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Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:32:18
From:
Subject: I could be preaching to the choir
but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
what it is.

There's almost always such a consistency of performance at the top, so
we have legends
facing off regularly in Slam finals.

We have epic encounters at many Slam events - Wimby 08 and Nadal-
Verdasco just the latest examples.

Tennis is as close as you can get to getting the officials *out of the
way* (for example I just read about an
NBA game last night between Cleveland and Orlando - two top teams this
year with great young players - and sure enough the Cavs were
complaining that LeBron only went to the free-throw line 6 times the
whole game. But what never gets said is that the problem is with the
sport itself. It's impossible to officiate with the accuracy that
tennis can be officiated.

We have players chasing milestones like most-ever Slams that always
keeps things interesting, and I don't expect that to change in the
future even if Roger breaks Pete's record.

So the point of all this is it'd be nice to have less *clown era* talk
and flame throwing and more appreciation for, imo, the best sport
there is.




 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 12:35:59
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 3:30=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure=
out
> > > > > > what it is.
>
> > > > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big ser=
ves.
>
> > > > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> > > It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> > > think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> > > everything in proper proportions.
>
> > Will you get the Super Bowl? If so, go Steelers! :)
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> GO FISH!
>
> #Oh! RIGHT! Miami are OUT!#
>
> P- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And the Giants. Damn you Plaxico!


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 12:30:52
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 10:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure o=
ut
> > > > > what it is.
>
> > > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serve=
s.
>
> > > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> > It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> > think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> > everything in proper proportions.
>
> Will you get the Super Bowl? If so, go Steelers! :)
>
> Joe Ramirez

GO FISH!

#Oh! RIGHT! Miami are OUT!#

P


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 12:23:09
From: guyana
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > what it is.
>
> Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.

ping pong or table tennis as it is called in the rest of the world!
I was the college champion!


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:26:12
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:44=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 18:12, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > > what it is.
>
> > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> > Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
> > and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
> > tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
> > stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> > sense of history is greater.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> As we've discussed before, I suspect that is a very non-Asian view of
> sport!

Can't help that -- I'm not Asian.

> Also, worldwide, I suspect soccer, basketball, and boxing will get a
> bigger 'better' vote.

Maybe, but now you're arguing with Jason not me. My point in replying
to was limited to the relative positions of the racket sports.

>
> For myself I think tennis is what you play when you are no longer
> agile and your reactions have slowed...:-)

OK, but this thread is about sports to watch, not sports to play. I'm
sure all of us have different hierarchies, and they probably change
during the course of our lives.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:08:25
From: DNA
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:56=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:12=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > > what it is.
>
> > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> > Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
> > and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
> > tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
> > stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> > sense of history is greater.
>
> Yes - tennis is more watchable than any of those. In my opinion it is
> the best sport because:
>
> - individual rather than team (no hiding place)
> - one-on-one directly with opponent (sorry, golf etc)
> - knockout format (no second chances (YEC apart))
> - good scoring system (no judging)
> - room for many different styles of play (ok maybe not so much these
> days)
> - variety of different conditions (can you imagine other sportsmen
> being expected to play on a totally different types of pitch, indoors
> and outdoors, daytime and under lights?)
> - right balance between pure physical fitness and skills
> - very watchable for both spectators and TV viewers
> - great history
> - perfect atmosphere (quiet during play (USO apart) and going crazy
> between points)

I would add:
1. Sporting crowds ( most of the times, *compared to some other
sports*, a good match usually followed by a standing ovation by all. )
2. Tennis players usually friendly and not in the news for wrong
reasons. ( *NFL* )
3. Nice Global appeal.

And my favourite:

1. The only thing on planet that can make me get up at 3:30 am three
days in a row.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:05:38
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 7:00=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 1:56=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 6:12=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure o=
ut
> > > > > what it is.
>
> > > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serve=
s.
>
> > > Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tenni=
s
> > > and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court i=
s
> > > tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, th=
e
> > > stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> > > sense of history is greater.
>
> > Yes - tennis is more watchable than any of those. In my opinion it is
> > the best sport because:
>
> > - individual rather than team (no hiding place)
> > - one-on-one directly with opponent (sorry, golf etc)
> > - knockout format (no second chances (YEC apart))
> > - good scoring system (no judging)
> > - room for many different styles of play (ok maybe not so much these
> > days)
> > - variety of different conditions (can you imagine other sportsmen
> > being expected to play on a totally different types of pitch, indoors
> > and outdoors, daytime and under lights?)
> > - right balance between pure physical fitness and skills
> > - very watchable for both spectators and TV viewers
> > - great history
> > - perfect atmosphere (quiet during play (USO apart) and going crazy
> > between points)
>
> The one big thing I would add is the *ease of officiating*
>
> I just can't handle it when the game ends and the losing team has a
> legitimate grip that the *calls
> went against them*. With Shot spot, that's pretty much been eliminated
> from tennis.

Yes - good point. Also the rules of the game are simple and clear to
those watching. Sports like American football and rugby have some very
technical rules which mean that spectators can be struggling to know
what is happening.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:00:03
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:56=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:12=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > > what it is.
>
> > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> > Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
> > and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
> > tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
> > stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> > sense of history is greater.
>
> Yes - tennis is more watchable than any of those. In my opinion it is
> the best sport because:
>
> - individual rather than team (no hiding place)
> - one-on-one directly with opponent (sorry, golf etc)
> - knockout format (no second chances (YEC apart))
> - good scoring system (no judging)
> - room for many different styles of play (ok maybe not so much these
> days)
> - variety of different conditions (can you imagine other sportsmen
> being expected to play on a totally different types of pitch, indoors
> and outdoors, daytime and under lights?)
> - right balance between pure physical fitness and skills
> - very watchable for both spectators and TV viewers
> - great history
> - perfect atmosphere (quiet during play (USO apart) and going crazy
> between points)

The one big thing I would add is the *ease of officiating*

I just can't handle it when the game ends and the losing team has a
legitimate grip that the *calls
went against them*. With Shot spot, that's pretty much been eliminated
from tennis.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:57:32
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:33=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure=
out
> > > > > > what it is.
>
> > > > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big ser=
ves.
>
> > > > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> > > It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> > > think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> > > everything in proper proportions.
>
> > Will you get the Super Bowl? If so, go Steelers! :)
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I don't think we will. I will check. Nobody plays American football
> here. We might get a rerun. But we do get consistent and mostly live
> coverage of more global sports like basketball, even baseball
> sometimes.
>
> Speaking of American sports, here's a review of the ESPN site by a
> British journalist that imo hits home:
>
> "If you're an American football fan, you have probably been reading
> the website of 24-hour sports network ESPN. National Football League
> is the site's main focus, and it has been providing saturation
> coverage of Super Bowl XLII. But if you're a fan of the round ball
> version of the game, it's twelfth in line on the site, between golf
> and tennis. And if you're a cricket or rugby fan, you'll find them
> under the More+ menu heading, below Lacrosse and Mixed Martial Arts.
>
> Motor racing provides another example of ESPN's parochialism. Nascar
> has its own menu item, while the other stuff gets bundled together:
> IndyCar, Champ Car, Formula One, NHRA ... Yes, that's the menu order.
> F1 is a bit more significant than NHRA drag racing, but not as
> important as Champ Car or, say, women's basketball.
>
> In sum, the site that bills itself as "The Worldwide Leader in Sports"
> isn't a leader in worldwide sports, just the ones Joe Sixpack
> follows."
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/espn.sports

This is a bad time of year to be visiting a U.S. sports web site and
expecting to find evenhanded treatement of global sports. Naturally
the week before the Super Bowl will be filled with endless Super Bowl
coverage. I think that it's somewhat over-the-top myself, and I'm from
a participating city. But it's what pays the bills. And I wonder what
British sports web sites are like during, say, the FA Cup. :)

Judging the quality of coverage by the position on a menu is stupid.
Yes, soccer is not at the top of the list. Horrors. But I would think
the more important question is whether the actual content is any good.
Here's the site, so you can decide for yourself if interested:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/.

And here's the tennis page, which I think is not bad: http://espn.go.com/te=
nnis/.
I think the ESPN site as a whole probably has more information that
the Guardian is giving it credit for.

It's true that few Americans care about F1. I myself do not care about
F1, but then I don't care much about any auto racing (certainly not
NASCAR). IMO motorsports are a poor substitute for the real thing.
During the Winter X Games last week, I tuned out the snowmobile races
and watched only the snowboarding and skiing.

I agree that "The Worldwide Leader in Sports" is unjustified bombast.
I doubt that those making the claim are intimately familiar with
sports coverage around the world. On the other hand, I also suspect
that the parochialism of which ESPN is accused isn't that different
from the local focus of media in most other nations.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:56:21
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 6:12=A0pm, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > what it is.
>
> > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
> and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
> tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
> stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> sense of history is greater.

Yes - tennis is more watchable than any of those. In my opinion it is
the best sport because:

- individual rather than team (no hiding place)
- one-on-one directly with opponent (sorry, golf etc)
- knockout format (no second chances (YEC apart))
- good scoring system (no judging)
- room for many different styles of play (ok maybe not so much these
days)
- variety of different conditions (can you imagine other sportsmen
being expected to play on a totally different types of pitch, indoors
and outdoors, daytime and under lights?)
- right balance between pure physical fitness and skills
- very watchable for both spectators and TV viewers
- great history
- perfect atmosphere (quiet during play (USO apart) and going crazy
between points)





 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:44:25
From: topspin
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On 30 Jan, 18:12, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > what it is.
>
> > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
> and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
> tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
> stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
> sense of history is greater.
>
> Joe Ramirez

As we've discussed before, I suspect that is a very non-Asian view of
sport!

Also, worldwide, I suspect soccer, basketball, and boxing will get a
bigger 'better' vote.

For myself I think tennis is what you play when you are no longer
agile and your reactions have slowed...:-)


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:37:17
From: topspin
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On 30 Jan, 18:20, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > what it is.
>
> > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> You really hated those Sampras years, didn't you? ;-)

I was definitely in the majority that Wimbledon bored rigid. The other
slams were definitely a load better.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:33:49
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 31, 12:15=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure o=
ut
> > > > > what it is.
>
> > > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serve=
s.
>
> > > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> > It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> > think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> > everything in proper proportions.
>
> Will you get the Super Bowl? If so, go Steelers! :)
>
> Joe Ramirez

I don't think we will. I will check. Nobody plays American football
here. We might get a rerun. But we do get consistent and mostly live
coverage of more global sports like basketball, even baseball
sometimes.

Speaking of American sports, here's a review of the ESPN site by a
British journalist that imo hits home:

"If you're an American football fan, you have probably been reading
the website of 24-hour sports network ESPN. National Football League
is the site's main focus, and it has been providing saturation
coverage of Super Bowl XLII. But if you're a fan of the round ball
version of the game, it's twelfth in line on the site, between golf
and tennis. And if you're a cricket or rugby fan, you'll find them
under the More+ menu heading, below Lacrosse and Mixed Martial Arts.

Motor racing provides another example of ESPN's parochialism. Nascar
has its own menu item, while the other stuff gets bundled together:
IndyCar, Champ Car, Formula One, NHRA ... Yes, that's the menu order.
F1 is a bit more significant than NHRA drag racing, but not as
important as Champ Car or, say, women's basketball.

In sum, the site that bills itself as "The Worldwide Leader in Sports"
isn't a leader in worldwide sports, just the ones Joe Sixpack
follows."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/espn.sports


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:20:32
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > what it is.
>
> Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.

You really hated those Sampras years, didn't you? ;-)


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:15:38
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > > what it is.
>
> > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> everything in proper proportions.

Will you get the Super Bowl? If so, go Steelers! :)

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:13:00
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 1:10=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > > what it is.
>
> > > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> > I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?
>
> It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
> think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
> everything in proper proportions.

Yeah, but isn't Topspin British?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:12:16
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > what it is.
>
> Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.

Table tennis is also faster than tennis, but I think both table tennis
and badminton lack the epic feel of a great tennis match. The court is
tennis is larger, the outdoor venues are bigger and more dramatic, the
stakes in money and fame are higher, the matches are longer, and the
sense of history is greater.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:10:51
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 31, 12:03=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > what it is.
>
> > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?

It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
everything in proper proportions.


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 22:17:28
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir

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On Jan 31, 12:03 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:48 pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > > what it is.
>
> > Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.
>
> I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?

It's a pretty regular feature in Asian Sports channels. In fact, I
think Asian channels are the best in terms of sports. We get
everything in proper proportions.

***


Sure they are.




 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:03:00
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 12:48=A0pm, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> > what it is.
>
> Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.

I suppose you can follow it on channelsurfing.net?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:48:36
From: topspin
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On 30 Jan, 16:32, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> what it is.

Badminton. Faster, more intense, and nowhere to hide with big serves.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:37:53
From: DNA
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 11:32=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> what it is.

Depends whether you like Action-Thrillers or Comedy/Tragedy. If the
latter, there is always Women's tennis.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:19:21
From:
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 12:17=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:46=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > Another nice thing about tennis is its relative transparency. With
> > respect to strategies and tactics, a reasonably knowledgeable fan
> > normally can tell exactly what's going on just by watching the match.
>
> I don't think this is true statement. Look at our tier-1 analyst, he
> still can't tell anything.

Hey, a record four posts before the first flame was thrown. A record?


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 14:23:01
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:17 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 11:46 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Another nice thing about tennis is its relative transparency. With
>> > respect to strategies and tactics, a reasonably knowledgeable fan
>> > normally can tell exactly what's going on just by watching the match.
>>
>> I don't think this is true statement. Look at our tier-1 analyst, he
>> still can't tell anything.
>
> Hey, a record four posts before the first flame was thrown. A record?

How long have you been posting here again? "Four posts" a record? Ha! Try
"first reply". :)


   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:41:11
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 12:17 pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 11:46 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another nice thing about tennis is its relative transparency. With
>>>> respect to strategies and tactics, a reasonably knowledgeable fan
>>>> normally can tell exactly what's going on just by watching the match.
>>> I don't think this is true statement. Look at our tier-1 analyst, he
>>> still can't tell anything.
>> Hey, a record four posts before the first flame was thrown. A record?
>
> How long have you been posting here again? "Four posts" a record? Ha! Try
> "first reply". :)

How about "first post"?

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:17:21
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 11:46=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:

> Another nice thing about tennis is its relative transparency. With
> respect to strategies and tactics, a reasonably knowledgeable fan
> normally can tell exactly what's going on just by watching the match.

I don't think this is true statement. Look at our tier-1 analyst, he
still can't tell anything.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 16:49:54
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> what it is.
>
> There's almost always such a consistency of performance at the top, so
> we have legends
> facing off regularly in Slam finals.
>
> We have epic encounters at many Slam events - Wimby 08 and Nadal-
> Verdasco just the latest examples.
>
> Tennis is as close as you can get to getting the officials *out of the
> way* (for example I just read about an
> NBA game last night between Cleveland and Orlando - two top teams this
> year with great young players - and sure enough the Cavs were
> complaining that LeBron only went to the free-throw line 6 times the
> whole game. But what never gets said is that the problem is with the
> sport itself. It's impossible to officiate with the accuracy that
> tennis can be officiated.
>
> We have players chasing milestones like most-ever Slams that always
> keeps things interesting, and I don't expect that to change in the
> future even if Roger breaks Pete's record.
>
> So the point of all this is it'd be nice to have less *clown era* talk
> and flame throwing and more appreciation for, imo, the best sport
> there is.

I think the Clown Era proponents can't sustain their world view without
this presumption.

Nadal is the grittiest fighter the sport has ever known by quite a
margin. Nadal won't be giving anything away and Federer will be going
for winners.

Yet another epic chapter unfolds. Just hope the quality of play is high
from both players.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:46:51
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 11:32=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> what it is.
>
> There's almost always such a consistency of performance at the top, so
> we have legends
> facing off regularly in Slam finals.
>
> We have epic encounters at many Slam events - Wimby 08 and Nadal-
> Verdasco just the latest examples.
>
> Tennis is as close as you can get to getting the officials *out of the
> way* (for example I just read about an
> NBA game last night between Cleveland and Orlando - two top teams this
> year with great young players - and sure enough the Cavs were
> complaining that LeBron only went to the free-throw line 6 times the
> whole game. But what never gets said is that the problem is with the
> sport itself. It's impossible to officiate with the accuracy that
> tennis can be officiated.
>
> We have players chasing milestones like most-ever Slams that always
> keeps things interesting, and I don't expect that to change in the
> future even if Roger breaks Pete's record.
>
> So the point of all this is it'd be nice to have less *clown era* talk
> and flame throwing and more appreciation for, imo, the best sport
> there is.

Another nice thing about tennis is its relative transparency. With
respect to strategies and tactics, a reasonably knowledgeable fan
normally can tell exactly what's going on just by watching the match.
If a player's plan is to attack his opponent's backhand and come to
the net on sliced approaches, you will see him attacking his
opponent's backhand and coming to the net on sliced approaches. :) And
when shots are made or missed, you see exactly where (and usually how/
why) they were made or missed. In contrast, many team sports typically
offer complexity that is sometimes rewarding, but just as often
mystifying -- even the coaches and experts sometimes can't explain
precisely what is going on. That creates a more passive fan
experience, IMO. With tennis, when you know what the players are
doing, and what they should be doing, it almost feels as though you
are doing it with them.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:39:14
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: I could be preaching to the choir
On Jan 30, 8:32=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> but if there's a sport better than men's tennis, I can't figure out
> what it is.
>
> There's almost always such a consistency of performance at the top, so
> we have legends
> facing off regularly in Slam finals.
>
> We have epic encounters at many Slam events - Wimby 08 and Nadal-
> Verdasco just the latest examples.
>
> Tennis is as close as you can get to getting the officials *out of the
> way* (for example I just read about an
> NBA game last night between Cleveland and Orlando - two top teams this
> year with great young players - and sure enough the Cavs were
> complaining that LeBron only went to the free-throw line 6 times the
> whole game. But what never gets said is that the problem is with the
> sport itself. It's impossible to officiate with the accuracy that
> tennis can be officiated.
>
> We have players chasing milestones like most-ever Slams that always
> keeps things interesting, and I don't expect that to change in the
> future even if Roger breaks Pete's record.
>
> So the point of all this is it'd be nice to have less *clown era* talk
> and flame throwing and more appreciation for, imo, the best sport
> there is.

J you ABSOLUTELY read my mind... men's tennis, at least, is off the
charts right now in terms of competitive matches and historical
dimensions, because of Nadal and Federer, seem to be at every slam
tournament... and 2009 and 2010 will see the mix increase for sure...
right now the Roger-Rafa show is being held over yet again during
their run AND that's GREAT TOO... for as long as they can keep to
their respective levels tennis is the big winner...

P