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Date: 01 Feb 2009 21:20:05
From:
Subject: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
at the beginning of the tournament.

"...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
stress.

Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
"open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.

I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."





 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 04:58:02
From:
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On Feb 2, 5:20=A0am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> stress.
>
> Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."

Whose quote is this you are referring to?



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:04:05
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
tennis41ife@yahoo.com wrote:
> at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> stress.
>
> Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>

For Federer it's all about Federer. That's why he's called the Ego King.

Of course he couldn't let Rafa enjoy the moment. Nadal had to feel quilt
for beating Federer, the most merciless player himself.
Roger had to interact with the crowd...it was HIS moment after all...

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 03:03:08
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On 2 f=E9v, 11:38, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:4986b9af$0$18767$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> > <thangs.ten...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:e5ae0754-61d6-479d-8fb0-56de22fd7861@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 1, 9:58 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 2, 11:20 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> > at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> >> > "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. H=
e
> >> > was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> >> > he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> >> > ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> >> > about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great persona=
l
> >> > stress.
>
> >> > Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, H=
is
> >> > "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> >> > others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in hi=
s
> >> > ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> >> > I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what i=
t
> >> > reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last thr=
ee
> >> > slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that h=
e
> >> > couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>
> >> Nonsense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > yes, rafa is so humble in victory. In that way, he is very
> > matured...Had federer won,he wouldn't have cared much about
> > others...you can feel little arrogance(eg: wimby 06,07
> > interviews)..everyone is talking how he choked in 5th set.....same way
> > rafa gave up 5th set in wimby 2007...missed lots of breakpoints...it
> > was biggest disappointment for rafa..he didnt cry in public. ..His
> > emotional outburst clearly says he didnt expect to loose the match not
> > even 1%...it looks over confidence to me.
>
> > What about in defeat ? =A0Remind me what did Rafa said about Gonzalez a=
fter
> > his
> > loss to him in 2007 ? =A0There is nothing wrong with emotional outburst=
from
> > any
> > player and that certainly is not a sign in most people's opionion excep=
t
> > from that
> > little brain of yours...
>
> no, but Fed's crying meant Nadal couldn't really celebrate like he deserv=
ed
> to, it must've been very awkward for him. I can kind of understand Fed
> losing it emotionally after the crowd's response to him walking to the
> podium, but it WAS Nadal's moment, not his.

Maybe switching the order of the ceremony might help.
The looser will have more time to recover.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 02:57:18
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On 2 f=E9v, 07:05, thangs.ten...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:58=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 11:20=A0am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> > > "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> > > was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> > > he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> > > ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> > > about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> > > stress.
>
> > > Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, Hi=
s
> > > "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> > > others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> > > ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> > > I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> > > reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last thre=
e
> > > slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> > > couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>
> > Nonsense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> yes, rafa is so humble in victory. In that way, he is very
> matured...Had federer won,he wouldn't have cared much about
> others...you can feel little arrogance(eg: wimby 06,07
> interviews)..everyone is talking how he choked in 5th set.....same way
> rafa gave up 5th set in wimby 2007...missed lots of breakpoints...it
> was biggest disappointment for rafa..he didnt cry in public. ..His
> emotional outburst clearly says he didnt expect to loose the match not
> even 1%...it looks over confidence to me.

Idiot, and as well very biased (like these two qualities -as they
define human kind- are coming together a lot on RST).
Wim07's fifth set had nothing to do with AO09.
Nadal didn't choke as much Federer played really well for few games,
hitting some winners all around.
Nadal so like some boxer having a blitz KO after that few points from
Federer.
Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
not either to Tsonga last year.
He was as much lost on the court as he was in his own mind during the
press stuff.

Defeat can turn instantly anybody into what can be seen as "a soar
looser"...
In fact most players are more "lost" than "soar", they don't
understand what has been going on. They need time to recover, that's
all.

The quicker the tears, the sooner the regrets (and possibly, the
understanding & some recovering).

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo

NB: talking about Murray as the #1 favorite over Djoker 1X slam &
defender + Nadal 5x slams + Federer 13x slams was simply rude &
irrelevant.
Irrelevant is just the most obvious sign of a combinaison of arrogance
& lack of knowledge.
Again, common ground qualities for bookies (sport's traders): "auri
sacra fames" for those who like latin.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:08:44
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
xamigax@gmail.com wrote:
> Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
> not either to Tsonga last year.

Bullshit.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 02:02:51
From: john
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:jnBhl.127559$_03.47161@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> xamigax@gmail.com wrote:
>> Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
>> not either to Tsonga last year.
>
> Bullshit.

You just can't handle the truth.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"




    
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:18:30
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
john wrote:
> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> news:jnBhl.127559$_03.47161@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> xamigax@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
>>> not either to Tsonga last year.
>> Bullshit.
>
> You just can't handle the truth.

What did Nadal say?


     
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:51:52
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
TT wrote:
> john wrote:
>> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>> news:jnBhl.127559$_03.47161@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>> xamigax@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
>>>> not either to Tsonga last year.
>>> Bullshit.
>>
>> You just can't handle the truth.
>
> What did Nadal say?

Well "John", I'm waiting. Or are you just a bullshit artist?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


      
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:20:00
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
TT wrote:
> TT wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>>> news:jnBhl.127559$_03.47161@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>>> xamigax@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Nadal was not gracious at all to Gonzo, as John reminded you; and was
>>>>> not either to Tsonga last year.
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You just can't handle the truth.
>>
>> What did Nadal say?
>
> Well "John", I'm waiting. Or are you just a bullshit artist?
>

I see no reply, just claims without backing them up. You are lying scum,
John.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:22:38
From: john
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...

<tennis41ife@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:701fe2ba-4712-4017-ac7c-a757906bd192@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> stress.
>
> Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>

What Federer said proove to be correct in this tournament . Murray had a
hot few
months but during his hot streak never played best of five match. Player
like Federer,
Nadal and Djokovic knew the game is quite different in best of five format
than best
of 3 and that proove to be correct. Federer rightly point out the obvious
that Nadal
and Djokovic and him deserved the favourite status ahead of Murray. Showing
emotion
after a tough loss is not bad manner unless that outburst has negative
effect on the public
and audience but that is not the case. It is certainly not bad behaviour in
the moment
of great personal stress.




  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:12:32
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
john wrote:
>
> What Federer said proove to be correct in this tournament

It has nothing to do with being correct more like his attitude.


> It is certainly not bad behaviour in
> the moment
> of great personal stress.
>

What great personal stress? Cry me a river.


   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 01:57:59
From: john
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:UqBhl.127560$_03.70600@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> john wrote:
>>
>> What Federer said proove to be correct in this tournament
>
> It has nothing to do with being correct more like his attitude.
>
>
>> It is certainly not bad behaviour in the moment
>> of great personal stress.
>
> What great personal stress? Cry me a river.

Not point arguing with a troll.




    
Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:17:30
From: TT
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
john wrote:
> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> news:UqBhl.127560$_03.70600@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> john wrote:
>>> What Federer said proove to be correct in this tournament
>> It has nothing to do with being correct more like his attitude.
>>
>>
>>> It is certainly not bad behaviour in the moment
>>> of great personal stress.
>> What great personal stress? Cry me a river.
>
> Not point arguing with a troll.
>
>

That's as close admitting a losing argument in rst you're ever going to get.
I know it, you know it, everyone knows it...

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 22:05:01
From:
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On Feb 1, 9:58=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:20=A0am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> > "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> > was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> > he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> > ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> > about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> > stress.
>
> > Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> > "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> > others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> > ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> > I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> > reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> > slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> > couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>
> Nonsense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yes, rafa is so humble in victory. In that way, he is very
matured...Had federer won,he wouldn't have cared much about
others...you can feel little arrogance(eg: wimby 06,07
interviews)..everyone is talking how he choked in 5th set.....same way
rafa gave up 5th set in wimby 2007...missed lots of breakpoints...it
was biggest disappointment for rafa..he didnt cry in public. ..His
emotional outburst clearly says he didnt expect to loose the match not
even 1%...it looks over confidence to me.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:14:57
From: john
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...

<thangs.tennis@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:e5ae0754-61d6-479d-8fb0-56de22fd7861@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 1, 9:58 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:20 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> > "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> > was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> > he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> > ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> > about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> > stress.
>
> > Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> > "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> > others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> > ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> > I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> > reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> > slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> > couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>
> Nonsense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yes, rafa is so humble in victory. In that way, he is very
matured...Had federer won,he wouldn't have cared much about
others...you can feel little arrogance(eg: wimby 06,07
interviews)..everyone is talking how he choked in 5th set.....same way
rafa gave up 5th set in wimby 2007...missed lots of breakpoints...it
was biggest disappointment for rafa..he didnt cry in public. ..His
emotional outburst clearly says he didnt expect to loose the match not
even 1%...it looks over confidence to me.


What about in defeat ? Remind me what did Rafa said about Gonzalez after
his
loss to him in 2007 ? There is nothing wrong with emotional outburst from
any
player and that certainly is not a sign in most people's opionion except
from that
little brain of yours...




   
Date: 02 Feb 2009 10:38:01
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
"john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:4986b9af$0$18767$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> <thangs.tennis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e5ae0754-61d6-479d-8fb0-56de22fd7861@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 1, 9:58 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 11:20 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > at the beginning of the tournament.
>>
>> > "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
>> > was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
>> > he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
>> > ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
>> > about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
>> > stress.
>>
>> > Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
>> > "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
>> > others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
>> > ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>>
>> > I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
>> > reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
>> > slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
>> > couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."
>>
>> Nonsense.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> yes, rafa is so humble in victory. In that way, he is very
> matured...Had federer won,he wouldn't have cared much about
> others...you can feel little arrogance(eg: wimby 06,07
> interviews)..everyone is talking how he choked in 5th set.....same way
> rafa gave up 5th set in wimby 2007...missed lots of breakpoints...it
> was biggest disappointment for rafa..he didnt cry in public. ..His
> emotional outburst clearly says he didnt expect to loose the match not
> even 1%...it looks over confidence to me.
>
>
> What about in defeat ? Remind me what did Rafa said about Gonzalez after
> his
> loss to him in 2007 ? There is nothing wrong with emotional outburst from
> any
> player and that certainly is not a sign in most people's opionion except
> from that
> little brain of yours...

no, but Fed's crying meant Nadal couldn't really celebrate like he deserved
to, it must've been very awkward for him. I can kind of understand Fed
losing it emotionally after the crowd's response to him walking to the
podium, but it WAS Nadal's moment, not his.




 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 21:58:48
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On Feb 2, 11:20=A0am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> stress.
>
> Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."

Nonsense.


 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 21:41:58
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: LOL Federer practically demanded to be treated a favorite...
On Feb 1, 11:20=A0pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> at the beginning of the tournament.
>
> "...Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He
> was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock,
> he brought it on himself. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory
> ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not
> about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal
> stress.
>
> Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His
> "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when
> others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his
> ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.
>
> I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it
> reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three
> slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he
> couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments."

Yes, the question in case was about Murray - who everyone was saying
was "the favorite" of the 4 players - and Roger was surprised he was
ahead of those who have won slams like himself, Rafa and Djoker. And
sure enough - Murray crashed out earliest...