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Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:36:41
From: X L
Subject: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal

Just look how lost Federer looked numerous times on what shot to do
against Nadal. Nadal really gets in this guys head like no other player.
and its pretty obvious from the start of their matches. Federer will
some how have to get over this problem if he keeps meeting him in
finals. its not looking good so far.





 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:34:34
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
"X L" <Xzanado@webtv.net > wrote in message
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>
> Just look how lost Federer looked numerous times on what shot to do
> against Nadal. Nadal really gets in this guys head like no other player.
> and its pretty obvious from the start of their matches. Federer will
> some how have to get over this problem if he keeps meeting him in
> finals. its not looking good so far.

Was never as bad as his look/behaviour in the final game at Doha against
Murray.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 21:58:23
From: zcarenow@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
On Feb 2, 10:32=A0pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Another issue I've noticed with Fed vs. Nadal (on top of his crap ROS
> against Nadal) is the way he handles short balls.
>
> In the match against Nadal, Nadal was offering some soft returns and
> Fed was bunting them back. =A0He doesn't have the same confidence he has
> against other players. =A0Against Roddick, Djokovic, etc., if Fed gets a
> return that's "remotely" soft, he blasts it into the corner to take
> control of the point. =A0Sometimes it's astonishing, because some fo the
> returns are half decent and Fed still treats it like it's shit and
> blasts it with his whipping forehand.
>
> Against Nadal, I see him hitting soft shots even off some of Nadal's
> ultra weak/short returns. =A0Weird.

I do think it is psychological, but Nadal has some nasty spins which
can be tricky so Fed probably is being more careful...or maybe too
careful.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:43:38
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
<zcarenow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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On Feb 2, 10:32 pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Another issue I've noticed with Fed vs. Nadal (on top of his crap ROS
> against Nadal) is the way he handles short balls.
>
> In the match against Nadal, Nadal was offering some soft returns and
> Fed was bunting them back. He doesn't have the same confidence he has
> against other players. Against Roddick, Djokovic, etc., if Fed gets a
> return that's "remotely" soft, he blasts it into the corner to take
> control of the point. Sometimes it's astonishing, because some fo the
> returns are half decent and Fed still treats it like it's shit and
> blasts it with his whipping forehand.
>
> Against Nadal, I see him hitting soft shots even off some of Nadal's
> ultra weak/short returns. Weird.
>
>I do think it is psychological, but Nadal has some nasty spins which
>can be tricky so Fed probably is being more careful...or maybe too
>careful.

that's almost definitely what it is, the ball may come in relatively short
but the topspin knocks Fed back, he has no option but to hit a soft shot
back. A couple of years ago I had a big topspin fh (have toned it down to
hit with more consistency nowadays) and often opponents far better than
myself would be knocked back by it and hit soft shots back, if only I'd been
experienced enough to take more advantage of it, oh well.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:32:39
From: Lax
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
Another issue I've noticed with Fed vs. Nadal (on top of his crap ROS
against Nadal) is the way he handles short balls.

In the match against Nadal, Nadal was offering some soft returns and
Fed was bunting them back. He doesn't have the same confidence he has
against other players. Against Roddick, Djokovic, etc., if Fed gets a
return that's "remotely" soft, he blasts it into the corner to take
control of the point. Sometimes it's astonishing, because some fo the
returns are half decent and Fed still treats it like it's shit and
blasts it with his whipping forehand.

Against Nadal, I see him hitting soft shots even off some of Nadal's
ultra weak/short returns. Weird.



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:09:57
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal

On 2-Feb-2009, Lax <Lax.Clarke@gmail.com > wrote:

> Another issue I've noticed with Fed vs. Nadal (on top of his crap ROS
> against Nadal) is the way he handles short balls.
>
> In the match against Nadal, Nadal was offering some soft returns and
> Fed was bunting them back. He doesn't have the same confidence he has
> against other players. Against Roddick, Djokovic, etc., if Fed gets a
> return that's "remotely" soft, he blasts it into the corner to take
> control of the point. Sometimes it's astonishing, because some fo the
> returns are half decent and Fed still treats it like it's shit and
> blasts it with his whipping forehand.
>
> Against Nadal, I see him hitting soft shots even off some of Nadal's
> ultra weak/short returns. Weird.

So basically Fed has no nuts and Nadal is benefiting from a clown era? ;)


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 05:03:18
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
"Lax" <Lax.Clarke@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Another issue I've noticed with Fed vs. Nadal (on top of his crap ROS
> against Nadal) is the way he handles short balls.
>
> In the match against Nadal, Nadal was offering some soft returns and
> Fed was bunting them back. He doesn't have the same confidence he has
> against other players. Against Roddick, Djokovic, etc., if Fed gets a
> return that's "remotely" soft, he blasts it into the corner to take
> control of the point. Sometimes it's astonishing, because some fo the
> returns are half decent and Fed still treats it like it's shit and
> blasts it with his whipping forehand.
>
> Against Nadal, I see him hitting soft shots even off some of Nadal's
> ultra weak/short returns. Weird.
>


It's purely psychological, since he has a positive GS H2H against everyone
else.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:26:06
From:
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
On Feb 2, 10:03=A0pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:

> Exactly, I was saying to myself a dozen times *fuck this* on the latest
> insane retrieval or winner from Nadal. It's like what else can Federer do
> except hit a winner-type shot? Stand on his head?

Even though Wimbledon is the more coveted title, and it was hard for
Federer to lose last year, I get the impression that psychologically
this loss was far more devastating for Federer. He had nearly six
months to get ready for the matchup and was well-rested while Nadal
was supposed to be worn-out. So yes, what else can he do? The only
thing I can think of is what some have suggested--get some expert HELP
to close the gap. He can afford a "dream team" of fitness trainers,
former champions, sports psychologists, etc. Why not get himself
refurbished?


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 13:23:54
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
X L wrote:
> Just look how lost Federer looked numerous times on what shot to do
> against Nadal. Nadal really gets in this guys head like no other
> player.

He does, but I think the main reason for it is Nadal's actual tennis. It's his
incredible retrieving followed by a brilliant winner in points he had earlier
seemed certain to lose. There are only so many of those that that a man can
take.




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:03:58
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: It looks to be a mental problem against Nadal
"DavidW" <no@email.provided > wrote in message
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>X L wrote:
>> Just look how lost Federer looked numerous times on what shot to do
>> against Nadal. Nadal really gets in this guys head like no other
>> player.
>
> He does, but I think the main reason for it is Nadal's actual tennis. It's
> his incredible retrieving followed by a brilliant winner in points he had
> earlier seemed certain to lose. There are only so many of those that that
> a man can take.
>
>


Exactly, I was saying to myself a dozen times *fuck this* on the latest
insane retrieval or winner from Nadal. It's like what else can Federer do
except hit a winner-type shot? Stand on his head?