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Date: 16 Jan 2009 05:03:28
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Is Jankovic fit or what?
I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
the articles I've read.




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 12:35:56
From: John P
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
the Wall Street Journal wrote:

"Jelena Jankovic comes in [to the AO] recuperating from a mysterious
virus that forced her to pull out of Hong Kong event last week."



  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 07:39:16
From:
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
In article <14160-497216FC-1850@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net >,
JTPDC@webtv.net (John P) wrote:

>
> the Wall Street Journal wrote:
>
> "Jelena Jankovic comes in [to the AO] recuperating from a mysterious
> virus that forced her to pull out of Hong Kong event last week."
>

Yep.

wg


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 19:19:59
From: b
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 11:41 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 16, 10:31 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 9:19 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
> > > > > the articles I've read.
>
> > > > that's her usual mode
> > > > if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> > > > over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> > > > hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> > > Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> > > two sets at last year's USO.
>
> > > It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> > > final and Safina seems to me to be
> > > just an overachiever.
>
> > > Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> > > to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)
>
> > hmm I think Safina has great potential and is actually an
> > underachiever...... Otherwise, perhaps either zvonareva or bartoli
> > will pull off a massive upset.... Actually I just noticed Safina is
> > opening against Alla - what a booby trap.... Jankovic definitely has
> > the best draw so for that reason alone you can be quite hopeful.....
>
> > Serena's draw is pretty stacked against her, ditto Venus - but she was
> > playing very well in Hong Kong- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Really? She seems to be sort of a Vaidisova type. A lot of power much
> not much natural flair
> for the game.
>
> She does seem to be much more committed to the sport and more focused
> than her brother, but I'm not
> sure if that in and of itself is going to take her that far.

You mean a Sharapova type ;-), right?

Actually I think Safina's playing style is closer to Davenport and
Ivanovic and that she could go really far..... and she's made a lot
of improvemnts to her game... as already noted in wendy's(?) reply
Also Safina's already been in the FO final so she has the experience
to get her past first final frights.


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 08:41:10
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 10:31=A0am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 16, 9:19 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO fr=
om
> > > > the articles I've read.
>
> > > that's her usual mode
> > > if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> > > over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> > > hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> > Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> > two sets at last year's USO.
>
> > It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> > final and Safina seems to me to be
> > just an overachiever.
>
> > Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> > to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)
>
> hmm I think Safina has great potential and is actually an
> underachiever...... Otherwise, perhaps either zvonareva or bartoli
> will pull off a massive upset.... Actually I just noticed Safina is
> opening against Alla - what a booby trap.... Jankovic definitely has
> the best draw so for that reason alone you can be quite hopeful.....
>
> Serena's draw is pretty stacked against her, ditto Venus - but she was
> playing very well in Hong Kong- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Really? She seems to be sort of a Vaidisova type. A lot of power much
not much natural flair
for the game.

She does seem to be much more committed to the sport and more focused
than her brother, but I'm not
sure if that in and of itself is going to take her that far.


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 07:40:26
From:
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
In article
<89ec4fee-30fc-44a2-a774-5f7341ecc7b7@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com >,
jason-catlin@hotmail.com (Jason Catlin) wrote:

>
> She does seem to be much more committed to the sport and more
> focused
> than her brother, but I'm not
> sure if that in and of itself is going to take her that far.

A few years ago, exactly the opposite was true.

wg


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 07:31:43
From: b
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 9:19 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
> > > the articles I've read.
>
> > that's her usual mode
> > if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> > over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> > hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> two sets at last year's USO.
>
> It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> final and Safina seems to me to be
> just an overachiever.
>
> Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)


hmm I think Safina has great potential and is actually an
underachiever...... Otherwise, perhaps either zvonareva or bartoli
will pull off a massive upset.... Actually I just noticed Safina is
opening against Alla - what a booby trap.... Jankovic definitely has
the best draw so for that reason alone you can be quite hopeful.....

Serena's draw is pretty stacked against her, ditto Venus - but she was
playing very well in Hong Kong


  
Date: 16 Jan 2009 19:15:53
From: b
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 7:37 pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <b4c8b5ef-e91e-48cb-8cb9-ead31b243...@e10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> butterflyy...@gmail.com (b) wrote:
> > Serena's draw is pretty stacked against her, ditto Venus - but she
> > was
> > playing very well in Hong Kong
>
> She lost to Dementieva in Sydney and has a taped right ankle she was
> fussing with during the match.
>
> wg


I think perhaps my reply wasn't understood - I wasn't touting Serena's
chances. I meant Venus was playing well and had a good chance despite
Penetta in her quarter (as well as Dementieva). If Venus plays well as
she did in Hong Kong it will be very difficult to beat her. I wouldn't
be too shocked if Serena ran into problems with Mauresmo. If M is
playing well she's a very dangerous floater.

Serena is apparently trying to hide an ankle injury (i.e. she says
she's not injured but she's bandaged, doesn't move well and her father
mentioned her ankle when discussing her chances). It really wouldn't
have helped for her to admit the injury, anyay - the headlines would
have been entirely about how she blamed the loss on injury.

I agree with you that D has a great chance but she doesn't seem to
completely believe it - so that's a loss..... When asked to pick the
AO favourite she said Safina. There's no good reason she shouldn't
consider herself a favourite, but apparently she doesn't.



   
Date: 17 Jan 2009 07:40:27
From:
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
In article
<fde6af18-b048-4db5-8151-cabf9afa7427@l37g2000vba.googlegroups.com >,
butterflyyear@gmail.com (b) wrote:

>
> I think perhaps my reply wasn't understood - I wasn't touting
> Serena's
> chances. I meant Venus was playing well and had a good chance
> despite
> Penetta in her quarter (as well as Dementieva). If Venus plays well

Ah, *Venus*. Maybe. The courts ought to suit her better than Rebound Ace
did. But she's never done much early in the year - her patch has
traditionally been Wimbledon through the US Open. Not that she can't
change - she did finally win the YECs for the first time last year.

> as
> she did in Hong Kong it will be very difficult to beat her. I
> wouldn't
> be too shocked if Serena ran into problems with Mauresmo. If M is
> playing well she's a very dangerous floater.

I think so, too.

>
> Serena is apparently trying to hide an ankle injury (i.e. she says
> she's not injured but she's bandaged, doesn't move well and her
> father
> mentioned her ankle when discussing her chances). It really wouldn't
> have helped for her to admit the injury, anyay - the headlines would
> have been entirely about how she blamed the loss on injury.

Yes. But I thought when I saw her play Dementieva at Sydney that her foot
was a problem. Although ED might have won anyway; she's beaten SW 3x in a
row.

>
> I agree with you that D has a great chance but she doesn't seem to
> completely believe it - so that's a loss..... When asked to pick the
> AO favourite she said Safina. There's no good reason she shouldn't
> consider herself a favourite, but apparently she doesn't.
>

I wouldn't read much into that. Lots of players don't like to think ahead
in their draw. Also, Dementieva is an unusually lovely personality (for
the tennis tour), and I'm not surprised if she names others before
herself. I also think she's asmart enough not to want to add to the
pressure on herself. But any time you win the two warm-up titles on the
way in you have to feel good about your chances. She's always said how
much she wants to win a Slam and be #1, so I'm sure the desire and
ambition are there. She's beaten Safina in the last two finals they've
played, so she can't seriously think if they met in a final that she
couldn't win, even though she choked badly in the two Slam finals she
*did* play.

wg


    
Date: 17 Jan 2009 14:25:01
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:40:27 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article
><fde6af18-b048-4db5-8151-cabf9afa7427@l37g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>butterflyyear@gmail.com (b) wrote:
>
>>
>> I think perhaps my reply wasn't understood - I wasn't touting
>> Serena's
>> chances. I meant Venus was playing well and had a good chance
>> despite
>> Penetta in her quarter (as well as Dementieva). If Venus plays well
>
>Ah, *Venus*. Maybe. The courts ought to suit her better than Rebound Ace
>did. But she's never done much early in the year - her patch has
>traditionally been Wimbledon through the US Open. Not that she can't
>change - she did finally win the YECs for the first time last year.
>
>> as
>> she did in Hong Kong it will be very difficult to beat her. I
>> wouldn't
>> be too shocked if Serena ran into problems with Mauresmo. If M is
>> playing well she's a very dangerous floater.
>
>I think so, too.
>
>>
>> Serena is apparently trying to hide an ankle injury (i.e. she says
>> she's not injured but she's bandaged, doesn't move well and her
>> father
>> mentioned her ankle when discussing her chances). It really wouldn't
>> have helped for her to admit the injury, anyay - the headlines would
>> have been entirely about how she blamed the loss on injury.
>
>Yes. But I thought when I saw her play Dementieva at Sydney that her foot
>was a problem. Although ED might have won anyway; she's beaten SW 3x in a
>row.
>
>>
>> I agree with you that D has a great chance but she doesn't seem to
>> completely believe it - so that's a loss..... When asked to pick the
>> AO favourite she said Safina. There's no good reason she shouldn't
>> consider herself a favourite, but apparently she doesn't.
>>
>
>I wouldn't read much into that. Lots of players don't like to think ahead
>in their draw. Also, Dementieva is an unusually lovely personality (for
>the tennis tour), and I'm not surprised if she names others before
>herself. I also think she's asmart enough not to want to add to the
>pressure on herself. But any time you win the two warm-up titles on the
>way in you have to feel good about your chances. She's always said how
>much she wants to win a Slam and be #1, so I'm sure the desire and
>ambition are there. She's beaten Safina in the last two finals they've
>played, so she can't seriously think if they met in a final that she
>couldn't win, even though she choked badly in the two Slam finals she
>*did* play.
>
>wg


my pick exactly. dementieva defeats safina.


  
Date: 16 Jan 2009 18:37:49
From:
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
In article
<b4c8b5ef-e91e-48cb-8cb9-ead31b243ccf@e10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com >,
butterflyyear@gmail.com (b) wrote:


> Serena's draw is pretty stacked against her, ditto Venus - but she
> was
> playing very well in Hong Kong

She lost to Dementieva in Sydney and has a taped right ankle she was
fussing with during the match.

wg


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 06:24:32
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 9:21=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Jason Catlin wrote:
> > On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
> >>> the articles I've read.
> >> that's her usual mode
> >> if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> >> over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> >> hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> > Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> > two sets at last year's USO.
>
> > It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> > final and Safina seems to me to be
> > just an overachiever.
>
> > Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> > to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)
>
> Wassup with Venus?
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Other side of the draw.


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 06:19:56
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 9:12=A0am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
> > the articles I've read.
>
> that's her usual mode
> if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive

Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
two sets at last year's USO.

It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
final and Safina seems to me to be
just an overachiever.

Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 06:33:32
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 7:37=A0pm, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <0487e681-435c-40ed-8bd8-656afd66a...@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jason-cat...@hotmail.com (Jason Catlin) wrote:
> > On Jan 16, 9:12=A0am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the
> > > AO from
> > > > the articles I've read.
>
> > > that's her usual mode
> > > if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> > > over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> > > hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> > Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> > two sets at last year's USO.
>
> Yes, although Wozniacki is still pretty young and still growing into her
> game. She could take out someone serious, I think, though I don't expect
> her to go beyond that if she does it.
>
>
>
> > It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> > final and Safina seems to me to be
> > just an overachiever.
>
> I wouldn't go that far. She has a *lot* of power, and now she's improved
> her fitness and speed she's a genuine threat.
>
>
>
> > Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> > to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)
>
> Probably Jankovic in that half, yes.
>
> But there's enough openness in the draw that this could be Dementieva's
> chance!
>
> wg

OK, thanks for the input. I'll go with Jankovic to make the final in
Hops' contest.


  
Date: 16 Jan 2009 18:37:49
From:
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
In article
<0487e681-435c-40ed-8bd8-656afd66ae6f@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com >,
jason-catlin@hotmail.com (Jason Catlin) wrote:

> On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the
> > AO from
> > > the articles I've read.
> >
> > that's her usual mode
> > if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
> > over the last year you'll notice a pattern
> > hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> two sets at last year's USO.

Yes, although Wozniacki is still pretty young and still growing into her
game. She could take out someone serious, I think, though I don't expect
her to go beyond that if she does it.

>
> It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> final and Safina seems to me to be
> just an overachiever.

I wouldn't go that far. She has a *lot* of power, and now she's improved
her fitness and speed she's a genuine threat.

>
> Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)

Probably Jankovic in that half, yes.

But there's enough openness in the draw that this could be Dementieva's
chance!

wg


  
Date: 16 Jan 2009 16:21:08
From: TT
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 16, 9:12 am, b <butterflyy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
>>> the articles I've read.
>> that's her usual mode
>> if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
>> over the last year you'll notice a pattern
>> hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive
>
> Wozniacki is intriguing but Jankovic easily handled her in the last
> two sets at last year's USO.
>
> It just seems to be a stretch for Ivanovic to make it back to the AO
> final and Safina seems to me to be
> just an overachiever.
>
> Zvonareva can be an emotional basket case. So I'm left with Jankovic
> to make the final. Probably jinxing her ;-)

Wassup with Venus?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 06:12:40
From: b
Subject: Re: Is Jankovic fit or what?
On Jan 16, 8:03 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I can't seem to figure out how she's feeling heading into the AO from
> the articles I've read.

that's her usual mode
if you look back at her pre-slam/big event comments/press releases
over the last year you'll notice a pattern
hard to see why she wouldn't be competitive