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Date: 29 Jan 2009 01:56:34
From:
Subject: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
Fed wins first set easy.
Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.

The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
knackered like he
was in that USO final.

But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:41:21
From: Voice of Reason
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 11:24=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> > When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> > kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> > -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> > attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> > Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> > Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> > clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> > play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> > Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> > now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
> > really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
> > than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I read somewhere else that Stefanki was keen to get Roddick back to
> hitting big flat forehands again, but maybe he hasn't had time to work
> on that yet - his first priority seemd to be getting AR to lose weight
> and work on his returns.
>
> From his latest interview it seemed that Stefanki wanted Roddick to
> stay close to the baseline at all costs and not let Federer exploit
> his movement. He talked about "playing his game" and mixing things up
> - though I didn't see him following in many kick serves to Federer's
> backhand as he mentioned beforehand.
>
> However I don't think that Stefanki envisaged Roddick charging the net
> again as he has done before - Roddick seemed to be itching to try to
> come in at all times. There was no need - he was rallying fine with
> Federer from the baseline, and he could have tried to work some
> openings with a bit of patience. He didn't play badly for large
> periods of the second and third sets but undid any good work by going
> back to rash net approaches.

This is also true - he is not using his new found movement well. Even
if he doesn't resort to big serve-forehand combo - he has good enough
groundstrokes AND movement now to be able to rally with Federer from
the baseline.

He'll probably lose since Fed has better groundstrokes and movement -
but surely he'll do much better than his weak net forays. He loses
all the advantage of his movement when he goes to net - he just throws
up a decent approach at best and waits for Federer to hit or miss a
pass.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:24:54
From:
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
> What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
> really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
> than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> Joe Ramirez

I read somewhere else that Stefanki was keen to get Roddick back to
hitting big flat forehands again, but maybe he hasn't had time to work
on that yet - his first priority seemd to be getting AR to lose weight
and work on his returns.

From his latest interview it seemed that Stefanki wanted Roddick to
stay close to the baseline at all costs and not let Federer exploit
his movement. He talked about "playing his game" and mixing things up
- though I didn't see him following in many kick serves to Federer's
backhand as he mentioned beforehand.

However I don't think that Stefanki envisaged Roddick charging the net
again as he has done before - Roddick seemed to be itching to try to
come in at all times. There was no need - he was rallying fine with
Federer from the baseline, and he could have tried to work some
openings with a bit of patience. He didn't play badly for large
periods of the second and third sets but undid any good work by going
back to rash net approaches.









 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:21:38
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 7:55=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:23=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 10:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 10:05=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 29, 10:03=A0am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> > > > > On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.a=
u...
>
> > > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > > > > > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > > > > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > > > > > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be comp=
letely
> > > > > > >>>> knackered like he
> > > > > > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > > > > > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > > > > > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > > > > > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > > > > > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his vo=
lleys
> > > > > > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him.=
He may be
> > > > > > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almos=
t
> > > > > > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > > > > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for th=
e lines. He
> > > > > > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > > > > > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off =
against
> > > > > > Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volle=
y those
> > > > > > Roddick's
> > > > > > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddic=
k just does not
> > > > > > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the=
baseline but
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doin=
g to him and
> > > > > > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick ca=
n win the
> > > > > > match.
> > > > > > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whispe=
r's Sampras
> > > > > > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> > > > > This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> > > > > powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> > > > > I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - =A0I mean - he =
might
> > > > > get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but =
he
> > > > > has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single tim=
e.
>
> > > > > So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to=
get
> > > > > lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams =
like
> > > > > 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is r=
ight
> > > > > now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
> > > > game*
>
> > > > He said it with emphasis.
>
> > > > If you're right then he has the wrong coach.
>
> > > What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> > > When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> > > kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> > > -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> > > attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> > > Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> > > Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> > > clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> > > play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> > > Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> > > now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is h=
e
> > > really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches -=
-
> > > than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> > > Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I guess I just question whether his forehand ever really was that big.
> > Maybe I need to go back and watch
> > his matches from 2003, but I don't think it was ever as dangerous or
> > as good a shot as Fed's, Rafa's, Gonzo's, Verdasco's, Tsonga's, etc.
>
> That may be true, but I'm not comparing Roddick with those players.
> I'm comparing current Roddick with former Roddick. Which gameplan is
> best for him?
>
> > So expecting him to go out there and clobber a bunch of forehand
> > winners I think is unrealistic.
>
> Perhaps. But the point-construction approach -- though he has become
> better at it than once seemed likely -- hasn't paid big dividends
> either. IMO, the best Roddick has ever looked -- better even than his
> USO-winning effort -- was the first part of the 2004 Wimbledon final
> against Federer, when he just launched the biggest tennis blitzkrieg
> he could muster.
>
> Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good points Joe... one thing about the 2001-2004 Roddick was his
nerves on the second serve were steady... if he missed a second serve
he didn't care much (like a golfer who drives the first putt past the
hole confident he will almost always make the come backer) he'd just
ace the guy with the next serve... his placement isn't good enough
now... 10 years ago you could hit it 135 and just blow it bye guys,
Roddick came at the end of that return generation... then came the
hardcore base liners who could return bombs, that was partly what/why
they came to the top as counter agents to that all out power s/v
game... suddenly Roddick was playing guys who could return him at
least ONE guy at the slams and beat him... maybe he OVERREACTED to the
FEDERER EFFECT in trying to become a base lining executor of point
constructions and not a go for it power player... Tsonga is the tip of
the coming iceberg of how the Fed/Rafa gen are going to be eclipsed...
Fed has GONE BACK TO THE FUTURE and become more of an attacking
(situationally) power s/v player integrated into his all court point
construction game... Rafa has also retooled (developed) for that game
as well... it all proves that you cannot be Goran or Pete any longer,
it just is too one dimensional... Roddick is trying to get to some
kind of attacking level at net but his selections are just not good
enough, let alone his volleys... it's more the times he comes in...
Like ROGER... Nadal just COOKS Roger when he poaches/rushes... Rafa
reads Roger like a book when he comes in... that's something of a key
for a Nadal-Roger final every time they play from now on... Can Roger
select his rushes better/rush in on better shots? On clay it's
frightening how Rafa just passes Feds... Feds does the same to Roddick
on all surfaces...

P


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 18:47:18
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06

"Patrick Kehoe" <pkehoe@telus.net > wrote in message
news:4ee0083d-32f8-49a1-98c0-264ea849cbc0@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:55 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:23 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 10:15 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 10:05 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 29, 10:03 am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 29, 6:12 am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > > > > > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > > > > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > > > > > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be
> > > > > > >>>> completely
> > > > > > >>>> knackered like he
> > > > > > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > > > > > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > > > > > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > > > > > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > > > > > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his
> > > > > > >> volleys
> > > > > > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him.
> > > > > > >> He may be
> > > > > > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> > > > > > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > > > > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the
> > > > > > > lines. He
> > > > > > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > > > > > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > Federer. Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > Roddick's
> > > > > > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. Roddick
> > > > > > just does not
> > > > > > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the
> > > > > > baseline but
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing
> > > > > > to him and
> > > > > > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can
> > > > > > win the
> > > > > > match.
> > > > > > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and
> > > > > > Whisper's Sampras
> > > > > > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> > > > > This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> > > > > powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> > > > > I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - I mean - he
> > > > > might
> > > > > get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but
> > > > > he
> > > > > has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single
> > > > > time.
>
> > > > > So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to
> > > > > get
> > > > > lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams
> > > > > like
> > > > > 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is
> > > > > right
> > > > > now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
> > > > game*
>
> > > > He said it with emphasis.
>
> > > > If you're right then he has the wrong coach.
>
> > > What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> > > When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> > > kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> > > -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> > > attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> > > Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> > > Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> > > clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> > > play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> > > Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> > > now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
> > > really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
> > > than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> > > Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I guess I just question whether his forehand ever really was that big.
> > Maybe I need to go back and watch
> > his matches from 2003, but I don't think it was ever as dangerous or
> > as good a shot as Fed's, Rafa's, Gonzo's, Verdasco's, Tsonga's, etc.
>
> That may be true, but I'm not comparing Roddick with those players.
> I'm comparing current Roddick with former Roddick. Which gameplan is
> best for him?
>
> > So expecting him to go out there and clobber a bunch of forehand
> > winners I think is unrealistic.
>
> Perhaps. But the point-construction approach -- though he has become
> better at it than once seemed likely -- hasn't paid big dividends
> either. IMO, the best Roddick has ever looked -- better even than his
> USO-winning effort -- was the first part of the 2004 Wimbledon final
> against Federer, when he just launched the biggest tennis blitzkrieg
> he could muster.
>
> Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good points Joe... one thing about the 2001-2004 Roddick was his
nerves on the second serve were steady... if he missed a second serve
he didn't care much (like a golfer who drives the first putt past the
hole confident he will almost always make the come backer) he'd just
ace the guy with the next serve... his placement isn't good enough
now... 10 years ago you could hit it 135 and just blow it bye guys,
Roddick came at the end of that return generation... then came the
hardcore base liners who could return bombs, that was partly what/why
they came to the top as counter agents to that all out power s/v
game... suddenly Roddick was playing guys who could return him at
least ONE guy at the slams and beat him... maybe he OVERREACTED to the
FEDERER EFFECT in trying to become a base lining executor of point
constructions and not a go for it power player... Tsonga is the tip of
the coming iceberg of how the Fed/Rafa gen are going to be eclipsed...
Fed has GONE BACK TO THE FUTURE and become more of an attacking
(situationally) power s/v player integrated into his all court point
construction game... Rafa has also retooled (developed) for that game
as well... it all proves that you cannot be Goran or Pete any longer,
it just is too one dimensional...

***


fucking fedfucker.





   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:06:20
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
*skriptis wrote:
> "Patrick Kehoe" <pkehoe@telus.net> wrote in message
>
> Good points Joe... one thing about the 2001-2004 Roddick was his
> nerves on the second serve were steady... if he missed a second serve
> he didn't care much (like a golfer who drives the first putt past the
> hole confident he will almost always make the come backer) he'd just
> ace the guy with the next serve... his placement isn't good enough
> now... 10 years ago you could hit it 135 and just blow it bye guys,
> Roddick came at the end of that return generation... then came the
> hardcore base liners who could return bombs, that was partly what/why
> they came to the top as counter agents to that all out power s/v
> game... suddenly Roddick was playing guys who could return him at
> least ONE guy at the slams and beat him... maybe he OVERREACTED to the
> FEDERER EFFECT in trying to become a base lining executor of point
> constructions and not a go for it power player... Tsonga is the tip of
> the coming iceberg of how the Fed/Rafa gen are going to be eclipsed...
> Fed has GONE BACK TO THE FUTURE and become more of an attacking
> (situationally) power s/v player integrated into his all court point
> construction game... Rafa has also retooled (developed) for that game
> as well... it all proves that you cannot be Goran or Pete any longer,
> it just is too one dimensional...
>
> ***
>
>
> fucking fedfucker.
>


Nicely summed up.

I couldn't make head or tail what the hell he was gibbering on about,
but as he's a Fedfucker no further explanation necessary.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:55:54
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 10:23=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 10:05=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 10:03=A0am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au.=
..
>
> > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > > > > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > > > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > > > > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be comple=
tely
> > > > > >>>> knackered like he
> > > > > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > > > > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > > > > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > > > > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > > > > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his voll=
eys
> > > > > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. H=
e may be
> > > > > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> > > > > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > > > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the =
lines. He
> > > > > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > > > > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off ag=
ainst
> > > > > Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley =
those
> > > > > Roddick's
> > > > > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddick =
just does not
> > > > > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the b=
aseline but
> > > > > not
> > > > > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing =
to him and
> > > > > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can =
win the
> > > > > match.
> > > > > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper'=
s Sampras
> > > > > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> > > > This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> > > > powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> > > > I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - =A0I mean - he mi=
ght
> > > > get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
> > > > has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.
>
> > > > So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to g=
et
> > > > lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams li=
ke
> > > > 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is rig=
ht
> > > > now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
> > > game*
>
> > > He said it with emphasis.
>
> > > If you're right then he has the wrong coach.
>
> > What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> > When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> > kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> > -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> > attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> > Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> > Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> > clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> > play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> > Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> > now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
> > really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
> > than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> > Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I guess I just question whether his forehand ever really was that big.
> Maybe I need to go back and watch
> his matches from 2003, but I don't think it was ever as dangerous or
> as good a shot as Fed's, Rafa's, Gonzo's, Verdasco's, Tsonga's, etc.

That may be true, but I'm not comparing Roddick with those players.
I'm comparing current Roddick with former Roddick. Which gameplan is
best for him?

> So expecting him to go out there and clobber a bunch of forehand
> winners I think is unrealistic.

Perhaps. But the point-construction approach -- though he has become
better at it than once seemed likely -- hasn't paid big dividends
either. IMO, the best Roddick has ever looked -- better even than his
USO-winning effort -- was the first part of the 2004 Wimbledon final
against Federer, when he just launched the biggest tennis blitzkrieg
he could muster.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:23:31
From:
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 10:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:05=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 10:03=A0am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > > > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > > > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be complete=
ly
> > > > >>>> knackered like he
> > > > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > > > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > > > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > > > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > > > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volley=
s
> > > > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He =
may be
> > > > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> > > > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the li=
nes. He
> > > > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > > > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off agai=
nst
> > > > Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley th=
ose
> > > > Roddick's
> > > > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddick ju=
st does not
> > > > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the bas=
eline but
> > > > not
> > > > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to=
him and
> > > > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can wi=
n the
> > > > match.
> > > > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's =
Sampras
> > > > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> > > This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> > > powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> > > I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - =A0I mean - he migh=
t
> > > get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
> > > has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.
>
> > > So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to get
> > > lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams like
> > > 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is right
> > > now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
> > game*
>
> > He said it with emphasis.
>
> > If you're right then he has the wrong coach.
>
> What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>
> When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
> kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
> -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
> attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>
> Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
> Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
> clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
> play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
> Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
> now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
> really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
> than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>
> Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I guess I just question whether his forehand ever really was that big.
Maybe I need to go back and watch
his matches from 2003, but I don't think it was ever as dangerous or
as good a shot as Fed's, Rafa's, Gonzo's, Verdasco's, Tsonga's, etc.

So expecting him to go out there and clobber a bunch of forehand
winners I think is unrealistic.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 18:40:58
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:15 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 10:05 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 10:03 am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 29, 6:12 am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Fed wins first set easy.
>>>>>>>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
>>>>>>>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>>>>>>>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
>>>>>>>>> knackered like he
>>>>>>>>> was in that USO final.
>>>>>>>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
>>>>>>>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
>>>>>>>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>>>>>>> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
>>>>>>> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
>>>>>>> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
>>>>>>> certainly still lose.
>>>>>> He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the lines. He
>>>>>> has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>>>>> Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off against
>>>>> Federer. Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley those
>>>>> Roddick's
>>>>> ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. Roddick just does not
>>>>> have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the baseline but
>>>>> not
>>>>> some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to him and
>>>>> that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can win the
>>>>> match.
>>>>> The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's Sampras
>>>>> on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>>>> This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
>>>> powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>>>> I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - I mean - he might
>>>> get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
>>>> has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.
>>>> So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to get
>>>> lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams like
>>>> 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is right
>>>> now.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
>>> game*
>>> He said it with emphasis.
>>> If you're right then he has the wrong coach.
>> What exactly *is* Roddick's game?
>>
>> When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
>> kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
>> -- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
>> attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.
>>
>> Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
>> Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
>> clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
>> play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
>> Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
>> now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
>> really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
>> than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?
>>
>> Joe Ramirez- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I guess I just question whether his forehand ever really was that big.
> Maybe I need to go back and watch
> his matches from 2003, but I don't think it was ever as dangerous or
> as good a shot as Fed's, Rafa's, Gonzo's, Verdasco's, Tsonga's, etc.
>
> So expecting him to go out there and clobber a bunch of forehand
> winners I think is unrealistic.

Especially since he contacts the ball on its downward trajectory almost
all the time. Those are precious moments of time between when Federer
contacts the ball and when Roddick contacts the ball.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:15:13
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 10:05=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:03=A0am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> > > >>>> knackered like he
> > > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> > > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He ma=
y be
> > > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> > > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the line=
s. He
> > > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off agains=
t
> > > Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley thos=
e
> > > Roddick's
> > > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddick just=
does not
> > > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the basel=
ine but
> > > not
> > > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to h=
im and
> > > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can win =
the
> > > match.
> > > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's Sa=
mpras
> > > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> > This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> > powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> > I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - =A0I mean - he might
> > get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
> > has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.
>
> > So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to get
> > lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams like
> > 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is right
> > now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
> game*
>
> He said it with emphasis.
>
> If you're right then he has the wrong coach.

What exactly *is* Roddick's game?

When he won his U.S. Open, his game was this: huge serve + forehand
kill shot. That approach exploited his one obvious strength -- power
-- and didn't require him to run too much, or volley too much, or
attempt spins and angles with which he was not comfortable.

Soon thereafter, apparently in an attempt to cope with Federer,
Roddick's game became huge serve + steady baseline play and frequent
clumsy net forays. Then it became huge serve + all-around baseline
play, with the net an afterthought. I'd say that's where it is today.
Granted, he's better at running after the loss of weight, and he does
now command some spins and angles that were missing in 2003, but is he
really winning more matches -- and more important: more big matches --
than with the old huge serve + forehand kill?

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:05:10
From:
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 10:03=A0am, Voice of Reason <sasidha...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > > Wayne wrote:
> > >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> > >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> > >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> > >>>> knackered like he
> > >>>> was in that USO final.
> > >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> > >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> > >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> > >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may =
be
> > >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> > >> certainly still lose.
>
> > > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the lines.=
He
> > > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> > Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off against
> > Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley those
> > Roddick's
> > ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddick just d=
oes not
> > have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the baselin=
e but
> > not
> > some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to him=
and
> > that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can win th=
e
> > match.
> > The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's Samp=
ras
> > on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
> This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
> powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.
>
> I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - =A0I mean - he might
> get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
> has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.
>
> So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to get
> lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams like
> 6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is right
> now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, Stefanki said in an interview that Roddick has to *play his
game*

He said it with emphasis.

If you're right then he has the wrong coach.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:03:04
From: Voice of Reason
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
>
> > Wayne wrote:
> >> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>> Fed wins first set easy.
> >>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> >>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> >>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> >>>> knackered like he
> >>>> was in that USO final.
> >>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> >>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> >>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> >> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> >> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
> >> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> >> certainly still lose.
>
> > He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the lines. H=
e
> > has even poorer net skills than Roger.
>
> Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off against
> Federer. =A0Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley those
> Roddick's
> ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. =A0Roddick just doe=
s not
> have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the baseline =
but
> not
> some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to him a=
nd
> that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can win the
> match.
> The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's Sampra=
s
> on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>
>

This is true - I don't understand why Roddick doesn't get flat
powerful shots - one's that are low percentage shots.

I think it's his consistent game that hurts him - I mean - he might
get to SFs and QFs with this game that beats everyone else - but he
has to realise now that he is getting outclassed every single time.

So, why doesn't he swing for the fences everytime - he's bound to get
lucky and have them fall in one time - he's met Federer in slams like
6 times - even with rotten luck he might fare better than he is right
now.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:15:16
From: Carey
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06


Wayne wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 4:56=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Fed wins first set easy.
> > > Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
> >
> > > The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> > > knackered like he
> > > was in that USO final.
> >
> > > But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
> >
> > And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> certainly still lose.

Fed knows all he has to do is dip the FH pass a bit and
Roddick will miss the volley, with that closed grip
of his. That won't be changin'...


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:11:45
From:
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 5:07=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29, 4:56=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Fed wins first set easy.
> > > Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > > If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>
> > > The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> > > knackered like he
> > > was in that USO final.
>
> > > But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
>
> > And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> > Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> certainly still lose.

Agreed. I thought that's what the strategy was early on. Unless he had
no choice but
to go to the net because Fed drew him in.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:07:37
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:56=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Fed wins first set easy.
> > Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> > If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>
> > The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> > knackered like he
> > was in that USO final.
>
> > But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
>
> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.

This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
certainly still lose.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:27:27
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
Wayne wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fed wins first set easy.
>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
>>> knackered like he
>>> was in that USO final.
>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>
> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
> certainly still lose.


He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the lines.
He has even poorer net skills than Roger.



   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 22:12:34
From: john
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:49818494$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Wayne wrote:
>> On 29 Jan, 09:59, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 29, 4:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fed wins first set easy.
>>>> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
>>>> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>>>> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
>>>> knackered like he
>>>> was in that USO final.
>>>> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.
>>> And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
>>> Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.
>>
>> This net rushing strategy isn't working for Roddick - his volleys
>> aren't strong enough and it is too easy for Fed to pass him. He may be
>> better off just staying at the baseline, although he'd almost
>> certainly still lose.
>
>
> He would be much better off at the baseline & cracking for the lines. He
> has even poorer net skills than Roger.

Now we know even at baseline he was not going to be better off against
Federer. Federer simply stand on the baseline and half volley those
Roddick's
ground shots back and robbing him of time to recover. Roddick just does not
have the skill necessary to stay toe to toe with Federer on the baseline but
not
some 1-2 meters behind baseline and doing what Federer was doing to him and
that plus serving big was probably the only way that Roddick can win the
match.
The skill difference between now 13 time slam winner and Whisper's Sampras
on steroid and potential 12 slam winner is huge.
>




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:02:20
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:56:34 -0800 (PST), jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com
wrote:

>Fed wins first set easy.
>Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
>If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>
>The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
>knackered like he
>was in that USO final.
>
>But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.


as usual .... he didn't. maybe he needs more steroids ?


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 01:59:43
From:
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
On Jan 29, 4:56=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Fed wins first set easy.
> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>
> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> knackered like he
> was in that USO final.
>
> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.

And then he goes and drops his serve as love.
Stefanki's probably in the bathroom pulling his hair out.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:59:15
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: For me, this match is shaping up a lot like USO 06
<jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:28ab1559-4337-49b0-ab59-0fd1760fac2e@m4g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Fed wins first set easy.
> Andy's in there with a good chance to win the 2nd set.
> If he can pull it off, the 3rd will be close, imo.
>
> The big difference is that if it goes 4 Andy won't be completely
> knackered like he
> was in that USO final.
>
> But's he's got to pull out this 2nd set.


He's down a break, Fed to serve for the set.