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Date: 01 Feb 2009 05:38:32
From: Raja
Subject: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of the
I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.

When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
cry? Those were real men.




 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 15:26:16
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of the worst kind
Raja wrote:
> I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
> after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> cry? Those were real men.


I knew there would be some repressed ie inhibited homosexual who'd say thing
like that and I assumed you'd be one of them. :)


Ive loved, Ive laughed and cried.
Ive had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.


Real men do cry. Nothing wrong with that.
Only those uncertain of their masculinity/sexual orientation would bash
someone who lets his emotions go.


Having said that, I don't mean it's ok to cry every day. :)

But at this stage, nothing unusal for him to be blocked for a few
minutes..surounded by all those legends. He probably aimed for CYGS this
year.




 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:24:33
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On 1 f=E9v, 15:07, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:05=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 1, 8:00=A0am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Cry=
ing
> > > > > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > > > > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lend=
l
> > > > > cry? Those were real men.
>
> > > > Kindda logical, after all.
> > > > Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> > > > Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> > > > Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxyg=
en
> > > > (?)
> > > > Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> > > > The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> > > > I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> > > > him.
> > > > I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> > > > Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nad=
al.
>
> > > > To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coa=
ch
> > > > (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at th=
e
> > > > 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> > > > Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> > > > For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longe=
r
> > > > matches...
> > > > So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & =
net
> > > > approaches
>
> > > > Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> > > > better than last year, for what I recall.
> > > > He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> > > > nerves breaking his game.
>
> > > > Share & Enjoy,
> > > > Manolo
>
> > > > PS:
> > > > was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> > > > and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> > > > wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
> > > Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
> > > girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.
>
> > Men who never cry are stunted. However, that doesn't mean a breakdown
> > after an athletic contest is warranted.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I will cry if I lose someone dear. Not for a stupid tennis match.

Too late.
Should have your brain working earlier.
By the way, you know that for Federer, at least, this wasn't just a
stupid tennis match.
In fact, it maybe was. But what never will be stupid is the amount of
work & wins it takes to be able to play "that" stupid "final" match.

Tears are mainly emotionnal responses, nothing to be ashamed of.
Showing what was happeninng in his "intimacy" isn't bad. In fact he
did not hide behind some comedian trick.
He did not try to "look better than he was".
What kind of people will find better to hide his feelings than letting
them out?

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:09:15
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On Feb 1, 9:07=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:05=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 1, 8:00=A0am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Cry=
ing
> > > > > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > > > > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lend=
l
> > > > > cry? Those were real men.
>
> > > > Kindda logical, after all.
> > > > Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> > > > Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> > > > Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxyg=
en
> > > > (?)
> > > > Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> > > > The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> > > > I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> > > > him.
> > > > I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> > > > Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nad=
al.
>
> > > > To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coa=
ch
> > > > (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at th=
e
> > > > 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> > > > Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> > > > For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longe=
r
> > > > matches...
> > > > So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & =
net
> > > > approaches
>
> > > > Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> > > > better than last year, for what I recall.
> > > > He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> > > > nerves breaking his game.
>
> > > > Share & Enjoy,
> > > > Manolo
>
> > > > PS:
> > > > was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> > > > and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> > > > wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
> > > Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
> > > girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.
>
> > Men who never cry are stunted. However, that doesn't mean a breakdown
> > after an athletic contest is warranted.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I will cry if I lose someone dear. Not for a stupid tennis match.

Yes, that was my point.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 01 Feb 2009 15:57:23
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of the worst kind

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:84312d36-61be-4858-bcc5-3f0fde38b4ef@m22g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 1, 9:07 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:05 am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 9:01 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 1, 8:00 am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 1 fév, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or
> > > > > Crying
> > > > > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > > > > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> > > > > cry? Those were real men.
>
> > > > Kindda logical, after all.
> > > > Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> > > > Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> > > > Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of
> > > > oxygen
> > > > (?)
> > > > Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> > > > The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> > > > I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> > > > him.
> > > > I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> > > > Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing
> > > > Nadal.
>
> > > > To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a
> > > > coach
> > > > (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
> > > > 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> > > > Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> > > > For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
> > > > matches...
> > > > So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys &
> > > > net
> > > > approaches
>
> > > > Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> > > > better than last year, for what I recall.
> > > > He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> > > > nerves breaking his game.
>
> > > > Share & Enjoy,
> > > > Manolo
>
> > > > PS:
> > > > was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> > > > and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> > > > wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
> > > Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
> > > girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.
>
> > Men who never cry are stunted. However, that doesn't mean a breakdown
> > after an athletic contest is warranted.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I will cry if I lose someone dear. Not for a stupid tennis match.

>Yes, that was my point.


Chemical composition of tears is different when you cry because you :
lost someone, had a baby and cried out of joy, got wounded and it hurt you,
had an emotional let-down after hours of tense and epic fight, miraculously
survived the plane crash, etc.

all good reason to let it out of your system. latent gays like raja believe
it would "uncover them".




 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:07:58
From:
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On Feb 1, 8:05=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 8:00=A0am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Cryin=
g
> > > > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > > > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> > > > cry? Those were real men.
>
> > > Kindda logical, after all.
> > > Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> > > Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> > > Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxygen
> > > (?)
> > > Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> > > The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> > > I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> > > him.
> > > I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> > > Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nadal=
.
>
> > > To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coach
> > > (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
> > > 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> > > Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> > > For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
> > > matches...
> > > So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & ne=
t
> > > approaches
>
> > > Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> > > better than last year, for what I recall.
> > > He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> > > nerves breaking his game.
>
> > > Share & Enjoy,
> > > Manolo
>
> > > PS:
> > > was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> > > and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> > > wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
> > Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
> > girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.
>
> Men who never cry are stunted. However, that doesn't mean a breakdown
> after an athletic contest is warranted.
>
> Joe Ramirez

I will cry if I lose someone dear. Not for a stupid tennis match.



 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:05:21
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:00=A0am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
> > > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> > > cry? Those were real men.
>
> > Kindda logical, after all.
> > Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> > Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> > Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxygen
> > (?)
> > Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> > The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> > I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> > him.
> > I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> > Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nadal.
>
> > To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coach
> > (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
> > 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> > Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> > For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
> > matches...
> > So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & net
> > approaches
>
> > Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> > better than last year, for what I recall.
> > He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> > nerves breaking his game.
>
> > Share & Enjoy,
> > Manolo
>
> > PS:
> > was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> > and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> > wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
> Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
> girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.

Men who never cry are stunted. However, that doesn't mean a breakdown
after an athletic contest is warranted.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:01:55
From:
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On Feb 1, 8:00=A0am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
> > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> > cry? Those were real men.
>
> Kindda logical, after all.
> Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxygen
> (?)
> Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> him.
> I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nadal.
>
> To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coach
> (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
> 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
> matches...
> So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & net
> approaches
>
> Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> better than last year, for what I recall.
> He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> nerves breaking his game.
>
> Share & Enjoy,
> Manolo
>
> PS:
> was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?

Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.



  
Date: 01 Feb 2009 14:52:04
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of the worst kind
<zepfloyes@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:3f11795b-595c-4979-b8f1-cf8c98aa66ce@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 1, 8:00 am, "xami...@gmail.com" <xami...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 1 fév, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
> > after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> > When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> > cry? Those were real men.
>
> Kindda logical, after all.
> Going for such records is so mentally demanding.
>
> Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
> Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxygen
> (?)
> Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.
>
> The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.
>
> I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
> him.
> I think he definetly should hire a coach.
> Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nadal.
>
> To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coach
> (even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
> 08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
> Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
> For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
> matches...
> So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & net
> approaches
>
> Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
> better than last year, for what I recall.
> He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
> nerves breaking his game.
>
> Share & Enjoy,
> Manolo
>
> PS:
> was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
> and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
> wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?
>
>Dont try to change the topic. I am talking about them crying like
>girls. There is no freaking need for that. Real men dont cry.

Rubbish, Pete was dignified in his crying at W2000, when he broke an
incredible historical tennis record.




 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 06:00:30
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Is nt amazing the last two male champions have been wussies of
On 1 f=E9v, 14:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I am talking about Sampras and Federer. Crying after a win or Crying
> after a loss like girls. fuck... horrible to see.
>
> When was the last time you saw Connors or Borg or McEnroe or Lendl
> cry? Those were real men.

Kindda logical, after all.
Going for such records is so mentally demanding.

Pete found it hard too, passing 12.
Had the same "troubles" near the very top, feeling the lack of oxygen
(?)
Yet, he was able to go over this, and put the record further.

The hardest it gets, the most mental it gets.

I still think Federer will go 14, and eventually leave Pete behind
him.
I think he definetly should hire a coach.
Someone he can discuss the weaknesses he is having when playing Nadal.

To me Federer still can win one or two more Wimbledon without a coach
(even facing Nadal, things won't forever go the way they went at the
08Wimby), but the sooner the better.
Federer has to be (re)"converted" to the net game...
For getting older won't make it easier for him to win several longer
matches...
So he better consider very seriously working hard on his volleys & net
approaches

Yet, as a conclusion, I must say that his fitness was *noticeably*
better than last year, for what I recall.
He didn't collapse physically in the fifth, was much more mental/
nerves breaking his game.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo

PS:
was it just me or Roche was clearly sad about his ex-player's loss?
and was it just me again, or Laver was "inspecting" Nadal, like he
wanted to guess if Rafa can go over 14 slams as well?