ce
> > has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
> >>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
>
> point in his career?<<<<
>
> He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. Well
> that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he do=
es?
> Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pace,=
12
> in 4 years.

Does *all the records* mean total tournament titles as well? In that
case, Fed's still trailing Jimbo by more
than 50 titles.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:31:14
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>
>> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
> point in his career?

You have a point, he will not be able to compete with Nadal on that
front and being able to make any significant records that would be
remembered.
The real reason though for not "caring" is that he's not good enough to
win them, as proven last year.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 13:28:59
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>
>> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
> Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
> point in his career?

To get "his" #1 back?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 11:27:52
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
"Jason Catlin" <jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>
> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.

>>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
point in his career?<<<<

He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. Well
that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he does?
Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pace, 12
in 4 years.



   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:14:29
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Stapler <d@d.com > wrote:
> "Jason Catlin" <jason-catlin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:70291e7d-719a-4f05-be6e-f1171c73b5f2@f3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 26, 6:03 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> From March 04-March 06 he won 9 MS titles in 24 months.
>> From April06-November08, 4 MS titles in 31 months.
>>
>> So in his best period he managed to win them at 1 every 2.5 months, since
>> has decreased to 1 every 8 months.
>
>>>>Why in the world would someone like Fed care about MS titles at this
> point in his career?<<<<
>
> He stated back in 2006-2007 that he wanted to break all the records. Well
> that one is 17 by Agassi. Does he want Nadal to get that one before he does?
> Because Nadal has racked them up in the last 4 years at a prodigous pace, 12
> in 4 years.

Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.


    
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:07:57
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.

It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?

Furthermore there are/were only 3 clay MS titles(one of which Hamburg)
...and 6 HC titles.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


     
Date: 26 Jan 2009 15:44:45
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.
>
> It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
> why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?

I'm sure that if you think about it for long enough the answer will be there
for you.

(I mean, seriously?)


      
Date: 26 Jan 2009 22:23:28
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.
>> It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
>> why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?
>
> I'm sure that if you think about it for long enough the answer will be there
> for you.
>
> (I mean, seriously?)

The answer is of course that Nadal was more dominant on clay than Roger
on hc.
Roger wasn't in fact dominant at all compared to Rafa, on their
respective favourite surfaces.


You think I'm missing something here?


       
Date: 27 Jan 2009 01:05:28
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:23:28 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>>> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.
>>> It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
>>> why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?
>>
>> I'm sure that if you think about it for long enough the answer will be there
>> for you.
>>
>> (I mean, seriously?)
>
>The answer is of course that Nadal was more dominant on clay than Roger
>on hc.
>Roger wasn't in fact dominant at all compared to Rafa, on their
>respective favourite surfaces.
>
>
>You think I'm missing something here?

reality, truth and a pair of balls.


        
Date: 27 Jan 2009 03:16:10
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:23:28 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.
>>>> It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
>>>> why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?
>>> I'm sure that if you think about it for long enough the answer will be there
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> (I mean, seriously?)
>> The answer is of course that Nadal was more dominant on clay than Roger
>> on hc.
>> Roger wasn't in fact dominant at all compared to Rafa, on their
>> respective favourite surfaces.
>>
>>
>> You think I'm missing something here?
>
> reality, truth and a pair of balls.

If true I'd be a fedfucker...

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


       
Date: 26 Jan 2009 17:18:50
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Fed's decline in Masters Series
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>>> Javier Gonzalez wrote:
>>>> Having the clay MS titles all but in the bag sure helps.
>>> It sure does...but the question is that if Federer was so "dominant" -
>>> why didn't he have HC MS titles in the bag?
>>
>> I'm sure that if you think about it for long enough the answer will be there
>> for you.
>>
>> (I mean, seriously?)
>
> The answer is of course that Nadal was more dominant on clay than Roger
> on hc.
> Roger wasn't in fact dominant at all compared to Rafa, on their
> respective favourite surfaces.
>
> You think I'm missing something here?


Very good.