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Date: 10 Jan 2009 08:59:13
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
Heavy top spinners - owned
Big flattish hitters - owned
Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
a Slam, but
we could be on the verge of that as well.




 
Date: 11 Jan 2009 05:27:16
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 4:42=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 10:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> > a Slam, but
> > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> Nalbandian and Davydenko are tough opponents for Murray IMO...

They were tough opponents back around the time when he was hardly
winning games off of Djoke.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 21:40:51
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On 11 Jan, 01:40, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 10, 10:05=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 10, 3:42=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 10, 10:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > > > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > > > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > > > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed=
in
> > > > a Slam, but
> > > > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> > > Nalbandian and Davydenko are tough opponents for Murray IMO...
>
> > As is Gasquet...
>
> Doubtful - when was the last time they played? Murray is a different
> player in the last few months.

For sure - his court coverage IMO is now almost 2nd to Nadal and hes
doing might good impression of hitting winners stretched on the wide
like him too - even off the forehand.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 17:40:49
From:
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 10:05=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 3:42=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 10, 10:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed i=
n
> > > a Slam, but
> > > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> > Nalbandian and Davydenko are tough opponents for Murray IMO...
>
> As is Gasquet...

Doubtful - when was the last time they played? Murray is a different
player in the last few months.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 09:39:04
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On 10 Jan., 22:59, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> Heavy top spinners - owned
> Big flattish hitters - owned
> Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> a Slam, but
> we could be on the verge of that as well.

Murray generally plays possum. A defensive, reactive game. He usually
lets others dictate the points until he finds a way to slap a surprise
winner with a shot that's 15-20 kmph faster than his average rally
shot. He has only recently recently started to become more aggressive
in certain aspects of his game. Like hitting big serves to get cheap
points. Or hitting heavier forehands to dictate the rally and maybe
come in for a volley. His game is in transition at this moment.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 14:05:59
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 3:42=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 10:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> > a Slam, but
> > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> Nalbandian and Davydenko are tough opponents for Murray IMO...

As is Gasquet...


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 13:42:55
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 10:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> Heavy top spinners - owned
> Big flattish hitters - owned
> Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> a Slam, but
> we could be on the verge of that as well.

Nalbandian and Davydenko are tough opponents for Murray IMO...


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:30:12
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 2:18=A0pm, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "Jason Catlin" <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f994cbd5-e52e-495d-acc5-4538be967ea6@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 10, 1:19 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 9:39 am, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 10 Jan., 22:59, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > > > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > > > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > > > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed=
in
> > > > a Slam, but
> > > > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> > > Murray generally plays possum. A defensive, reactive game. He usually
> > > lets others dictate the points until he finds a way to slap a surpris=
e
> > > winner with a shot that's 15-20 kmph faster than his average rally
> > > shot. He has only recently recently started to become more aggressive
> > > in certain aspects of his game. Like hitting big serves to get cheap
> > > points. Or hitting heavier forehands to dictate the rally and maybe
> > > come in for a volley. His game is in transition at this moment.
>
> > ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
> > quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural head
> > for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
> > court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
> > mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point really
> > tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
> > today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
> > hitting...
>
> >That type of winner discrepancy is perfectly normal in a Roddick
> >match. Baghdatis, Gasquet,
> >Kohlschreiber, etc all hit tons of winners because it's relatively
> >easy to get the ball past Andy.
>
> >That's always ben the biggest thing stopping Roddick from winning
> >more, imo, moreso than court
> >sense and other things people usually talk about. It's just nearly
> >impossible to be a great champion
> >without being a great mover.
>
> Dunno, even today I'd say 50% of Roddick's tactics worked brilliantly and
> 50% were awful/wrongly timed. That time he played Fed at the USO and chan=
ged
> his tactics from the matches before showed me it was a problem. And by th=
e
> way, folks, Murray's always had a big serve, just the consistency
> needed(needs) working on.-

Maybe so, but his relatively poor movement limits his options. He
can't stay back with the elite players
and that's what leads to what are interpreted as bone-headed forays to
the net.

Murray can stay back all day because his court coverage is so great.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:06:40
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 1:19=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 9:39=A0am, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 Jan., 22:59, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed i=
n
> > > a Slam, but
> > > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> > Murray generally plays possum. A defensive, reactive game. He usually
> > lets others dictate the points until he finds a way to slap a surprise
> > winner with a shot that's 15-20 kmph faster than his average rally
> > shot. He has only recently recently started to become more aggressive
> > in certain aspects of his game. Like hitting big serves to get cheap
> > points. Or hitting heavier forehands to dictate the rally and maybe
> > come in for a volley. His game is in transition at this moment.
>
> ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
> quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural head
> for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
> court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
> mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point really
> tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
> today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
> hitting...

That type of winner discrepancy is perfectly normal in a Roddick
match. Baghdatis, Gasquet,
Kohlschreiber, etc all hit tons of winners because it's relatively
easy to get the ball past Andy.

That's always ben the biggest thing stopping Roddick from winning
more, imo, moreso than court
sense and other things people usually talk about. It's just nearly
impossible to be a great champion
without being a great mover.


  
Date: 10 Jan 2009 19:18:25
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
"Jason Catlin" <jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:f994cbd5-e52e-495d-acc5-4538be967ea6@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 10, 1:19 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 9:39 am, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 Jan., 22:59, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> > > a Slam, but
> > > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> > Murray generally plays possum. A defensive, reactive game. He usually
> > lets others dictate the points until he finds a way to slap a surprise
> > winner with a shot that's 15-20 kmph faster than his average rally
> > shot. He has only recently recently started to become more aggressive
> > in certain aspects of his game. Like hitting big serves to get cheap
> > points. Or hitting heavier forehands to dictate the rally and maybe
> > come in for a volley. His game is in transition at this moment.
>
> ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
> quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural head
> for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
> court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
> mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point really
> tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
> today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
> hitting...
>
>That type of winner discrepancy is perfectly normal in a Roddick
>match. Baghdatis, Gasquet,
>Kohlschreiber, etc all hit tons of winners because it's relatively
>easy to get the ball past Andy.
>
>That's always ben the biggest thing stopping Roddick from winning
>more, imo, moreso than court
>sense and other things people usually talk about. It's just nearly
>impossible to be a great champion
>without being a great mover.

Dunno, even today I'd say 50% of Roddick's tactics worked brilliantly and
50% were awful/wrongly timed. That time he played Fed at the USO and changed
his tactics from the matches before showed me it was a problem. And by the
way, folks, Murray's always had a big serve, just the consistency
needed(needs) working on.




   
Date: 11 Jan 2009 17:19:32
From:
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
In article <5w6al.18303$Sp5.16957@text.news.virginmedia.com >,
big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay (Iceberg) wrote:

>
> Dunno, even today I'd say 50% of Roddick's tactics worked
> brilliantly and 50% were awful/wrongly timed. That time he played
> Fed at the USO and changed his tactics from the matches before
> showed me it was a problem. And by the way, folks, Murray's always
> had a big serve, just the consistency needed(needs) working on.

Roddick's topspin approach shots were certainly awful.

wg


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:38:19
From:
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
Nalbandian on HC.

But he is too busy eating these days for Murray to worry about him.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:19:45
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 9:39=A0am, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 10 Jan., 22:59, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> > Heavy top spinners - owned
> > Big flattish hitters - owned
> > Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> > a Slam, but
> > we could be on the verge of that as well.
>
> Murray generally plays possum. A defensive, reactive game. He usually
> lets others dictate the points until he finds a way to slap a surprise
> winner with a shot that's 15-20 kmph faster than his average rally
> shot. He has only recently recently started to become more aggressive
> in certain aspects of his game. Like hitting big serves to get cheap
> points. Or hitting heavier forehands to dictate the rally and maybe
> come in for a volley. His game is in transition at this moment.

++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural head
for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point really
tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
hitting... his ability to relax more and more is making a HUGE
difference in his game... the mental energy he saves is allowing him
to stay within a zone of concentration... big key...

P


  
Date: 10 Jan 2009 21:39:36
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On 11 Jan, 01:34, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <925d9565-10b4-4938-b321-4b922e131...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> pke...@telus.net (Patrick Kehoe) wrote:
>
> > ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
> > quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural
> > head
> > for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
> > court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
> > mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point
> > really
> > tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
> > today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
> > hitting... his ability to relax more and more is making a HUGE
> > difference in his game... the mental energy he saves is allowing him
> > to stay within a zone of concentration... big key...
>
> Murray has said that the toughest player for him to play against is Nadal.
>
> wg

Thats not what I heard , I heard it was Clement .

I dont think hes ever beaten him .


   
Date: 11 Jan 2009 12:06:31
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:39:36 -0800 (PST), ghell666
<matt.tippen@gmail.com > wrote:

>On 11 Jan, 01:34, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article
>> <925d9565-10b4-4938-b321-4b922e131...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> pke...@telus.net (Patrick Kehoe) wrote:
>>
>> > ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
>> > quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural
>> > head
>> > for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
>> > court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
>> > mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point
>> > really
>> > tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
>> > today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
>> > hitting... his ability to relax more and more is making a HUGE
>> > difference in his game... the mental energy he saves is allowing him
>> > to stay within a zone of concentration... big key...
>>
>> Murray has said that the toughest player for him to play against is Nadal.
>>
>> wg
>
>Thats not what I heard , I heard it was Clement .
>
>I dont think hes ever beaten him .


Doohan. You know, the guy whisper thrashed.


  
Date: 10 Jan 2009 19:34:20
From:
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
In article
<925d9565-10b4-4938-b321-4b922e13133b@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
pkehoe@telus.net (Patrick Kehoe) wrote:

>
> ++ His game is reactive and accurate with a developing serving
> quality... great ability to get to returns and he's got a natural
> head
> for tactics shot to shot... he doesn't like being out thought on the
> court... he can be out hit at times and he doesn't seem to mind BUT
> mental errors that lead to bad shot selections and a lost point
> really
> tick him off... he hit a ton of winners for him against Roddick
> today... 31 to 10 against or close to that... man that's some
> hitting... his ability to relax more and more is making a HUGE
> difference in his game... the mental energy he saves is allowing him
> to stay within a zone of concentration... big key...

Murray has said that the toughest player for him to play against is Nadal.

wg


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 09:00:15
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 11:59=A0am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> Heavy top spinners - owned
> Big flattish hitters - owned
> Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> a Slam, but
> we could be on the verge of that as well.

Obviously, let me clarify.

That doesn't mean he can beat Rafa on clay or beat Fed on grass.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 09:03:02
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Is there anyone that Murray doesn't match up well against?
On Jan 10, 4:59=A0pm, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Huge servers like Roddick, Karlovic - owned
> Heavy top spinners - owned
> Big flattish hitters - owned
> Multispinning all courters - can't say owned yet until he beats Fed in
> a Slam, but
> we could be on the verge of that as well.

yes, he just made roddick look like a load of crap.