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Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:16:41
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Subject: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
Just wondering.




 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:15:34
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 12:51=A0pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:24:20 -0800, drew wrote:
>
> >> Funny, I'm thinking Federer is the one who has peaked and that was a
> >> couple of years ago. And if you don't mind me saying lots of people
> >> have been saying Nadal has peaked and they say that every year - and h=
e
> >> just keeps improving every year.
>
> >> After the first year of watching Nadal I came to the conclusion that
> >> Nadal could just possibly become the greatest tennis player in history=
.
>
> > I honestly didn't see it until last year when it became clear that the
> > guy is willing to do what it takes to make himself better on all
> > surfaces and good enough on hard court to be a threat on that surface a=
t
> > a major.
>
> > Of course I look at it a little differently. =A0It isn't fair to histor=
y
> > to say 'greatest in the history of the game'. =A0As Connors so rightly
> > pointed out, he wasn't around to test Sampras in his peak, he wasn't
> > around to play Gonzales at his peak and so on. =A0You can only beat the
> > guys who are in front of you and if you're really lucky you catch a
> > break where there is a dearth of real impact players on the tour that
> > have a game that beats your own and you rack up all sorts of impressive
> > stats. =A0Of course it isn't as simple as that but you have to go well
> > beyond the stats. =A0If Nadal stops tomorrow he's still one of the
> > all-time greats IMO.
>
> In my book, if he does break all time records then he is the greatest.
>
> He will then have almost everything-
>
> Next to unbeatable records.
> Tennis brain to outsmart players.
> The power and muscle.
> A physique that most men would like to have (unless you're a fitness king
> or bodybuilder.)
> The girls (except Giovanna) love his looks and aforementioned physique.
> Super nice personality.
>
> Can't think of anything bad about him -apart from one habit which is
> talked about constantly by the twits in here. They've got nothing else to
> attack Rafa with IMHO.
>


Giovanna is not a girl but a transvestite.



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 17:51:18
From: Hg
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:24:20 -0800, drew wrote:


>>
>> Funny, I'm thinking Federer is the one who has peaked and that was a
>> couple of years ago. And if you don't mind me saying lots of people
>> have been saying Nadal has peaked and they say that every year - and he
>> just keeps improving every year.
>>
>> After the first year of watching Nadal I came to the conclusion that
>> Nadal could just possibly become the greatest tennis player in history.
>
> I honestly didn't see it until last year when it became clear that the
> guy is willing to do what it takes to make himself better on all
> surfaces and good enough on hard court to be a threat on that surface at
> a major.
>
> Of course I look at it a little differently. It isn't fair to history
> to say 'greatest in the history of the game'. As Connors so rightly
> pointed out, he wasn't around to test Sampras in his peak, he wasn't
> around to play Gonzales at his peak and so on. You can only beat the
> guys who are in front of you and if you're really lucky you catch a
> break where there is a dearth of real impact players on the tour that
> have a game that beats your own and you rack up all sorts of impressive
> stats. Of course it isn't as simple as that but you have to go well
> beyond the stats. If Nadal stops tomorrow he's still one of the
> all-time greats IMO.


In my book, if he does break all time records then he is the greatest.

He will then have almost everything-

Next to unbeatable records.
Tennis brain to outsmart players.
The power and muscle.
A physique that most men would like to have (unless you're a fitness king
or bodybuilder.)
The girls (except Giovanna) love his looks and aforementioned physique.
Super nice personality.

Can't think of anything bad about him -apart from one habit which is
talked about constantly by the twits in here. They've got nothing else to
attack Rafa with IMHO.


--
,/ \,
((___,---"""""---,___))
`-----)~ ~(-----`
'( \ / )'


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:24:20
From: drew
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 5:27 am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 10:10 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 12, 3:16 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On Feb 12, 10:49 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy. Of
> >> > > course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> >> > > injury free. I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> >> > > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he
> >> > > should be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> >> > ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
> >> > and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how
> >> > he reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but,
> >> > there's a limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means
> >> > dealing with a big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility
> >> > of an injury issue...
>
> >> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> >> this a couple of years ago.
>
> > ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't think
> > he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his serving
> > needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> > never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive marvel
> > because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... and
> > so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> > more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because for
> > peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> > won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...
>
> Funny, I'm thinking Federer is the one who has peaked and that was a couple
> of years ago. And if you don't mind me saying lots of people have been
> saying Nadal has peaked and they say that every year - and he just keeps
> improving every year.
>
> After the first year of watching Nadal I came to the conclusion that Nadal
> could just possibly become the greatest tennis player in history.

I honestly didn't see it until last year when it became clear that the
guy is willing to do what it takes to make himself better on all
surfaces and good enough on hard court to be a threat on that surface
at a major.

Of course I look at it a little differently. It isn't fair to history
to say 'greatest in the history of the game'. As Connors so rightly
pointed out, he wasn't around to test Sampras in his peak, he wasn't
around to play Gonzales at his peak and so on. You can only beat the
guys who are in front of you and if you're really lucky you catch a
break where there is a dearth of real impact players on the tour that
have a game that beats your own and you rack up all sorts of
impressive stats. Of course it isn't as simple as that but you have
to go well beyond the stats. If Nadal stops tomorrow he's still one
of the all-time greats IMO.







 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:47:30
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
If you watch Nadal's matches against Federer, (for example AO 2009),
it was Nadal's scrambling returning some of Federer's against anybody
else winners that flipped the match to him. The three or four
amazingly extreme scrambling Nadal did in the match was the
difference. As it happened to many players that played like him, he
will lose that speed/scrambling edge earlier than what people believe.
Also it will be interesting to see how he performs the rest of this
year after he peaked in the beginning of it.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:37:14
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 6:20=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:38=A0am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>
> > >> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> > >> this a couple of years ago.
>
> > > ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't th=
ink
> > > he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his servi=
ng
> > > needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> > > never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive mar=
vel
> > > because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... =
and
> > > so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> > > more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because f=
or
> > > peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> > > won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...
>
> > By the way, the only way a 'peak' can be proven is when a player's leve=
l
> > has dropped off and only fades more and more in following seasons. It's
> > impossible to say -without doubt- Rafa has peaked right now unless you
> > know for certain he'll fade in the near future.
>
> > You'll be a brave man to predict a worse year for Rafa this season than=
last
> > season.
>
> > --
> > =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'
>
> Hes a delusional fedfucker. Over the next 3 years Rafa will win more
> slams than federina. They will have to deal with that.- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> - Show quoted text -

++ Just so you know... swearing at people doesn't make an argument nor
make you look very good...

P


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:36:03
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 2:38=A0am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>
> >> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> >> this a couple of years ago.
>
> > ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't thin=
k
> > he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his serving
> > needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> > never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive marve=
l
> > because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... an=
d
> > so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> > more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because for
> > peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> > won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...
>
> By the way, the only way a 'peak' can be proven is when a player's level
> has dropped off and only fades more and more in following seasons. It's
> impossible to say -without doubt- Rafa has peaked right now unless you
> know for certain he'll fade in the near future.
>
> You'll be a brave man to predict a worse year for Rafa this season than l=
ast
> season.
>
> --
> =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'

++ You may be absolutely correct... I just think given what Nadal does
(how he plays and why he plays the way he does) and the tools he works
with (how he's chosen to develop what he has) he's peaked... to me
that's not a death sentence, lol... greatness isn't always improving,
ie the myth of Tiger Woods golf narrative because he's already peaked;
it's just the go along with anything golf writers that believe in the
eternal upward moving curve...

what defines greatness in sports is SUSTAINING one's peak abilities
and championship discipline and match resolve over an extended period
NO MATTER what life throws at them and IN THAT REGARD Drew believes
Rafa is MADE to sustain his greatness because of his essential
character... and that's a great argument... and looks like a
probability, if anything can be a sporting probability/certainty...

My fear for Nadal is that the internal resources he's using to become
who he is/what he's achieved is basically a slow burn technique of
absolute maximization and total mental blitzing... and that's a short
to barely medium timeline technique that tends to drop off quickly
when the emotional, psychological and 'hunger effect' are over
utilized, if you will... BECAUSE his style on court is also 'all
hustle all the time'... can he find a match effective style that
doesn't tax him as much as his present style? And can he win at the
elite level as he's now doing with it? To me that's the question that
Toni Nadal is wrestling with. BECAUSE he knows Rafa is a go for broke
kind of all in kinda tennis phenom...

For example how will he play Tsonga today? What will he decide is the
best way to play this kind of player? Will be interesting to see.


P


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:23:59
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 6:18=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:37=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 10:10=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 12, 3:16=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 12, 10:49=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.
> > > > > Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can k=
eep
> > > > > injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration a=
s a
> > > > > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he s=
hould
> > > > > be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> > > > ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
> > > > and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how=
he
> > > > reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but, there'=
s a
> > > > limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means dealing with =
a
> > > > big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility of an injury
> > > > issue...
>
> > > I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> > > this a couple of years ago.
>
> > ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't
> > think he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his
> > serving needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so
> > he's never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive
> > marvel because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's
> > edge... and so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins
> > viciously... but more and more of the top guys are going to pound that
> > serve because for peace of mind he goes for basic placement and
> > repeats that... others won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as
> > Verdasco showed...
>
> > > It's really out of his hands in a sense because all that it takes is
> > > somebody to pop up in the next couple of years; somebody who can
> > > exploit the few weaknesses in his game and then it could be all over
> > > for majors for him.
>
> > > On clay and at Wimbledon I think he's going to be very difficult to
> > > catch for a couple of years. =A0 He'll probably always be vulnerable =
to
> > > a player who is hitting flat and is in the zone so it is really
> > > impossible to say how well his game will stand up at the AO and USO i=
n
> > > the next couple of years.
>
> > ++ Yes... Paris and Wimbledon are his best shots though I think Fed
> > will nab another Wimbledon or two before he's finished... AO and USO
> > are long shots for him, even with his having won AO this year, to me,
> > Federer just layed an egg in that final... his form held through
> > quarters and semi's and then the serve just went off line... other
> > than the 2007 Wimbledon final when has Federer ever served well
> > against Nadal... he's bound to hit his form one of these times :)))
>
> > > Barring major injury I don't see Nadal ending up with less than 10
> > > majors.
>
> > ++ Ya... right now it looks that way but I see Nadal vunerable to a
> > lot of players BECAUSE he relies on defensive solidity soooooo much...
> > and keeping it tight to take advantages of big points... that's
> > mentally draining over time no matter how tough you are...
>
> > > You talk about hitting the wall and I take it you mean that he will
> > > suddenly have to deal with the realization that he cannot improve
> > > further and that the field is closing in.
>
> > ++ That too... but I mean the focus and mental resolve he needs to
> > maximize his game continuously will begin to take a lot out of him
> > sometime precisely because he relies on a style of all out hustle
> > tennis AND air tight mental concentration... Borg did last till 25...
> > so Nadal has a couple of years left on that scale... they are both
> > phenons who built their games from optimizing fitness to produce
> > tremendous defensive coverage, massive top spin counter hitting and
> > tactical net play all powered by unbending determination point after
> > point, match after match... that formula maximizes the limits of
> > tennis potential athletically and stylistically BUT it is a very young
> > man's game... Connors by comparison floated around the court in his
> > youth, his running style wasn't as joint punishing as Nadal's sliding,
> > angling, spinning limb contorting gymnastics... and that's a key
> > difference... IMO...
>
> > > I think Nadal is better placed mentally to deal with this than
> > > possibly any previous champions. =A0I think he's humble enough to
> > > continue to believe that he has to work very very hard to improve his
> > > game but I think he's proud enough to be motivated to win the big one=
s
> > > for some time to come and he's so steady in close matches that it wil=
l
> > > take somebody very special to pop up and take it to him.
>
> > ++ I think the field will now concentrate on anti-Nadal measures as
> > they did for 5 years with Federer, and still do... Nadal will have the
> > top end of the field playing aggressive serving, flatting hitting
> > forehand tennis to the corners to work Nadal over, tournament after
> > tournament... if he's a physical guy then run and gun him, that's how
> > the field will play Nadal and the AO was a warm up to that... in fact
> > you can see it this week in Rotterdam... Nadal is having to work
> > overtime just to get past the first couple of rounds... he has no
> > other way to play effectively at the elite level... it's all or
> > nothing tennis all the time... and that's a big ask of him... his
> > punctuating moves to net are rare actually and he's still being
> > required to run very hard to produce his wins...
>
> > > Much can change in a short period of time. =A0We've had the Federer
> > > train who believed that he was a lock to continue to win majors at a
> > > rate of 3 per year until age 30 and that dream dissolved quickly. =A0=
Now
> > > it is a question of whether he can even win one more major. =A0Who wo=
uld
> > > have thought that would be an item for discussion just over a year
> > > ago?
>
> > ++ Those are the people who just over react to every tournament... Fed
> > will win more slams... his consistency is now becoming a major part of
> > his legend... all those finals... love or hate the guy, it's an
> > amazing number... an amazing accomplishment... and people are quick to
> > forget how tough he is on clay... though now Mofils and Simon will be
> > the twin enforces aiding Nadal in holding his fortress of winning...
> > maybe Murray as well... I still don't think Murray has found his clay
> > game and when he does he's going to be a NIGHTMARE to beat in Paris...
> > his game should be just MADE for Paris...
>
> > > There is a willingness from Nadal to keep trying to improve and tweak
> > > his game to get more out of it. =A0I don't know if that comes from hi=
s
> > > coaching or from him but it is something that is missing in Federer
> > > and it was missing from Sampras. =A0It is an attribute that is more
> > > commonly seen in players who don't carry big egos.
>
> > ++ That is the test ahead for Federer... just how hard is that Swiss
> > melon?
>
> > > That doesn't mean that Nadal will win 'X' number of majors but it doe=
s
> > > put him in a better position to deal with opponents who try to exploi=
t
> > > the weaknesses in his game. =A0He may not be able to improve at some
> > > point down the road but it won't be as a result of a stubborn nature
> > > or from hubris.
>
> > ++ TRUE!
>
> > > I am a believer in hard work and persistence, guts and heart. =A0I've
> > > never seen a player who has it like Nadal. =A0I've seldom seen it in =
any
> > > athlete ever before.
>
> > ++ Yes... I don't understand why so many here a Nadal haters... the
> > guy is so heroic in his ethic and manner and method for that matter!
>
> > > Whatever happens to Nadal, this kid is something special in sport.
> > > Marvel at it while it lasts.
>
> > ++ Agreed...
>
> Wake up, fedfucker. Rafa has more slams left in him to win than
> federina. Period. Now go back to your usual fedfucking bs.- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

++ I agree with you... Rafa will win more slams than Fed from now
on... or seems a lock to... relax!

P



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 06:20:39
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 5:38=A0am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>
> >> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> >> this a couple of years ago.
>
> > ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't thin=
k
> > he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his serving
> > needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> > never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive marve=
l
> > because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... an=
d
> > so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> > more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because for
> > peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> > won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...
>
> By the way, the only way a 'peak' can be proven is when a player's level
> has dropped off and only fades more and more in following seasons. It's
> impossible to say -without doubt- Rafa has peaked right now unless you
> know for certain he'll fade in the near future.
>
> You'll be a brave man to predict a worse year for Rafa this season than l=
ast
> season.
>
> --
> =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'

Hes a delusional fedfucker. Over the next 3 years Rafa will win more
slams than federina. They will have to deal with that.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 06:18:27
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 13, 2:37=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 10:10=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 3:16=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 12, 10:49=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.
> > > > Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can kee=
p
> > > > injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as =
a
> > > > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he sho=
uld
> > > > be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> > > ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
> > > and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how h=
e
> > > reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but, there's =
a
> > > limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means dealing with a
> > > big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility of an injury
> > > issue...
>
> > I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> > this a couple of years ago.
>
> ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't
> think he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his
> serving needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so
> he's never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive
> marvel because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's
> edge... and so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins
> viciously... but more and more of the top guys are going to pound that
> serve because for peace of mind he goes for basic placement and
> repeats that... others won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as
> Verdasco showed...
>
>
>
> > It's really out of his hands in a sense because all that it takes is
> > somebody to pop up in the next couple of years; somebody who can
> > exploit the few weaknesses in his game and then it could be all over
> > for majors for him.
>
> > On clay and at Wimbledon I think he's going to be very difficult to
> > catch for a couple of years. =A0 He'll probably always be vulnerable to
> > a player who is hitting flat and is in the zone so it is really
> > impossible to say how well his game will stand up at the AO and USO in
> > the next couple of years.
>
> ++ Yes... Paris and Wimbledon are his best shots though I think Fed
> will nab another Wimbledon or two before he's finished... AO and USO
> are long shots for him, even with his having won AO this year, to me,
> Federer just layed an egg in that final... his form held through
> quarters and semi's and then the serve just went off line... other
> than the 2007 Wimbledon final when has Federer ever served well
> against Nadal... he's bound to hit his form one of these times :)))
>
> > Barring major injury I don't see Nadal ending up with less than 10
> > majors.
>
> ++ Ya... right now it looks that way but I see Nadal vunerable to a
> lot of players BECAUSE he relies on defensive solidity soooooo much...
> and keeping it tight to take advantages of big points... that's
> mentally draining over time no matter how tough you are...
>
> > You talk about hitting the wall and I take it you mean that he will
> > suddenly have to deal with the realization that he cannot improve
> > further and that the field is closing in.
>
> ++ That too... but I mean the focus and mental resolve he needs to
> maximize his game continuously will begin to take a lot out of him
> sometime precisely because he relies on a style of all out hustle
> tennis AND air tight mental concentration... Borg did last till 25...
> so Nadal has a couple of years left on that scale... they are both
> phenons who built their games from optimizing fitness to produce
> tremendous defensive coverage, massive top spin counter hitting and
> tactical net play all powered by unbending determination point after
> point, match after match... that formula maximizes the limits of
> tennis potential athletically and stylistically BUT it is a very young
> man's game... Connors by comparison floated around the court in his
> youth, his running style wasn't as joint punishing as Nadal's sliding,
> angling, spinning limb contorting gymnastics... and that's a key
> difference... IMO...
>
>
>
> > I think Nadal is better placed mentally to deal with this than
> > possibly any previous champions. =A0I think he's humble enough to
> > continue to believe that he has to work very very hard to improve his
> > game but I think he's proud enough to be motivated to win the big ones
> > for some time to come and he's so steady in close matches that it will
> > take somebody very special to pop up and take it to him.
>
> ++ I think the field will now concentrate on anti-Nadal measures as
> they did for 5 years with Federer, and still do... Nadal will have the
> top end of the field playing aggressive serving, flatting hitting
> forehand tennis to the corners to work Nadal over, tournament after
> tournament... if he's a physical guy then run and gun him, that's how
> the field will play Nadal and the AO was a warm up to that... in fact
> you can see it this week in Rotterdam... Nadal is having to work
> overtime just to get past the first couple of rounds... he has no
> other way to play effectively at the elite level... it's all or
> nothing tennis all the time... and that's a big ask of him... his
> punctuating moves to net are rare actually and he's still being
> required to run very hard to produce his wins...
>
> > Much can change in a short period of time. =A0We've had the Federer
> > train who believed that he was a lock to continue to win majors at a
> > rate of 3 per year until age 30 and that dream dissolved quickly. =A0No=
w
> > it is a question of whether he can even win one more major. =A0Who woul=
d
> > have thought that would be an item for discussion just over a year
> > ago?
>
> ++ Those are the people who just over react to every tournament... Fed
> will win more slams... his consistency is now becoming a major part of
> his legend... all those finals... love or hate the guy, it's an
> amazing number... an amazing accomplishment... and people are quick to
> forget how tough he is on clay... though now Mofils and Simon will be
> the twin enforces aiding Nadal in holding his fortress of winning...
> maybe Murray as well... I still don't think Murray has found his clay
> game and when he does he's going to be a NIGHTMARE to beat in Paris...
> his game should be just MADE for Paris...
>
> > There is a willingness from Nadal to keep trying to improve and tweak
> > his game to get more out of it. =A0I don't know if that comes from his
> > coaching or from him but it is something that is missing in Federer
> > and it was missing from Sampras. =A0It is an attribute that is more
> > commonly seen in players who don't carry big egos.
>
> ++ That is the test ahead for Federer... just how hard is that Swiss
> melon?
>
>
>
> > That doesn't mean that Nadal will win 'X' number of majors but it does
> > put him in a better position to deal with opponents who try to exploit
> > the weaknesses in his game. =A0He may not be able to improve at some
> > point down the road but it won't be as a result of a stubborn nature
> > or from hubris.
>
> ++ TRUE!
>
>
>
> > I am a believer in hard work and persistence, guts and heart. =A0I've
> > never seen a player who has it like Nadal. =A0I've seldom seen it in an=
y
> > athlete ever before.
>
> ++ Yes... I don't understand why so many here a Nadal haters... the
> guy is so heroic in his ethic and manner and method for that matter!
>
> > Whatever happens to Nadal, this kid is something special in sport.
> > Marvel at it while it lasts.
>
> ++ Agreed...


Wake up, fedfucker. Rafa has more slams left in him to win than
federina. Period. Now go back to your usual fedfucking bs.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:38:50
From: Hg
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>>
>> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
>> this a couple of years ago.
>
> ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't think
> he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his serving
> needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive marvel
> because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... and
> so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because for
> peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...



By the way, the only way a 'peak' can be proven is when a player's level
has dropped off and only fades more and more in following seasons. It's
impossible to say -without doubt- Rafa has peaked right now unless you
know for certain he'll fade in the near future.

You'll be a brave man to predict a worse year for Rafa this season than last
season.


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Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:27:20
From: Hg
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16 -0800, Patrick Kehoe wrote:

> On Feb 12, 10:10 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 3:16 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 12, 10:49 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy. Of
>> > > course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
>> > > injury free.  I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
>> > > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he
>> > > should be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>>
>> > ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
>> > and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how
>> > he reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but,
>> > there's a limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means
>> > dealing with a big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility
>> > of an injury issue...
>>
>> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
>> this a couple of years ago.
>
> ++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't think
> he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his serving
> needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so he's
> never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive marvel
> because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's edge... and
> so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins viciously... but
> more and more of the top guys are going to pound that serve because for
> peace of mind he goes for basic placement and repeats that... others
> won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as Verdasco showed...
>
>

Funny, I'm thinking Federer is the one who has peaked and that was a couple
of years ago. And if you don't mind me saying lots of people have been
saying Nadal has peaked and they say that every year - and he just keeps
improving every year.

After the first year of watching Nadal I came to the conclusion that Nadal
could just possibly become the greatest tennis player in history. If that
becomes true only time and Rafa's hard work and determination will decide.
It's gonna be fun (for some people) to see if he can attain his potential
and break all records. Maybe the hardest thing for Rafa to achieve will be
to win over Federer fans and to get them to acknowledge who is the better
player.


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'( \ / )'


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 23:37:16
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 10:10=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 3:16=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 12, 10:49=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.
> > > Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> > > injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> > > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he shoul=
d
> > > be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> > ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
> > and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how he
> > reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but, there's a
> > limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means dealing with a
> > big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility of an injury
> > issue...
>
> I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
> this a couple of years ago.

++ And as much as I respect Nadal, he's at his peak now... I don't
think he'll get any better really... he's maxed out the backhand, his
serving needs high percentages because of his counter hitting style so
he's never going to be lethal off the first serves... he's a defensive
marvel because all the parts are working well... that's his razor's
edge... and so is the second serve which he swings wide or spins
viciously... but more and more of the top guys are going to pound that
serve because for peace of mind he goes for basic placement and
repeats that... others won't be as stubborn as Federer has been, as
Verdasco showed...

>
> It's really out of his hands in a sense because all that it takes is
> somebody to pop up in the next couple of years; somebody who can
> exploit the few weaknesses in his game and then it could be all over
> for majors for him.
>
> On clay and at Wimbledon I think he's going to be very difficult to
> catch for a couple of years. =A0 He'll probably always be vulnerable to
> a player who is hitting flat and is in the zone so it is really
> impossible to say how well his game will stand up at the AO and USO in
> the next couple of years.

++ Yes... Paris and Wimbledon are his best shots though I think Fed
will nab another Wimbledon or two before he's finished... AO and USO
are long shots for him, even with his having won AO this year, to me,
Federer just layed an egg in that final... his form held through
quarters and semi's and then the serve just went off line... other
than the 2007 Wimbledon final when has Federer ever served well
against Nadal... he's bound to hit his form one of these times :)))

> Barring major injury I don't see Nadal ending up with less than 10
> majors.

++ Ya... right now it looks that way but I see Nadal vunerable to a
lot of players BECAUSE he relies on defensive solidity soooooo much...
and keeping it tight to take advantages of big points... that's
mentally draining over time no matter how tough you are...

> You talk about hitting the wall and I take it you mean that he will
> suddenly have to deal with the realization that he cannot improve
> further and that the field is closing in.

++ That too... but I mean the focus and mental resolve he needs to
maximize his game continuously will begin to take a lot out of him
sometime precisely because he relies on a style of all out hustle
tennis AND air tight mental concentration... Borg did last till 25...
so Nadal has a couple of years left on that scale... they are both
phenons who built their games from optimizing fitness to produce
tremendous defensive coverage, massive top spin counter hitting and
tactical net play all powered by unbending determination point after
point, match after match... that formula maximizes the limits of
tennis potential athletically and stylistically BUT it is a very young
man's game... Connors by comparison floated around the court in his
youth, his running style wasn't as joint punishing as Nadal's sliding,
angling, spinning limb contorting gymnastics... and that's a key
difference... IMO...
>
> I think Nadal is better placed mentally to deal with this than
> possibly any previous champions. =A0I think he's humble enough to
> continue to believe that he has to work very very hard to improve his
> game but I think he's proud enough to be motivated to win the big ones
> for some time to come and he's so steady in close matches that it will
> take somebody very special to pop up and take it to him.

++ I think the field will now concentrate on anti-Nadal measures as
they did for 5 years with Federer, and still do... Nadal will have the
top end of the field playing aggressive serving, flatting hitting
forehand tennis to the corners to work Nadal over, tournament after
tournament... if he's a physical guy then run and gun him, that's how
the field will play Nadal and the AO was a warm up to that... in fact
you can see it this week in Rotterdam... Nadal is having to work
overtime just to get past the first couple of rounds... he has no
other way to play effectively at the elite level... it's all or
nothing tennis all the time... and that's a big ask of him... his
punctuating moves to net are rare actually and he's still being
required to run very hard to produce his wins...

> Much can change in a short period of time. =A0We've had the Federer
> train who believed that he was a lock to continue to win majors at a
> rate of 3 per year until age 30 and that dream dissolved quickly. =A0Now
> it is a question of whether he can even win one more major. =A0Who would
> have thought that would be an item for discussion just over a year
> ago?

++ Those are the people who just over react to every tournament... Fed
will win more slams... his consistency is now becoming a major part of
his legend... all those finals... love or hate the guy, it's an
amazing number... an amazing accomplishment... and people are quick to
forget how tough he is on clay... though now Mofils and Simon will be
the twin enforces aiding Nadal in holding his fortress of winning...
maybe Murray as well... I still don't think Murray has found his clay
game and when he does he's going to be a NIGHTMARE to beat in Paris...
his game should be just MADE for Paris...

> There is a willingness from Nadal to keep trying to improve and tweak
> his game to get more out of it. =A0I don't know if that comes from his
> coaching or from him but it is something that is missing in Federer
> and it was missing from Sampras. =A0It is an attribute that is more
> commonly seen in players who don't carry big egos.

++ That is the test ahead for Federer... just how hard is that Swiss
melon?
>
> That doesn't mean that Nadal will win 'X' number of majors but it does
> put him in a better position to deal with opponents who try to exploit
> the weaknesses in his game. =A0He may not be able to improve at some
> point down the road but it won't be as a result of a stubborn nature
> or from hubris.

++ TRUE!
>
> I am a believer in hard work and persistence, guts and heart. =A0I've
> never seen a player who has it like Nadal. =A0I've seldom seen it in any
> athlete ever before.

++ Yes... I don't understand why so many here a Nadal haters... the
guy is so heroic in his ethic and manner and method for that matter!


> Whatever happens to Nadal, this kid is something special in sport.
> Marvel at it while it lasts.

++ Agreed...

P


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 22:10:44
From: drew
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 3:16=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 10:49=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:

>
> > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.

> > Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> > injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he should
> > be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> ++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
> and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how he
> reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but, there's a
> limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means dealing with a
> big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility of an injury
> issue...

I think that Nadal is still improving and I wouldn't have predicted
this a couple of years ago.

It's really out of his hands in a sense because all that it takes is
somebody to pop up in the next couple of years; somebody who can
exploit the few weaknesses in his game and then it could be all over
for majors for him.

On clay and at Wimbledon I think he's going to be very difficult to
catch for a couple of years. He'll probably always be vulnerable to
a player who is hitting flat and is in the zone so it is really
impossible to say how well his game will stand up at the AO and USO in
the next couple of years.

Barring major injury I don't see Nadal ending up with less than 10
majors.

You talk about hitting the wall and I take it you mean that he will
suddenly have to deal with the realization that he cannot improve
further and that the field is closing in.

I think Nadal is better placed mentally to deal with this than
possibly any previous champions. I think he's humble enough to
continue to believe that he has to work very very hard to improve his
game but I think he's proud enough to be motivated to win the big ones
for some time to come and he's so steady in close matches that it will
take somebody very special to pop up and take it to him.

Much can change in a short period of time. We've had the Federer
train who believed that he was a lock to continue to win majors at a
rate of 3 per year until age 30 and that dream dissolved quickly. Now
it is a question of whether he can even win one more major. Who would
have thought that would be an item for discussion just over a year
ago?

There is a willingness from Nadal to keep trying to improve and tweak
his game to get more out of it. I don't know if that comes from his
coaching or from him but it is something that is missing in Federer
and it was missing from Sampras. It is an attribute that is more
commonly seen in players who don't carry big egos.

That doesn't mean that Nadal will win 'X' number of majors but it does
put him in a better position to deal with opponents who try to exploit
the weaknesses in his game. He may not be able to improve at some
point down the road but it won't be as a result of a stubborn nature
or from hubris.

I am a believer in hard work and persistence, guts and heart. I've
never seen a player who has it like Nadal. I've seldom seen it in any
athlete ever before.

Whatever happens to Nadal, this kid is something special in sport.
Marvel at it while it lasts.



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 01:45:03
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:16:41 -0800 (PST), Arancione@selin.com wrote:

>Just wondering.


1


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 15:11:48
From: Giovanna
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?

> > Just wondering.
>
> between 15-21

...wtf?


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:34:26
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 1:31=A0pm, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 1:49=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 12, 11:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
>
> > > Just wondering.
>
> > I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.
>
> Come...on....dude....

Scared for Sampras?

>
>
>
> > Quite likely that he'll win 3 this year. =A0Maybe all of them.
>
> > Next year and the year after he'll probably win FO and W, so I reckon
> > he'll have 10 by the end of next year and he'll still be only 24.
>
> I think 10-12 is a nice number for his career with the final number
> falling between 9-13. =A0I am going to say 12 barring major injury.
>
> > Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> > injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> > problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he should
> > be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.
>
> With his increased emphasis on stepping in I think he can hold up
> mentally for a long time, but he will never be any younger than he is
> now.



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:33:53
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 11:42=A0am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "Raja" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:11f5bc66-51f7-405f-bcbe-e28c6801e9c3@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 10:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
>
> > Just wondering.
>
> >Barring injuries, I predit about 16 slams for him. But it is highly
> >likely he will get injured. Also there is a big possibility that a ace
> >monster will soon come and rule Wim/USO like Sampras did in the 90s.
> >He will have trouble against Ivansevic/Sampras types in Wim/USO. But
> >he will go on collecting AO/FO non stop
>
> he did pretty well against Karlovic at Queens last year, if this "ace
> monster"

Bad example. Karlovic is by far the worst ace monster I have ever
seen. His volleys are shit, his movement his shit and his aces dont
fire when it is really important.

>did appear though, it would be good news for Murray, he would walk
> past the guy, like he did Ivo at the Olympics.



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:16:37
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 10:49=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
>
> > Just wondering.
>
> I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.
>
> Quite likely that he'll win 3 this year. =A0Maybe all of them.
>
> Next year and the year after he'll probably win FO and W, so I reckon
> he'll have 10 by the end of next year and he'll still be only 24.
>
> Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he should
> be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.

++ But Drew he's going to hit the proverbial wall (would you agree)
and it could come without much of a warning... then we will see how he
reacts to that... could be he powers through this year; but, there's a
limit to 'all out tennis' even for Nadal and it means dealing with a
big tumble... this is nothwithstanding the possibility of an injury
issue...

P


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 11:31:48
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 1:49=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
>
> > Just wondering.
>
> I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.

Come...on....dude....

>
> Quite likely that he'll win 3 this year. =A0Maybe all of them.
>
> Next year and the year after he'll probably win FO and W, so I reckon
> he'll have 10 by the end of next year and he'll still be only 24.

I think 10-12 is a nice number for his career with the final number
falling between 9-13. I am going to say 12 barring major injury.

> Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
> injury free. =A0I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
> problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he should
> be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.

With his increased emphasis on stepping in I think he can hold up
mentally for a long time, but he will never be any younger than he is
now.



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 14:12:46
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
<Arancione@selin.com > wrote in message
news:d11dc919-97de-4931-9235-e31af4a99da5@m42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> Just wondering.

As many as possible.




 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 10:49:21
From: drew
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 11:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.


I think 15 or 16 is quite reasonable if he can stay healthy.

Quite likely that he'll win 3 this year. Maybe all of them.

Next year and the year after he'll probably win FO and W, so I reckon
he'll have 10 by the end of next year and he'll still be only 24.

Of course at this point it will be a question of whether he can keep
injury free. I don't see motivation or dips in concentration as a
problem for him so on the strength of his FO prospects alone he should
be able to establish a record # of majors for himself.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:44:35
From: number_six
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 8:35=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> > Just wondering.
>
> Hard to say, but I think he will win a couple of more at RG. I am not
> sure if he will win more slams on other surfaces. Like everyone else is
> saying I think he can get injured. He will probably has his best chances
> in this year's Wimbledon. But I have a feeling that he will never win
> there again.
>
> So my guess is 2 or 3 more slams.
>
> PS.

At first, I thought it was *all* about his wheels, and the only
question was when he would lose a step and a half -- 24, 27...or next
Thursday? But I am impressed with how he is altering and adding to
his game. And remember, the grass is kinder to him than HC...but who
knows, maybe AELTC will speed it up again...


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 17:35:23
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
Arancione@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.

Hard to say, but I think he will win a couple of more at RG. I am not
sure if he will win more slams on other surfaces. Like everyone else is
saying I think he can get injured. He will probably has his best chances
in this year's Wimbledon. But I have a feeling that he will never win
there again.

So my guess is 2 or 3 more slams.

PS.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:34:44
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 11:24=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> .But
> he will go on collecting AO/FO non stop

Yes, he can even win them many times a year.



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:34:39
From:
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 11:21=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 5

Yeah, I was thinking he could end up with like a total of 11 slams
like "Laver" and "Borg", the other 2 players who won the "channel
slam" in the Open Era.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:24:20
From: Raja
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 10:16=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.

Barring injuries, I predit about 16 slams for him. But it is highly
likely he will get injured. Also there is a big possibility that a ace
monster will soon come and rule Wim/USO like Sampras did in the 90s.
He will have trouble against Ivansevic/Sampras types in Wim/USO. But
he will go on collecting AO/FO non stop


  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 17:42:17
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:11f5bc66-51f7-405f-bcbe-e28c6801e9c3@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 10:16 am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.
>
>Barring injuries, I predit about 16 slams for him. But it is highly
>likely he will get injured. Also there is a big possibility that a ace
>monster will soon come and rule Wim/USO like Sampras did in the 90s.
>He will have trouble against Ivansevic/Sampras types in Wim/USO. But
>he will go on collecting AO/FO non stop

he did pretty well against Karlovic at Queens last year, if this "ace
monster" did appear though, it would be good news for Murray, he would walk
past the guy, like he did Ivo at the Olympics.




 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:23:24
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 11:16=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.

between 15-21


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:21:47
From: Silence, Fedfucker!
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
On Feb 12, 4:16 pm, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> Just wondering.

He will not break double figures.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:21:07
From: Lax
Subject: Re: How many more slams do you think Nadal will win in his career?
5