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Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:27:42
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!

As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
be shamed bigtime.

From The Sunday Times
January 4, 2009

Game must call time on ball-bouncing wasters
Nadal and Djokovic are threatening the future of the sport by driving
away a generation of new fans

Pat Cash

All the signs suggest the very peak of elite male tennis is going to
be astounding in 2009. When was the last time a new year dawned with
such a sense of expectancy surrounding the four main contenders? If
things go to plan, more and more people will watch tennis. But with
added exposure comes a need to get everything in order and the four
big names must do their bit. I just hope that two of them realise
their responsibilities, make a few simple modifications and therefore
avoid shooting the game in the foot at a time when more floating
spectators are being drawn to tennis.

Who am I pointing my finger at? Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. What
am I accusing them of doing? Basic stalling that is beginning to get
on the nerves of everybody who watches and plays the game. They
habitually hold up the action by bouncing the ball far too many times
before serving. Not only does this practice show contempt for the guy
waiting to receive at the other end of the court, but quite frankly,
it bores the pants off the fans. Itís wrong and itís about time
serious action was taken to stop it.

Letís study Nadal first. He makes a mockery of the rule in Grand Slam
and Davis Cup tennis that states there should be no more than 20
seconds between the end of one point and the ball being served for the
next. He calls for his towel, then fiddles with his underpants in that
less-than-becoming manner, which has become his trademark. Finally, he
steadies himself, gathers his focus and then sets out to bounce the
ball about 15 times before getting it into play.

Djokovic can be even worse. Admittedly, he does not feel the need to
rearrange his underwear for every point, but then his ball bouncing
can become almost interminable. Those who have either the patience or
the willpower have counted up to 25. Then, bizarrely, when the moment
comes to serve, his action is very quick, which means that the
opponent is almost taken by surprise.

Can we call this cheating? Certainly it contravenes the rules of the
game. The fact that somebody as impeccably mannered as, say, Roger
Federer regularly gets a little bit peeved underlines the need for
this issue to be addressed. Are Nadal and Djokovic playing on the fact
that umpires are not going to take hard-line action and therefore
using the knowledge to give themselves an unfair advantage? The answer
is irrefutably yes.

Stalling, of course, is nothing new. I can remember my early days on
the tour and an American college player called Mark Dickson who came
on the circuit and nearly sent us all to sleep by bouncing the ball
40-odd times before unleashing a ripper serve. There was another
called Lloyd Bourne who was a college mate of the king of stalling,
John McEnroe. Mac did not resort to ball bouncing. He simply used to
stall the game by arguing with the umpire and even calling for the
referee or supervisor.

I cast my mind back to the last time we played each other in a big
match in the second round at Wimbledon in 1992, which he would
eventually win after five sets. During the third set tie-breaker we
were sometimes going three minutes between points as he was forever
changing his racket.

Then there was the infamous Jimmy Connors shoelace routine, while
Argentinian Guillermo Vilas worked out several tricks that didnít just
give himself a breather after a long point, but also played on his
opponentís concentration.

And I was no angel. I stalled with the best of them. The guy whose
psyche I knew was best disturbed by a little gamesmanship, such as
suddenly halting play because somebody was supposedly moving in the
stands, was Ivan Lendl.

Why do people stall on serve? The answer is simple. The receiver is
left wondering: ďWhatís going on? Will he hit the serve after five
bounces, nine, or 15?Ē This means that the receiverís concentration is
constantly wavering and a player who doubts is often a player who
loses. Trying to figure out when a multiple-bouncing server will
finally begin his motion and hit the ball is like sprinters on the
starting line attempting to anticipate the starterís pistol.

So what can be done? For a start, the alphabet soup of tennis
administration should unify the rule. As Iíve said, itís 20 seconds in
Grand Slams, Davis Cup and on the womenís tour, but on the ATP tour it
is 25 seconds, so immediately players have a loophole. Often both
Nadal and Djokovic are hit with warnings for slow play but nothing
ever gets taken any further.

There is an automatic timer and the computers that all umpires have in
the chair tells them when the server is taking too long but Iíd like
to see a clock in the corner of the court and a buzzer going off when
the 20 or 25 seconds has elapsed.

I played in a Turbo Tennis exhibition event alongside Nadal in
Zaragoza a couple of years ago and he was buzzed almost immediately.
Rafa was, of course, the main attraction and who knows what would have
happened if he had been disqualified. However, he knew that any more
stalling could get him disqualified, so he quickened up. Surely this
proves such things can work.

There are plenty of other rules that need examining. The let rule on
serve for one, players abusing on-court treatment another. But two of
the sportís biggest names are doing the game no favours. Just a little
bit of firmer officialdom is the simple answer.




 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 23:43:30
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
Expected better from Cash...

On Jan 5, 1:27=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
> to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
> be shamed bigtime.
>
> From The Sunday Times
> January 4, 2009
>
> Game must call time on ball-bouncing wasters
> Nadal and Djokovic are threatening the future of the sport by driving
> away a generation of new fans
>
> Pat Cash
>
> All the signs suggest the very peak of elite male tennis is going to
> be astounding in 2009. When was the last time a new year dawned with
> such a sense of expectancy surrounding the four main contenders? If
> things go to plan, more and more people will watch tennis. But with
> added exposure comes a need to get everything in order and the four
> big names must do their bit. I just hope that two of them realise
> their responsibilities, make a few simple modifications and therefore
> avoid shooting the game in the foot at a time when more floating
> spectators are being drawn to tennis.
>
> Who am I pointing my finger at? Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. What
> am I accusing them of doing? Basic stalling that is beginning to get
> on the nerves of everybody who watches and plays the game. They
> habitually hold up the action by bouncing the ball far too many times
> before serving. Not only does this practice show contempt for the guy
> waiting to receive at the other end of the court, but quite frankly,
> it bores the pants off the fans. It=92s wrong and it=92s about time
> serious action was taken to stop it.
>
> Let=92s study Nadal first. He makes a mockery of the rule in Grand Slam
> and Davis Cup tennis that states there should be no more than 20
> seconds between the end of one point and the ball being served for the
> next. He calls for his towel, then fiddles with his underpants in that
> less-than-becoming manner, which has become his trademark. Finally, he
> steadies himself, gathers his focus and then sets out to bounce the
> ball about 15 times before getting it into play.
>
> Djokovic can be even worse. Admittedly, he does not feel the need to
> rearrange his underwear for every point, but then his ball bouncing
> can become almost interminable. Those who have either the patience or
> the willpower have counted up to 25. Then, bizarrely, when the moment
> comes to serve, his action is very quick, which means that the
> opponent is almost taken by surprise.
>
> Can we call this cheating? Certainly it contravenes the rules of the
> game. The fact that somebody as impeccably mannered as, say, Roger
> Federer regularly gets a little bit peeved underlines the need for
> this issue to be addressed. Are Nadal and Djokovic playing on the fact
> that umpires are not going to take hard-line action and therefore
> using the knowledge to give themselves an unfair advantage? The answer
> is irrefutably yes.
>
> Stalling, of course, is nothing new. I can remember my early days on
> the tour and an American college player called Mark Dickson who came
> on the circuit and nearly sent us all to sleep by bouncing the ball
> 40-odd times before unleashing a ripper serve. There was another
> called Lloyd Bourne who was a college mate of the king of stalling,
> John McEnroe. Mac did not resort to ball bouncing. He simply used to
> stall the game by arguing with the umpire and even calling for the
> referee or supervisor.
>
> I cast my mind back to the last time we played each other in a big
> match in the second round at Wimbledon in 1992, which he would
> eventually win after five sets. During the third set tie-breaker we
> were sometimes going three minutes between points as he was forever
> changing his racket.
>
> Then there was the infamous Jimmy Connors shoelace routine, while
> Argentinian Guillermo Vilas worked out several tricks that didn=92t just
> give himself a breather after a long point, but also played on his
> opponent=92s concentration.
>
> And I was no angel. I stalled with the best of them. The guy whose
> psyche I knew was best disturbed by a little gamesmanship, such as
> suddenly halting play because somebody was supposedly moving in the
> stands, was Ivan Lendl.
>
> Why do people stall on serve? The answer is simple. The receiver is
> left wondering: =93What=92s going on? Will he hit the serve after five
> bounces, nine, or 15?=94 This means that the receiver=92s concentration i=
s
> constantly wavering and a player who doubts is often a player who
> loses. Trying to figure out when a multiple-bouncing server will
> finally begin his motion and hit the ball is like sprinters on the
> starting line attempting to anticipate the starter=92s pistol.
>
> So what can be done? For a start, the alphabet soup of tennis
> administration should unify the rule. As I=92ve said, it=92s 20 seconds i=
n
> Grand Slams, Davis Cup and on the women=92s tour, but on the ATP tour it
> is 25 seconds, so immediately players have a loophole. Often both
> Nadal and Djokovic are hit with warnings for slow play but nothing
> ever gets taken any further.
>
> There is an automatic timer and the computers that all umpires have in
> the chair tells them when the server is taking too long but I=92d like
> to see a clock in the corner of the court and a buzzer going off when
> the 20 or 25 seconds has elapsed.
>
> I played in a Turbo Tennis exhibition event alongside Nadal in
> Zaragoza a couple of years ago and he was buzzed almost immediately.
> Rafa was, of course, the main attraction and who knows what would have
> happened if he had been disqualified. However, he knew that any more
> stalling could get him disqualified, so he quickened up. Surely this
> proves such things can work.
>
> There are plenty of other rules that need examining. The let rule on
> serve for one, players abusing on-court treatment another. But two of
> the sport=92s biggest names are doing the game no favours. Just a little
> bit of firmer officialdom is the simple answer.



  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:27:36
From:
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
In article
<41d7e475-8c77-4888-b11d-6399ebbc490c@17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com >,
TurnagainArm@hotmail.com (Fan) wrote:

>
> Expected better from Cash...

Then you can't have read many of his other articles...

wg


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 03:51:56
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article
><41d7e475-8c77-4888-b11d-6399ebbc490c@17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
>TurnagainArm@hotmail.com (Fan) wrote:
>
>>
>> Expected better from Cash...
>
>Then you can't have read many of his other articles...
>
>wg


When you deliberately break the rules over and over and over again it
IS cheating whether the umpire calls it or not. Basically it means the
umpire is complicit in cheating and aiding one player at the expense
of the other. This is wrong and bad for the sport so Cash is right.


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:27:31
From: John P
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
so true (about Cash), Wendy. LOL!



    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 03:50:00
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:27:31 -0500, JTPDC@webtv.net (John P) wrote:

>so true (about Cash), Wendy. LOL!


Nadal cheats. That is FACT.


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 02:14:51
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Jan 5, 10:55=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Fan wrote:
> > Nadal is not a cheater and it is wrong to run down an opponent who
> > beats your favorite.
> > If the rules need tightening, ATP should do it.
>
> The rules don't need tightening. They just need to be enforced.
>
> > I agree that the game
> > is too sloppy at times, taking too much time between serves and taking
> > too many medical time outs. With a referee in charge of the game, it
> > is ludicrous to call any player cheater.
>
> Yes. It's not up to him to time himself. That's the umpire's job. Of cour=
se
> he'll do what they let him get away with.

I recall that when they called Nadal on taking too much time he looked
surprised but not annoyed. Nadal and Djokovic may not realize that
they are taking too much time but if the umpire's were not so gutless,
they would soon learn to play within the time constraints.

The only "cheater" or intentional abuser of rules was Mary Pierce and
she admitted that she was doing just what the rules allowed. It was
especially embarrassing with all her praying and piousness on court.


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 01:41:12
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
Nadal is not a cheater and it is wrong to run down an opponent who
beats your favorite.
If the rules need tightening, ATP should do it. I agree that the game
is too sloppy at times, taking too much time between serves and taking
too many medical time outs. With a referee in charge of the game, it
is ludicrous to call any player cheater.

On Jan 5, 10:21=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> What you expected him to LIE ?
>
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:43:30 -0800 (PST), Fan
>
>
>
> <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Expected better from Cash...


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:55:29
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
Fan wrote:
> Nadal is not a cheater and it is wrong to run down an opponent who
> beats your favorite.
> If the rules need tightening, ATP should do it.

The rules don't need tightening. They just need to be enforced.

> I agree that the game
> is too sloppy at times, taking too much time between serves and taking
> too many medical time outs. With a referee in charge of the game, it
> is ludicrous to call any player cheater.

Yes. It's not up to him to time himself. That's the umpire's job. Of course
he'll do what they let him get away with.





  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 09:21:22
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!


What you expected him to LIE ?



On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:43:30 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Expected better from Cash...
>
>On Jan 5, 1:27†am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote:
>> As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
>> to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
>> be shamed bigtime.
>>
>> From The Sunday Times
>> January 4, 2009
>>
>> Game must call time on ball-bouncing wasters
>> Nadal and Djokovic are threatening the future of the sport by driving
>> away a generation of new fans
>>
>> Pat Cash
>>
>> All the signs suggest the very peak of elite male tennis is going to
>> be astounding in 2009. When was the last time a new year dawned with
>> such a sense of expectancy surrounding the four main contenders? If
>> things go to plan, more and more people will watch tennis. But with
>> added exposure comes a need to get everything in order and the four
>> big names must do their bit. I just hope that two of them realise
>> their responsibilities, make a few simple modifications and therefore
>> avoid shooting the game in the foot at a time when more floating
>> spectators are being drawn to tennis.
>>
>> Who am I pointing my finger at? Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. What
>> am I accusing them of doing? Basic stalling that is beginning to get
>> on the nerves of everybody who watches and plays the game. They
>> habitually hold up the action by bouncing the ball far too many times
>> before serving. Not only does this practice show contempt for the guy
>> waiting to receive at the other end of the court, but quite frankly,
>> it bores the pants off the fans. Itís wrong and itís about time
>> serious action was taken to stop it.
>>
>> Letís study Nadal first. He makes a mockery of the rule in Grand Slam
>> and Davis Cup tennis that states there should be no more than 20
>> seconds between the end of one point and the ball being served for the
>> next. He calls for his towel, then fiddles with his underpants in that
>> less-than-becoming manner, which has become his trademark. Finally, he
>> steadies himself, gathers his focus and then sets out to bounce the
>> ball about 15 times before getting it into play.
>>
>> Djokovic can be even worse. Admittedly, he does not feel the need to
>> rearrange his underwear for every point, but then his ball bouncing
>> can become almost interminable. Those who have either the patience or
>> the willpower have counted up to 25. Then, bizarrely, when the moment
>> comes to serve, his action is very quick, which means that the
>> opponent is almost taken by surprise.
>>
>> Can we call this cheating? Certainly it contravenes the rules of the
>> game. The fact that somebody as impeccably mannered as, say, Roger
>> Federer regularly gets a little bit peeved underlines the need for
>> this issue to be addressed. Are Nadal and Djokovic playing on the fact
>> that umpires are not going to take hard-line action and therefore
>> using the knowledge to give themselves an unfair advantage? The answer
>> is irrefutably yes.
>>
>> Stalling, of course, is nothing new. I can remember my early days on
>> the tour and an American college player called Mark Dickson who came
>> on the circuit and nearly sent us all to sleep by bouncing the ball
>> 40-odd times before unleashing a ripper serve. There was another
>> called Lloyd Bourne who was a college mate of the king of stalling,
>> John McEnroe. Mac did not resort to ball bouncing. He simply used to
>> stall the game by arguing with the umpire and even calling for the
>> referee or supervisor.
>>
>> I cast my mind back to the last time we played each other in a big
>> match in the second round at Wimbledon in 1992, which he would
>> eventually win after five sets. During the third set tie-breaker we
>> were sometimes going three minutes between points as he was forever
>> changing his racket.
>>
>> Then there was the infamous Jimmy Connors shoelace routine, while
>> Argentinian Guillermo Vilas worked out several tricks that didnít just
>> give himself a breather after a long point, but also played on his
>> opponentís concentration.
>>
>> And I was no angel. I stalled with the best of them. The guy whose
>> psyche I knew was best disturbed by a little gamesmanship, such as
>> suddenly halting play because somebody was supposedly moving in the
>> stands, was Ivan Lendl.
>>
>> Why do people stall on serve? The answer is simple. The receiver is
>> left wondering: ďWhatís going on? Will he hit the serve after five
>> bounces, nine, or 15?Ē This means that the receiverís concentration is
>> constantly wavering and a player who doubts is often a player who
>> loses. Trying to figure out when a multiple-bouncing server will
>> finally begin his motion and hit the ball is like sprinters on the
>> starting line attempting to anticipate the starterís pistol.
>>
>> So what can be done? For a start, the alphabet soup of tennis
>> administration should unify the rule. As Iíve said, itís 20 seconds in
>> Grand Slams, Davis Cup and on the womenís tour, but on the ATP tour it
>> is 25 seconds, so immediately players have a loophole. Often both
>> Nadal and Djokovic are hit with warnings for slow play but nothing
>> ever gets taken any further.
>>
>> There is an automatic timer and the computers that all umpires have in
>> the chair tells them when the server is taking too long but Iíd like
>> to see a clock in the corner of the court and a buzzer going off when
>> the 20 or 25 seconds has elapsed.
>>
>> I played in a Turbo Tennis exhibition event alongside Nadal in
>> Zaragoza a couple of years ago and he was buzzed almost immediately.
>> Rafa was, of course, the main attraction and who knows what would have
>> happened if he had been disqualified. However, he knew that any more
>> stalling could get him disqualified, so he quickened up. Surely this
>> proves such things can work.
>>
>> There are plenty of other rules that need examining. The let rule on
>> serve for one, players abusing on-court treatment another. But two of
>> the sportís biggest names are doing the game no favours. Just a little
>> bit of firmer officialdom is the simple answer.


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:40:02
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twit
whining.



  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 22:48:46
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Jan 4, 11:45=A0pm, vmw3 <v...@lycos.com > wrote:
> > > In what sense did Djokovic dominate last season?
>
> > Australian Open, Indian Wells, Masters Cup
>
> .....and Rome

By the end of the year, Murray was better. And he's now lost a handful
of times to Tsonga.

Djoke's a great player but he's far from dominating.


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 07:03:13
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:48:46 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 4, 11:45†pm, vmw3 <v...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> > > In what sense did Djokovic dominate last season?
>>
>> > Australian Open, Indian Wells, Masters Cup
>>
>> .....and Rome
>
>By the end of the year, Murray was better. And he's now lost a handful
>of times to Tsonga.
>
>Djoke's a great player but he's far from dominating.


he only dominates the serb women.


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 20:45:16
From: vmw3
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!

> > In what sense did Djokovic dominate last season?
>
> Australian Open, Indian Wells, Masters Cup

.....and Rome


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 17:57:20
From:
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Jan 4, 8:10=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:04:49 +0200, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >Stapler wrote:
> >> Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twi=
t
> >> whining.
>
> >Cash talking trash. Nothing to say.
>
> You can't sweep it under the rug anymore.
>
> Rafa is a CHEAT and the WHOLE world knows it.

Boohoo. Because of Rafa my idol Federina cant win the FO. Boohoo. I
hate you Rafa.


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 01:22:28
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!

"Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote in message
news:CFc8l.3186$BC4.1804@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twit
> whining.


In what sense did Djokovic dominate last season?



   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 03:17:47
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
"Dr. GroundAxe" <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote in message
news:ohd8l.15287$Sp5.12658@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Stapler" <d@d.com> wrote in message
> news:CFc8l.3186$BC4.1804@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twit
>> whining.
>
>
> In what sense did Djokovic dominate last season?


Australian Open, Indian Wells, Masters Cup



  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 03:04:49
From: TT
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
Stapler wrote:
> Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twit
> whining.

Cash talking trash. Nothing to say.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 01:10:05
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:04:49 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>Stapler wrote:
>> Haha, only because Nadal and Nole are dominating right now is this twit
>> whining.
>
>Cash talking trash. Nothing to say.


You can't sweep it under the rug anymore.

Rafa is a CHEAT and the WHOLE world knows it.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:39:29
From:
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Jan 5, 12:27=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
> to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
> be shamed bigtime.

I don't think Cash ever made it to #1 ...





  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:02:17
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 5, 12:27 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
>> to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
>> be shamed bigtime.
>
> I don't think Cash ever made it to #1 ...
>
>
>



No.4





  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 17:58:50
From:
Subject: Re: Former #1 calls NADAL out as a CHEATER !!!!!!!!
On Jan 4, 7:39=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 5, 12:27=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As usual, Hazelwood is always ahead of the curve. This is only going
> > to gain more and more legs until something is done about it. Rafa will
> > be shamed bigtime.
>
> I don't think Cash ever made it to #1 ...

Cash is a junkie and an alcoholic. His opinion is worth squat. He was
probably high on something when he made those statements.