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Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:52:45
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Lets give credit where its due
Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...




 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 20:24:20
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 10:51=A0pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> =A0> RahimAsif wrote:
> > Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> > Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...


> good post.

If succinct bullshit constitutes a good post, then it certainly is.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 21:51:42
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
> RahimAsif wrote:
> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...

good post.



--
The Constitution does not prohibit legislatures from
enacting stupid laws.

- Thurgood Marshall


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 12:11:40
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 2:16=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 10:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> > Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...
>
> Steve Jarros' puppet, you are mistaken. There is a difference between
> classy and classless. Classy champions always find a way to make
> everyone feel better. Steffi Graf apologized to the crowd after the
> 1988 FO. She didnt have to. She also let consoled Novotna post 1993
> Wimbledon final. She said she felt bad for Novotna there.


Yes, Graf is a great example of a classy champion. Even when she had
good cause to rub an opponent's face in the dirt (as with Hingis), she
never did. When her back problems compromised her performance on
court, she kept it to herself rather than use it as an excuse. Nor did
she need to trumpet to the world that Amanda Coetzer or Mary Pierce
couldn't beat her on her best day. Their respective records speak for
themselves.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 11:58:24
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...

I thought Venus was better than Serena at last year's USO as well. I
don't know how she managed to
blow both sets despite having leads. That was really bizarre.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 21:57:09
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:52 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
>> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...
>
> I thought Venus was better than Serena at last year's USO as well. I
> don't know how she managed to
> blow both sets despite having leads. That was really bizarre.

Venus has blown several recent matches at the USO - last year vs.
Serena, 2007 vs. Henin, and one against clijsters (2005?).

In each case, the other girl she let off the hook won the title. Venus
has certainly squandered USO chances.



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off without Saddam Hussein, and those who
believe today that we are not safer with his capture,
don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility
to be elected president."

- John Kerry, 12/16/03


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 11:16:02
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 10:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...

Steve Jarros' puppet, you are mistaken. There is a difference between
classy and classless. Classy champions always find a way to make
everyone feel better. Steffi Graf apologized to the crowd after the
1988 FO. She didnt have to. She also let consoled Novotna post 1993
Wimbledon final. She said she felt bad for Novotna there.

If you are being falsely modest, then you belittle an opponent in one
situation and praise the opponent in some other situation. I am not
sure many tennis champions have done that.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 10:42:43
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 6:48=A0pm, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 5:46=A0pm, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 11:32 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 12:19 pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 31, 12:04 pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 31, 11:01 am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 31, 11:52 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > > > > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the=
truth...
>
> > > > > > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet d=
o the
> > > > > > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> > > > > I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> > > > > someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than th=
e
> > > > > opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> > > > > politically correct. Maybe thats just me...
>
> > > > If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
> > > > opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
> > > > acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
> > > > players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
> > > > possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and y=
ou
> > > > were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able =
to
> > > > do this without being phony at all.
>
> > > > There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
> > > > truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look =
at
> > > > winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. I=
n
> > > > some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, =A0Seren=
a
> > > > simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she do=
ne
> > > > so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
> > > > sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never h=
as,
> > > > and that's why I call her classless.
>
> > > Agreed.
>
> > I completely agree. Most of the critical matches Serena won, there was
> > a lot of choking going on at the other end. When she really played an
> > equal opponent like Henin, we did not see any of these "big match"
> > plays. On the other hand, I can remember at least one Wimbledon final
> > that Venus played where she bested Davenport when she was playing
> > really well. The only match I can remember Serena had to play an equal
> > was when she played Sharapova a couple of years ago in the Semis.- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yep - the Venus/Davenport final was the 05 Wimbledon final and one of
> the best women's matches I've seen.

Both hit more UEs than winners ...

Max


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 10:22:56
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 11:19=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:04=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 11:01=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth=
...
>
> > > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> > > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> > I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> > someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> > opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> > politically correct. Maybe thats just me...
>
> If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
> opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
> acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
> players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
> possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and you
> were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able to
> do this without being phony at all.
>
> There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
> truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look at
> winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. In
> some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, =A0Serena
> simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she done
> so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
> sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never has,
> and that's why I call her classless.

To each his own I guess. If Serena truly felt that way, I admire that
she is willing to say that in public. No point in saying something
that you don't believe in, even if it might come across as arrogant or
disrespectful to your opponent. Its always easier to speak the truth
100% of the time. Given the amount of press top tennis players do, it
would be easy to mess up once or twice, and divulge your true
feelings...


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:48:58
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 5:46=A0pm, akamai <akamai.nak...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:32 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 12:19 pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 12:04 pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 31, 11:01 am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 31, 11:52 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > > > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the t=
ruth...
>
> > > > > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do =
the
> > > > > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> > > > I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> > > > someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> > > > opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> > > > politically correct. Maybe thats just me...
>
> > > If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
> > > opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
> > > acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
> > > players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
> > > possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and you
> > > were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able to
> > > do this without being phony at all.
>
> > > There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
> > > truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look at
> > > winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. In
> > > some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, =A0Serena
> > > simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she done
> > > so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
> > > sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never has=
,
> > > and that's why I call her classless.
>
> > Agreed.
>
> I completely agree. Most of the critical matches Serena won, there was
> a lot of choking going on at the other end. When she really played an
> equal opponent like Henin, we did not see any of these "big match"
> plays. On the other hand, I can remember at least one Wimbledon final
> that Venus played where she bested Davenport when she was playing
> really well. The only match I can remember Serena had to play an equal
> was when she played Sharapova a couple of years ago in the Semis.- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yep - the Venus/Davenport final was the 05 Wimbledon final and one of
the best women's matches I've seen. To be fair to Venus, she may be
quite kooky but she is much more elegant and respectful than her
sister.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:46:46
From: akamai
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 11:32 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:19 pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 12:04 pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 11:01 am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 31, 11:52 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...
>
> > > > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> > > > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> > > I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> > > someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> > > opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> > > politically correct. Maybe thats just me...
>
> > If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
> > opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
> > acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
> > players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
> > possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and you
> > were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able to
> > do this without being phony at all.
>
> > There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
> > truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look at
> > winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. In
> > some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, Serena
> > simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she done
> > so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
> > sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never has,
> > and that's why I call her classless.
>
> Agreed.

I completely agree. Most of the critical matches Serena won, there was
a lot of choking going on at the other end. When she really played an
equal opponent like Henin, we did not see any of these "big match"
plays. On the other hand, I can remember at least one Wimbledon final
that Venus played where she bested Davenport when she was playing
really well. The only match I can remember Serena had to play an equal
was when she played Sharapova a couple of years ago in the Semis.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:32:04
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 12:19=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 12:04=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 11:01=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth=
...
>
> > > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> > > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> > I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> > someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> > opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> > politically correct. Maybe thats just me...
>
> If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
> opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
> acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
> players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
> possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and you
> were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able to
> do this without being phony at all.
>
> There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
> truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look at
> winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. In
> some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, =A0Serena
> simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she done
> so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
> sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never has,
> and that's why I call her classless.

Agreed.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:25:08
From: Justadream
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
Credit? Because the WATER BUFFALO is dealing from a semi-male
chromosomal deck?

YOU try stopping a WATER BUFFALO with a 7 oz. racket!

It's hard to tell whether the WB is more repulsive or more repugnant
or more repellant.

You all be the judge, okay?


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:19:34
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 12:04=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:01=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth..=
.
>
> > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> politically correct. Maybe thats just me...


If one player plays so badly that the opponent prevails, then the
opponent was the better player that day. Secure players can
acknowledge this, because they know that the world can see both
players' results over time, and know who is better overall. It is
possible to concede that someone else did what it took to win and you
were unable to on that day. Players like Graf or Sampras were able to
do this without being phony at all.

There is also a flaw with what you are saying about speaking the
truth, because it is always one person's "truth." Even if you look at
winners to UFE comparison, it still only tells part of the story. In
some of the matches Serena and Henin played, for instance, Serena
simply was outplayed. Never once did she admit this, nor has she done
so with any other player. Even the best in the world are outplayed
sometimes, and most can give credit when it happens. Serena never has,
and that's why I call her classless.



 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:18:52
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 6:04=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:01=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth..=
.
>
> > Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> > talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.
>
> I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
> someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
> opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
> politically correct. Maybe thats just me...


No, there are a lot of people out there who don't mind tennis player
being classless.

Max


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:17:38
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 5:52=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...


Well, not on clay of course. She made her last FO final 6 years ago.

Max


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:04:33
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 11:01=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
>
> > arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...
>
> Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
> talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.

I have always preferred honest assessment over false modesty. If
someone loses a match because he/shee played badly rather than the
opponent being too good - I prefer they say so instead of being
politically correct. Maybe thats just me...


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:01:49
From:
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:

When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...


Wrong. It is still bragging. Classy players let their racquet do the
talking, and acknowledge when an opponent beats them.


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:55:57
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Lets give credit where its due
On Jan 31, 8:52=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Serena when on, is too good for the rest of the field, save Venus at
> Wimbledon. When she says that the match is on her racket, she is not
> arrogant, just stating the fact. It ain't bragging if its the truth...

++ She certainly made a believer out of Safina...

P