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Date: 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38
From: Stapler
Subject: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.




 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 11:59:39
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote:

>Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.

What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
part of the ball was outside the line.

Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 08:01:24
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 8:02=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:52:38 -0800 (PST), Quincy <ab...@email.de>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 24, 12:59=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >> >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> >> What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
> >> part of the ball was outside the line.
>
> >> Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?
>
> >Do you think Uncle Toni bribed the linesmen?
>
> Of course not. He bought the same Diebold computer the Repugs use to
> win elections and had it converted to fix replays.

Hey, but at least the Repubs hate gays, right?


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 05:25:10
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 6:59=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
> part of the ball was outside the line.
>
> Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?

You're giving the tennis gods an excuse to early exit Federer. Watch
your step man. They're on to you.


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:27:44
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
blueskates1111@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 6:59 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>> What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
>> part of the ball was outside the line.
>>
>> Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?
>
> You're giving the tennis gods an excuse to early exit Federer. Watch
> your step man. They're on to you.

Good post.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 05:23:54
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 8:00=A0am, Adam Thirnis <adam.thir...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 24, 12:52=A0pm, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 24, 12:59=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > > >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> > > What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
> > > part of the ball was outside the line.
>
> > > Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?
>
> > Do you think Uncle Toni bribed the linesmen?
>
> hardly necessary - haas is 31 and hasn't played an event since uso

Exactly. Haas was never a threat.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 05:05:55
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On 24 Jan, 13:00, Adam Thirnis <adam.thir...@gmail.com > wrote:

> hardly necessary - haas is 31 and hasn't played an event since uso

yep - i'm surprised that anyone thought that this would be a tough
match for Rafa. At best for Haas it may have been 7-5 6-4 6-4; in fact
he managed just 8 games.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 05:00:48
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 12:52=A0pm, Quincy <ab...@email.de > wrote:
> On Jan 24, 12:59=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> > What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
> > part of the ball was outside the line.
>
> > Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?
>
> Do you think Uncle Toni bribed the linesmen?

hardly necessary - haas is 31 and hasn't played an event since uso


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 04:52:38
From: Quincy
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 12:59=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
> part of the ball was outside the line.
>
> Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?

Do you think Uncle Toni bribed the linesmen?


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 13:02:18
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:52:38 -0800 (PST), Quincy <abydr@email.de >
wrote:

>On Jan 24, 12:59 pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:43:38 GMT, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> >Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>>
>> What form ? His cheating form ? Haas just won a challenge where no
>> part of the ball was outside the line.
>>
>> Uncle Tony's magic perhaps ?
>
>Do you think Uncle Toni bribed the linesmen?


Of course not. He bought the same Diebold computer the Repugs use to
win elections and had it converted to fix replays.


 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 03:45:05
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 11:43=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.

Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.

Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
playing reasonably well but nothing special.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 11:11:36
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On 24 jan, 19:12, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 12:40 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
> >>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
> >>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> >>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
> >>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
> >>> analysis.
> >> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> >> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> >> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> >> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>
> >> Nadal played well but I think he might need to play better to beat
> >> Murray if they meet.
>
> > One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
> > Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
> > like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
> > rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
> > comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
> > domination.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they had.
> It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly solid
> and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few games)
>
> Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
> he made it happen.
>
> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
> over again.

Haas couldn't pressure Nadal when he had the chance. He didn't hit his
forehand inside out enough, nor convincingly when he did, and
therefore wasn't able to rush Rafa. Haas looked very nervous/tight
throughout the match. Instead of rushing Nadal he rushed himself. So I
think you're in for a major disappointment.

A big problem with your theory is that if he meets Murray, Nadal will
not play at that level you (think you) saw. My hunch is you will
consider him playing poorly.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 13:33:30
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 9:26=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I said Nadal played well - I simply disagreed with the idea that the
> > result will be the same if he plays Murray, since I think that Haas
> > did not play that well and Murray is a better player than Haas.
>
> No matches are identical. Nadal will most probably also play differently
> against Murray. At least against Monfils. But of course I agree that
> saying this will prove a win for Nadal against Murray is nonsense.
> Murray himself plays brilliantly these days.
>

All very well saying that, but anyone who points any of this stuff out
is immediately branded a "fedfucker"





   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 00:51:19
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>> No matches are identical. Nadal will most probably also play differently
>> against Murray. At least against Monfils. But of course I agree that
>> saying this will prove a win for Nadal against Murray is nonsense.
>> Murray himself plays brilliantly these days.
>>
>
> All very well saying that, but anyone who points any of this stuff out
> is immediately branded a "fedfucker"

I know, it is hopeless. Let's try as best as we can to have good
discussions without silly or irrelevant remarks.

PS.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 13:24:11
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 9:13=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> > Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> > nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> > keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>
> Can't you guys meet halfway? It seems pretty obvious to me. Haas didn't
> manage to push Nadal enough, but Nadal took advantage of that
> brilliantly. A guy can play magnificant although his opponent does not
> use the correct strategy or at least is not able to execute it.

the idea that beating 30 year old haas playing his first event since
the uso means anything is very funny :)


   
Date: 25 Jan 2009 00:32:56
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
Adam Thirnis wrote:

>> Can't you guys meet halfway? It seems pretty obvious to me. Haas didn't
>> manage to push Nadal enough, but Nadal took advantage of that
>> brilliantly. A guy can play magnificant although his opponent does not
>> use the correct strategy or at least is not able to execute it.
>
> the idea that beating 30 year old haas playing his first event since
> the uso means anything is very funny :)

I am pretty sure most players on the tour could not perform like Nadal
did against Haas, if any. Haas won his two first matches very easily and
was by many people in here predicted to give Nadal some trouble.

And don't put words in my mouth. Haas didn't play amazing against Nadal,
but Nadal took advantage of his weaknesses perfectly. That was the only
thing I said. Period.

PS.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 13:24:05
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 7:16=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 24 Jan, 18:12, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> > If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
> > Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
> > over again.
>
> Too black and white - don't forget that Murray was exhausted at
> Wimbledon last year when he played Nadal, as he had just come through
> a long match with Gasquet. If Nadal and Murray were to play here, it
> would be a tough one to call, but I think I'd give Murray a marginal
> edge.

murray is a much better player on hc than he is on grass - just as
nadal is better on grass than hc - which is why the wimbledon result
was reversed at uso. this ao surface is slower than new york but
murray looks to have improved since then so the semi will be
interesting.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 13:23:44
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 9:13=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> > Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> > nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> > keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>
> Can't you guys meet halfway? It seems pretty obvious to me. Haas didn't
> manage to push Nadal enough, but Nadal took advantage of that
> brilliantly. A guy can play magnificant although his opponent does not
> use the correct strategy or at least is not able to execute it.
>
> PS.

I said Nadal played well - I simply disagreed with the idea that the
result will be the same if he plays Murray, since I think that Haas
did not play that well and Murray is a better player than Haas.

I can't work out what is such a big deal about that?




   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 22:26:14
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

> I said Nadal played well - I simply disagreed with the idea that the
> result will be the same if he plays Murray, since I think that Haas
> did not play that well and Murray is a better player than Haas.

No matches are identical. Nadal will most probably also play differently
against Murray. At least against Monfils. But of course I agree that
saying this will prove a win for Nadal against Murray is nonsense.
Murray himself plays brilliantly these days.

PS.


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 10:35:00
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4

> > One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
> > Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
> > like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
> > rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
> > comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
> > domination.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they had.
> It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly solid
> and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few games)
>
> Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
> he made it happen.
>
> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
> over again.

Total nonsense.

I watched the match and Haas played averagely at best. He does not
have enough power on either wing to trouble Nadal and made some ill-
advised decisions to come into the net from poor situations. He looked
resigned to defeat by the end of the first set. Nadal was very solid
(low UE count) but most of his winners came from easy positions after
forcing Haas to drop short.

The idea that Murray could not do better than Haas today is
ridiculous. Murray does pretty much everything better than Haas,
including much better movement and the ability to deal with the balls
coming to his backhand which Haas could not handle.

Nadal played well but Murray will be a totally different proposition.



   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:41:46
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
>>> Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
>>> like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
>>> rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
>>> comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
>>> domination.
>>> Joe Ramirez
>> Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they had.
>> It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly solid
>> and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few games)
>>
>> Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
>> he made it happen.
>>
>> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
>> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
>> over again.
>
> Total nonsense.
>
> I watched the match and Haas played averagely at best. He does not
> have enough power on either wing to trouble Nadal and made some ill-
> advised decisions to come into the net from poor situations. He looked
> resigned to defeat by the end of the first set. Nadal was very solid
> (low UE count) but most of his winners came from easy positions after
> forcing Haas to drop short.

I said:

"Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
he made it happen."


Your counterargument:

"Nadal was very solid (low UE count) but most of his winners came from
easy positions after forcing Haas to drop short"

...and I didn't even *force* you to drop short...
;)



--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 09:40:28
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 3:25=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> > Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>
> > Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> > playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>
> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
> analysis.

53 winners in the first set? Amazing.

Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
keep the ball going hence the low UE count.

Nadal played well but I think he might need to play better to beat
Murray if they meet.



   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 22:13:59
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.

Can't you guys meet halfway? It seems pretty obvious to me. Haas didn't
manage to push Nadal enough, but Nadal took advantage of that
brilliantly. A guy can play magnificant although his opponent does not
use the correct strategy or at least is not able to execute it.

PS.


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 19:54:35
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
>> analysis.
>
> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.

22 in the first set.


>
> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>

You know don't know shit.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 11:26:35
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
> >> "Nadal was very solid (low UE count) but most of his winners came from
> >> easy positions after forcing Haas to drop short"
>
> >> ...and I didn't even *force* you to drop short...
> >> ;)
>
> > Do you think Nadal will find it as easy to force Murray to drop short?
>
> Don't change the subject. Bye.

Pathetic.

Nadal forced Haas to drop short by taking advantage of his relatively
poor movement and giving him difficult balls to his backhand which
Haas struggled to deal with. This won't be so easy against Murray as
Murray moves much better and has a much better double-hander which can
deal with these balls and hit them back deep - hence much less chance
of Murray's shots coming short.

This was certainly the case in their last two matches (maybe you
missed them?)

But go ahead, disappear once someone points out some basic points
about the game.





   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 21:32:54
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> "Nadal was very solid (low UE count) but most of his winners came from
>>>> easy positions after forcing Haas to drop short"
>>>> ...and I didn't even *force* you to drop short...
>>>> ;)
>>> Do you think Nadal will find it as easy to force Murray to drop short?
>> Don't change the subject. Bye.
>
> Pathetic.
>
> Nadal forced Haas to drop short by taking advantage of his relatively
> poor movement and giving him difficult balls to his backhand which
> Haas struggled to deal with. This won't be so easy against Murray as
> Murray moves much better and has a much better double-hander which can
> deal with these balls and hit them back deep - hence much less chance
> of Murray's shots coming short.
>
> This was certainly the case in their last two matches (maybe you
> missed them?)
>
> But go ahead, disappear once someone points out some basic points
> about the game.
>
>
>

You just can't take a loss.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 11:16:26
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On 24 Jan, 18:12, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:

> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
> over again.

Too black and white - don't forget that Murray was exhausted at
Wimbledon last year when he played Nadal, as he had just come through
a long match with Gasquet. If Nadal and Murray were to play here, it
would be a tough one to call, but I think I'd give Murray a marginal
edge.






  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 10:45:42
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 6:41=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
> >>> Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
> >>> like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
> >>> rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
> >>> comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
> >>> domination.
> >>> Joe Ramirez
> >> Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they =
had.
> >> It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly soli=
d
> >> and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few gam=
es)
>
> >> Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself=
,
> >> he made it happen.
>
> >> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
> >> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
> >> over again.
>
> > Total nonsense.
>
> > I watched the match and Haas played averagely at best. He does not
> > have enough power on either wing to trouble Nadal and made some ill-
> > advised decisions to come into the net from poor situations. He looked
> > resigned to defeat by the end of the first set. Nadal was very solid
> > (low UE count) but most of his winners came from easy positions after
> > forcing Haas to drop short.
>
> I said:
>
> "Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
> he made it happen."
>
> Your counterargument:
>
> "Nadal was very solid (low UE count) but most of his winners came from
> easy positions after forcing Haas to drop short"
>
> ...and I didn't even *force* you to drop short...
> ;)

Do you think Nadal will find it as easy to force Murray to drop short?





   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:48:34
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 6:41 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
>>>>> Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
>>>>> like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
>>>>> rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
>>>>> comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
>>>>> domination.
>>>>> Joe Ramirez
>>>> Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they had.
>>>> It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly solid
>>>> and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few games)
>>>> Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
>>>> he made it happen.
>>>> If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
>>>> Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
>>>> over again.
>>> Total nonsense.
>>> I watched the match and Haas played averagely at best. He does not
>>> have enough power on either wing to trouble Nadal and made some ill-
>>> advised decisions to come into the net from poor situations. He looked
>>> resigned to defeat by the end of the first set. Nadal was very solid
>>> (low UE count) but most of his winners came from easy positions after
>>> forcing Haas to drop short.
>> I said:
>>
>> "Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
>> he made it happen."
>>
>> Your counterargument:
>>
>> "Nadal was very solid (low UE count) but most of his winners came from
>> easy positions after forcing Haas to drop short"
>>
>> ...and I didn't even *force* you to drop short...
>> ;)
>
> Do you think Nadal will find it as easy to force Murray to drop short?
>
>
>

Don't change the subject. Bye.

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Date: 24 Jan 2009 10:08:36
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 6:06=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 5:54 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
> >>>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
> >>>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> >>>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
> >>>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Grea=
t
> >>>> analysis.
> >>> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
> >> 22 in the first set.
>
> >>> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas ha=
d
> >>> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> >>> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
> >> You know don't know shit.
>
> > Know or don't know?
>
> > So how come Safin is supposedly a joke opponent for Federer yesterday
> > when he played at least as well as Haas did today?
>
> No he did not.

I disagree.

So is Nadal peaking in the third round?



   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:13:14
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 6:06 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 5:54 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>>>>>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>>>>>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
>>>>>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>>>>>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
>>>>>> analysis.
>>>>> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>>>> 22 in the first set.
>>>>> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
>>>>> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
>>>>> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>>>> You know don't know shit.
>>> Know or don't know?
>>> So how come Safin is supposedly a joke opponent for Federer yesterday
>>> when he played at least as well as Haas did today?
>> No he did not.
>
> I disagree.
>
> So is Nadal peaking in the third round?
>

Apparently he is. Hope it lasts.

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singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 10:05:10
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 5:54=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
> >>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
> >>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> >>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
> >> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
> >> analysis.
>
> > 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> 22 in the first set.
>
>
>
> > Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> > nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> > keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>
> You know don't know shit.

Know or don't know?

So how come Safin is supposedly a joke opponent for Federer yesterday
when he played at least as well as Haas did today?



   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:06:15
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 5:54 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>>>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>>>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
>>>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>>>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
>>>> analysis.
>>> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>> 22 in the first set.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
>>> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
>>> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>> You know don't know shit.
>
> Know or don't know?
>
> So how come Safin is supposedly a joke opponent for Federer yesterday
> when he played at least as well as Haas did today?
>

No he did not.

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"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 09:55:56
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
On Jan 24, 12:40=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:25=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> > >> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> > > Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>
> > > Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> > > playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>
> > You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
> > analysis.
>
> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>
> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>
> Nadal played well but I think he might need to play better to beat
> Murray if they meet.

One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
domination.

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:12:24
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Jan 24, 12:40 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 24, 3:25 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>>>> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>>>> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
>>>> playing reasonably well but nothing special.
>>> You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
>>> analysis.
>> 53 winners in the first set? Amazing.
>>
>> Regardless of the stats, Nadal did not have to do much here - Haas had
>> nothing to hurt him with and made plenty of errors. Nadal just had to
>> keep the ball going hence the low UE count.
>>
>> Nadal played well but I think he might need to play better to beat
>> Murray if they meet.
>
> One thing that's certain is that many shots that are winners against
> Haas would not be winners against Murray. Haas against Nadal is a bit
> like Roddick against Federer: Haas/Rod can't pressure Nadal/Fed in
> rallies, moves rather slowly, and feeds Nadal/Fed a lot of balls in a
> comfortable hitting zone. The result is high winner counts and easy
> domination.
>
> Joe Ramirez

Obviously you didn't watch the match and all those great rallies they had.
It wasn't about matchup, it was about Nadal playing devastatingly solid
and strong throughout the entire match. (well apart from first few games)

Nadal earned his "lots of balls in a comfortable hitting zone" himself,
he made it happen.

If he would play on this level rest of the tournament I don't see
Murrays having any more chance than Haas did. Would be Wimbledon all
over again.

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"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 24 Jan 2009 17:25:43
From: TT
Subject: Re: Nadal destroying Haas 6-4
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:43 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> Nadal in this form will destroy the rest fo the field, no doubts.
>
> Poor analysis - on this form I would pick Murray to beat Nadal.
>
> Haas started well, but has started to make lots of errors. Nadal
> playing reasonably well but nothing special.

You're right...53 winners and 8 UE's by Nadal. Nothing special. Great
analysis.

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"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"