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Date: 24 Jan 2009 09:35:39
From: stephenj
Subject: Men's draw (sweet 16)
rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
berdych, bags) are playing well too.

Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.

Should be fantastic viewing this week.

--
"if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson




 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 14:00:19
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
stephenj wrote:
> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>

one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
"clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
legitimate tennis.

that said, i think that federer definitely has a less difficult path to
the final than does nadal. as far as handicapping the field, i have to
admit that tsonga is pretty much "out of the blue" as far as i am
concerned. when he made it to the finals last year, i wrote it off as
being luck, but he seems to be producing the goods. even still, murray
is playing so well that i think that he will emerge from his quarter.

i don't know much about simon either but given his ranking he must be
delivering the goods on the court. the guys that you hear the most
about from france are monfils and gasquet (i went to bed assuming that
gasquet would win so it seems unbelievable to me that he found a way to
lose that match). on any account, nadal would have a tough match
against la monf but it would certainly be an entertaining match. but i
think that the best of 5 format works much better for nadal against a
player like monfils who has not consistently shown himself to be that
good at managing the ebb and flows of match dynamics.

so if it comes down to nadal versus murray - i'd have to go with murray
to get to the final and defeat federer.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 12:04:51
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 3:00=A0pm, jingus <jin...@mindspring.com > wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> > that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> > all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> > berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> > Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> > any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have t=
o
> > win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> > Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
> france and 3 from spain. =A0given that you normally don't think of france
> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. =A0this just goes
> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
> legitimate tennis.
>
> that said, i think that federer definitely has a less difficult path to
> the final than does nadal. =A0as far as handicapping the field, i have to
> admit that tsonga is pretty much "out of the blue" as far as i am
> concerned. =A0when he made it to the finals last year, i wrote it off as
> being luck, but he seems to be producing the goods. =A0even still, murray
> is playing so well that i think that he will emerge from his quarter.
>
> i don't know much about simon either but given his ranking he must be
> delivering the goods on the court. =A0the guys that you hear the most
> about from france are monfils and gasquet (i went to bed assuming that
> gasquet would win so it seems unbelievable to me that he found a way to
> lose that match). =A0

I think it's a bit harsh in this instance to say Gasquet *found a way*
to lose the match. It's true he did
have a match point in the third set, but then he broke a toenail and
was having all kinds of trouble moving in the
fourth set. Just when it looked like Gonzo would run away with it or
Richie would default, Gasquet showed great
heart to hang in there even though he was obviously in a lot of pain.
Gasquet had plenty of chances in the fifth but the break points he
didn't convert were due to Gonzo's great shotmaking not Richie's poor
play.


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:07:59
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:00 pm, jingus <jin...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>i don't know much about simon either but given his ranking he must be
>>delivering the goods on the court. the guys that you hear the most
>>about from france are monfils and gasquet (i went to bed assuming that
>>gasquet would win so it seems unbelievable to me that he found a way to
>>lose that match).
>
> I think it's a bit harsh in this instance to say Gasquet *found a way*
> to lose the match. It's true he did
> have a match point in the third set, but then he broke a toenail and
> was having all kinds of trouble moving in the
> fourth set. Just when it looked like Gonzo would run away with it or
> Richie would default, Gasquet showed great
> heart to hang in there even though he was obviously in a lot of pain.
> Gasquet had plenty of chances in the fifth but the break points he
> didn't convert were due to Gonzo's great shotmaking not Richie's poor
> play.
>

as i stated, i went to bed thinking that the match was pretty much over
so i didn't know about what transpired afterwards other than for the
result.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 22:34:31
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:00:19 -0600, jingus <jingus@mindspring.com >
wrote:

>stephenj wrote:
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>
>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>
>
>one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.

France is a big tennis country. It is normal that they some players at
this stage of a slam. Just that usually they don't make it much
further. Your idea of Spain is several years outdated. They have not
been clay-only players for a long time. Players like Verdasco and
Lopez have always been better on fast courts. Players like Moya,
Ferrero, Ferrer, Robredo have always been pretty good on all surfaces.
And Nadal is Nadal.







   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 15:46:49
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:00:19 -0600, jingus <jingus@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>>are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>>france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>>in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>>other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
>
> France is a big tennis country. It is normal that they some players at
> this stage of a slam. Just that usually they don't make it much
> further.
>

i'll agree with you if you are limiting your comments to the french
open, where french players do normally get to the round of 16 in
fairly significant numbers. but otherwise, you don't normally see
3 french players in the round of 16. for example, at last year's us
open, la monf was the only french player to get to the round of 16.
on the other hand, i think about a half dozen french players got to
the round of 16 at roland garros.


> Your idea of Spain is several years outdated. They have not
> been clay-only players for a long time. Players like Verdasco and
> Lopez have always been better on fast courts. Players like Moya,
> Ferrero, Ferrer, Robredo have always been pretty good on all surfaces.
> And Nadal is Nadal.
>

i will agree that spanish and latin american players have made
significant strides in getting past being marginalized as clay court
specialists in recent years. the kind of numbers that we are seeing
at this year's australian open are actually quite typical for what we
have been seeing at grand slam events recently.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 12:32:23
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 3:27=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> jingus wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> >> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> >> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> >> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> >> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> >> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have
> >> to win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> >> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
> > one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
> > are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
> > france and 3 from spain. =A0given that you normally don't think of fran=
ce
> > in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
> > other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
> > in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
> > "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. =A0this just go=
es
> > to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
> > legitimate tennis.
>
> Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis. Starting
> on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> - Show quoted text -

What about Agassi and Chang?


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 22:40:41
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:27 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> jingus wrote:
>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>>>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>>>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>>>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>>>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have
>>>> to win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>>> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>>> france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>>> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>>> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
>>> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
>>> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
>>> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
>>> legitimate tennis.
>> Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis. Starting
>> on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> What about Agassi and Chang?

Unusual talent.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 22:27:17
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
jingus wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have
>> to win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>
>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>
>
> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
> france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
> legitimate tennis.

Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis. Starting
on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.


   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 07:10:15
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:EQKel.123656$_03.28222@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> jingus wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>>
>>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>>
>>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>>
>>
>> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>> france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
>> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
>> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
>> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
>> legitimate tennis.
>
> Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis. Starting
> on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.


Yes, all players should start on clay, and play their pro matches on fast
surfaces.




   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 15:49:11
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
TT wrote:
> jingus wrote:
>
>> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>> france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
>> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
>> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
>> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
>> legitimate tennis.
>
> Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis. Starting
> on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.
>

no, starting on clay has generally made for a great foundation for being
a clay court specialist. the style of play and what works on clay
courts is very different from what you would do when playing legitimate
tennis on hard courts.


    
Date: 24 Jan 2009 23:50:16
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
jingus wrote:
> TT wrote:
>> jingus wrote:
>>
>>> one thing that is suprising is the extent to which france and spain
>>> are so well represented in the group of 16: there are 3 players from
>>> france and 3 from spain. given that you normally don't think of france
>>> in any grand slam, and you generally don't think of spain in anything
>>> other than clay court tournaments, this seems quite surprising to me.
>>> in fact, when you add players from argentina and chile, players from
>>> "clay court" nations make up about 1/3 of the final 16. this just goes
>>> to show that the clay court players are getting better at playing
>>> legitimate tennis.
>>
>> Starting on clay makes a great foundation for all court tennis.
>> Starting on hard court makes a foundation on fast surfaces only.
> >
>
> no, starting on clay has generally made for a great foundation for being
> a clay court specialist. the style of play and what works on clay
> courts is very different from what you would do when playing legitimate
> tennis on hard courts.

I guess piss poor groundgame and big serving is what you call legitimate
tennis then.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:35:01
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:35:39 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com > wrote:

>rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
>Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
>Should be fantastic viewing this week.

Exactly. It is amazing that there aleways has to be this "cakewalk
draw" tak. Certainly not the case this time for anyone.



  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:44:02
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:35:39 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com> wrote:
>
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>
>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.


>
> Exactly. It is amazing that there aleways has to be this "cakewalk
> draw" tak. Certainly not the case this time for anyone.
>

You're not convincing anyone.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 21:25:04
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:44:02 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:35:39 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>>
>>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>>
>>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
>
>>
>> Exactly. It is amazing that there aleways has to be this "cakewalk
>> draw" tak. Certainly not the case this time for anyone.
>>
>
>You're not convincing anyone.

I know, two typos.


 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:20:15
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
stephenj wrote:
> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>

Totally agree on this. I am glad I am able to enjoy good tennis instead
of wasting time on these meaningless disputes in here about GOATs,
cakewalk draws etc. The 16 players remaining in the draw are all amazing
tennis players. And the really good thing this year is that all the
favorites seems to be in shape at the same time as several young talents
are doing their best performances in a slam. That makes the whole
tournament even more interesting.

Hard to guess a champion yet. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray have
showed great form. Maybe Djokovic displayed some weaknesses in the match
against Delic, but he was rock solid against Chardy. Nadal has played
better and better. Murray is consistent and stable. Federer reminds me
more and more of the Federer tennis fans have enjoyed for such a long time.

What a great sport tennis is!

PS.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 18:04:43
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:8q-dncjHbJpQoubU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> stephenj wrote:
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are all
>> in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo, berdych,
>> bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>
>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>
>
> Totally agree on this. I am glad I am able to enjoy good tennis instead of
> wasting time on these meaningless disputes in here about GOATs, cakewalk
> draws etc. The 16 players remaining in the draw are all amazing tennis
> players. And the really good thing this year is that all the favorites
> seems to be in shape at the same time as several young talents are doing
> their best performances in a slam. That makes the whole tournament even
> more interesting.
>
> Hard to guess a champion yet. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray have
> showed great form. Maybe Djokovic displayed some weaknesses in the match
> against Delic, but he was rock solid against Chardy. Nadal has played
> better and better. Murray is consistent and stable. Federer reminds me
> more and more of the Federer tennis fans have enjoyed for such a long
> time.
>
> What a great sport tennis is!


This is a very unpredictable tournament, but not because of the lack of
quality players but because of the fact they're couple of them.
So yes, a great tournament.




 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:44:28
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
stephenj wrote:
> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>

Hope Federer makes it through his cakewalk draw...to be beaten by Nadal
in the final. That would be sweet. Instant goatness for Rafa.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 08:54:25
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 4:44=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> > that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> > all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> > berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> > Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> > any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have t=
o
> > win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> > Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
> Hope Federer makes it through his cakewalk draw...to be beaten by Nadal
> in the final. That would be sweet. Instant goatness for Rafa.

Stop dreaming about Rafa and have a banana instead.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:45:55
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:xHGel.123465$_03.53772@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> stephenj wrote:
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are all
>> in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo, berdych,
>> bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
>> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
>> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>>
>> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>>
>
> Hope Federer makes it through his cakewalk draw...to be beaten by Nadal in
> the final. That would be sweet. Instant goatness for Rafa.


Please, you sound like Hazelwood.
Reality check.

Nadal so far - 23pts
GOAT - 80pts

Assuming Nadal wins everything from now on

2009
AO - 26
FO - 30
Wim - 37
USO - 52 (+5 for NCYGS + 5 for the fact it's CYGS)

2010
AO - 60 (+5)
FO - 69(+5)
Wim - 81(+5)


So..Nadal could claim GOAT status if he wins next 7 slams.
Winning the 8th straight and 13th overall with back to back CYGS would be as
you said it "instant goatness" as it would give him.

USO - 96 pts






   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 19:00:17
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
*skriptis wrote:
>
> Please, you sound like Hazelwood.
> Reality check.
>
> Nadal so far - 23pts
> GOAT - 80pts
>

And your response is sounding like Whisper...

Geez.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


    
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:25:27
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:00:17 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>*skriptis wrote:
>>
>> Please, you sound like Hazelwood.
>> Reality check.
>>
>> Nadal so far - 23pts
>> GOAT - 80pts
>>
>
>And your response is sounding like Whisper...
>
>Geez.

What, skriptis? Noo...


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 08:02:39
From: guyana
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 10:44=A0am, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> > that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> > all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> > berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> > Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> > any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have t=
o
> > win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> > Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
> Hope Federer makes it through his cakewalk draw...to be beaten by Nadal
> in the final. That would be sweet. Instant goatness for Rafa.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

like to dream? Rafa will lose to Murray in 4 sets!


 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 07:39:30
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 4:35=A0pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> berdych, bags) are playing well too.

Gozo is finished. How can he win another match after winning in the
5th 12-10?
>
> Whoever wins this title will really have earned it. There haven't been
> any big upsets or injuries to pave the way for anyone. They will have to
> win 3-4 matches against prime-form, talented opponents.
>
> Should be fantastic viewing this week.
>
> --
> =A0 "if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
> the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
> of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
> they please".
>
> - Thomas Jefferson



  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 08:52:38
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Jan 24, 4:45=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Fan wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 4:35 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
> >> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
> >> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
> >> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
> >> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> > Gozo is finished. How can he win another match after winning in the
> > 5th 12-10?
>
> Shut up Jaros.

Who let this monkey in?


   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 02:31:00
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:52:38 -0800 (PST), Fan
<TurnagainArm@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 24, 4:45 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Fan wrote:
>> > On Jan 24, 4:35 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>> >> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> >> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>> >> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>> >> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>>
>> > Gozo is finished. How can he win another match after winning in the
>> > 5th 12-10?
>>
>> Shut up Jaros.
>
>Who let this monkey in?


monfils ?


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:45:20
From: TT
Subject: Re: Men's draw (sweet 16)
Fan wrote:
> On Jan 24, 4:35 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>> rafa and fed fans can sling mud back and forth, but the bottom line is
>> that EVERYONE has a tough draw from here on in. The top 4 players are
>> all in excellent form, and the next tier of players (monfils, gonzo,
>> berdych, bags) are playing well too.
>
> Gozo is finished. How can he win another match after winning in the
> 5th 12-10?

Shut up Jaros.



--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"