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Date: 02 Feb 2009 16:14:28
From: Scott
Subject: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns





 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 08:02:02
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
On Feb 3, 3:47=A0am, MBDunc <micha...@mail.suomi.net > wrote:
> *skriptis kirjoitti:
>
> > Lendl did say HC killed his back. He can't play tennis anymore iirc.
> > Same happened to Agassi in later days of his career.
> > Sampras picked that back injury prior USO 99 while practicing on HC.
>
> > imo there should be minimal HC schedule. only USO summer season. later =
only
> > carpet indoors, slower if neccessary. but no indoor HC.
>
> > AO could go grass, artificial, synthetic grass or whatever.
> > switch those masters events in US to green clay, after it's southern/ea=
stern
> > tradition overthere.
>
> It is a combination of issues.
>
> 1) There have never been so few clay events as currently. (no US clay,
> very limited SA clay season, smaller European clay venues dismissed).
> 2) Carpet (way more easy for body) has been replaced by (slow) indoor
> hard.
> 3) Hard courts are slower than ever - makes points longer - strains
> more body.
> 4) Ranking system - pre 2000 you could build your top ranking from
> "easy for body" surfaces only. Now there is required HC events and HC
> events give relatively more prize money as well).
> 5) 64 draws at tuneups.
> 6) Open stance forehand (practically every top player who has open
> stance fh has encounterd severe injury problems at some point of their
> careers)

Speaking of injuries, haven't several two-handed players had wrist
problems? I think that was the case
with Agassi and Safin but I haven't heard too much about this problem
in recent years.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 00:47:41
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season


*skriptis kirjoitti:
> Lendl did say HC killed his back. He can't play tennis anymore iirc.
> Same happened to Agassi in later days of his career.
> Sampras picked that back injury prior USO 99 while practicing on HC.
>
> imo there should be minimal HC schedule. only USO summer season. later only
> carpet indoors, slower if neccessary. but no indoor HC.
>
> AO could go grass, artificial, synthetic grass or whatever.
> switch those masters events in US to green clay, after it's southern/eastern
> tradition overthere.

It is a combination of issues.

1) There have never been so few clay events as currently. (no US clay,
very limited SA clay season, smaller European clay venues dismissed).
2) Carpet (way more easy for body) has been replaced by (slow) indoor
hard.
3) Hard courts are slower than ever - makes points longer - strains
more body.
4) Ranking system - pre 2000 you could build your top ranking from
"easy for body" surfaces only. Now there is required HC events and HC
events give relatively more prize money as well).
5) 64 draws at tuneups.
6) Open stance forehand (practically every top player who has open
stance fh has encounterd severe injury problems at some point of their
careers)

The only "good" thing regarding to issue which has improved is
shifting from best-of-5 into best-of-three at most tuneups.

And yes. Bring green clay back and turn spring HC season into green
clay (IW/KeyBiscayne)...and who won't want more grasscourt....

.mikko



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 10:53:24
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:47:41 -0800 (PST), MBDunc <michaelb@mail.suomi.net > wrote:

>.... (no US clay,....

River Oaks is going to be very sorry to hear that.

-- Larry


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:48:57
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
On Feb 2, 7:14=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced seasonhttp://sports.yahoo.com/=
ten/news;_ylt=3DAirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?sl...

He started complaining from now just begining the year as #1 :)



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:57:25
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
"Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

> Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns

His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.





  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 01:13:46
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season

On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com > wrote:

> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.

One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more efficient
style of play that requires less running. Too late for that probably, but
that is hardly the fault of the ATP.


   
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:28:34
From: WAY2GOOD
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
"jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:gTMhl.47221$AN3.9856@newsfe13.iad...
>
> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>
>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
>> > http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>
>> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
>
> One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more efficient
> style of play that requires less running. Too late for that probably, but
> that is hardly the fault of the ATP.

It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
tournaments in.

As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
every way.





    
Date: 03 Feb 2009 01:45:20
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season

On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com > wrote:

> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gTMhl.47221$AN3.9856@newsfe13.iad...
> >
> > On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
> >> > http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
> >>
> >> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
> >
> > One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more efficient
> > style of play that requires less running. Too late for that probably,
> > but
> > that is hardly the fault of the ATP.
>
> It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
> off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
> I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
> injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
> because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
> tournaments in.
>
>
> As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
> I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
> every way.

Sorry pal, but I made no anti-Nadal statements here. I do agree that it's a
grueling sport but why start changing things now? Just because Nadal is #1
and says we should? Did you come here to complain about it when you saw how
tough hard courts were on Muster's body? Maybe but I doubt it.

At any rate, don't put words in my mouth because I want Nadal to keep
playing and certainly don't want to see him injured. You've got me confused
with someone else maybe.


     
Date: 03 Feb 2009 04:31:15
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
jdeluise wrote:
> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>
>> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gTMhl.47221$AN3.9856@newsfe13.iad...
>>> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
>>>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>>> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
>>> One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more efficient
>>> style of play that requires less running. Too late for that probably,
>>> but
>>> that is hardly the fault of the ATP.
>> It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
>> off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
>> I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
>> injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
>> because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
>> tournaments in.
>>
>>
>> As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
>> I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
>> every way.
>
> Sorry pal, but I made no anti-Nadal statements here. I do agree that it's a
> grueling sport but why start changing things now? Just because Nadal is #1
> and says we should? Did you come here to complain about it when you saw how
> tough hard courts were on Muster's body? Maybe but I doubt it.
>
> At any rate, don't put words in my mouth because I want Nadal to keep
> playing and certainly don't want to see him injured. You've got me confused
> with someone else maybe.

w2g might have a point though. There's no good reason for not accepting
Nadal's point of view...only wrong reasons, imo.


      
Date: 03 Feb 2009 02:42:40
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season

On 2-Feb-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
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> >>>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
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> >>>> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
> >>> One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more
> >>> efficient
> >>> style of play that requires less running. Too late for that probably,
> >>> but
> >>> that is hardly the fault of the ATP.
> >> It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
> >> off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
> >> I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
> >> injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
> >> because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
> >> tournaments in.
> >>
> >>
> >> As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
> >> I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
> >> every way.
> >
> > Sorry pal, but I made no anti-Nadal statements here. I do agree that
> > it's a
> > grueling sport but why start changing things now? Just because Nadal is
> > #1
> > and says we should? Did you come here to complain about it when you saw
> > how
> > tough hard courts were on Muster's body? Maybe but I doubt it.
> >
> > At any rate, don't put words in my mouth because I want Nadal to keep
> > playing and certainly don't want to see him injured. You've got me
> > confused
> > with someone else maybe.
>
> w2g might have a point though. There's no good reason for not accepting
> Nadal's point of view...only wrong reasons, imo.

Let's be honest, you guys wouldn't be bringing any of this up if Nadal
hadn't said it. You show no respect for the game or it's history and simply
want to change it to favor your player du jour.


      
Date: 03 Feb 2009 13:38:32
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season
TT wrote:
> jdeluise wrote:
>> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gTMhl.47221$AN3.9856@newsfe13.iad...
>>>> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
>>>>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>>>> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
>>>> One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more
>>>> efficient style of play that requires less running. Too late for
>>>> that probably, but
>>>> that is hardly the fault of the ATP.
>>> It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
>>> off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
>>> I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
>>> injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
>>> because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
>>> tournaments in.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
>>> I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
>>> every way.
>>
>> Sorry pal, but I made no anti-Nadal statements here. I do agree
>> that it's a grueling sport but why start changing things now? Just
>> because Nadal is #1 and says we should? Did you come here to
>> complain about it when you saw how tough hard courts were on
>> Muster's body? Maybe but I doubt it. At any rate, don't put words in my
>> mouth because I want Nadal to keep
>> playing and certainly don't want to see him injured. You've got me
>> confused with someone else maybe.
>
> w2g might have a point though. There's no good reason for not
> accepting Nadal's point of view...only wrong reasons, imo.

That depends on the number of players who have serious physical problems caused
by playing on hardcourt. Federer is one who appears untroubled by it.




       
Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:47:40
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, shorter season

"DavidW" <no@email.provided > wrote in message
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> TT wrote:
>> jdeluise wrote:
>>> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gTMhl.47221$AN3.9856@newsfe13.iad...
>>>>> On 2-Feb-2009, "WAY2GOOD" <way2good@wtg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7fcb25f6-abe1-4ba4-b249-09893dc438c7@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season
>>>>>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AirF1bq6U_D4UAQyuZDuyzo4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>>>>> His problem is that he makes perfect sense. The ATP hates that.
>>>>> One thing he could to to prevent injuries is to develop a more
>>>>> efficient style of play that requires less running. Too late for
>>>>> that probably, but
>>>>> that is hardly the fault of the ATP.
>>>> It's crazy to have a sport as physical as tennis is now with no real
>>>> off season. Your comment is just more anti-Nadal garbage.
>>>> I'd rather see these athletes on the court instead of out with
>>>> injuries or forced to retire from the game earlier than need be
>>>> because the ATP wants to squeeze a few more hardcourt
>>>> tournaments in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As for you, you'd like to see Nadal out of the game for good.
>>>> I guess I can't blame you, seeing as how he owns your boy in
>>>> every way.
>>>
>>> Sorry pal, but I made no anti-Nadal statements here. I do agree
>>> that it's a grueling sport but why start changing things now? Just
>>> because Nadal is #1 and says we should? Did you come here to
>>> complain about it when you saw how tough hard courts were on
>>> Muster's body? Maybe but I doubt it. At any rate, don't put words in my
>>> mouth because I want Nadal to keep
>>> playing and certainly don't want to see him injured. You've got me
>>> confused with someone else maybe.
>>
>> w2g might have a point though. There's no good reason for not
>> accepting Nadal's point of view...only wrong reasons, imo.
>
> That depends on the number of players who have serious physical problems
> caused by playing on hardcourt. Federer is one who appears untroubled by
> it.


Lendl did say HC killed his back. He can't play tennis anymore iirc.
Same happened to Agassi in later days of his career.
Sampras picked that back injury prior USO 99 while practicing on HC.

imo there should be minimal HC schedule. only USO summer season. later only
carpet indoors, slower if neccessary. but no indoor HC.

AO could go grass, artificial, synthetic grass or whatever.
switch those masters events in US to green clay, after it's southern/eastern
tradition overthere.