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Date: 21 Jan 2009 09:56:54
From: Professor X
Subject: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3 in
or even much sooner than that.

Points: Djokovic 10650
Points: Murray 7190

Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
Aus Open: 2000
Dubai: 270
Indian Wells: 1000
Miami: 10
Hamburg: 450
Rome: 1000
Monte Carlo: 450
RGarros: 900
Queens: 310

a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Points Murray has to defend before wimby
Aus Open 10
Marseille: 400
Dubai: 150
Indian Wells: 150
Miami: 10
Monte Carlo: 150
Rome: 70
Hamburg: 150
Rgarros: 150
Queens: 110

Total: 1340 points, under 1/5th of djokos total.

Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
one place up in the rankings at some point this year.









 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 11:26:42
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3
On Jan 21, 10:56=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> or even much sooner than that.
>
> Points: Djokovic 10650
> Points: Murray 7190
>
> Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
> Aus Open: 2000
> Dubai: 270
> Indian Wells: 1000
> Miami: 10
> Hamburg: 450
> Rome: 1000
> Monte Carlo: 450
> RGarros: 900
> Queens: 310
>
> a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-- -----------------------

>
> Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
> one place up in the rankings at some point this year.

History is also against Djoker: he has not defended one, repeat
one
of the titles he has won. So he is likely to lose 4000 points
(well, at
least half of them) from just AO, Miami & Rome.


  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 22:02:59
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3 in the world come wimbledon

"ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:63ea318c-be20-4bcf-9959-fe512de5b2f6@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 10:56 pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> or even much sooner than that.
>
> Points: Djokovic 10650
> Points: Murray 7190
>
> Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
> Aus Open: 2000
> Dubai: 270
> Indian Wells: 1000
> Miami: 10
> Hamburg: 450
> Rome: 1000
> Monte Carlo: 450
> RGarros: 900
> Queens: 310
>
> a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------

>
> Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
> one place up in the rankings at some point this year.

History is also against Djoker: he has not defended one, repeat
one
of the titles he has won. So he is likely to lose 4000 points
(well, at
least half of them) from just AO, Miami & Rome.

***

Agassi defended only 1 slam, Courier 2.




   
Date: 21 Jan 2009 21:07:09
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3 in the world come wimbledon

On 21-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> "ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63ea318c-be20-4bcf-9959-fe512de5b2f6@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 10:56 pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > or even much sooner than that.
> >
> > Points: Djokovic 10650
> > Points: Murray 7190
> >
> > Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
> > Aus Open: 2000
> > Dubai: 270
> > Indian Wells: 1000
> > Miami: 10
> > Hamburg: 450
> > Rome: 1000
> > Monte Carlo: 450
> > RGarros: 900
> > Queens: 310
> >
> > a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > -----------------------
>
> >
> > Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
> > one place up in the rankings at some point this year.
>
> History is also against Djoker: he has not defended one, repeat
> one
> of the titles he has won. So he is likely to lose 4000 points
> (well, at
> least half of them) from just AO, Miami & Rome.
>
> ***
>
> Agassi defended only 1 slam, Courier 2.

But Djoke hasn't defended a single title, slam or otherwise.


    
Date: 21 Jan 2009 22:22:28
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3 in the world come wimbledon

"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:58Mdl.6287$ts4.2866@newsfe06.iad...
>
> On 21-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> "ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:63ea318c-be20-4bcf-9959-fe512de5b2f6@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 21, 10:56 pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > or even much sooner than that.
>> >
>> > Points: Djokovic 10650
>> > Points: Murray 7190
>> >
>> > Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
>> > Aus Open: 2000
>> > Dubai: 270
>> > Indian Wells: 1000
>> > Miami: 10
>> > Hamburg: 450
>> > Rome: 1000
>> > Monte Carlo: 450
>> > RGarros: 900
>> > Queens: 310
>> >
>> > a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > -----------------------
>>
>> >
>> > Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
>> > one place up in the rankings at some point this year.
>>
>> History is also against Djoker: he has not defended one, repeat
>> one
>> of the titles he has won. So he is likely to lose 4000 points
>> (well, at
>> least half of them) from just AO, Miami & Rome.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Agassi defended only 1 slam, Courier 2.
>
> But Djoke hasn't defended a single title, slam or otherwise.

I really don't think it's any relevant.
He won only 11 tournaments so far, but he won a slam, YEC and a three MS
titles.
HE's proven he can win big titles.

And since he won 11 titles, but 4 in the last 12 months, it means that so
far he's had the oportunity to defend only 7 titles.

So..not defending single title out of 7, so far, isn't such a big deal.
Especially when you consider the fact that couple of those titles were small
tune-up which he didn't play anyway in the following year during the time he
was ascending the rankings.

So the exact number is even less than 7.


1. His first title was Amersfort in 2006, on clay in Netherlands (ATP moved
to Belgrade now). Next year he didn't play it.
2. He second was Metz in autumn 2006, skipped it in 2007.
3. His third was Adelaide in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.
4. Miami in 2007, failed to defend in 2008. OK, but as a side-note he won
Indian Wells in 2008.
5. He won Estoril in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.
6. He won Montreal in 2007, and failed in 2008. Only second time that he
actually failed.
7. Vienna in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.

8-11. - Australian Open 08, Indian Wells 08, Rome 08, and YEC 08 don't
count.


So he failed at defending his title only two times. And both time at MS
events.






     
Date: 21 Jan 2009 21:33:00
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Just thought It is very unlikely that Djokovic will be number 3 in the world come wimbledon

On 21-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:58Mdl.6287$ts4.2866@newsfe06.iad...
> >
> > On 21-Jan-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >
> >> "ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:63ea318c-be20-4bcf-9959-fe512de5b2f6@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jan 21, 10:56 pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > or even much sooner than that.
> >> >
> >> > Points: Djokovic 10650
> >> > Points: Murray 7190
> >> >
> >> > Points to defend before wimbledon Djokovic
> >> > Aus Open: 2000
> >> > Dubai: 270
> >> > Indian Wells: 1000
> >> > Miami: 10
> >> > Hamburg: 450
> >> > Rome: 1000
> >> > Monte Carlo: 450
> >> > RGarros: 900
> >> > Queens: 310
> >> >
> >> > a WHOPPING 6390 points for Djoko to defend before wimbledon
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > -----------------------
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Consequently, It's almost inevitable that Murray will move at least
> >> > one place up in the rankings at some point this year.
> >>
> >> History is also against Djoker: he has not defended one, repeat
> >> one
> >> of the titles he has won. So he is likely to lose 4000 points
> >> (well, at
> >> least half of them) from just AO, Miami & Rome.
> >>
> >> ***
> >>
> >> Agassi defended only 1 slam, Courier 2.
> >
> > But Djoke hasn't defended a single title, slam or otherwise.
>
> I really don't think it's any relevant.
> He won only 11 tournaments so far, but he won a slam, YEC and a three MS
> titles.
> HE's proven he can win big titles.
>
> And since he won 11 titles, but 4 in the last 12 months, it means that so
> far he's had the oportunity to defend only 7 titles.
>
> So..not defending single title out of 7, so far, isn't such a big deal.
> Especially when you consider the fact that couple of those titles were
> small
> tune-up which he didn't play anyway in the following year during the time
> he
> was ascending the rankings.
>
> So the exact number is even less than 7.
>
>
> 1. His first title was Amersfort in 2006, on clay in Netherlands (ATP
> moved
> to Belgrade now). Next year he didn't play it.
> 2. He second was Metz in autumn 2006, skipped it in 2007.
> 3. His third was Adelaide in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.
> 4. Miami in 2007, failed to defend in 2008. OK, but as a side-note he won
> Indian Wells in 2008.
> 5. He won Estoril in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.
> 6. He won Montreal in 2007, and failed in 2008. Only second time that he
> actually failed.
> 7. Vienna in 2007, but skipped it in 2008.
>
> 8-11. - Australian Open 08, Indian Wells 08, Rome 08, and YEC 08 don't
> count.
>
>
> So he failed at defending his title only two times. And both time at MS
> events.

Well I agree with you and I'm sure he will defend titles in the future. We
can't say that he will *never* defend a title simply because he never has
before. I was just stating that it wasn't just slams he hasn't defended.