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Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:00:59
From: Iceberg
Subject: God Save The Queen
Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguration!
good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth really :)






 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 06:27:11
From: guyana
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 2:32=A0pm, Bill Willis <Billw28...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:00=A0pm, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
> > Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguratio=
n!
> > good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth reall=
y :)
>
> It is interesting to note that the final line of the last verse of My
> Country Tis of Thee is instead of "God Save the King (or Queen)" is
> "Great God our King" =A0:)
>
> Bill

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/9123a2f3=
132328c2#


 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 06:25:38
From: topspin
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On 21 Jan, 14:03, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:04:42 -0800 (PST), topspin
>
>
>
> <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 20 Jan, 19:23, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >> >> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> >>> Iceberg wrote:
> >> >>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >> >>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of th=
e
> >> >>>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> >> >>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave=
?
>
> >> >>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> >> >>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> >> >> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> >> >> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> >> >> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gift=
s"
> >> >> melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It'=
s
> >> >> almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
> >> >> such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> >> >I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too.=
It just
> >> >seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentar=
y that it
> >> >was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on w=
ith it".
> >> >But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's dif=
ferent.
>
> >> I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> >> said it was made for this occasion.
>
> >> (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> >> yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> >> 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> >> Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> >> bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> >> country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> >> make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> >> freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>
> >I think every country has its own myths about what makes it special,
> >even Finland (For Finland I suspect they probably have to do with ski-
> >jumping, javelin throwing, running or skiing long distances,
> >tolerating harsh winters, living in an empty landscape, living with
> >the Russian bear, or drinking. You can enlighten the rest of us what
> >they are!).
>
> All that, and freedom and democracy =A0:-)
>
> When you get independent from Russia, and fight wars against Russia to
> keep your independence, that becomes the big myth. That's the world
> view I learnt when I started to understand things in late 70's or
> probably really in the 80's. That we should be very thankful we are
> not part of Eastern Europe, but we have freedom and democracy. But
> that was a feeling of belonging to the part of the world that has
> them. The way Americans make it sound freedom and democracy are
> something that only exists in USA, I just don't like it. Maybe it
> doesn't sound like that to others.

It probably does, but...

Americans (and others?) tend to get pissed off with European countries
who appear to think they have a stranglehold on refined culture
The French (and others) get annoyed with the Brits who think they do
ceremony better than anyone else. And football. And parliament. And...
Canadians with Americans. Just because they hear them. All the
time....
New Zealanders with Australians. Same reason...
Germany's neighbours.
Chileans and Argentines and Brazilians. Because....well they will tell
you (Argentines think they have the culture, Brazilians think they
have the rhythm. Chileans have the organisation.)


and so on. The main problem is when you hear each country's bombast!

So...

Ignorance, silence, and deafness is bliss, and makes for good
neighbours and friends.

:-)


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 15:05:01
From: guyana
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 5:52=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Joe Ramirez" <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote in message
> >news:19355c2d-1826-4a39-9b1c-c3a6a4593e52@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Jan 20, 4:08 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> > > Sakari Lund wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > > >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> > > >>>> Iceberg wrote:
> > > >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> > > >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of =
the
> > > >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> > > >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his gra=
ve?
>
> > > >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. Th=
ey
> > > >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> > > >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> > > >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> > > >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
> > > >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
> > > >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears a=
ll
> > > >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> > > >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
> > > >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from t=
he
> > > >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyon=
e
> > > >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
> > > >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>
> > > > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> > > > said it was made for this occasion.
>
> > > > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> > > > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was ab=
out
> > > > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> > > > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that alwa=
ys
> > > > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in t=
his
> > > > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they reall=
y
> > > > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> > > > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>
> > > I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and democra=
cy.
>
> > > They
> > > make more of it than other countries.
>
> > The United States really has no national identity apart from our
> > ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
> > ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
> > ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
> > achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
> > was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
> > state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
> > essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
> > and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.
>
> > So he was right?
> >http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/33836
>
> Boy, this nut sounds like some people in RST. =A0I like the following
> sections:
>
> Q: We are clear about the world leaders. But let's go back to the USA. Wh=
at
> makes you believe in the possible division of the country?
>
> A: There are a number of reasons. First, the financial problems of the US=
A
> will increase. Millions of citizens have already lost their savings. Pric=
es
> and unemployment keep growing. General Motors and Ford are on the verge o=
f
> collapse which means that entire towns will end up unemployed. The govern=
ors
> are now harshly demanding money from the federal center. Complaints are
> growing. They've been restrained so far by the presidential election and =
by
> hope that Obama could perform a miracle. However, by spring it will becom=
e
> clear that a miracle will not happen.
>
> The second factor is the vulnerability of the political mechanism in the
> USA. There is no uniform legislation on the territory of the country. The=
re
> aren't even general uniform traffic rules. The skeleton which keeps the U=
SA
> together is fragile. Even the armed forces in Iraq are represented by the
> non-citizens of the United States to a large extent. They fight for the
> promise of American citizenship. Thus the army, as a melting pot has stop=
ped
> fulfilling a consolidating function for the American state. And finally, =
the
> split of the elite has made itself especially clear under the conditions =
of
> the crisis.
>
> Q: How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south. Wha=
t
> else?
>
> A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean coa=
st
> of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco=92s populatio=
n is
> Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its
> capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the USA=
.
> It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced =
by
> China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some
> areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas
> which has been openly fighting for independence. The Atlantic coast has a
> totally different ethnos and mentality. It could be split into two parts =
as
> well. And we are left with two central depressive areas. May I remind you
> that five central states where the Indians live had announced their
> independence. It was perceived as a joke or a kind of a political show. B=
ut
> the fact remains the same. Canada is making a strong influence in the Nor=
th.
> By the way, Russia may require returning Alaska, as it had been rented ou=
t=85
>
> ...."Returning" Alaska, eh?

what are you smoking douche bag??


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 23:16:37
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

On 20-Jan-2009, guyana <guyanpersad@yahoo.com > wrote:

> what are you smoking douche bag??

No I'm not, can you even smoke a douche bag? :) At any rate, you didn't
disappoint.... you probably hold the record for the most 1-sentence posts
here. The question is, could you add another sentence some day or is this
the limit of your intellect?


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 15:04:42
From: topspin
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On 20 Jan, 19:23, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>> Iceberg wrote:
> >>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> >>>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> >>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> >>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> >>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> >> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> >> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> >> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
> >> melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
> >> almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
> >> such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> >I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too. It just
> >seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentary that it
> >was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on with it".
> >But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>
> I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> said it was made for this occasion.
>
> (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.

I think every country has its own myths about what makes it special,
even Finland (For Finland I suspect they probably have to do with ski-
jumping, javelin throwing, running or skiing long distances,
tolerating harsh winters, living in an empty landscape, living with
the Russian bear, or drinking. You can enlighten the rest of us what
they are!).

The thing about America is that the world's media keeps broadcasting
their private ceremonies, so we get to hear their misapprehensions,
but no-one is really interested in the rest of us. I doubt if the
swearing in of the Finnish president was broadcast much outside
Finland. Come to think of it, was a big deal made of it in
Finland??? :-)


  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 16:03:09
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:04:42 -0800 (PST), topspin
<goolagongfan@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On 20 Jan, 19:23, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> >> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> >>> Iceberg wrote:
>> >>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>> >>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>> >>>> Commonwealth really :)
>>
>> >>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>>
>> >>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
>> >>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>>
>> >> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
>> >> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
>> >> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
>> >> melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
>> >> almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
>> >> such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>>
>> >I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too. It just
>> >seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentary that it
>> >was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on with it".
>> >But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>>
>> I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
>> said it was made for this occasion.
>>
>> (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
>> yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
>> 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>>
>> Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
>> bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
>> country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
>> make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
>> freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>
>I think every country has its own myths about what makes it special,
>even Finland (For Finland I suspect they probably have to do with ski-
>jumping, javelin throwing, running or skiing long distances,
>tolerating harsh winters, living in an empty landscape, living with
>the Russian bear, or drinking. You can enlighten the rest of us what
>they are!).

All that, and freedom and democracy :-)

When you get independent from Russia, and fight wars against Russia to
keep your independence, that becomes the big myth. That's the world
view I learnt when I started to understand things in late 70's or
probably really in the 80's. That we should be very thankful we are
not part of Eastern Europe, but we have freedom and democracy. But
that was a feeling of belonging to the part of the world that has
them. The way Americans make it sound freedom and democracy are
something that only exists in USA, I just don't like it. Maybe it
doesn't sound like that to others.

Of course, things have changed now. Eastern Europe is not Eastern
Europe any more.




 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 13:39:53
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 4:08=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Sakari Lund wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>> Iceberg wrote:
> >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
> >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
> >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all
> >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
> >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the
> >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone
> >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
> >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>
> > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> > said it was made for this occasion.
>
> > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>
> I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and democracy. =
They
> make more of it than other countries.

The United States really has no national identity apart from our
ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 23:34:58
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:19355c2d-1826-4a39-9b1c-c3a6a4593e52@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 20, 4:08 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Sakari Lund wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >>>> Iceberg wrote:
> >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
> >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
> >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all
> >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
> >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the
> >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone
> >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
> >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>
> > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> > said it was made for this occasion.
>
> > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>
> I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and democracy.
> They
> make more of it than other countries.

The United States really has no national identity apart from our
ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.


So he was right?
http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/33836






   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 22:52:21
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:19355c2d-1826-4a39-9b1c-c3a6a4593e52@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 20, 4:08 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> > Sakari Lund wrote:
> > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> > >>>> Iceberg wrote:
> > >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> > >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> > >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
> >
> > >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
> >
> > >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> > >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
> >
> > >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> > >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> > >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
> > >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
> > >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all
> > >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
> >
> > >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
> > >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the
> > >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone
> > >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
> > >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
> >
> > > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> > > said it was made for this occasion.
> >
> > > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> > > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> > > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
> >
> > > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> > > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> > > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> > > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> > > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
> >
> > I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and democracy.
> >
> > They
> > make more of it than other countries.
>
> The United States really has no national identity apart from our
> ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
> ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
> ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
> achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
> was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
> state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
> essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
> and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.
>
>
> So he was right?
> http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/33836

Boy, this nut sounds like some people in RST. I like the following
sections:


Q: We are clear about the world leaders. But let's go back to the USA. What
makes you believe in the possible division of the country?

A: There are a number of reasons. First, the financial problems of the USA
will increase. Millions of citizens have already lost their savings. Prices
and unemployment keep growing. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of
collapse which means that entire towns will end up unemployed. The governors
are now harshly demanding money from the federal center. Complaints are
growing. They've been restrained so far by the presidential election and by
hope that Obama could perform a miracle. However, by spring it will become
clear that a miracle will not happen.

The second factor is the vulnerability of the political mechanism in the
USA. There is no uniform legislation on the territory of the country. There
aren't even general uniform traffic rules. The skeleton which keeps the USA
together is fragile. Even the armed forces in Iraq are represented by the
non-citizens of the United States to a large extent. They fight for the
promise of American citizenship. Thus the army, as a melting pot has stopped
fulfilling a consolidating function for the American state. And finally, the
split of the elite has made itself especially clear under the conditions of
the crisis.


Q: How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south. What
else?

A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean coast
of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco’s population is
Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its
capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the USA.
It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced by
China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some
areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas
which has been openly fighting for independence. The Atlantic coast has a
totally different ethnos and mentality. It could be split into two parts as
well. And we are left with two central depressive areas. May I remind you
that five central states where the Indians live had announced their
independence. It was perceived as a joke or a kind of a political show. But
the fact remains the same. Canada is making a strong influence in the North.
By the way, Russia may require returning Alaska, as it had been rented out…


...."Returning" Alaska, eh?


    
Date: 21 Jan 2009 00:23:40
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:LAsdl.83739$H12.44716@newsfe12.iad...
>
> On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
>> news:19355c2d-1826-4a39-9b1c-c3a6a4593e52@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 20, 4:08 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> > Sakari Lund wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> > >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> > >>>> Iceberg wrote:
>> > >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>> > >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>> >
>> > >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his
>> > >>>> grave?
>> >
>> > >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
>> > >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>> >
>> > >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
>> > >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
>> > >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
>> > >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
>> > >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all
>> > >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>> >
>> > >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
>> > >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the
>> > >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone
>> > >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
>> > >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>> >
>> > > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
>> > > said it was made for this occasion.
>> >
>> > > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
>> > > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was
>> > > about
>> > > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>> >
>> > > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
>> > > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in
>> > > this
>> > > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
>> > > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
>> > > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
>> >
>> > I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and
>> > democracy.
>> >
>> > They
>> > make more of it than other countries.
>>
>> The United States really has no national identity apart from our
>> ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
>> ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
>> ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
>> achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
>> was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
>> state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
>> essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
>> and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.
>>
>>
>> So he was right?
>> http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/33836
>
> Boy, this nut sounds like some people in RST. I like the following
> sections:
>
>
> Q: We are clear about the world leaders. But let's go back to the USA.
> What
> makes you believe in the possible division of the country?
>
> A: There are a number of reasons. First, the financial problems of the USA
> will increase. Millions of citizens have already lost their savings.
> Prices
> and unemployment keep growing. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of
> collapse which means that entire towns will end up unemployed. The
> governors
> are now harshly demanding money from the federal center. Complaints are
> growing. They've been restrained so far by the presidential election and
> by
> hope that Obama could perform a miracle. However, by spring it will become
> clear that a miracle will not happen.
>
> The second factor is the vulnerability of the political mechanism in the
> USA. There is no uniform legislation on the territory of the country.
> There
> aren't even general uniform traffic rules. The skeleton which keeps the
> USA
> together is fragile. Even the armed forces in Iraq are represented by the
> non-citizens of the United States to a large extent. They fight for the
> promise of American citizenship. Thus the army, as a melting pot has
> stopped
> fulfilling a consolidating function for the American state. And finally,
> the
> split of the elite has made itself especially clear under the conditions
> of
> the crisis.
>
>
> Q: How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south. What
> else?
>
> A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean
> coast
> of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco’s population
> is
> Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its
> capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the USA.
> It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced
> by
> China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some
> areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas
> which has been openly fighting for independence. The Atlantic coast has a
> totally different ethnos and mentality. It could be split into two parts
> as
> well. And we are left with two central depressive areas. May I remind you
> that five central states where the Indians live had announced their
> independence. It was perceived as a joke or a kind of a political show.
> But
> the fact remains the same. Canada is making a strong influence in the
> North.
> By the way, Russia may require returning Alaska, as it had been rented
> out…
>
>
> ...."Returning" Alaska, eh?


That sounds quite silly, imo if anything, Alaska would become an independant
country if some break-up scenario is to happen.
But the detailes are irrelevant, he's an expert after all, I'll just point
out how some guy during the 1970s predicted USSR would collapse and he was
similary rediculed at the time.

The truth is, nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die.
So will the USA and all other countries, eventually. Die, divide, transform,
etc.
It's just matter of time, 5 or 500 or 5000 years, but it's inevitable.

Remember even Hitler didn't have the illusion his Third Reich would stood
forever, he anticipated only "1000-year Reich". :)








     
Date: 20 Jan 2009 23:35:50
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:LAsdl.83739$H12.44716@newsfe12.iad...
> >
> > On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >
> >> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> >> news:19355c2d-1826-4a39-9b1c-c3a6a4593e52@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jan 20, 4:08 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> > Sakari Lund wrote:
> >> > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >> > >>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> > >>>> Iceberg wrote:
> >> > >>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >> > >>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of
> >> > >>>>> the
> >> > >>>>> Commonwealth really :)
> >> >
> >> > >>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his
> >> > >>>> grave?
> >> >
> >> > >>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet.
> >> > >>They
> >> > >>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
> >> >
> >> > >>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> >> > >>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> >> > >>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
> >> > >>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
> >> > >>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears
> >> > >>all
> >> > >>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
> >> >
> >> > >> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
> >> > >> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from
> >> > >>the
> >> > >> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine
> >> > >>everyone
> >> > >> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
> >> > >> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
> >> >
> >> > > I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> >> > > said it was made for this occasion.
> >> >
> >> > > (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> >> > > yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was
> >> > > about
> >> > > 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
> >> >
> >> > > Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that
> >> > > always
> >> > > bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in
> >> > > this
> >> > > country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they
> >> > > really
> >> > > make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> >> > > freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.
> >> >
> >> > I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and
> >> > democracy.
> >> >
> >> > They
> >> > make more of it than other countries.
> >>
> >> The United States really has no national identity apart from our
> >> ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
> >> ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
> >> ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
> >> achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
> >> was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
> >> state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
> >> essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
> >> and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.
> >>
> >>
> >> So he was right?
> >> http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/33836
> >
> > Boy, this nut sounds like some people in RST. I like the following
> > sections:
> >
> >
> > Q: We are clear about the world leaders. But let's go back to the USA.
> > What
> > makes you believe in the possible division of the country?
> >
> > A: There are a number of reasons. First, the financial problems of the
> > USA
> > will increase. Millions of citizens have already lost their savings.
> > Prices
> > and unemployment keep growing. General Motors and Ford are on the verge
> > of
> > collapse which means that entire towns will end up unemployed. The
> > governors
> > are now harshly demanding money from the federal center. Complaints are
> > growing. They've been restrained so far by the presidential election and
> >
> > by
> > hope that Obama could perform a miracle. However, by spring it will
> > become
> > clear that a miracle will not happen.
> >
> > The second factor is the vulnerability of the political mechanism in the
> > USA. There is no uniform legislation on the territory of the country.
> > There
> > aren't even general uniform traffic rules. The skeleton which keeps the
> > USA
> > together is fragile. Even the armed forces in Iraq are represented by
> > the
> > non-citizens of the United States to a large extent. They fight for the
> > promise of American citizenship. Thus the army, as a melting pot has
> > stopped
> > fulfilling a consolidating function for the American state. And finally,
> >
> > the
> > split of the elite has made itself especially clear under the conditions
> >
> > of
> > the crisis.
> >
> >
> > Q: How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south.
> > What
> > else?
> >
> > A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean
> > coast
> > of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco’s population
> >
> > is
> > Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its
> > capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the
> > USA.
> > It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced
> >
> > by
> > China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some
> > areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes
> > Texas
> > which has been openly fighting for independence. The Atlantic coast has
> > a
> > totally different ethnos and mentality. It could be split into two parts
> >
> > as
> > well. And we are left with two central depressive areas. May I remind
> > you
> > that five central states where the Indians live had announced their
> > independence. It was perceived as a joke or a kind of a political show.
> > But
> > the fact remains the same. Canada is making a strong influence in the
> > North.
> > By the way, Russia may require returning Alaska, as it had been rented
> > out…
> >
> >
> > ...."Returning" Alaska, eh?
>
>
> That sounds quite silly, imo if anything, Alaska would become an
> independant
> country if some break-up scenario is to happen.
> But the detailes are irrelevant, he's an expert after all, I'll just
> point
> out how some guy during the 1970s predicted USSR would collapse and he was
>
> similary rediculed at the time.
>
> The truth is, nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die.
> So will the USA and all other countries, eventually. Die, divide,
> transform,
> etc.
> It's just matter of time, 5 or 500 or 5000 years, but it's inevitable.
>
> Remember even Hitler didn't have the illusion his Third Reich would stood
> forever, he anticipated only "1000-year Reich". :)

Personally, I can't see Alaska becoming an independent country, but who
knows?

This piece sounds a lot more like propaganda than expert commentary. I
don't think he has a very good understanding of the USA, and the
inaccuracies in his "facts" seem to make this pretty clear. Who in their
right mind thinks that the USA has a weak "skeleton" in part because we lack
uniform traffic laws???


      
Date: 21 Jan 2009 00:57:31
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:wdtdl.85529$H12.70898@newsfe12.iad...

> Personally, I can't see Alaska becoming an independent country, but who
> knows?


Independent or "back to Russia", independent sounds more in touch with
reality. that was my point. :)






       
Date: 21 Jan 2009 00:05:00
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

On 20-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wdtdl.85529$H12.70898@newsfe12.iad...
>
> > Personally, I can't see Alaska becoming an independent country, but who
> > knows?
>
>
> Independent or "back to Russia", independent sounds more in touch with
> reality. that was my point. :)

Yep, I agree if those are the only two choices.


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:48:09
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

On 20-Jan-2009, Joe Ramirez <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote:

>
> The United States really has no national identity apart from our
> ideals of freedom and democracy. We have no language of our own, no
> ethnic group or race of our own, no land that we have occupied since
> ancient times. We do have significant cultural and scientific
> achievements, but the bulk of them came after our modern nation-state
> was created; our culture doesn't exist apart from the contemporary
> state the way it does for many older nations. Our history is
> essentially the history of how we fought for, established, defended,
> and finally expanded freedom for ourselves. That's our national myth.
>
> Joe Ramirez

OK, but let's try not to forget the Native Americans.


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 11:32:20
From: Bill Willis
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 1:00=A0pm, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguration!
> good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth really =
:)

It is interesting to note that the final line of the last verse of My
Country Tis of Thee is instead of "God Save the King (or Queen)" is
"Great God our King" :)

Bill


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:44:51
From: MarkS
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen

"Iceberg" <big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay > wrote in message
news:vjodl.22992$Sp5.22981@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguration!
> good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth really :)


Yes, but it wasn't the Sex Pistols version.




  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:46:52
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
MarkS wrote:
> "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay> wrote in message
> news:vjodl.22992$Sp5.22981@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>> Commonwealth really :)
>
>
> Yes, but it wasn't the Sex Pistols version.

And the anthem wasn't the Hendrix version. What's up with them?





 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 10:38:37
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 1:30=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> Iceberg wrote:
> >>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> >>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> >>> Commonwealth really :)
>
> >> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> >> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
> >> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> > The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> > representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> > performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
> > melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
> > almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
> > such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too. It =
just
> seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentary th=
at it
> was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on with =
it".
> But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's differe=
nt.

The actual piece was new; the borrowed melody was old.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 10:18:56
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 1:10=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Iceberg wrote:
> > Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> > inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> > Commonwealth really :)
>
> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They didn't=
fit
> the occasion very well.

The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."

Good music fits every occasion.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Iceberg wrote:
>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>>> Commonwealth really :)
>>
>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>>
>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>
> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
> melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
> almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
> such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."

I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too. It just
seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentary that it
was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on with it".
But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's different.





   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:23:40
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>> Iceberg wrote:
>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>>>
>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>>>
>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>>
>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple Gifts"
>> melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by, Americans. It's
>> almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all over the place,
>> such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>
>I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well too. It just
>seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the CNN commentary that it
>was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone thinking, "Just get on with it".
>But if it was a known piece and beloved by Americans, then that's different.

I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
said it was made for this occasion.

(Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).

Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.





    
Date: 21 Jan 2009 08:08:59
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:30:33 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>> On Jan 20, 1:10 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>>>> Iceberg wrote:
>>>>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>>>>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>>>>> Commonwealth really :)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>>>>
>>>> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They
>>>> didn't fit the occasion very well.
>>>
>>> The quartet was excellent (in addition to doing a great job of
>>> representing "diversity" in the American sense). The piece they
>>> performed, by John Williams, incorporated the familiar "Simple
>>> Gifts" melody, which is very well known to, and beloved by,
>>> Americans. It's almost a secondary national anthem, and appears all
>>> over the place, such as in Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring."
>>
>> I'm not aware of the piece, but I thought they performed it well
>> too. It just seemed a little of place. I got the impression from the
>> CNN commentary that it was a new piece, so I could imagine everyone
>> thinking, "Just get on with it". But if it was a known piece and
>> beloved by Americans, then that's different.
>
> I thought even the master of ceremonies (or whatever that lady was)
> said it was made for this occasion.
>
> (Sorry, if this has already been covered. I have some stupid lag
> yesterday and today that I see the posts later, yesterday it was about
> 1,5 hours, today seems to be 30-60 minutes).
>
> Anyway, the only thing that bothered me is the same thing that always
> bothers me, the way Americans say "it is so great that we live in this
> country, because we have the freedom and democracy", and they really
> make it sound like it is the only country in the world that has
> freedom and democracy. This time especially the priest.

I imagine that's the result of how they got their freedom and democracy. They
make more of it than other countries.





 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:14:13
From: Blue
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
Iceberg wrote:
> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguration!
> good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth really :)
>
>



What if she messed up and sang the words too ?!


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:41:57
From: Blue
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
Blue wrote:
> Iceberg wrote:
>> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
>> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
>> Commonwealth really :)
>>
>
>
>
> What if she messed up and sang the words too ?!




http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/hawaii/flag.htm


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 10:11:21
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On Jan 20, 6:10=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Iceberg wrote:
> > Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> > inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> > Commonwealth really :)
>
> Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?
>
> I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They didn't=
fit
> the occasion very well.

yes, the fact she can't sing anymore didn't help either.


 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:10:09
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
Iceberg wrote:
> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's
> inauguration! good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the
> Commonwealth really :)

Yes, I wondered about that. Will Jefferson be turning in his grave?

I though we could have done without Franklin and the quartet. They didn't fit
the occasion very well.





 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 10:08:05
From: Ariadne
Subject: Re: God Save The Queen
On 20 Jan, 18:00, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> Nice how Aretha Franklin sang God Save The Queen at Obama's inauguration!
> good to know you yanks are still proudly part of the Commonwealth really :)

They should have played this. It's all theirs:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiB8B4XsBRk