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Date: 25 Jan 2009 02:08:02
From: Wayne
Subject: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
Are becoming more frequent: 5 setters vs Tipsarevic at AO 08, Andreev
at USO 08, and now Berdych at AO 09. During periods like 05-07, it was
unthinkable that Fed could lose before the SF of a slam, now it seems
like only a matter of time (Doubt he'll lose to Del Potro though). Fed
is clearly in decline but the downward curve is not very steep, hence
why he's still a strong contender at every slam.




 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:31:22
From:
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Jan 25, 8:27=A0am, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 11:53=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Adam Thirnis wrote:
> > > yes clearly fed has been on the way down since 2006 - in fact 04/05
> > > was when he was at his best.
>
> > According to his ranking points, results and winning percentage he was
> > at peak in 06.
>
> > > it was the same for the other great
> > > "talents" sampras, mac, becker, edberg - they all peaked in their
> > > early 20s
>
> > Didn't nearly every great peak before Federer though. Late bloomer&earl=
y
> > fader.
>
> > --
> > "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> > singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
> This result clearly shows that Fed will lose against a decent
> opponent, probably Djoker in SF.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nole is beating him again like last year at AO. Plexicushion favors
Nole's game more than Fed's this aint the USO which favors Fed more.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:29:22
From:
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Jan 25, 5:08=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Are becoming more frequent: 5 setters vs Tipsarevic at AO 08, Andreev
> at USO 08, and now Berdych at AO 09. During periods like 05-07, it was
> unthinkable that Fed could lose before the SF of a slam, now it seems
> like only a matter of time (Doubt he'll lose to Del Potro though). Fed
> is clearly in decline but the downward curve is not very steep, hence
> why he's still a strong contender at every slam.

Are becoming more frequent coz he is getting older. He is not 23 or 24
anymore but he is almost 28.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 01:02:38
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:29:22 -0800 (PST), Arancione@selin.com wrote:

>On Jan 25, 5:08 am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Are becoming more frequent: 5 setters vs Tipsarevic at AO 08, Andreev
>> at USO 08, and now Berdych at AO 09. During periods like 05-07, it was
>> unthinkable that Fed could lose before the SF of a slam, now it seems
>> like only a matter of time (Doubt he'll lose to Del Potro though). Fed
>> is clearly in decline but the downward curve is not very steep, hence
>> why he's still a strong contender at every slam.
>
>Are becoming more frequent coz he is getting older. He is not 23 or 24
>anymore but he is almost 28.

no he is not almost 28. that's as bad as when whisper said Fed was
"barely half way" to 14 slams after winning his 10th.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 06:26:55
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Jan 25, 9:18=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 25 Jan, 14:09, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Federer played five sets against Haas in the AO in 2006 (R16).
>
> OK forgot about that one.
>
> >Also
> > played five sets against Agassi in some USO.
>
> But it was Agassi - obviously not the same as being taken to 5 sets by
> Tipsy and Andreev. I still think my point stands; Fed is more
> vulnerable in the earlier stages in slams than he was between 05-07.

Look I think he became a little bit more vulnerable in general, but
it's not fair not to credit his opponents on their level of play.
Federer is the top guy (13 slams) that every player wants to beat in
any day. This situation will continue even after Federer is ranked 30.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 06:18:27
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On 25 Jan, 14:09, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:

> Federer played five sets against Haas in the AO in 2006 (R16).

OK forgot about that one.

>Also
> played five sets against Agassi in some USO.

But it was Agassi - obviously not the same as being taken to 5 sets by
Tipsy and Andreev. I still think my point stands; Fed is more
vulnerable in the earlier stages in slams than he was between 05-07.





 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 06:09:59
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Jan 25, 5:08=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Are becoming more frequent: 5 setters vs Tipsarevic at AO 08, Andreev
> at USO 08, and now Berdych at AO 09. During periods like 05-07, it was
> unthinkable that Fed could lose before the SF of a slam, now it seems
> like only a matter of time (Doubt he'll lose to Del Potro though). Fed
> is clearly in decline but the downward curve is not very steep, hence
> why he's still a strong contender at every slam.

Federer played five sets against Haas in the AO in 2006 (R16). Also
played five sets against Agassi in some USO.
There were many four sets matches, but Berdych played super.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 05:27:21
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Jan 25, 11:53=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Adam Thirnis wrote:
> > yes clearly fed has been on the way down since 2006 - in fact 04/05
> > was when he was at his best.
>
> According to his ranking points, results and winning percentage he was
> at peak in 06.
>
> > it was the same for the other great
> > "talents" sampras, mac, becker, edberg - they all peaked in their
> > early 20s
>
> Didn't nearly every great peak before Federer though. Late bloomer&early
> fader.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

This result clearly shows that Fed will lose against a decent
opponent, probably Djoker in SF.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 09:10:43
From:
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
In article
<878dc0de-bfc4-49b4-adb9-51d1df3836c8@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk (GOAT) wrote:

>
> This result clearly shows that Fed will lose against a decent
> opponent, probably Djoker in SF.

How silly. It often happens that a great player struggles in an earlier
round only to blow away opponents in the sf and f. If the result were so
clear we wouldn't play the matches...

wg


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 13:32:41
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:27:21 -0800 (PST), GOAT
<thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

>On Jan 25, 11:53 am, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Adam Thirnis wrote:
>> > yes clearly fed has been on the way down since 2006 - in fact 04/05
>> > was when he was at his best.
>>
>> According to his ranking points, results and winning percentage he was
>> at peak in 06.
>>
>> > it was the same for the other great
>> > "talents" sampras, mac, becker, edberg - they all peaked in their
>> > early 20s
>>
>> Didn't nearly every great peak before Federer though. Late bloomer&early
>> fader.
>>
>> --
>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"
>
>This result clearly shows that Fed will lose against a decent
>opponent, probably Djoker in SF.


Djoker will be fortunate to get past Baghdatis the way he is playing !


   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 14:45:33
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
Dave Hazelwood wrote:

> Djoker will be fortunate to get past Baghdatis the way he is playing !

Djoker will most probably win this match 3-0. I have to agree that
Djokovic is the favorite in a potential match against Roger, based on
what I have seen of the two players in this tournament.

PS.


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 02:35:50
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
On 25 Jan, 10:08, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Are becoming more frequent: 5 setters vs Tipsarevic at AO 08, Andreev
> at USO 08, and now Berdych at AO 09. During periods like 05-07, it was
> unthinkable that Fed could lose before the SF of a slam, now it seems
> like only a matter of time (Doubt he'll lose to Del Potro though). Fed
> is clearly in decline but the downward curve is not very steep, hence
> why he's still a strong contender at every slam.

Well he beat him easily last time .

If it had del porto instead of birdshit I'm pretty sure Fed would be
out ..

Andrev is not mental juggernaut either i.e. Blake owns him

So to look at it another way even the flaky players feel they cant
beat him i.e. until their instincts kick in ..

I agree I think Fed will beat DP and tidy his game up i.e. cos he
knows hes dangerous



 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 02:20:53
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
yes clearly fed has been on the way down since 2006 - in fact 04/05
was when he was at his best. it was the same for the other great
"talents" sampras, mac, becker, edberg - they all peaked in their
early 20s - after that it was a case of eeking out results against
younger men who can run around like jack-rabbits. fed's talent is
immense though and can pull him through - like uso 08 - but a semi
against djokovic will be tough.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 13:53:07
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fed's difficulties before slams SFs.........
Adam Thirnis wrote:
> yes clearly fed has been on the way down since 2006 - in fact 04/05
> was when he was at his best.

According to his ranking points, results and winning percentage he was
at peak in 06.

> it was the same for the other great
> "talents" sampras, mac, becker, edberg - they all peaked in their
> early 20s

Didn't nearly every great peak before Federer though. Late bloomer&early
fader.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"