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Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:03:55
From: Aimless
Subject: I do not think fatigue ...
is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had only
ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I can
play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The guy is 22
I think you're underestimating his body.





 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 14:31:22
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Aimless wrote:
> > =A0 =A0is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had=
only
> > ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I
> > can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
> > guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>
> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>
> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.

So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
the speedy clay in Rome?


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:37:29
From: TT
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
kaennorsing wrote:
> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Aimless wrote:
>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had only
>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I
>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>>
>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
>
> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
> the speedy clay in Rome?

My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 20:08:46
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> kaennorsing wrote:
>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>> Aimless wrote:
>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had only
>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I
>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>>>
>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
>>
>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
>> the speedy clay in Rome?
>
> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
>

Yes - remember 5-sets vs Murray and then 2-2-2 to Gonzalez.


    
Date: 31 Jan 2009 01:26:33
From: TT
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> TT <gold@olympics.org> wrote:
>> kaennorsing wrote:
>>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> Aimless wrote:
>>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had only
>>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I
>>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
>>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
>>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>>>>
>>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
>>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
>>> the speedy clay in Rome?
>> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
>> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
>> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
>>
>
> Yes - remember 5-sets vs Murray and then 2-2-2 to Gonzalez.

Or Moya-Youzhny year ago.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 22:44:35
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> kaennorsing wrote:
> > On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> Aimless wrote:
> >>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had
> >>> only
> >>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but
> >>> I
> >>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
> >>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
> >> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
> >> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
> >>
> >> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
> >
> > So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
> > the speedy clay in Rome?
>
> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.

But no excuses if Nadal loses?


    
Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:57:07
From: TT
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> kaennorsing wrote:
>>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> Aimless wrote:
>>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had
>>>>> only
>>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but
>>>>> I
>>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
>>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
>>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>>>>
>>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
>>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
>>> the speedy clay in Rome?
>> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
>> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
>> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
>
> But no excuses if Nadal loses?

I'm not into making excuses...I'm into observing reality.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


     
Date: 30 Jan 2009 23:01:54
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >
> >> kaennorsing wrote:
> >>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>> Aimless wrote:
> >>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had
> >>>>> only
> >>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
> >>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
> >>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
> >>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
> >>> the speedy clay in Rome?
> >> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
> >> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
> >> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
> >
> > But no excuses if Nadal loses?
>
> I'm not into making excuses...I'm into observing reality.

Blisters don't just happen:) I take it you've never played tennis?


      
Date: 31 Jan 2009 01:25:06
From: TT
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> jdeluise wrote:
>>> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> kaennorsing wrote:
>>>>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Aimless wrote:
>>>>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>>>>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
>>>>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.
>>>>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
>>>>> the speedy clay in Rome?
>>>> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
>>>> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
>>>> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
>>> But no excuses if Nadal loses?
>> I'm not into making excuses...I'm into observing reality.
>
> Blisters don't just happen:) I take it you've never played tennis?

Your comment has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Be sure
next time you understand post you're replying to.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


       
Date: 30 Jan 2009 23:31:46
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >
> >> jdeluise wrote:
> >>> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> kaennorsing wrote:
> >>>>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Aimless wrote:
> >>>>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has
> >>>>>>>had
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
> >>>>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on
> >>>>>> clay.
> >>>>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero and
> >>>>> the speedy clay in Rome?
> >>>> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona final
> >>>> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
> >>>> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
> >>> But no excuses if Nadal loses?
> >> I'm not into making excuses...I'm into observing reality.
> >
> > Blisters don't just happen:) I take it you've never played tennis?
>
> Your comment has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Be sure
> next time you understand post you're replying to.

In your observation, has Nadal ever lost fair and square?


        
Date: 31 Jan 2009 01:36:16
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> jdeluise wrote:
>> > On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> jdeluise wrote:
>> >>> On 30-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> kaennorsing wrote:
>> >>>>> On 30 jan, 22:43, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Aimless wrote:
>> >>>>>>> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has
>> >>>>>>>had
>> >>>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after
>> >>>>>>> tomorrow.
>> >>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.
>> >>>>>> At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on
>> >>>>>> clay.
>> >>>>> So not due to fatigue then? Or was it fatigue, blisters, Ferrero
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> the speedy clay in Rome?
>> >>>> My point was that outside Nadal looked good after the Barcelona
>> >>>> final
>> >>>> but it did cause him being more than 100% later on...So we shouldn't
>> >>>> underestimate slugfest that took 5+ hours.
>> >>> But no excuses if Nadal loses?
>> >> I'm not into making excuses...I'm into observing reality.
>> >
>> > Blisters don't just happen:) I take it you've never played tennis?
>>
>> Your comment has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Be sure
>> next time you understand post you're replying to.
>
> In your observation, has Nadal ever lost fair and square?


Small matches or the big ones?

For exmple, there is no excuse for his recent loss against Monfils. But that
hardly matters.

We was beaten fair and square by Tsonga last year if you like to discuss big
matches?


It's so rare that both great players play great matches and that we get
matches like Wimbledon final 08 where only details made the difference.
The problem with these top players like Nadal is that in most cases, in
order to lose, they have to be somewhat off. Even against the very best.
See what happened to Federer at FO.
So that can always be used an excuse if someone wants.


Like Murray's win over Nadal. Clean as a baby's face.
But it's laughable to say Nadal was at 100% of his physical/mental in that
match.


If Fed wins in Sunday he's earned it, no doubt. But luck did served him well
in this tournament.




         
Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:15:45
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

On 30-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> Small matches or the big ones?
>
> For exmple, there is no excuse for his recent loss against Monfils. But
> that
> hardly matters.
>
> We was beaten fair and square by Tsonga last year if you like to discuss
> big
> matches?
>
>
> It's so rare that both great players play great matches and that we get
> matches like Wimbledon final 08 where only details made the difference.
> The problem with these top players like Nadal is that in most cases, in
> order to lose, they have to be somewhat off. Even against the very best.
> See what happened to Federer at FO.
> So that can always be used an excuse if someone wants.
>

I agree with what you say here except I don't think playing less than 100%
should be used as an excuse since we know that most players are unable to
play peak at will. The way Nadal plays his game he better be near 100% when
he plays top players lest he will lose. He doesn't have much to fall back
on as he is overall a defensive player (not saying he is 100% defensive by
any means but he's willing to do the lion share of running).

>
> Like Murray's win over Nadal. Clean as a baby's face.
> But it's laughable to say Nadal was at 100% of his physical/mental in that
>
> match.
>
>
> If Fed wins in Sunday he's earned it, no doubt. But luck did served him
> well
> in this tournament.

That is a backhanded compliment if ever I've heard one. It sounds like
you're saying he earned it if he wins it, but really only because of luck.


          
Date: 31 Jan 2009 02:20:12
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> On 30-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> Small matches or the big ones?
>>
>> For exmple, there is no excuse for his recent loss against Monfils. But
>> that
>> hardly matters.
>>
>> We was beaten fair and square by Tsonga last year if you like to discuss
>> big
>> matches?
>>
>>
>> It's so rare that both great players play great matches and that we get
>> matches like Wimbledon final 08 where only details made the difference.
>> The problem with these top players like Nadal is that in most cases, in
>> order to lose, they have to be somewhat off. Even against the very best.
>> See what happened to Federer at FO.
>> So that can always be used an excuse if someone wants.
>>
>
> I agree with what you say here except I don't think playing less than 100%
> should be used as an excuse since we know that most players are unable to
> play peak at will. The way Nadal plays his game he better be near 100%
> when
> he plays top players lest he will lose. He doesn't have much to fall back
> on as he is overall a defensive player (not saying he is 100% defensive by
> any means but he's willing to do the lion share of running).
>
>>
>> Like Murray's win over Nadal. Clean as a baby's face.
>> But it's laughable to say Nadal was at 100% of his physical/mental in
>> that
>>
>> match.
>>
>>
>> If Fed wins in Sunday he's earned it, no doubt. But luck did served him
>> well
>> in this tournament.
>
> That is a backhanded compliment if ever I've heard one. It sounds like
> you're saying he earned it if he wins it, but really only because of luck.


No. I am not a "whiner" type, and also I don't belive in being "lucky" or
"unlucky".
It's just the way dice falls. Sometimes it kisses you, sometims it doesn't.
But it's there and you have to deal with it.

To win a slam, all things must work in your favour. Even those beyond your
power.
For Federer it's working very well so far.

He had a nice draw, avoided Murray in the semis, and got a physically
fragile Djokovic who even couldn't stand the heat in Roddick match so
Federer got a free pass in the semis.
Had tough match against Berdych but who stopped playing after 2-0. Also that
feeble-minded Del Potro who isn't any near to Simon's level in mental
departmentt..he were prepared to fight much more.

Nadal also potentially got Murray, and not even that but he had to play
againt a guy who's been hotter than Murray in this tournament.
Also surely you agree there are only two things that could be said when it
comes to schedule, "Federer is being favorized to have 1 day of rest more,
or was it simply a coincedence, a luck"?

Last year that was given to Nadal, Nadal could have grinded 5 hours with
Tsonga and would have probably beaten Djokovic in the final.
Tthis year Roger has that exra day advantage. Nothing unfair about it. But
he does have it and it works in his favour this time.





 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 23:43:18
From: TT
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
Aimless wrote:
> is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had only
> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I
> can play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The
> guy is 22 I think you're underestimating his body.

At Barcelona final 2008 Nadal played on clay against David Ferrer and
the match was best of 3 and physically very tough.

Nadal lost due blisters few days later at Rome to Ferrero...on clay.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 11:16:24
From:
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 5:12=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:15=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:03, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has =
had only
> > > ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but=
I can
> > > play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The gu=
y is 22
> > > I think you're underestimating his body.
>
> > The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> > posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> > supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> > an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> > that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> > finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> > dissonance to it, no?
>
> > That said, I think Nadal will probably win.
>
> I think Fed would have to play a poor match to lose it. Their typical
> encounters on fast courts have always
> been close or comfortable wins for Fed, so no reason to think Nadal's
> going to win in straights.

This court's not particularly fast though, is it?





 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 10:04:45
From:
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 12:39=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> > posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> > supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> > an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> > that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> > finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> > dissonance to it, no?
>
> > That said, I think Nadal will probably win.
>
> Nadal thinks that fatigue might be a factor ...
>
> =A0Q. How exciting is it for you to finally play Federer in a Grand Slam
> on hard court?
>
> RAFAEL NADAL: Well, always is - I don't know - special play against
> Federer any match, no? You play another final of Grand Slam is more
> exciting, no?
>
> Little bit unlucky. Don't know how I gonna be for the final. I gonna
> try my best for sure for recover my body and my physical performance.
> But, you know, after one match like this, the next days you feel much
> heavier, no?

Yes, and in the same interview he said he wishes the opponent were
different.

I think Fed's going to be smelling blood like in that Hamburg final.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:39:22
From:
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
>
> The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> dissonance to it, no?
>
> That said, I think Nadal will probably win.

Nadal thinks that fatigue might be a factor ...

Q. How exciting is it for you to finally play Federer in a Grand Slam
on hard court?

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, always is - I don't know - special play against
Federer any match, no? You play another final of Grand Slam is more
exciting, no?

Little bit unlucky. Don't know how I gonna be for the final. I gonna
try my best for sure for recover my body and my physical performance.
But, you know, after one match like this, the next days you feel much
heavier, no?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:15:05
From:
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 12:12=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:15=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:03, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has =
had only
> > > ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but=
I can
> > > play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The gu=
y is 22
> > > I think you're underestimating his body.
>
> > The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> > posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> > supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> > an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> > that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> > finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> > dissonance to it, no?
>
> > That said, I think Nadal will probably win.
>
> I think Fed would have to play a poor match to lose it. Their typical
> encounters on fast courts have always
> been close or comfortable wins for Fed, so no reason to think Nadal's
> going to win in straights.
>
> The longer it goes it has to favor Fed I would think.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, before some Fed hater responds, let me point out that Nadal did
beat Fed 6-3, 6-3 on hard
the first time they played. How could I forget? I was sitting in the
stands!

Was I the only one in rst who was there in person for the start of one
of the great rivalries in tennis history?


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:12:06
From:
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 11:15=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:03, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has ha=
d only
> > ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I=
can
> > play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The guy =
is 22
> > I think you're underestimating his body.
>
> The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> dissonance to it, no?
>
> That said, I think Nadal will probably win.

I think Fed would have to play a poor match to lose it. Their typical
encounters on fast courts have always
been close or comfortable wins for Fed, so no reason to think Nadal's
going to win in straights.

The longer it goes it has to favor Fed I would think.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:07:36
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 4:03=A0pm, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had =
only
> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I c=
an
> play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The guy is=
22
> I think you're underestimating his body.

you are not playing anywhere near the same level of intensity though
are you dumbass??

I bet if you had played like Nadal had today you wouldn't recover so
quick.



  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 18:25:08
From: Aimless
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

"Professor X" <suebokaian@hotmail.com > wrote in message

>you are not playing anywhere near the same level of intensity though
>are you dumbass??

Yes but then again without any physical training at all.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:49:54
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 8:18=A0am, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> "robin" <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
> >posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
> >supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
> >an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
> >that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
> >finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
> >dissonance to it, no?
>
> I kind of agree.
>
> >That said, I think Nadal will probably win.
>
> I kind of agree here, too. I just came to the point where I don't trust
> Federer's psyche if he's playing nadull.

++ And if Feds were to lose he will be mentally fried against Nadal
for the year and maybe ever after... make that just ever after :)

P



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:15:39
From: robin
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On 30 Jan, 16:03, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday. Remember that Nadal has had =
only
> ONE tough match. He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I c=
an
> play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow. The guy is=
22
> I think you're underestimating his body.

The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
dissonance to it, no?

That said, I think Nadal will probably win.


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:18:35
From: Aimless
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...

"robin" <robinson.neil@gmail.com > wrote in message
>The 'fatigue factor' is simply the attempt of a certain group of
>posters to cover their asses if Nadal ends up losing. Djokovic was
>supposed to knock Federer out before the final. When his run came to
>an inauspicious end, they became somewhat concerned about predictions
>that Federer definitely finished due to the new guns. A definitely
>finished player winning the last two slams seems to have a certain
>dissonance to it, no?

I kind of agree.

>That said, I think Nadal will probably win.

I kind of agree here, too. I just came to the point where I don't trust
Federer's psyche if he's playing nadull.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:11:55
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
On Jan 30, 11:03=A0am, "Aimless" <creepingcuriously9...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> =A0 =A0 is gonna be a huge factor on sunday

"Huge" factor, probably not. Factor, probably, especially if the match
goes to four or five sets.

> Remember that Nadal has had only
> ONE tough match

Yes, but it was extraordinarily tough, and it was the match
immediately preceding the final. That scenario can be hard on anyone.

> He is a professional athlete. I certainly am not but I can
> play 3 hours today and then play again the day after tomorrow.

The question isn't whether he can play -- it's whether he can play at
his very highest level for as long as necessary. We'll see.

Joe Ramirez



  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:13:41
From: Aimless
Subject: Re: I do not think fatigue ...
I agree it will be a factor if the match goes to the fourth or the fifth set
but if Federer shits his pants early in the match and Nadal can smell his
flesh it's gonna be tough for Rodger.