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Date: 20 Jan 2009 15:38:54
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Fixed draws

I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
was a bit suspicious.

For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
play a few games.

As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
do something.

And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.

:-)




 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 02:59:15
From: TT
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
Sakari Lund wrote:
>
> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> do something.

What would you expect from a guy whose career spanned through whole
clown era...


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 08:48:39
From:
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 8:38=A0am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
> was a bit suspicious.
>
> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
> play a few games.
>
> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> do something.
>
> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>
> =A0 :-)

hahahahah, a delusional fedfucker complaining about fixed draws!


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 20:16:33
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:39 -0800 (PST), Arancione@selin.com wrote:

>On Jan 20, 8:38 am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>> was a bit suspicious.
>>
>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>> play a few games.
>>
>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>> do something.
>>
>> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
>> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>>
>>   :-)
>
>hahahahah, a delusional fedfucker complaining about fixed draws!

Demonstrating what we have to read from Fed-haters all the time. They
are dead serious about it. I was joking, but I think I actually had a
better case than the Fed-haters ever had about the draws.




   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:59:22
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote in message
news:155cn412qg5vb0m4a788b8dqfbki857red@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:39 -0800 (PST), Arancione@selin.com wrote:
>
>>On Jan 20, 8:38 am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>>> was a bit suspicious.
>>>
>>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>>> play a few games.
>>>
>>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>>> do something.
>>>
>>> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
>>> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>>hahahahah, a delusional fedfucker complaining about fixed draws!
>
> Demonstrating what we have to read from Fed-haters all the time. They
> are dead serious about it. I was joking, but I think I actually had a
> better case than the Fed-haters ever had about the draws.

not really when you examine the draws and note every decent player except
Djoker is in Nadal/Murray's half.




    
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:58:45
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:59:22 GMT, "Iceberg"
<big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay > wrote:

>"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote in message
>news:155cn412qg5vb0m4a788b8dqfbki857red@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:39 -0800 (PST), Arancione@selin.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 20, 8:38 am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>>>> was a bit suspicious.
>>>>
>>>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>>>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>>>> play a few games.
>>>>
>>>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>>>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>>>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>>>> do something.
>>>>
>>>> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
>>>> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>hahahahah, a delusional fedfucker complaining about fixed draws!
>>
>> Demonstrating what we have to read from Fed-haters all the time. They
>> are dead serious about it. I was joking, but I think I actually had a
>> better case than the Fed-haters ever had about the draws.
>
>not really when you examine the draws and note every decent player except
>Djoker is in Nadal/Murray's half.

Right. In the bottom half we have Roddick, Nalby (who is probably the
biggest threat to top 4), Del Potro, Cilic. Then some potentially
dangerous guys like Safin, Berdych, Kohlschreiber, Wawrinka. I'd like
to hear who are the decent players in top half, if none of these is a
decent player.

But of course this draw thing is just trolling. If I didn't know it
before, there was this Federer's draw at Wimbledon 2006(?) where he
played pretty much the toughest possible player in every round (except
SF) starting with Gasquet in 1st round. A total nightmare scenario.
And the Fed-haters called even that an easy draw.


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 06:21:40
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 8:38=A0am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
> was a bit suspicious.
>
> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
> play a few games.
>
> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> do something.
>
> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>
> =A0 :-)

And it continues, Safin makes me worried.


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 07:57:46
From: DNA
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 10:44=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > =A0 :-)
>
> > And it continues, Safin makes me worried
>
> Federer would have to play poorly to lose to Safin - he still hits the
> ball well but his movement is nowhere near what it was. Can still ping
> down some big serves though.
>
> He lost to Hrbaty in the Hopman Cup ...

"He lost to xyz recently" does not mean anything for MaratSafin or
DavidNalbandian.


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 07:44:36
From:
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
> > =A0 :-)
>
> And it continues, Safin makes me worried

Federer would have to play poorly to lose to Safin - he still hits the
ball well but his movement is nowhere near what it was. Can still ping
down some big serves though.

He lost to Hrbaty in the Hopman Cup ...



 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 06:10:39
From:
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 1:38=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
> was a bit suspicious.
>
> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
> play a few games.
>
> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> do something.

I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
more.

Seems pointless in taking up a position in the draw of a slam when
there are doubtless many young players who would be very keen to get a
place ...






  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 10:59:30
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 1:41=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
> >> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
> >> was a bit suspicious.
>
> >> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
> >> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
> >> play a few games.
>
> >> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> >> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> >> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> >> do something.
>
> > I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
> > months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
> > the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
> > Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
> > more.
>
> > Seems pointless in taking up a position in the draw of a slam when
> > there are doubtless many young players who would be very keen to get a
> > place ...
>
> I feel the same about Denko\Blake types.

Times reached 4th round or better in a slam, last five years
(2004-2008):
Davydenko -- 11
Blake -- 6
C. Rochus -- 0

No distinctions, clearly.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:41:04
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>> was a bit suspicious.
>>
>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>> play a few games.
>>
>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>> do something.
>
> I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
> months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
> the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
> Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
> more.
>
> Seems pointless in taking up a position in the draw of a slam when
> there are doubtless many young players who would be very keen to get a
> place ...
>
>
>
>




I feel the same about Denko\Blake types.



  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 08:21:07
From:
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
> Olivier had a very poor year, and several injuries Ibelieve even an
> operation.
> The way Christophe played and was smiling when Rafa crushed him has all to
> do with his wrong attitude.
> In several interviews when he was asked about his chances he replied non
> less than zero. Even against the best player of the world every one has a
> chance, but if you don't believe in it, you better stay at home. I was
> ashamed to be a belgian when I watched the game.
> I hope the 2 remaining belgian players Xman and Flipper give there opponents
> Roddick and Jankovic a better fight

Er, Malisse is hardly the toughest fighter on the circuit ... :-)






   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 16:31:04
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
<gregorawe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:713ea9a3-8cbe-4067-a794-84836cd6b980@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> Olivier had a very poor year, and several injuries Ibelieve even an
>> operation.
>> The way Christophe played and was smiling when Rafa crushed him has all
>> to
>> do with his wrong attitude.
>> In several interviews when he was asked about his chances he replied non
>> less than zero. Even against the best player of the world every one has a
>> chance, but if you don't believe in it, you better stay at home. I was
>> ashamed to be a belgian when I watched the game.
>> I hope the 2 remaining belgian players Xman and Flipper give there
>> opponents
>> Roddick and Jankovic a better fight
>
> Er, Malisse is hardly the toughest fighter on the circuit ... :-)

yes, whatever happened to him, disappeared after that year he did well at
Wimbledon.




  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 16:25:12
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:10:39 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>> was a bit suspicious.
>>
>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>> play a few games.
>>
>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>> do something.
>
>I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
>months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
>the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
>Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
>more.

I heard that maybe 2 or 3 or 4 years ago. That Christophe Rochus has
no motivation and is thinking about retiring. I think he is now higher
ranked than Olivier, which is surprising.


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 17:16:22
From: Tio Pedro
Subject: Re: Fixed draws

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > schreef in bericht
news:uhnbn4hfb50enph6rj9cs31rdc5vbt43n5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:10:39 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>>> was a bit suspicious.
>>>
>>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>>> play a few games.
>>>
>>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>>> do something.
>>
>>I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
>>months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
>>the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
>>Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
>>more.
>
> I heard that maybe 2 or 3 or 4 years ago. That Christophe Rochus has
> no motivation and is thinking about retiring. I think he is now higher
> ranked than Olivier, which is surprising.

Olivier had a very poor year, and several injuries Ibelieve even an
operation.
The way Christophe played and was smiling when Rafa crushed him has all to
do with his wrong attitude.
In several interviews when he was asked about his chances he replied non
less than zero. Even against the best player of the world every one has a
chance, but if you don't believe in it, you better stay at home. I was
ashamed to be a belgian when I watched the game.
I hope the 2 remaining belgian players Xman and Flipper give there opponents
Roddick and Jankovic a better fight.





    
Date: 20 Jan 2009 20:22:14
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:16:22 +0100, "Tio Pedro" <tiopedro48@gmail.com >
wrote:

>I hope the 2 remaining belgian players Xman and Flipper give there opponents
>Roddick and Jankovic a better fight.

Pretty big names as opponents though. But I don't believe much in
either Roddick or Jankovic. I'll hope to see some of Jankovic -
Flipkens.



   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 14:38:06
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:10:39 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>>> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
>>> was a bit suspicious.
>>>
>>> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
>>> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
>>> play a few games.
>>>
>>> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
>>> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
>>> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
>>> do something.
>> I thought Christophe Rochus was retiring - I read an interview a few
>> months ago with his brother and he said that he (Olivier) still had
>> the drive to keep training and try to maintain his level but that
>> Christophe had no such interest and that he didn't want to play any
>> more.
>
> I heard that maybe 2 or 3 or 4 years ago. That Christophe Rochus has
> no motivation and is thinking about retiring. I think he is now higher
> ranked than Olivier, which is surprising.

Some good challenger results for Christophe in 2008 (went from 200 to
around 80 in 2008) and an overall poor year for Olivier especially in
the slams (went from 40+ rank to outside the Top 100).

It is tough when you are old and tiny.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 05:56:34
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Fixed draws
On Jan 20, 1:38 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> I don't usually like the subject of fixed draws, but this first round
> was a bit suspicious.
>
> For Murray, they gave a guy whose back has been gone for years and who
> retired from tennis today, but wanted to go to Australian summer to
> play a few games.
>
> As for Nadal, WTF was that? I have never seen a match like that at a
> slam. Nadal hit balls to the corners left and right and Rochus watched
> and smiled. Could have even made it look a little bit like he tried to
> do something.
>
> And Federer got rankings-wise one of the toughest guys possible. One
> of the first guys outside seedings if not the first.
>
> :-)

The answer is obvious. Everyone wants Fed gone. Good riddance to him I
say.