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Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25
From: drew
Subject: Nadal seems older than 22
I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles
on a young body.

I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
over 26.

Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
after 25.

This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks
probable.

USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
another 5 years unless he gets injured.




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:36:14
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On 5 Feb, 22:56, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2:53=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 10:24 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 12:21 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 6, 12:15 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> > > > > ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great ten=
nis
> > > > > player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyo=
ne
> > > > > couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out the=
re...
> > > > > you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if =
you
> > > > > enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his sche=
dule
> > > > > over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees=
,
> > > > > thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has=
to
> > > > > begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other w=
ise
> > > > > be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis.=
..
>
> > > > > P
>
> > > > Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half=
a
> > > > step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.
>
> > > at this time chances of Federer losing half a step are more than that
> > > for Rafa.
>
> > But who would be hurt more by losing half a step?
>
> ++ Rafa's game is retrieving and punishing... but he has to retrieve
> at an astounding level to punish :)
>
> P

Im still very skeptical about the knee issues .

I suffered joint problemd for over 18 yrs and I know how notrious bad
they are for breaking down even under normal cirumstances i.e.even
with long rest ( Im talking year etc here )

If it muscles or cramps I could see how he could suddenly go from "
serious " knee woes to moving at the level he does - but you look at
other joint problems like shoulders with sharapova or the capiratis or
the Haas or ..

You get the picture and they never even said it was bad or serious in
the same way camp Nadal claimed..

So that IMO is complete bull , any one with srious joint issues can
not move like even with surgery or rest - as Hewitt shows they are
never the same..

If you ask me Nadal is using this as pyschological ploy more than
anything i..e wouldnt it dishearten any one to lose to somoene like
that who - even on 2 fucked knees - can apaprently still outrun you
and beat you ??

IMO its just all part of this scheme to make out to add to his myth of
being superhuman ..

I dont doubt he has some pains from the hard but to call it serious
etc and then wear those supports as though he suffers from joint
instability is a joke .

Even if it was minor instabllity the sheer torque from the way he
throws his joints about would fuck his knees in instant , and have you
seen some the pics where hes literally got all his weight on his
ankles and knees while falling back ?

From someone with suppose knees woes that would be like suicide -
period..

The whole knee as excuse for changing his game is just more mind games
as much as when he says Roger is best after whipping him again -

Nadals best weapon may be his mind indeed - esp the way he uses it to
manipualte media and public so as to actually belive some of the shit
he strying to sell.

For one thing if he is offocially injuired ( and i have nothing
against him wearing supports to prevent it ) but if he is as bad as he
says then what is the exact problem ?

If an oppenent is pretending to be injuired far worse than he is -
well go figure - its bit like a wolf in sheeps clothing ..








 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:56:56
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 2:53=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:24 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 12:21 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 6, 12:15 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> > > > ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tenni=
s
> > > > player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> > > > couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there=
...
> > > > you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if yo=
u
> > > > enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedu=
le
> > > > over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
> > > > thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has t=
o
> > > > begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wis=
e
> > > > be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...
>
> > > > P
>
> > > Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half a
> > > step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.
>
> > at this time chances of Federer losing half a step are more than that
> > for Rafa.
>
> But who would be hurt more by losing half a step?

++ Rafa's game is retrieving and punishing... but he has to retrieve
at an astounding level to punish :)

P


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:32:49
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On 5 Feb, 17:40, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles
> on a young body.
>
> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> over 26.
>
> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> after 25.
>
> This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks
> probable.
>
> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> another 5 years unless he gets injured.

too many pink cigarettes : )


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 12:38:44
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 12:40=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles
> on a young body.
>
> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> over 26.
>
> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> after 25.
>
> This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks
> probable.
>
> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> another 5 years unless he gets injured.

May be he is growing too much :)


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:53:51
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 10:24 am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:21 pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 12:15 am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> > > ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
> > > player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> > > couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there...
> > > you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
> > > enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedule
> > > over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
> > > thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has to
> > > begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wise
> > > be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...
>
> > > P
>
> > Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half a
> > step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.
>
> at this time chances of Federer losing half a step are more than that
> for Rafa.

But who would be hurt more by losing half a step?


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:45:05
From: Giovanna
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
yeah he looks like 43~~



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:37:05
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 10:45=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:40=A0pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:
> > > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of mile=
s on
> > > a young body.
>
> > > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > > over 26.
>
> > > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games af=
ter
> > > 25.
>
> > > This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks probabl=
e.
>
> > > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for =
it
> > > but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for anot=
her
> > > 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> > Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played the =
FO -
> > he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.
>
> > So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries going=
into
> > the French Open.
>
> > --
> > =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I think he needs to take it easy on hard courts. I mean, what's the
> point of playing Rotterdam? I assume he's also
> playing Dubai too before the U.S. MS tournaments?
>
> He needs to think right now how he's going to prolong his career as
> much as possible because he does have a legit shot of chasing the Slam
> mark if he can find a way to pace himself and peak at the big
> tournaments.-



++ Yes... we agree... though it is difficult for great athletes to
play against their natures, to do thing in contradistinction to their
way of proceeding... and Nadal loves to go to tournaments, defend his
titles, compete and find his way beyond expectation toward
accomplishment... he loves to practice all the time and be about the
business of striving and getting better, always doing, doing, doing...
and it is that need to live out his committed intensity that will have
to be harnessed, to some degree... though it might be antithetical to
his (athletic) nature... IF HIS KNEES are truly an issue... knee
issues often becoming hip or back issues as well... BUT HE'S 22-23...
feeling his prime powers on top of the tennis world... of COURSE he
just wants to get back out there... and have at it... he loves it...
caution is for the old, the broken and fearful... LOL...

So one might reasonably assume, Toni Nadal ponders and suggests...
putting the bug of perspective into Nadal's ear!

P


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:23:38
From: drew
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 2:09 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:59 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 1:45 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 1:40 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:
> > > > > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles on
> > > > > a young body.
>
> > > > > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > > > > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > > > > over 26.
>
> > > > > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > > > > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games after
> > > > > 25.
>
> > > > > This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks probable.
>
> > > > > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for it
> > > > > but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for another
> > > > > 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> > > > Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played the FO -
> > > > he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.
>
> > > > So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries going into
> > > > the French Open.
>
> > > > --
> > > > ,/ \,
> > > > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > > > `-----)~ ~(-----`
> > > > '( \ / )'- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I think he needs to take it easy on hard courts. I mean, what's the
> > > point of playing Rotterdam? I assume he's also
> > > playing Dubai too before the U.S. MS tournaments?
>
> > > He needs to think right now how he's going to prolong his career as
> > > much as possible because he does have a legit shot of chasing the Slam
> > > mark if he can find a way to pace himself and peak at the big
> > > tournaments.
>
> > I'm sorry that the game has become focussed entirely upon the major
> > tournaments. It is to the detriment of the game.
>
> > Had previous champions been so obsessed with winning the big 4 we'd
> > have had some remarkable numbers to chase at this point.
>
> Interesting. Who in the Open Era do you think would have more than 14
> if they were exclusively focused on Slams?
>
> Other than Borg, I can't think of anyone else. And anyway, he and
> Connors, if they had played the AO in the late
> 70s, might've split those.


Well, the 70s were tough because there were so many good players to
share out the major events and the same can be said of the 80s.

Borg, Connors and Lendl even though Lendl himself declared that the
majors were all important. He played a LOT of other events. McEnroe
maybe. I'm not saying who would have what but I think it's safe to
say that there would be a few guys around the 10-11 mark who topped
out at 7-8 for their career because they played to win so much outside
of the majors.

Another option would be to drop the Master's series entirely and add a
couple more majors to the list so that you have 6 majors. I think
China could do a hard court and Argentina a clay court major.

Of course this would piss the GOAT parade off immensely because they
wouldn't be able to count currency properly anymore in the light of
such inflation.

Better go back to wooden racquets and get rid of poly string too. Too
much change will give guys like Whisper a stroke....maybe that's
already happened.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 20:43:29
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
drew wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2:09 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 1:59 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:

> Another option would be to drop the Master's series entirely and add a
> couple more majors to the list so that you have 6 majors. I think
> China could do a hard court and Argentina a clay court major.


lol




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:21:35
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 6, 12:15=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:09=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
> player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there...
> you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
> enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedule
> over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
> thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has to
> begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wise
> be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...
>
> P

Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half a
step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:09:19
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:59=A0pm, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:45 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 1:40 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:
> > > > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of mi=
les on
> > > > a young body.
>
> > > > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rath=
er
> > > > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he=
's
> > > > over 26.
>
> > > > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there a=
re
> > > > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games =
after
> > > > 25.
>
> > > > This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks proba=
ble.
>
> > > > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up fo=
r it
> > > > but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for an=
other
> > > > 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> > > Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played th=
e FO -
> > > he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.
>
> > > So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries goi=
ng into
> > > the French Open.
>
> > > --
> > > =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> > > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > > =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think he needs to take it easy on hard courts. I mean, what's the
> > point of playing Rotterdam? I assume he's also
> > playing Dubai too before the U.S. MS tournaments?
>
> > He needs to think right now how he's going to prolong his career as
> > much as possible because he does have a legit shot of chasing the Slam
> > mark if he can find a way to pace himself and peak at the big
> > tournaments.
>
> I'm sorry that the game has become focussed entirely upon the major
> tournaments. =A0It is to the detriment of the game.
>
> Had previous champions been so obsessed with winning the big 4 we'd
> have had some remarkable numbers to chase at this point. =A0

Interesting. Who in the Open Era do you think would have more than 14
if they were exclusively focused on Slams?

Other than Borg, I can't think of anyone else. And anyway, he and
Connors, if they had played the AO in the late
70s, might've split those.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:05:49
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 9:40=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles
> on a young body.
>
> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> over 26.
>
> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> after 25.
>
> This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks
> probable.
>
> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> another 5 years unless he gets injured.

++ When Nadal takes his first career 'dip' it's going to be a big on,
shocking a lot of people... it might be injury based of he'll wake up
one day in otherwise good form on the court and just not have it/
anything... and he'll go into a funk for a while... typical of his
great powers of recovery he'll cycle back BUT IT IS THEN that he needs
to be careful for that is historically where/when injury begins to
grip you... hopefully he can avoid this, though, that is often a
matter of sheer fate...

Great tennis players used to move into slam mostly-only mode around
30ish... Fed refit that to 27ish given the long season and punishing
nature of postmodern tennis and alltime/realtime media-ization of
tennis at the top level... I WONDER if Nadal might start around
23ish... that would be FUNNY...

P


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:44:39
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> On Feb 5, 9:40 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles
>> on a young body.
>>
>> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
>> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
>> over 26.
>>
>> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
>> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
>> after 25.
>>
>> This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks
>> probable.
>>
>> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
>> it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
>> another 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> ++ When Nadal takes his first career 'dip' it's going to be a big on,
> shocking a lot of people... it might be injury based of he'll wake up
> one day in otherwise good form on the court and just not have it/
> anything... and he'll go into a funk for a while... typical of his
> great powers of recovery he'll cycle back BUT IT IS THEN that he needs
> to be careful for that is historically where/when injury begins to
> grip you... hopefully he can avoid this, though, that is often a
> matter of sheer fate...
>
> Great tennis players used to move into slam mostly-only mode around
> 30ish... Fed refit that to 27ish

You mean Fed regressed to 27 - Sampras started it at 23.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:59:24
From: drew
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:45 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:40 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:
> > > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles on
> > > a young body.
>
> > > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > > over 26.
>
> > > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games after
> > > 25.
>
> > > This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks probable.
>
> > > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for it
> > > but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for another
> > > 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> > Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played the FO -
> > he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.
>
> > So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries going into
> > the French Open.
>
> > --
> > ,/ \,
> > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > `-----)~ ~(-----`
> > '( \ / )'- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I think he needs to take it easy on hard courts. I mean, what's the
> point of playing Rotterdam? I assume he's also
> playing Dubai too before the U.S. MS tournaments?
>
> He needs to think right now how he's going to prolong his career as
> much as possible because he does have a legit shot of chasing the Slam
> mark if he can find a way to pace himself and peak at the big
> tournaments.


I'm sorry that the game has become focussed entirely upon the major
tournaments. It is to the detriment of the game.

Had previous champions been so obsessed with winning the big 4 we'd
have had some remarkable numbers to chase at this point. Sampras
started this trend to playing only for the majors at the expense of
everything else. All of the other events might as well be fucking
challengers nowadays because the top players don't give a rat's ass if
they win or lose them or if they even play them at all.

There are too many events. I'd like to see the season cut down to 8
important events excepting the master's at the end of the year. This
would reduce the status of a lot of significant events but if it
doesn't happen soon, all of the events other than the majors will
become meaningless and that would be a shame.

4 Master's series events, one on each surface with final played best
of 5. Everything else is optional.



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 19:02:13
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
drew wrote:
>
> There are too many events. I'd like to see the season cut down to 8
> important events excepting the master's at the end of the year. This
> would reduce the status of a lot of significant events but if it
> doesn't happen soon, all of the events other than the majors will
> become meaningless and that would be a shame.
>

That's always been the case. When you read through old tennis books
it's always the slams & DC that are mentioned 1st.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:45:52
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:40=A0pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:
> > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles =
on
> > a young body.
>
> > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > over 26.
>
> > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games afte=
r
> > 25.
>
> > This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks probable.
>
> > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for it
> > but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for anothe=
r
> > 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played the FO=
-
> he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.
>
> So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries going i=
nto
> the French Open.
>
> --
> =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think he needs to take it easy on hard courts. I mean, what's the
point of playing Rotterdam? I assume he's also
playing Dubai too before the U.S. MS tournaments?

He needs to think right now how he's going to prolong his career as
much as possible because he does have a legit shot of chasing the Slam
mark if he can find a way to pace himself and peak at the big
tournaments.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:45:36
From: drew
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:11 pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:40 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles
> > on a young body.
>
> > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > over 26.
>
> > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> > after 25.
>
> > This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks
> > probable.
>
> > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> > it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> > another 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> Here's how the grand slam count will look like after Nadal is retired:
>
> Federer - 15 (6W, 6USO, 3 AO, 0FO)
>
> Sampras - 14 (7W, 5USO, 2 AO, 0FO)
>
> Nadal - 13 (2 W, 1 USO, 2 AO, 8FO) with a career grand-slam and a 20-8
> winning record over the almost-GOAT candidate.
>
> The GOAT debate will not be settled.


For those with too much time on their hands, this argument will live
forever.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 18:40:46
From: Hg
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40:25 -0800, drew wrote:

> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles on
> a young body.
>
> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> over 26.
>
> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games after
> 25.
>
> This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks probable.
>
> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for it
> but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for another
> 5 years unless he gets injured.

Hopefully, all his bad luck has been used up before he ever played the FO -
he had to pull out the first two times he was supposed to play there.

So, I'm hoping he has nothing but good fortune regarding injuries going into
the French Open.



--
,/ \,
((___,---"""""---,___))
`-----)~ ~(-----`
'( \ / )'


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:39:47
From: drew
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:17 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:11 pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 11:40 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. A lot of miles
> > > on a young body.
>
> > > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > > over 26.
>
> > > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> > > after 25.
>
> > > This year could be the big one for Nadal. 3/4 majors looks
> > > probable.
>
> > > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> > > it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> > > another 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> > Here's how the grand slam count will look like after Nadal is retired:
>
> > Federer - 15 (6W, 6USO, 3 AO, 0FO)
>
> > Sampras - 14 (7W, 5USO, 2 AO, 0FO)
>
> > Nadal - 13 (2 W, 1 USO, 2 AO, 8FO) with a career grand-slam and a 20-8
> > winning record over the almost-GOAT candidate.
>
> > The GOAT debate will not be settled.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Can you also look into your crystal ball and tell me which stocks will
> go through the roof once this recession
> is over?


I'll settle for a short list of companies that are not filing Chapter
11.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:36:50
From: drew
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:15 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
> player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there...
> you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
> enjoy sports at all...

Exactly. Maybe some don't like his style of play. I think he's an
amazing athlete and a great credit to the game. You don't see
humility in great athletes like Nadal very often. And you don't see
the kind of heart and dedication to sport that he has.

Maybe such attention to detail will help Nadal in dealing with
niggling injuries in the most appropriate way. He has the right team
behind him it seems.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:28:37
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 10:24=A0am, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:21=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 12:15=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 10:09=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> > > ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
> > > player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> > > couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there..=
.
> > > you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
> > > enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedule
> > > over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
> > > thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has to
> > > begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wise
> > > be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...
>
> > > P
>
> > Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half a
> > step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.
>
> at this time chances of Federer losing half a step are more than that
> for Rafa.

++ Though oddly enough, despite age difference, they might lose it
about the same time... wear and tear on Rafa and natural entropy for
Fed...

P



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:24:06
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 12:21=A0pm, "arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 12:15=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 10:09=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hope he lasts longer than most people think.
>
> > ++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
> > player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
> > couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there...
> > you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
> > enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedule
> > over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
> > thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has to
> > begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wise
> > be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...
>
> > P
>
> Rafa is working overdrive. It could be an ugly crash. He loses half a
> step and dozens of winners per match will pass him by.

at this time chances of Federer losing half a step are more than that
for Rafa.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:17:13
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 1:11=A0pm, tennis41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:40=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles
> > on a young body.
>
> > I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> > unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> > over 26.
>
> > Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> > many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> > after 25.
>
> > This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks
> > probable.
>
> > USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> > it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> > another 5 years unless he gets injured.
>
> Here's how the grand slam count will look like after Nadal is retired:
>
> Federer - 15 (6W, 6USO, 3 AO, 0FO)
>
> Sampras - 14 (7W, 5USO, 2 AO, 0FO)
>
> Nadal - 13 (2 W, 1 USO, 2 AO, 8FO) with a career grand-slam and a 20-8
> winning record over the almost-GOAT candidate.
>
> The GOAT debate will not be settled.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Can you also look into your crystal ball and tell me which stocks will
go through the roof once this recession
is over?


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:15:08
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 10:09=A0am, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I hope he lasts longer than most people think.

++ I do too... the guy is a GREAT sportsman, not just a great tennis
player... I don't get (aside from mindless partisanship) how anyone
couldn't like Nadal... the guy is total heart and courage out there...
you have to at least admire or applaud that, I would think... if you
enjoy sports at all... how Rafael and Toni Nadal map out his schedule
over the next 3 years will likely detemine the state of his knees,
thus his game, thus his career... he could be a young guy who has to
begin a more prudent approach at a younger age than would other wise
be the case/be the case for almost any other young gun in tennis...

P


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:11:02
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
On Feb 5, 11:40=A0am, drew <d...@technologist.com > wrote:
> I think this guy might be toast by the time he's 26. =A0A lot of miles
> on a young body.
>
> I'd like to see him run like a deer until he's 30 but it seems rather
> unlikely that he'll be a force except maybe on the red clay when he's
> over 26.
>
> Of course the way the game is played nowadays you wonder if there are
> many guys with enough foot speed to play at the top of their games
> after 25.
>
> This year could be the big one for Nadal. =A03/4 majors looks
> probable.
>
> USO might be a tough one for Nadal if Murray and Djokovic are up for
> it but it's hard to see anybody taking him out at Roland Garros for
> another 5 years unless he gets injured.

Here's how the grand slam count will look like after Nadal is retired:

Federer - 15 (6W, 6USO, 3 AO, 0FO)

Sampras - 14 (7W, 5USO, 2 AO, 0FO)

Nadal - 13 (2 W, 1 USO, 2 AO, 8FO) with a career grand-slam and a 20-8
winning record over the almost-GOAT candidate.

The GOAT debate will not be settled.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:09:39
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Nadal seems older than 22
I hope he lasts longer than most people think.