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Date: 03 Jan 2009 07:58:11
From:
Subject: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
... as if it's a slam final.

Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
run down - is this advisable?





 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 04:10:44
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 7:06=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 6:26 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> TT wrote:
> >>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>>> TT wrote:
> >>>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
> >>>>>>>> even in
> >>>>>>>> an exhibition.
> >>>>>>> Wrong as usual
> >>>>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try again=
st
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> >>>>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid =
must
> >>>>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and nette=
d
> >>>>>> forehand drives.
> >>>>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to b=
oost
> >>>>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
> >>>> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> >>>> Bahrami out there ...
> >>> Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
> >> Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>
> > He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
> > tennis I guess ...
>
> Is there an interesting story behind this? :)

Do a search for posts from Michael Scarpitti or "uraniumcommittee" (or
"UC")

"Make em play with wood"
"Current pros are walking zombies"
"Tennis died in 1986"



 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 12:20:39
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 10:31=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:26=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > TT wrote:
> > > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > >>> TT wrote:
> > >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
> > >>>>>> even in
> > >>>>>> an exhibition.
> > >>>>> Wrong as usual
> > >>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try again=
st
> > >>>> his
> > >>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> > >>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid =
must
> > >>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and nette=
d
> > >>>> forehand drives.
> > >>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to b=
oost
> > >>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> > >> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> > >> Bahrami out there ...
>
> > > Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>
> > Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>
> He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
> tennis I guess ...

I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to that
drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the grudge
against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 22:01:39
From: grif
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...

"Sao Paulo Swallow" <Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468adf@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 3, 10:31 am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:26 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > TT wrote:
> > > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > >>> TT wrote:
> > >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
> > >>>>>> even in
> > >>>>>> an exhibition.
> > >>>>> Wrong as usual
> > >>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try
> > >>>> against
> > >>>> his
> > >>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> > >>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid
> > >>>> must
> > >>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> > >>>> forehand drives.
> > >>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to
> > >>> boost
> > >>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> > >> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> > >> Bahrami out there ...
>
> > > Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>
> > Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>
> He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
> tennis I guess ...

"I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to that
drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the grudge
against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?"

That guy had some SERIOUS mental issues, even for rst.



  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:17:46
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 4, 10:11=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468...@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>
>
>
> > I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to that
> > drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the grudge
> > against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?
>
> I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but tennissmith
> was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him about
> six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
> interesting guy.
>
> wg

Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:13:42
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 5, 7:01=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 6:20 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> >> TT wrote:
> >>> wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >>>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
> >>>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>
> >>>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>
> >>> "RuPEDski"
>
> >> Here is some classic RuPEDski:
>
> >>> How can posts be this stupid. Wimbledon has slowed the courts since
> >>> the early 90's. It's a fact. Second, Kuerten not playing was his own
> >>> loss and he wasn't missed. Neither was the other handful of
> >>> clay-court pussys who didn't support the game/fans because of their
> >>> own insecurity. Baseliners have always had a chance and done well at
> >>> Wimbleon. Connors, Agassi, Hewitt, Courier, Borg, blah blah blah,
> >>> all have done well.
> >>> How can people possibly be so retarded? Grass has been slowed. It is
> >>> not slow. It is not SLOWER than the USO. MAN. This is such a stupid
> >>> place. Serves STILL rule at Wimbledon. Baseline play is more COMMON
> >>> BECAUSE THEY ALL PLAY THE baseline. This isn't ROCKET SCIENCE.
> >>> SV'ers didnt' get run out of Wimbledon, none show up in the first
> >>> place. How could anybody buy into these theories that make no
> >>> sense. Yet, people do. As if, the grass at Wimbledon changed in 98
> >>> and then all the SV'ers disappeared. Never mind the development
> >>> time for a pro player. Never mind that grass is only played on a
> >>> few weeks a year. This is a wonderful grade 2 explanation, let's go
> >>> with it.
> >>> Why the hell would "Nalbadian" getting to the final be the
> >>> indicator. What about Hewitt? He's just as baseline/defense
> >>> oriented if not moreso though clay is not his best surface. This is
> >>> truly idiotic in almost every sentence.
>
> >> Another:
>
> >>>>> Truly you are a retard. Particularly if you think Hewitt grew up
> >>>>> playing on
> >>>>> grass. Borg, Agassi and others had long since proven that a
> >>>>> baseliner can play on grass. Further, you show your retardness in
> >>>>> giving causation to the
> >>>>> correlation of "claycourters success at Wimbledon". THINK. TRY
> >>>>> THINKING.
>
> >>>> Civility. Try it.
>
> >>> THINKING. Try it. TRY IT. RETARD.
>
> >> It's too bad we don't get this any more.
>
> >> ca1houn has been missing for about a month as well. I hope that's
> >> only because it's the off-season.
>
> > Why would you want this back?
>
> It's entertaining.

In a perverse way. But it's better to not have it.


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:51:05
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 5, 6:20=A0am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> TT wrote:
> > wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
> >>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>
> >> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>
> > "RuPEDski"
>
> Here is some classic RuPEDski:
>
>


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 12:01:56
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> On Jan 5, 6:20 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> TT wrote:
>>> wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>>
>>>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>>
>>> "RuPEDski"
>>
>> Here is some classic RuPEDski:
>>
>>> How can posts be this stupid. Wimbledon has slowed the courts since
>>> the early 90's. It's a fact. Second, Kuerten not playing was his own
>>> loss and he wasn't missed. Neither was the other handful of
>>> clay-court pussys who didn't support the game/fans because of their
>>> own insecurity. Baseliners have always had a chance and done well at
>>> Wimbleon. Connors, Agassi, Hewitt, Courier, Borg, blah blah blah,
>>> all have done well.
>>> How can people possibly be so retarded? Grass has been slowed. It is
>>> not slow. It is not SLOWER than the USO. MAN. This is such a stupid
>>> place. Serves STILL rule at Wimbledon. Baseline play is more COMMON
>>> BECAUSE THEY ALL PLAY THE baseline. This isn't ROCKET SCIENCE.
>>> SV'ers didnt' get run out of Wimbledon, none show up in the first
>>> place. How could anybody buy into these theories that make no
>>> sense. Yet, people do. As if, the grass at Wimbledon changed in 98
>>> and then all the SV'ers disappeared. Never mind the development
>>> time for a pro player. Never mind that grass is only played on a
>>> few weeks a year. This is a wonderful grade 2 explanation, let's go
>>> with it.
>>> Why the hell would "Nalbadian" getting to the final be the
>>> indicator. What about Hewitt? He's just as baseline/defense
>>> oriented if not moreso though clay is not his best surface. This is
>>> truly idiotic in almost every sentence.
>>
>> Another:
>>
>>>>> Truly you are a retard. Particularly if you think Hewitt grew up
>>>>> playing on
>>>>> grass. Borg, Agassi and others had long since proven that a
>>>>> baseliner can play on grass. Further, you show your retardness in
>>>>> giving causation to the
>>>>> correlation of "claycourters success at Wimbledon". THINK. TRY
>>>>> THINKING.
>>>>
>>>> Civility. Try it.
>>>
>>> THINKING. Try it. TRY IT. RETARD.
>>
>> It's too bad we don't get this any more.
>>
>> ca1houn has been missing for about a month as well. I hope that's
>> only because it's the off-season.
>
> Why would you want this back?

It's entertaining.




   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 15:47:15
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
In article
<660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com >,
Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:

> On Jan 4, 10:11 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> > In article
> >
> >
> <ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468...@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
> > Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to
> > that
> > > drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the
> > grudge
> > > against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?
> >
> > I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but
> > tennissmith
> > was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him
> > about
> > six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
> > interesting guy.
> >
> > wg
>
> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.

Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.

wg


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:07:19
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>
>> On Jan 4, 10:11 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>> In article
>>>
>>>
>> <ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468...@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to
>>> that
>>>> drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the
>>> grudge
>>>> against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?
>>> I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but
>>> tennissmith
>>> was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him
>>> about
>>> six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
>>> interesting guy.
>>>
>>> wg
>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>
> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>
> wg

"RuPEDski"

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


     
Date: 05 Jan 2009 11:20:13
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
TT wrote:
> wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article
>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>> Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>>
>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>
> "RuPEDski"

Here is some classic RuPEDski:



      
Date: 05 Jan 2009 03:00:17
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
DavidW wrote:
> TT wrote:
>> wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>> "RuPEDski"
>
> Here is some classic RuPEDski:
>
>


     
Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:13:08
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
TT wrote:
> wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article
>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>> Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 4, 10:11 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468...@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to
>>>> that
>>>>> drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the
>>>> grudge
>>>>> against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?
>>>> I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but
>>>> tennissmith
>>>> was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him about
>>>> six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
>>>> interesting guy.
>>>>
>>>> wg
>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>>
>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>>
>> wg
>
> "RuPEDski"
>

Hasn't been here in 6 months? Hope everything is ok with him...
Maybe just kicked a bad habit? (and not the bucket)

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


      
Date: 04 Jan 2009 22:44:38
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
In article <Vva8l.114110$_03.13005@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi >,
gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:

>
> Hasn't been here in 6 months? Hope everything is ok with him...
> Maybe just kicked a bad habit? (and not the bucket)

I'm more concerned about Geert Calliauw, who was here for many years, and
then vanished abruptly a couple of years ago a few weeks before the
Antwerp tournament - we'd been talking about meeting up there. No replies
to email sent since, either.

wg



       
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:58:29
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:44:38 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

>In article <Vva8l.114110$_03.13005@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
>
>>
>> Hasn't been here in 6 months? Hope everything is ok with him...
>> Maybe just kicked a bad habit? (and not the bucket)
>
>I'm more concerned about Geert Calliauw, who was here for many years, and
>then vanished abruptly a couple of years ago a few weeks before the
>Antwerp tournament - we'd been talking about meeting up there. No replies
>to email sent since, either.

Have you sent mails recently?



        
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:27:36
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
In article <r0t4m49p4gi9d1h7o4e4dlat3npkld3q35@4ax.com >,
sakari.lund@welho.com (Sakari Lund) wrote:

>
> On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:44:38 -0600, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> >In article <Vva8l.114110$_03.13005@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
> >gold@Olympics.org (TT) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hasn't been here in 6 months? Hope everything is ok with him...
> >> Maybe just kicked a bad habit? (and not the bucket)
> >
> >I'm more concerned about Geert Calliauw, who was here for many
> years, and >then vanished abruptly a couple of years ago a few
> weeks before the >Antwerp tournament - we'd been talking about
> meeting up there. No replies >to email sent since, either.
>
> Have you sent mails recently?
>

Not for some time, no.

wg


      
Date: 05 Jan 2009 00:09:39
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:13:08 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>TT wrote:
>> wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <660f4913-b251-455a-8719-460e4f2f1dee@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 10:11 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468...@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to
>>>>> that
>>>>>> drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the
>>>>> grudge
>>>>>> against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?
>>>>> I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but
>>>>> tennissmith
>>>>> was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him about
>>>>> six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
>>>>> interesting guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> wg
>>>> Not him. I remembered his nom de rst: GregRupedski.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes. But you mistyped it - he always capped PED up.
>>>
>>> wg
>>
>> "RuPEDski"
>>
>
>Hasn't been here in 6 months? Hope everything is ok with him...
>Maybe just kicked a bad habit? (and not the bucket)


I think he was arrested in that last big global pedo sting.


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 12:11:27
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
In article
<ce7ba86a-dbd7-4864-9797-9adf43468adf@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com >,
Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com (Sao Paulo Swallow) wrote:

>
> I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to that
> drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the grudge
> against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?

I don't remember him having a grudge against Pedro Diaz, but tennissmith
was a coach and he used to be driven made by Scarpitti. I met him about
six weeks ago when I was in SF. Very definitely a coach, and an
interesting guy.

wg


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 22:38:07
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:20:39 -0800 (PST), Sao Paulo Swallow
<Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Jan 3, 10:31 am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 6:26 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > TT wrote:
>> > > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> > >>> TT wrote:
>> > >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
>> > >>>>>> even in
>> > >>>>>> an exhibition.
>> > >>>>> Wrong as usual
>> > >>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against
>> > >>>> his
>> > >>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>> > >>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>> > >>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>> > >>>> forehand drives.
>> > >>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
>> > >>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>>
>> > >> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
>> > >> Bahrami out there ...
>>
>> > > Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>>
>> > Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>>
>> He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
>> tennis I guess ...
>
>I can't believe I can't remember his name, but what happened to that
>drama queen who supposedly coached kids tennis and had the grudge
>against Pedro Diaz? What was his name?

It's better if we all forget that name. I haven't yet though...


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 10:31:49
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 6:26=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> TT wrote:
> > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>> TT wrote:
> >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
> >>>>>> even in
> >>>>>> an exhibition.
> >>>>> Wrong as usual
> >>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against
> >>>> his
> >>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> >>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid mu=
st
> >>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> >>>> forehand drives.
> >>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boo=
st
> >>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> >> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> >> Bahrami out there ...
>
> > Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>
> Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.

He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
tennis I guess ...



  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 22:44:38
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
<gregorawe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:d5b1d29e-c097-442b-b38e-34cc6185cc38@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 3, 6:26 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> TT wrote:
> > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>> TT wrote:
> >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
> >>>>>> even in
> >>>>>> an exhibition.
> >>>>> Wrong as usual
> >>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against
> >>>> his
> >>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> >>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid
> >>>> must
> >>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> >>>> forehand drives.
> >>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to
> >>> boost
> >>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> >> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> >> Bahrami out there ...
>
> > Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>
> Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>
>He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
>tennis I guess ...

Goodness me, that is going back a while!!




  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 21:06:35
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:26 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> TT wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>> TT wrote:
>>>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
>>>>>>>> even in
>>>>>>>> an exhibition.
>>>>>>> Wrong as usual
>>>>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>>>>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>>>>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>>>>>> forehand drives.
>>>>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
>>>>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>>>> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
>>>> Bahrami out there ...
>>> Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>> Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.
>
> He hasn't posted here for ages - finally given up with post-1986
> tennis I guess ...
>

Is there an interesting story behind this? :)

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 10:28:41
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 9:58=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ... as if it's a slam final.
>
> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
> run down - is this advisable?

video highlights here (11mins):

http://www.livetennis.it/post/9183/esibizione-abu-dhabi-trionfa-andy-murray=
-battuto-rafael-nadal-in-tre-set


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 10:22:21
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 10:19=A0am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:544deeb9-def2-4bd7-9fbf-56427869b9d3@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> > Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>
> >> Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
> >> difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn'=
t
> >> fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously.
>
> > Er, I don't think Federer played seriously. But that wasn't because he
> > played a few forehand slices when stretched out wide ...
>
> Fed only plays seriously when he wins according to the Fedfans.

Federer only wins when he pays the linesmen!


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 09:40:36
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
>
> > Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>
> Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
> difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn't
> fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously.

Er, I don't think Federer played seriously. But that wasn't because he
played a few forehand slices when stretched out wide ...



  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 18:19:34
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
<gregorawe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:544deeb9-def2-4bd7-9fbf-56427869b9d3@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >
>> > Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>>
>> Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
>> difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn't
>> fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously.
>
> Er, I don't think Federer played seriously. But that wasn't because he
> played a few forehand slices when stretched out wide ...

Fed only plays seriously when he wins according to the Fedfans.




   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 01:19:58
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:19:34 GMT, "Iceberg"
<big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay > wrote:

><gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:544deeb9-def2-4bd7-9fbf-56427869b9d3@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>>> > Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>>>
>>> Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
>>> difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn't
>>> fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously.
>>
>> Er, I don't think Federer played seriously. But that wasn't because he
>> played a few forehand slices when stretched out wide ...
>
>Fed only plays seriously when he wins according to the Fedfans.
>


of course. just like sampras couldn't be arsed by his.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:50:23
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>> Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
>> difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn't
>> fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously.
>
> Er, I don't think Federer played seriously. But that wasn't because he
> played a few forehand slices when stretched out wide ...
>

There you go.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 09:15:09
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 5:12=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> TT wrote:
> >>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that eve=
n in
> >>>>> an exhibition.
> >>>> Wrong as usual
> >>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against =
his
> >>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
> >>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid mus=
t
> >>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> >>> forehand drives.
> >> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boos=
t
> >> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> > I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> > Bahrami out there ...
>
> Forehand slices for fuck's sake.

Er, he played a few forehand slice dropshots (a shot which Nadal plays
a lot), and sometimes a defensive slice when he was extended out wide.
Nearly everything else was a regular forehand drive.

Are you sure you were watching the right match?





  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:24:43
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 5:12 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> TT wrote:
>>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>>>>>> an exhibition.
>>>>>> Wrong as usual
>>>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
>>>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>>>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>>>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>>>>> forehand drives.
>>>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
>>>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>>> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
>>> Bahrami out there ...
>> Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>
> Er, he played a few forehand slice dropshots (a shot which Nadal plays
> a lot), and sometimes a defensive slice when he was extended out wide.
> Nearly everything else was a regular forehand drive.
>
> Are you sure you were watching the right match?
>
>

Obviously you weren't if you think he played anything seriously. The
difference between this match and fixed exhibition was that this wasn't
fixed...You could see Murray trying to win seriously. As would Nadal's
match against Davydenko suggest, but of course Davydenko might have had
his own fixes...which would be even worse what Roger did. But it's hard
to tell about Denko, he's an expert on art of fixing...Only betting
agencies can tell.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 09:07:44
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 5:02=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> TT wrote:
> > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even =
in
> >>> an exhibition.
>
> >> Wrong as usual
>
> > Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against hi=
s
> > rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>
> > That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
> > have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> > forehand drives.
>
> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.

I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
Bahrami out there ...





  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:12:02
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> TT wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>>>> an exhibition.
>>>> Wrong as usual
>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>>> forehand drives.
>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>
> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
> Bahrami out there ...
>
>
>

Forehand slices for fuck's sake.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 05:26:51
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
TT wrote:
> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>> TT wrote:
>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that
>>>>>> even in
>>>>>> an exhibition.
>>>>> Wrong as usual
>>>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against
>>>> his
>>>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>>>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>>>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>>>> forehand drives.
>>> People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
>>> one's own ego with so called fancy shots.
>>
>> I didn't see Federer play any "fancy" shots. He wasn't playing like
>> Bahrami out there ...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Forehand slices for fuck's sake.
>


Scarpiti would be bursting with pride.



 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 09:05:36
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 4:59=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even i=
n
> >> an exhibition.
>
> > Wrong as usual
>
> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
> rival. Except lame duck Roger.

Federer must be amazing then if he got it to a tie-break in the third
without making any effort whatsoever while Murray was trying his ass
off?

As Mikko has said many times, most exhibitions in the 70s and 80s were
scripted affairs where the first two sets would be split for the
benefit of the fans. But you should know that since you were present
at all of the ones which Lendl and McEnroe played.

>
> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> forehand drives.

They got a match which ended 7-6 in the third set - hard to argue
about that? Nadal couldn't take it that far today even though he was
giving it 100% ("folded mentally at the end of the third set"
according to Barry Cowan, though I thought that was a bit harsh
myself)





  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:11:18
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 4:59 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>>> an exhibition.
>>> Wrong as usual
>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>
> Federer must be amazing then if he got it to a tie-break in the third
> without making any effort whatsoever while Murray was trying his ass
> off?
>
> As Mikko has said many times, most exhibitions in the 70s and 80s were
> scripted affairs where the first two sets would be split for the
> benefit of the fans. But you should know that since you were present
> at all of the ones which Lendl and McEnroe played.
>
>> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
>> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
>> forehand drives.
>
> They got a match which ended 7-6 in the third set - hard to argue
> about that? Nadal couldn't take it that far today even though he was
> giving it 100% ("folded mentally at the end of the third set"
> according to Barry Cowan, though I thought that was a bit harsh
> myself)
>
>

It's always easy to just fool around and play loose. No pressure for
losing.
Federer began playing more seriously towards midway of the 3rd set, and
this kind of threw Murray off...he seemed to choke somewhat.

But in the end Federer trying to win tiebreak he netted 4 easy forehands
so he would have lost anyway even if he had tried...Probably would have
lost by larger margin. It's off putting to play against someone who
doesn't try, this from Murray's standpoint.

But if you don't have guts to try for real, losing because not trying
enough is no excuse. And it does effect opponents game.



--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 08:54:53
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...


gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ... as if it's a slam final.
>
> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
> run down - is this advisable?

It must be starkly different from the Federer-Murray match then. I
just watched the entire third set tiebreaker between Federer-Murray
and it didn't feel like a real match. They were taking it very easy,
just going through motions. No tension whatsoever. It was auto-pilot
tennis.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 18:21:19
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
"arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zaheen@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:79568c83-fe9d-4346-b08d-e37c12ab5a47@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> ... as if it's a slam final.
>>
>> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
>> run down - is this advisable?
>
> It must be starkly different from the Federer-Murray match then. I
> just watched the entire third set tiebreaker between Federer-Murray
> and it didn't feel like a real match. They were taking it very easy,
> just going through motions. No tension whatsoever. It was auto-pilot
> tennis.

so how come Fed look so unhappy when he lost it then?




   
Date: 03 Jan 2009 21:02:45
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
Iceberg wrote:
> "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zaheen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:79568c83-fe9d-4346-b08d-e37c12ab5a47@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> ... as if it's a slam final.
>>>
>>> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
>>> run down - is this advisable?
>> It must be starkly different from the Federer-Murray match then. I
>> just watched the entire third set tiebreaker between Federer-Murray
>> and it didn't feel like a real match. They were taking it very easy,
>> just going through motions. No tension whatsoever. It was auto-pilot
>> tennis.
>
> so how come Fed look so unhappy when he lost it then?
>
>

He has to spend quality time with Mirka.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 08:43:57
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
>
> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
> an exhibition.
>

Wrong as usual

> Apparently he didn't have guts to try for real...until he saw he had
> chances in the third. Nice 4 forehand UE's on tie-break when he actually
> =A0 tried.
> Who the hell wants to pay for that kind of shit really. Shameful.

Obviously the full house who watched it?

>
> Now Nadal and Murray, *that* was one hell of an exhibition...and very
> good match practice for both.

Didn't take long for your first anti-Federer post of 2009 - looking
forward to many more







  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:03:38
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Didn't take long for your first anti-Federer post of 2009 - looking
> forward to many more
>

I'm just saying like it is so piss off.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 18:59:33
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>> an exhibition.
>>
>
> Wrong as usual

Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
rival. Except lame duck Roger.

That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
forehand drives.


   
Date: 03 Jan 2009 22:17:13
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:59:33 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>> an exhibition.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong as usual
>
>Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
>rival. Except lame duck Roger.

Stop it, that's embarassing just to read. Exos are for having fun.
There is a serious season starting next week. WTF is this, complaining
about a guy losing 7-6 in the 3rd in an exo? This is just what the
script says.


    
Date: 03 Jan 2009 22:22:28
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:59:33 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>>> an exhibition.
>>>>
>>> Wrong as usual
>> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
>> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>
> Stop it, that's embarassing just to read. Exos are for having fun.
> There is a serious season starting next week. WTF is this, complaining
> about a guy losing 7-6 in the 3rd in an exo? This is just what the
> script says.

This exo wasn't scripted though.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


     
Date: 03 Jan 2009 21:03:33
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...

On 3-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> This exo wasn't scripted though.

I don't think it was either, but how do you know?


      
Date: 03 Jan 2009 23:08:27
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
>On 3-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> This exo wasn't scripted though.
>
>I don't think it was either, but how do you know?

Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
you really want to make it a problem.


       
Date: 04 Jan 2009 22:44:43
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This exo wasn't scripted though.
>> I don't think it was either, but how do you know?
>
> Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
> see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
> in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
> you really want to make it a problem.



I think fans want to see more than players fart arsing around - would
you pay for that?


       
Date: 03 Jan 2009 21:10:53
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...

On 3-Jan-2009, Sakari Lund <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On 3-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This exo wasn't scripted though.
> >
> >I don't think it was either, but how do you know?
>
> Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
> see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
> in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
> you really want to make it a problem.

I definitely agree that there is some understanding that the match needs to
be somewhat close. I get the feeling the winner is not decided beforehand
though.


        
Date: 04 Jan 2009 12:11:27
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
In article <ZvQ7l.30557$701.17797@newsfe12.iad >, jdeluise@gmail.com
(jdeluise) wrote:

>
> I definitely agree that there is some understanding that the match
> needs to
> be somewhat close. I get the feeling the winner is not decided
> beforehand
> though.

Pam Shriver told some funny stories in her book on the tour about playing
exos against Navratilova, who had to be frequently reminded that they were
supposed to be putting on an entertaining show instead of
Pam-plays-the-pigeon.

wg


   
Date: 03 Jan 2009 19:02:19
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
TT wrote:
> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
>>> an exhibition.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong as usual
>
> Point me an exo where great champion didn't have guts to try against his
> rival. Except lame duck Roger.
>
> That what he did wasn't even good match practice. People who paid must
> have been disappointed to watch his forehand slice dinks and netted
> forehand drives.

People want to see a real match and not some half-arsed effort to boost
one's own ego with so called fancy shots.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 08:05:02
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 11:03=A0am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 3, 3:58=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > ... as if it's a slam final.
>
> > Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
> > run down - is this advisable?
>
> yes i think fed had the right idea wearing his watch onto court.

And Fed was smiling a lot (which triggered Murray to force smiles).
And he was netrushing and trying to go for Wow shots.
I saw the exho and it didn't seem like Fed was putting heat on his
serves.

Anyways, the reason season starts next week.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 18:36:21
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
Lax wrote:
> On Jan 3, 11:03 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 3:58 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... as if it's a slam final.
>>> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
>>> run down - is this advisable?
>> yes i think fed had the right idea wearing his watch onto court.
>
> And Fed was smiling a lot (which triggered Murray to force smiles).
> And he was netrushing and trying to go for Wow shots.
> I saw the exho and it didn't seem like Fed was putting heat on his
> serves.
>
> Anyways, the reason season starts next week.

It was shameful what Roger did. No great champion would do that even in
an exhibition.

Apparently he didn't have guts to try for real...until he saw he had
chances in the third. Nice 4 forehand UE's on tie-break when he actually
tried.
Who the hell wants to pay for that kind of shit really. Shameful.

Now Nadal and Murray, *that* was one hell of an exhibition...and very
good match practice for both.

I've never seen Nadal hit so many backhands in one match, but that is
not saying that he didn't try to win all the way.
Both played well. Serve was the deciding factor imo, Nadal didn't get
freebies with his serve. Guess that's why Murray is a really tough
opponent on this surface, great returner with big serve and solid all
round game.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 08:03:46
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 3:58=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ... as if it's a slam final.
>
> Getting towards the 3-hour mark in the third set. Every ball is being
> run down - is this advisable?

yes i think fed had the right idea wearing his watch onto court.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 13:43:55
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Jan 3, 9:08=A0pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On =A03-Jan-2009, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >> This exo wasn't scripted though.
>
> >I don't think it was either, but how do you know?
>
> Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
> see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
> in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
> you really want to make it a problem.

This wasn't an exhibition, it was an exhibition *tournament* - that's
not quite the same thing.

In a one-off exhibition, there is an understanding that the match
should be close and it's generally about entertaining the fans.

In this sort of event, there's no obligation on the players to make
the match close, since there are further matches to play in the next
rounds - Murray tanked Blake 6-2 6-2 in the first match, playing
fairly normally.

However, since there are no ranking points on offer, there's also no
obligation on the players to play full out if they don't want to.

Federer clearly didn't, but that was his choice. I don't think the
match was scripted to finish 7-6 in the third, it should have been 6-2
to Murray except that he lost a bit of concentration/eased up towards
the end.


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 01:22:56
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:43:55 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 3, 9:08 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On  3-Jan-2009, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>> >> This exo wasn't scripted though.
>>
>> >I don't think it was either, but how do you know?
>>
>> Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
>> see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
>> in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
>> you really want to make it a problem.
>
>This wasn't an exhibition, it was an exhibition *tournament* - that's
>not quite the same thing.
>
>In a one-off exhibition, there is an understanding that the match
>should be close and it's generally about entertaining the fans.
>
>In this sort of event, there's no obligation on the players to make
>the match close, since there are further matches to play in the next
>rounds - Murray tanked Blake 6-2 6-2 in the first match, playing
>fairly normally.
>
>However, since there are no ranking points on offer, there's also no
>obligation on the players to play full out if they don't want to.
>
>Federer clearly didn't, but that was his choice. I don't think the
>match was scripted to finish 7-6 in the third, it should have been 6-2
>to Murray except that he lost a bit of concentration/eased up towards
>the end.


sampras would have beat both murray and nadal 606060 according to what
i am hearing from some "aussie" experts <g >.


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 00:07:59
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal and Murray throwing themselves around the court ...
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 9:08 pm, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:33 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 3-Jan-2009, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> This exo wasn't scripted though.
>>> I don't think it was either, but how do you know?
>> Not necessarily scripted, but come on! People go to exos expecting to
>> see the players having fun, trying different things, and if it is 7-6
>> in the 3rd, that's all you can ask for. There is no problem, unless
>> you really want to make it a problem.
>
> This wasn't an exhibition, it was an exhibition *tournament* - that's
> not quite the same thing.
>
> In a one-off exhibition, there is an understanding that the match
> should be close and it's generally about entertaining the fans.
>
> In this sort of event, there's no obligation on the players to make
> the match close, since there are further matches to play in the next
> rounds - Murray tanked Blake 6-2 6-2 in the first match, playing
> fairly normally.
>
> However, since there are no ranking points on offer, there's also no
> obligation on the players to play full out if they don't want to.
>
> Federer clearly didn't, but that was his choice. I don't think the
> match was scripted to finish 7-6 in the third, it should have been 6-2
> to Murray except that he lost a bit of concentration/eased up towards
> the end.

I agree with this post!

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"