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Date: 05 Feb 2009 23:48:31
From: Whisper
Subject: Hazelwood gives up on goats


Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
days of penile frostbite are finally over".

We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
for the red-assed baboon".

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en





 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 20:17:07
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 8:32=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 3:44 pm, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> <tennis41...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com.=
..
> >> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> >>>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> >>>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> >>>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> >>>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrie=
nd's
> >>>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert.=
"My
> >>>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> >>>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> >>>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> >>>>>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> >>>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats a=
nd
> >>>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creatur=
e
> >>>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly,=
as
> >>>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> >>>>>> P
> >>>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> >>>>> poorly lit night clubs.
> >>>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
> >>>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who w=
as
> >>>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
> >>>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on eve=
n
> >>>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this leve=
l
> >>>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
> >>>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
> >>>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> >>>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
> >>>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
> >>>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> >>>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believ=
e
> >>>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'l=
l
> >>>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
> >>>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> >>>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> >>>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> >>>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> >>>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> >>>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, =
he
> >>>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly =
as
> >>>> he did... call it being 22-23???
> >>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> >>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not kno=
wn
> >>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
> >>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> >>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> >>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, th=
ey
> >>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
> >>>> P
> >>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he=
'd
> >>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> >>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> >>> your bacon - you disgust me.
> >>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player w=
ith
> >>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
> >>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> >>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64),=
&
> >>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> >>> McEnroe's level).
> >>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> >>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> >>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
> >> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
> >> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>
> >> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek ha=
d some
> >> injury
> >> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Let me put into perspective - a 29 year old, tier-2 level Tim Henman
> > had beaten Federer well after Fed won the Wimbledon and later became
> > #1. The same 29 year old guy had a winning record of 7-1 over Fed till
> > his decline began. You don't need to look much farther to determine
> > how peak Fed would fare against tier-1 players from the previous
> > generation at their peak. Leave Sampras aside for a moment, I'm not
> > sure peak Fed would have a winning record over peak Becker, Edberg,
> > Stich, Lendl and Agassi.
>
> Correct - this is the view most seasoned tennis fans (including Bud
> Colins) have because it's the reality.

Not seasoned -- marinated.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 14:50:49
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 5:09=A0pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 3:44=A0pm, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <tennis41...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > > > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> > > >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly an=
d
> > > >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> > > >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> > > >>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfri=
end's
> > > >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert=
. "My
> > > >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> > > >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> > > >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> > > >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> > > >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats =
and
> > > >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creatu=
re
> > > >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly=
, as
> > > >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> > > >>> P
> > > >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women i=
n
> > > >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> > > >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> > > >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who =
was
> > > >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> > > >> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on ev=
en
> > > >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this lev=
el
> > > >> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him int=
o
> > > >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> > > >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> > > >> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> > > >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > > > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > > > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people belie=
ve
> > > > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'=
ll
> > > > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > > > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > > > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and go=
t
> > > > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > > > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level gu=
y
> > > > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > > > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after,=
he
> > > > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly=
as
> > > > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > > > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/se=
t
> > > > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not kn=
own
> > > > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > > > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > > > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports a=
s
> > > > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, t=
hey
> > > > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > > > P
>
> > > You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he=
'd
> > > taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> > > know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> > > your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> > > Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player w=
ith
> > > no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
> > > by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> > > kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64),=
&
> > > has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> > > McEnroe's level).
>
> > > You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> > > complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> > > the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
> > after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
> > downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>
> > Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had=
some
> > injury
> > that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Let me put into perspective - a 29 year old, tier-2 level Tim Henman
> had beaten Federer well after Fed won the Wimbledon and later became
> #1. The same 29 year old guy had a winning record of 7-1 over Fed till
> his decline began. You don't need to look much farther to determine
> how peak Fed would fare against tier-1 players from the previous
> generation at their peak.

Nice bit of reasoning there. How about this: Agassi was 3-0 against
Krajicek on grass, including two wins at Wimbledon, both in straight
sets. Krajicek hammered Sampras in straights at Wimbledon. Therefore
Agassi must have easily won the 1999 Wimbledon final. Good for him to
finally get that big win over Pete!

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 14:09:43
From:
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 3:44=A0pm, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> <tennis41...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> > >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> > >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> > >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> > >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> > >>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrien=
d's
> > >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. =
"My
> > >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> > >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> > >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> > >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> > >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats an=
d
> > >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> > >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, =
as
> > >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> > >>> P
> > >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> > >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> > >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> > >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who wa=
s
> > >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> > >> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
> > >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> > >> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
> > >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> > >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> > >> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> > >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> > > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> > > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> > > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> > > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, h=
e
> > > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly a=
s
> > > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> > > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not know=
n
> > > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> > > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, the=
y
> > > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > > P
>
> > You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> > taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> > know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> > your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> > Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player wit=
h
> > no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
> > by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> > kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
> > has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> > McEnroe's level).
>
> > You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> > complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> > the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>
> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had s=
ome
> injury
> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Let me put into perspective - a 29 year old, tier-2 level Tim Henman
had beaten Federer well after Fed won the Wimbledon and later became
#1. The same 29 year old guy had a winning record of 7-1 over Fed till
his decline began. You don't need to look much farther to determine
how peak Fed would fare against tier-1 players from the previous
generation at their peak. Leave Sampras aside for a moment, I'm not
sure peak Fed would have a winning record over peak Becker, Edberg,
Stich, Lendl and Agassi.


  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 12:32:34
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
tennis41ife@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 3:44 pm, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> <tennis41...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>>>>> P
>>>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>>>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>>>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>>>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>>>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>>>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>>>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>>>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>>>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>>>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>>>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>>>> he did... call it being 22-23???
>>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>>> P
>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>> McEnroe's level).
>>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
>> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
>> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>>
>> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had some
>> injury
>> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Let me put into perspective - a 29 year old, tier-2 level Tim Henman
> had beaten Federer well after Fed won the Wimbledon and later became
> #1. The same 29 year old guy had a winning record of 7-1 over Fed till
> his decline began. You don't need to look much farther to determine
> how peak Fed would fare against tier-1 players from the previous
> generation at their peak. Leave Sampras aside for a moment, I'm not
> sure peak Fed would have a winning record over peak Becker, Edberg,
> Stich, Lendl and Agassi.


Correct - this is the view most seasoned tennis fans (including Bud
Colins) have because it's the reality.



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:01:06
From:
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 5:50=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> >>>> red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrie=
nd's
> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "M=
y
> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> >>> P
> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. =A0His 6 majors looks good on eve=
n
> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> >> up for more than a couple of years. =A0Might be enough to put him into
> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> >> which may or may be =A0the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > P
>
> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> know-nothing dweeb. =A0Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. =A0He would be well beaten
> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> McEnroe's level).
>
> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But then we come back to the same thing. What value does 7543 or
achievement goat have then?

It would seem to me it's all but worthless if the guy who is second
place on your list would be *well beaten*
by 10 other guys.

Better just throw that formula in the trash and just subjectively
evaluate the players.

That way you can have

1. Sampras
2. Mac
3. Hoad
4. Gonzales
5. Laver
6. Agassi
7. Tilden
8. Vines

93. Fed


  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 11:40:36
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 5:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>> P
>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>
>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>> McEnroe's level).
>>
>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> But then we come back to the same thing. What value does 7543 or
> achievement goat have then?
>
> It would seem to me it's all but worthless if the guy who is second
> place on your list would be *well beaten*
> by 10 other guys.
>
> Better just throw that formula in the trash and just subjectively
> evaluate the players.
>
> That way you can have
>
> 1. Sampras
> 2. Mac
> 3. Hoad
> 4. Gonzales
> 5. Laver
> 6. Agassi
> 7. Tilden
> 8. Vines
>
> 93. Fed


That's tough to do because we can't know how they will match up
physically/mentally on the court - & also depends on what shot they play
at any given time. All we can do is go on results. Sure many matches
would likely have different outcome if they could be played over, but we
have to evaluate what actually happened on the court not what
shoulda/coulda happened.

The list you post above is an example of 'Ability goat' - but
unfortunately this goat title is the most tenuous of them all, for
obvious reasons.

Nothing wrong with debating 'Ability goat' title & bringing in various
bits of evidence, but it is just a fun category at the end of the day as
nothing can be proven.

Ultimately it comes down to how many & the quality mix of slams you win
in your own era - that's tangible. Nobody can say Sampras didn't win 7
Wimbledons, Fed 5 USOs in a row etc - we can 'touch' these records.










 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:00:02
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
> That is sure way to proove Samrpas wasn't that great base on Whisperian
> logic

There is no way to defend Whisper's idiotic illusions about Sampras
but Sampras had fantastic first and second serves. His second serve
was almost as good as his first serve. He also had a very good running
forehand. His volley was not that great and the only reason he did so
well at the net because of his serves. With all that, Sampras was a
total failure at the French and that is a huge minus.
Federer is only one slam behind Sampras and unless some misfortune
stops him from playing, he should break Sampras' slam record. When
Federer gets 15 slams, he will overshadow Sampras.

Until recently, it seemed impossible to even think about it but if
Nadal gets 15 slams, he will be the first player who could claim to be
the best ever tennis player without any reservations.


  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 11:32:29
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
Fan wrote:
>> That is sure way to proove Samrpas wasn't that great base on Whisperian
>> logic
>
> There is no way to defend Whisper's idiotic illusions about Sampras
> but Sampras had fantastic first and second serves. His second serve
> was almost as good as his first serve. He also had a very good running
> forehand. His volley was not that great and the only reason he did so
> well at the net because of his serves. With all that, Sampras was a
> total failure at the French and that is a huge minus.
> Federer is only one slam behind Sampras and unless some misfortune
> stops him from playing, he should break Sampras' slam record. When
> Federer gets 15 slams, he will overshadow Sampras.
>
> Until recently, it seemed impossible to even think about it but if
> Nadal gets 15 slams, he will be the first player who could claim to be
> the best ever tennis player without any reservations.


er, let's see the mix.



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:23:01
From:
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 4:50=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> >>>> red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrie=
nd's
> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "M=
y
> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> >>> P
> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. =A0His 6 majors looks good on eve=
n
> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> >> up for more than a couple of years. =A0Might be enough to put him into
> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> >> which may or may be =A0the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > P
>
> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> know-nothing dweeb. =A0Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. =A0He would be well beaten
> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> McEnroe's level).
>
> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.



  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 08:44:49
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

<tennis41ife@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> >>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> >>> P
> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> >> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> >> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > P
>
> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> McEnroe's level).
>
> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.


Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had some
injury
that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.




   
Date: 07 Feb 2009 12:30:27
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
john wrote:
>>
>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>
>
> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had some
> injury
> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.
>
>


To be honest I don't think anyone was conscious of Krajicek when he was
playing - he was like a part time player & had no presence. I guess he
beat Sampras in some tune-ups, but he never cared for those & lots of
players beat him in tune-ups because he didn't want to exert too much
effort.

I think everyone is conscious of Nadal because he's beating the shit out
of Federer in all slam finals whereas Krajicek & Sampras are 1-1 & never
met in a slam final. Only a newbie would compare the 2 situations.


   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 23:21:07
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498caf5a$0$18772$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> <tennis41ife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>> >>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first
>> >>>> girlfriend's
>> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert.
>> >>>> "My
>> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>> >>> P
>> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>>
>> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>
>> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>
>> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>> >> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>
>> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>> >> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>
>> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>
>> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>
>> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>>
>> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>
>> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>
>> > P
>>
>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>
>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>> McEnroe's level).
>>
>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>
>
> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had
> some injury
> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.


Yes, but you need to consider that Krajicek was a slam champion, Henman
wasn't.,




    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 12:47:37
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
*skriptis wrote:
> "john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:498caf5a$0$18772$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> <tennis41ife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first
>>>>>>> girlfriend's
>>>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert.
>>>>>>> "My
>>>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>>>>> P
>>>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>>>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>>>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>>>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>>>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>>>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>>>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>>>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>>>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>>>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>>>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>>>> he did... call it being 22-23???
>>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>>> P
>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>
>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>> McEnroe's level).
>>>
>>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
>> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
>> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>>
>>
>> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had
>> some injury
>> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.
>
>
> Yes, but you need to consider that Krajicek was a slam champion, Henman
> wasn't.,
>
>


John is dumber than even I thought - which is an amazing revelation for
me. He actually thinks comparing Sampras & Krajicek (never played in a
slam final & 1-1 in slam h2h) is comparable to Fed v Rafa, who played in
7 slam finals with Rafa winning 5. Both multi slam greats & No.1
players, yet he thinks it's fit to compare them to Krajicek of all
people? Most would think Agassi would be the relevant comparison but
not so for John....?

Very odd.






     
Date: 07 Feb 2009 13:57:31
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
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> *skriptis wrote:
>> "john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:498caf5a$0$18772$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> <tennis41ife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first
>>>>>>>> girlfriend's
>>>>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert.
>>>>>>>> "My
>>>>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>>>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>>>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>>>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>>>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>>>>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>>>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>>>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>>>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>>>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>>>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>>>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>>>>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>>>>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>>>>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>>>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>>>>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>>>>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>>>>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>>>>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>>>>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>>>>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>>>>> he did... call it being 22-23???
>>>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>>>> P
>>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>>
>>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player
>>>> with
>>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>>> McEnroe's level).
>>>>
>>>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>>>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>>>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
>>> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
>>> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>>>
>>>
>>> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had
>>> some injury
>>> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.
>>
>>
>> Yes, but you need to consider that Krajicek was a slam champion, Henman
>> wasn't.,
>
>
> John is dumber than even I thought - which is an amazing revelation for
> me. He actually thinks comparing Sampras & Krajicek (never played in a
> slam final & 1-1 in slam h2h) is comparable to Fed v Rafa, who played in 7
> slam finals with Rafa winning 5. Both multi slam greats & No.1 players,
> yet he thinks it's fit to compare them to Krajicek of all people? Most
> would think Agassi would be the relevant comparison but not so for
> John....?
>
> Very odd.

Certainly nobody in RST come close to be as dumb a newcastle prick name
Whisper
who told us that Roddick was someone who had 12 slam in him just because of
his serve and power. Sampras and Krajciek are the
same generation of players, anyone following the game in the last 20 years
know that
pretty well. Krajicek owned Sampras before 98 and no point ignoring it. Of
course
we all know your excuses for Samrpas losting a match and he wasn't assed
when he see
Krajicek across the net during those matches. Since you see fit to bring up
Henman that
is clearly a generation before Federer then I don't see why we should not
compare Sampras
and Krajicek.
>
>
>
>




    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 09:53:20
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote in message
news:gmiclv$jov$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
>
> "john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:498caf5a$0$18772$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> <tennis41ife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8b20f267-6c14-4c4a-8b9b-64d4b9716659@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 6, 4:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>> >>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first
>>> >>>> girlfriend's
>>> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert.
>>> >>>> "My
>>> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly,
>>> >>> as
>>> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>> >>> P
>>> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>
>>> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>
>>> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>
>>> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>> >> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>
>>> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>> >> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>
>>> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>>
>>> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>>> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>>> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>>> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>>
>>> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>>> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>>> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>>> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>>> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>>> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>>> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>>> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>>>
>>> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>>
>>> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>>
>>> > P
>>>
>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>
>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>> McEnroe's level).
>>>
>>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Well said. Heck Federer had all sorts of problems with Tim Henman even
>> after Fed won Wimbledon and became #1. It wasn't till Henman hit the
>> downward slopes that Federer could get on top of him.
>>
>>
>> Same can be said of Sampras and Krajicek, it was not until Krajicek had
>> some injury
>> that Sampras was able to make their h2h more respectable.
>
>
> Yes, but you need to consider that Krajicek was a slam champion, Henman
> wasn't.,

Yes, but? Henman had a lot of those wins before Federer established his
reign and
Sampras was ranked No.1 right in his peak and he lost 6 out 8 matches
against Krajicek.
Both Sampras and Krajicek were at their peak during those matches. Federer
and Henman
never played each other at their respective peak and that is a huge
difference. They are
not the same generation of players. It is like picking Hewitt and Sampras
then Hewitt and
Federer. Hewitt won 4 out of his 5 matches against Sampras but lost the
last 11 times.
>




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 03:50:12
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 6, 10:50=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> >>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> >>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> >>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> >>>> red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrie=
nd's
> >>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "M=
y
> >>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
> >>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> >>>> for the red-assed baboon".
> >>>>http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
> >>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> >>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> >>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> >>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
> >>> P
> >> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> >> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> >> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> >> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> >> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> >> The same will happen to young Nadal. =A0His 6 majors looks good on eve=
n
> >> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> >> up for more than a couple of years. =A0Might be enough to put him into
> >> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> >> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> >> which may or may be =A0the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> >> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> > ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> > well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> > and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> > be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> > Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> > generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> > to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> > might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> > who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> > the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> > was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> > he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> > If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> > my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> > for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> > Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> > golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> > the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> > CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> > P
>
> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> know-nothing dweeb. =A0Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. =A0He would be well beaten
> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
> McEnroe's level).
>
> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.

Yes peak agassi would destroy fed on Hcourt.
Having said that I think peak agassi would have struggled against Rafa
atm.... he just wouldn't be able to dictate. And we know what happens
when Agassi wasn't able to be in control of a match.... he's just hit
harder and closer to the lines until he self destructed --- no plan B



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 23:11:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
Professor X wrote:
> On Feb 6, 10:50 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>>>> P
>>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>>> he did... call it being 22-23???
>>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>> P
>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>
>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>> McEnroe's level).
>>
>> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
>> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
>> the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.
>
> Yes peak agassi would destroy fed on Hcourt.
> Having said that I think peak agassi would have struggled against Rafa
> atm.... he just wouldn't be able to dictate. And we know what happens
> when Agassi wasn't able to be in control of a match.... he's just hit
> harder and closer to the lines until he self destructed --- no plan B
>


Not so sure about that. Agassi hits a lot harder/flatter than Fed &
would give Rafa far less time to take his windup.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:35:14
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 5, 9:11=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> > > Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> > > sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> > > switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> > > red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfrien=
d's
> > > lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> > > days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>
> > > We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> > > for the red-assed baboon".
>
> > >http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den
>
> > ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> > GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> > that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> > mere traceries of contentious legend...
>
> > P
>
> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> The same will happen to young Nadal. =A0His 6 majors looks good on even
> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> up for more than a couple of years. =A0Might be enough to put him into
> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> which may or may be =A0the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever

++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
be forced to LOL... we shall see...

Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
he did... call it being 22-23???

If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL

Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
CAN'T hide it... :)))

P



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 21:50:05
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>> P
>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>
>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>
>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>
>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>
>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>
>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> P
>


You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
your bacon - you disgust me.

Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
McEnroe's level).

You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with
the greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.






   
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:25:13
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498c15e3$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>>> P
>>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>>
>>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>>
>>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>>
>>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>>
>>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>>
>>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>>
>> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
>> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
>> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
>> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>>
>> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
>> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
>> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
>> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
>> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
>> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
>> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
>> he did... call it being 22-23???
>>
>> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
>> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
>> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>>
>> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
>> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
>> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
>> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>>
>> P
>>
>
>
> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
> your bacon - you disgust me.
>
> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten by
> at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would kill him
> on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), & has never
> been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of McEnroe's level).

Oh, look at 2000 and 2001 USO for a clue, Sampras got smacked by Safin and
Hewitt,
specially that 6,1,1 smacking and will this suggest that there are more than
40 players at their
peak would have smack Sampras at their peak ?
>
> You make the obvious mistakes most newbies do - ie watch him beating
> complete jokes like Blake/Berdych & just assume he'd so the same with the
> greatest talents that ever lived - idiotic.



>
>
>
>




    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:38:45
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
john wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:498c15e3$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>
>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>
>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten by
>> at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would kill him
>> on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), & has never
>> been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of McEnroe's level).
>
> Oh, look at 2000 and 2001 USO for a clue, Sampras got smacked by Safin and
> Hewitt,
> specially that 6,1,1 smacking and will this suggest that there are more than
> 40 players at their
> peak would have smack Sampras at their peak ?



There may be even more players smashing Federer at his peak in 2010 & 2011.


     
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:51:46
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498c3d6a$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> john wrote:
>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:498c15e3$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>
>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>
>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>> McEnroe's level).
>>
>> Oh, look at 2000 and 2001 USO for a clue, Sampras got smacked by Safin
>> and Hewitt,
>> specially that 6,1,1 smacking and will this suggest that there are more
>> than 40 players at their
>> peak would have smack Sampras at their peak ?
>
>
>
> There may be even more players smashing Federer at his peak in 2010 &
> 2011.

That is sure way to proove Samrpas wasn't that great base on Whisperian
logic.




      
Date: 07 Feb 2009 01:17:40
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
john wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:498c3d6a$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> john wrote:
>>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:498c15e3$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed he'd
>>>> taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed as a
>>>> know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to save
>>>> your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>>
>>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player with
>>>> no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well beaten
>>>> by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi would
>>>> kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62 64), &
>>>> has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>>> McEnroe's level).
>>> Oh, look at 2000 and 2001 USO for a clue, Sampras got smacked by Safin
>>> and Hewitt,
>>> specially that 6,1,1 smacking and will this suggest that there are more
>>> than 40 players at their
>>> peak would have smack Sampras at their peak ?
>>
>>
>> There may be even more players smashing Federer at his peak in 2010 &
>> 2011.
>
> That is sure way to proove Samrpas wasn't that great base on Whisperian
> logic.
>
>


Fed will be same age as Sampras was in those years, so yes that is the
correct comparison.



       
Date: 07 Feb 2009 08:41:36
From: john
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498c468a$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> john wrote:
>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:498c3d6a$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> john wrote:
>>>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:498c15e3$0$18795$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>> Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just upset because you called Fed the talent goat & claimed
>>>>> he'd taken the game to unprecedented levels, & have now been exposed
>>>>> as a know-nothing dweeb. Pretty low to accuse Rafa of juicing just to
>>>>> save your bacon - you disgust me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Federer is what he is & nothing more - ie a very good tennis player
>>>>> with no obvious weaknesses but also few strengths. He would be well
>>>>> beaten by at least 10 other guys in history at their peaks (eg Agassi
>>>>> would kill him on HC's at his peak - look at 2001 USO for a clue 61 62
>>>>> 64), & has never been remotely close to 'talent goat' (not even 50% of
>>>>> McEnroe's level).
>>>> Oh, look at 2000 and 2001 USO for a clue, Sampras got smacked by Safin
>>>> and Hewitt,
>>>> specially that 6,1,1 smacking and will this suggest that there are more
>>>> than 40 players at their
>>>> peak would have smack Sampras at their peak ?
>>>
>>>
>>> There may be even more players smashing Federer at his peak in 2010 &
>>> 2011.
>>
>> That is sure way to proove Samrpas wasn't that great base on Whisperian
>> logic.
>
>
> Fed will be same age as Sampras was in those years, so yes that is the
> correct comparison.
>

I think it is also a fair comparison in comparing Agassi near his peak vs
Federer who was two years
from his peak with Sampras who was two year past his peak vs Hewitt who hit
his peak two years
later. So in all both Sampras and Fed were that great base on whisperian
logic and some very good
cherry pickinng of their matches.




  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 10:19:05
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
"Patrick Kehoe" <pkehoe@telus.net > wrote in message
news:6de0f385-daf4-4e58-b532-59ba3157987c@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> > > Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> > > sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> > > switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> > > red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
> > > lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> > > days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>
> > > We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> > > for the red-assed baboon".
>
> > >http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>
> > ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> > GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> > that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> > mere traceries of contentious legend...
>
> > P
>
> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever

++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
be forced to LOL... we shall see...

Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
he did... call it being 22-23???

If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL

Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
CAN'T hide it... :)))

P
******
I don't think he's taking anything, to me Nadal definitely looked slower and
more tired in the final than he did against Simon and Gonzales.




   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 21:43:23
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
Iceberg wrote:
> "Patrick Kehoe" <pkehoe@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:6de0f385-daf4-4e58-b532-59ba3157987c@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 5, 9:11 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>> P
>> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
>> poorly lit night clubs.
>>
>> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>>
>> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
>> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>>
>> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
>> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
>> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
>> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>>
>> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
>> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>>
>> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever
>
> ++ I think Borg and Connors were mentally has tough as nails as
> well... I happen to think Federer is much tougher than people believe
> and will spend the next 4 years at least trying to prove it, as he'll
> be forced to LOL... we shall see...
>
> Nadal's defensive coverage in Melbourne and generally is just a
> generational leap though... if he was tired in that AO final and got
> to the shots he did (that we all saw) then I'm beginning to fear he
> might be getting some aid and/or he's a next gen defensive level guy
> who defies precident... I trust it is the latter WITHOUT benefit of
> the former... because I don't get that he was tired (he said after, he
> was going INTO the match tired) AND produced what he did, as evenly as
> he did... call it being 22-23???
>
> If I was covering tennis instead of boxing, that would bother me/set
> my investigative radar off, big time... of course, tennis in not known
> for its investigative reporting/writing, LOL
>
> Actually, tennis is widely ridiculed as being right up there with
> golf... GOLF being the joke among those of us who write on sports as
> the place were EVERYONE gets a free pass, unless, like John Daly, they
> CAN'T hide it... :)))
>
> P
> ******
> I don't think he's taking anything, to me Nadal definitely looked slower and
> more tired in the final than he did against Simon and Gonzales.
>
>



Yep - it was sheer will power & knowledge he can beat Fed anyway that
kept him going.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:11:57
From: drew
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> > Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> > sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> > switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> > red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
> > lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> > days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>
> > We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> > for the red-assed baboon".
>
> >http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>
> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>
> P

Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
poorly lit night clubs.

I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.

As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.

The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
range for a record number of majors and it may not.

But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.

Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever.


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:20:57
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
drew wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 4:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
>>> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
>>> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
>>> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
>>> red-assed baboon. "Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
>>> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
>>> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>>> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
>>> for the red-assed baboon".
>>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=en
>> ++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
>> GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
>> that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
>> mere traceries of contentious legend...
>>
>> P
>
> Dave's biggest problem was differentiating between men and women in
> poorly lit night clubs.
>
> I don't think Dave was ever hung up on the GOAT.
>
> As soon as the new king comes along, the GOAT becomes the guy who was
> the greatest until "fill in the blanks" came along.
>
> The same will happen to young Nadal. His 6 majors looks good on even
> a hard used young horse but he'll be hard-pressed to keep this level
> up for more than a couple of years. Might be enough to put him into
> range for a record number of majors and it may not.
>
> But it will have damn all to do with his performance as a player,
> which may or may be the most impressive I've ever seen.
>
> Certainly I've never seen a guy with his mental fortitude ever.


He has some remarkable ability - can't recall guys regularly hitting a
low ball 3 inches off the ground for winners on the line. Hard for
anyone to copy unless you can generate 3200 rpm.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:09:45
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 5, 12:48=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>
> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> for the red-assed baboon".
>
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den

lol


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:56:20
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Hazelwood gives up on goats
On Feb 5, 4:48=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood has finally given up on goat humping.
> Tired of climbing frosty Alpine peaks in pursuit of the wooly and
> sexual pleasures of the area's renowned mountain goats, Hazie
> switched to a much warmer climate, the home of the world famous
> red-assed baboon. =A0"Their rear ends remind me of my first girlfriend's
> lusciously puckered lips", mused the sexually frustrated pervert. "My
> days of penile frostbite are finally over".
>
> We wish you all the best, Hazel ... Godspeed in your quest
> for the red-assed baboon".
>
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=3Ddgfwg98t_12dk3v3m7q&hl=3Den


++ lol... well... I hope Dave knows the difference between goats and
GOATS... for as we should all know, the GOAT is a mythical creature
that only exists in the mind of speculative men/women, fleetingly, as
mere traceries of contentious legend...


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