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Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:21:10
From: Professor X
Subject: Luckey Federer....
Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
not...

Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.




 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 16:48:30
From:
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 30, 4:26=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:21=A0am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> > not...
>
> > Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.
>
> Last year, Federer played Friday and Nadal played Thursday, Lucky
> Nadal.

Yes, and both had short straight sets matches so no problems being
ready for the final ...



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 16:29:23
From:
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 31, 12:21=A0am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), robin
>
> <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> >> not...
>
> >> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career=
.
>
> >48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
> >recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
> >tennis manage it.
>
> 43 hours from the end of the match...
>
> Interesting, I expected everyone would have been saying how this
> scheduling hurts Rafa, but what I have read so far people seem to be
> in fact belittling it too much. A match like that must affect him. But
> that's part of winning a slam, you have to try to win all the matches
> before the final as easily as possible.

Huh? There are many posts about how Nadal will be tired, how it gives
Federer an advantage and how the scheduling was wrong, etc. You maybe
haven't read them yet.



  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 02:46:17
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:29:23 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 31, 12:21 am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), robin
>>
>> <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
>> >> not...
>>
>> >> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.
>>
>> >48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
>> >recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
>> >tennis manage it.
>>
>> 43 hours from the end of the match...
>>
>> Interesting, I expected everyone would have been saying how this
>> scheduling hurts Rafa, but what I have read so far people seem to be
>> in fact belittling it too much. A match like that must affect him. But
>> that's part of winning a slam, you have to try to win all the matches
>> before the final as easily as possible.
>
>Huh? There are many posts about how Nadal will be tired, how it gives
>Federer an advantage and how the scheduling was wrong, etc. You maybe
>haven't read them yet.

I am not going to read all the posts. I have seen some posts like you
describe, but surprisingly many that say the fatigue is not a factor.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 15:55:44
From:
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
In article
<5c52f8ab-7ea1-47f5-bf97-49b90bfdceaa@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com >,
suebokaian@hotmail.com (Professor X) wrote:

>
> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> not...

Well, Federer's efficiency in winning matches has something to do with it.

>
> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing
> career.

Ailing, huh? Federer has made the last four Slam finals in a row. I don't
know how he motivate himself to get up in the morning.

wg


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 09:00:14
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 30, 11:48=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:33, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 11:24=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> > > > not...
>
> > > > Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing car=
eer.
>
> > > 48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
> > > recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
> > > tennis manage it.
>
> > Which sports are those? That is, in which competitive sport can an
> > athlete be expected to put in a five-hour performance and then perhaps
> > a three-hour performance or more less than two days later, both times
> > *all alone* -- no teammates to share the burden? (Note that even
> > distance cyclists have both human and chemical teammates.)
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> Even with teammates to help take the lead and reduce air resistance,
> cycling is still far more demanding than tennis.

Hence the drugs. :) But seriously, the real issue isn't how demanding
the sport is, but whether the athlete is expected to recover *with no
appreciable loss of performance*. An exhausted cyclist in a long road
race has the option of holding back somewhat and hoping he can make up
the ground later in the race. Perhaps Nadal can win the final at 3/4
speed, but I doubt it. I think he'll go all out for as long as he can
manage it. And if he has a subpar day, that's it. No second chances.

> Other racquet sports
> (badminton/squash) are more physically demanding than tennis, and
> players are expected to recover.

More physically demanding only in terms of exertion per minute, as it
were. Nothing else in racket sports can touch a five-hour, baseline-
dominated tennis match in the heat.

> In teams sports like soccer, it is
> sometimes necessary to play a match two days later, due to multiple
> concurrent touraments/leagues. 90+30 mins soccer is a least as tough
> as 5 hours tennis, even with team mates.

Yes, but if one guy falls apart, his team doesn't necessarily lose.
The "no backup" aspect of tennis is really the hardest thing about it.
Ask the Djoker. :)

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:48:21
From: robin
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On 30 Jan, 16:33, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:24=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> > > not...
>
> > > Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing caree=
r.
>
> > 48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
> > recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
> > tennis manage it.
>
> Which sports are those? That is, in which competitive sport can an
> athlete be expected to put in a five-hour performance and then perhaps
> a three-hour performance or more less than two days later, both times
> *all alone* -- no teammates to share the burden? (Note that even
> distance cyclists have both human and chemical teammates.)
>
> Joe Ramirez

Even with teammates to help take the lead and reduce air resistance,
cycling is still far more demanding than tennis. Other racquet sports
(badminton/squash) are more physically demanding than tennis, and
players are expected to recover. In teams sports like soccer, it is
sometimes necessary to play a match two days later, due to multiple
concurrent touraments/leagues. 90+30 mins soccer is a least as tough
as 5 hours tennis, even with team mates. Don't get me wrong, tennis is
a great sport, but there are far more physically demanding sports out
there.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:47:23
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 30, 8:33=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:24=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> > > not...
>
> > > Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing caree=
r.
>
> > 48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
> > recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
> > tennis manage it.
>
> Which sports are those? That is, in which competitive sport can an
> athlete be expected to put in a five-hour performance and then perhaps
> a three-hour performance or more less than two days later, both times
> *all alone* -- no teammates to share the burden? (Note that even
> distance cyclists have both human and chemical teammates.)
>
> Joe Ramirez

++ Well Patrick McEnroe certainly thinks that the Nadal-Verdasco match
seriously mitigates Rafa's chances in the final due to the match
having gone 5+ hours and Brad Gilbert agreed... so there's that :)

P


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:33:16
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 30, 11:24=A0am, robin <robinson.n...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> > not...
>
> > Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.
>
> 48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
> recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
> tennis manage it.

Which sports are those? That is, in which competitive sport can an
athlete be expected to put in a five-hour performance and then perhaps
a three-hour performance or more less than two days later, both times
*all alone* -- no teammates to share the burden? (Note that even
distance cyclists have both human and chemical teammates.)

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 22:46:27
From: Jesper Lauridsen
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On 2009-01-30, Joe Ramirez <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote:
>
> Which sports are those? That is, in which competitive sport can an
> athlete be expected to put in a five-hour performance and then perhaps
> a three-hour performance or more less than two days later, both times
> *all alone* -- no teammates to share the burden? (Note that even
> distance cyclists have both human and chemical teammates.)

In that five-hour performance Nadal would have spend a considerable
amount of time requesting towels, lining up water bottles and picking
his ass.



 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:26:40
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Jan 30, 11:21=A0am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> not...
>
> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.

Last year, Federer played Friday and Nadal played Thursday, Lucky
Nadal.


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 23:40:28
From: TT
Subject: Re: Lucky Federer....
wkhedr wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:21 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
>> not...
>>
>> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.
>
> Last year, Federer played Friday and Nadal played Thursday, Lucky
> Nadal.

That was AO favouring Federer. Federer asked for later start for his AO
campaign and got it.

Djokovic asked this year for an evening session against Roddick and
didn't get it.

Favouritism? ...You'll be the judge...

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:24:56
From: robin
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
> not...
>
> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.

48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
tennis manage it.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 02:21:30
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Luckey Federer....
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), robin
<robinson.neil@gmail.com > wrote:

>On 30 Jan, 16:21, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Somehow, the scheduling always favours him, coincidence? I think
>> not...
>>
>> Our dear Rafa will hopefully close the book on Federer's ailing career.
>
>48 hours is plenty of time for a young professional althlete to
>recover. Pros in sports which are far more physically demanding than
>tennis manage it.

43 hours from the end of the match...

Interesting, I expected everyone would have been saying how this
scheduling hurts Rafa, but what I have read so far people seem to be
in fact belittling it too much. A match like that must affect him. But
that's part of winning a slam, you have to try to win all the matches
before the final as easily as possible.