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Date: 16 Feb 2009 02:57:47
From: Stapler
Subject: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that off.
Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that in
4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
no problems.





 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 00:19:31
From: Hg
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:06:18 -0800, moonking6 wrote:

> On Feb 16, 6:11 am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31 +0000, Superdave wrote:
>
>> > You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
>> > yesterday.
>>
>> I may stop using the logo, but only after Rafa has won almost
>> everything and he's retired. Or I may keep it, to signify I was a fan
>> of the greatest in history when other people were doubting of the fact.
>
> Won "almost everything"? Why set your sights so low for the soon-to-be
> greatest in history?
>
> Rafa has won some big titles and will win more, but he will not win the
> CYGS this year or any other year.

Ha Ha, we have tournaments that happen at the same time in different
countries so it's not possible to be in two places at once - even Rafa's
speed won't let him do that.

IMO Rafa has the ability to win one CYGS and maybe -just maybe- two.


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Date: 16 Feb 2009 03:17:11
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 2:57=A0am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that of=
f.
> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that =
in
> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be =
a
> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murra=
y
> no problems.

Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
both players appeared to play at nearly full level).

Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.



  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 05:37:04
From: Silence, Fedfucker!
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 17, 11:56 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 17, 5:36 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Feb 16, 12:26 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > >> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> > >>> off.
> > >>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
> > >>> in
> > >>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
> > >>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
> > >>> no problems.
> > >>> Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> > >>> has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> > >>> both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
> > >> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree too.
>
> > >> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or exo,
> > >> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> > >> having Murray in Nadal's head.
> > >> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person that
> > >> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> > >>> Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> > >>> Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> > >>> forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
> > >> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
> > >> well...but
> > >> still.
> > >> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
> > >> Rafa.
>
> > > That's irrelevant. Nadal won the first five meetings with Murray.
> > > Murray is a different player since Wimbledon last year. Early results
> > > count for less as time goes by.
>
> > > Also Murray wasn't fully fit yesterday either and Nadal's injury only
> > > appeared at the start of the second set.
>
> > > Murray isn't fazed by playing Nadal (or Federer either). He believes
> > > he can win every time he plays him. His game is well suited to dealing
> > > with what Nadal throws at him.
>
> > > Nadal doesn't like playing Murray since he can't do what he does to
> > > everyone else - expose their backhand side and break it down with huge
> > > topspin. Murray can deal with that and it forces Nadal to either:
> > > 1. be more aggressive and go for bigger shots (not really his natural
> > > game)
> > > 2. settle in for a massive grinding match and try to simply outlast
> > > Murray - this is dangerous because Murray can also change tactics and
> > > hit winners when necessary.
>
> > > Of course that doesn't mean that Nadal will not win any of their
> > > matches ...
>
> > If Rafa is indeed the goat then like Sampras he will not have match-up
> > problems with any player. Laver, Sampras & now looks like Rafa are only
> > players with no match-up problems.
>
> > Please say Fed too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK, but we need to take it one step further. A real goat should not
> only have no match-up
> problems, but also have no surface issues.
>
> So then I guess in the Open Era we're left with Laver and time will
> tell with Rafa.

Yes, Sampras cannot be GOAT due to his failure at the French. All
impartial experts (i.e. non-fanfuckers) agree on this.


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 03:56:51
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 17, 5:36=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 12:26 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com.=
..
> >> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write tha=
t
> >>> off.
> >>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take t=
hat
> >>> in
> >>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to=
be a
> >>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/M=
urray
> >>> no problems.
> >>> Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> >>> has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> >>> both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
> >> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree=
too.
>
> >> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, o=
r exo,
> >> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> >> having Murray in Nadal's head.
> >> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person=
that
> >> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> >>> Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> >>> Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> >>> forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
> >> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it mat=
ches
> >> well...but
> >> still.
> >> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an inju=
red
> >> Rafa.
>
> > That's irrelevant. Nadal won the first five meetings with Murray.
> > Murray is a different player since Wimbledon last year. Early results
> > count for less as time goes by.
>
> > Also Murray wasn't fully fit yesterday either and Nadal's injury only
> > appeared at the start of the second set.
>
> > Murray isn't fazed by playing Nadal (or Federer either). He believes
> > he can win every time he plays him. His game is well suited to dealing
> > with what Nadal throws at him.
>
> > Nadal doesn't like playing Murray since he can't do what he does to
> > everyone else - expose their backhand side and break it down with huge
> > topspin. Murray can deal with that and it forces Nadal to either:
> > 1. be more aggressive and go for bigger shots (not really his natural
> > game)
> > 2. settle in for a massive grinding match and try to simply outlast
> > Murray - this is dangerous because Murray can also change tactics and
> > hit winners when necessary.
>
> > Of course that doesn't mean that Nadal will not win any of their
> > matches ...
>
> If Rafa is indeed the goat then like Sampras he will not have match-up
> problems with any player. =A0Laver, Sampras & now looks like Rafa are onl=
y
> players with no match-up problems.
>
> Please say Fed too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK, but we need to take it one step further. A real goat should not
only have no match-up
problems, but also have no surface issues.

So then I guess in the Open Era we're left with Laver and time will
tell with Rafa.


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 18:18:20
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 7:56=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 7:29=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 1:16=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > "Pedro Dias" <pedrod...@snip.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com=
...
> > > On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > > <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.c=
om...
> > > > On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write=
that
> > > > > off.
> > > > > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will ta=
ke that
> > > > > in
> > > > > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just need=
s to be
> > > > > a
> > > > > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
> > > > > Roger/Nole/Murray
> > > > > no problems.
> > > > >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murra=
y
> > > > >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> > > > >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> > > > I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disag=
ree
> > > > too.
>
> > > > Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured=
, or
> > > > exo,
> > > > while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far f=
rom
> > > > having Murray in Nadal's head.
> > > > And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of per=
son
> > > > that
> > > > it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> > > > >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> > > > >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt tops=
pin
> > > > >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness=
.
>
> > > > His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it =
matches
> > > > well...but
> > > > still.
> > > > Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an i=
njured
> > > > Rafa.
>
> > > > There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but =
nothing
> > > > more.
> > > >The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously i=
n
> > > >the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of troub=
le
> > > >with him.
> > > >As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossibl=
e
> > > >to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting agains=
t
> > > >him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
> > > >takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
> > > >reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the probl=
em
> > > >is getting worse, not better.
>
> > > That's a good post.
>
> > > Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.
>
> > I said he was "getting into Nadal's head" (in reponse to the OP who
> > claimed that Nadal was in Murray's head). If Nadal wins their next
> > couple of matches then it is not an issue (clay courts excepted since
> > Nadal would still be a strong favourite there).
>
> > Watching their last three matches shows that Nadal is struggling to
> > come up with consistent patterns of play which will beat Murray. It's
> > almost as if he runs out of ideas once it seems that the relentless
> > crosscourt topspin isn't really effective, and isn't sure what else
> > will work. Of course they have all been close matches ...
>
> The difference between Fed and Murray is that Murray can take
> advantage of a less than 100% Rafa - like he did at the US Open and as
> he did here. Fed of course has twice had Rafa come into the court
> extremely tired (Hamburg '08 and AO '09), in tournaments he had won
> multiple times and Rafa 0 times, and in both cases a less then fully
> fit Rafa was enough for Fed. I bet in both of those matches Murray
> probably would have beaten Nadal. Of course, if Nadal is fully fit and
> in-form, neither has much of a chance...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But what are the chances of him being fully fit throughout the entire
Slam season? That would
mean playing more Slam matches in a year than he's ever played before,
and we know he's tended to break down in the second half of the
season. He's already showing some signs of wear and tear on his knees
and it's only February. Plus, he's planning on playing Davis Cup this
year! Which seems to me particularly idiotic considering what he is
certainly *capable* of accomplishing not only this season but over the
next few seasons.


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 16:56:08
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 7:29=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 16, 1:16=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Pedro Dias" <pedrod...@snip.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com=
...
> > > On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write t=
hat
> > > > off.
> > > > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take=
that
> > > > in
> > > > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs =
to be
> > > > a
> > > > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
> > > > Roger/Nole/Murray
> > > > no problems.
> > > >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> > > >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> > > >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> > > I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagre=
e
> > > too.
>
> > > Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, =
or
> > > exo,
> > > while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far fro=
m
> > > having Murray in Nadal's head.
> > > And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of perso=
n
> > > that
> > > it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> > > >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> > > >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspi=
n
> > > >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
> > > His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it ma=
tches
> > > well...but
> > > still.
> > > Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an inj=
ured
> > > Rafa.
>
> > > There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but no=
thing
> > > more.
> > >The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
> > >the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
> > >with him.
> > >As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
> > >to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
> > >him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
> > >takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
> > >reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
> > >is getting worse, not better.
>
> > That's a good post.
>
> > Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.
>
> I said he was "getting into Nadal's head" (in reponse to the OP who
> claimed that Nadal was in Murray's head). If Nadal wins their next
> couple of matches then it is not an issue (clay courts excepted since
> Nadal would still be a strong favourite there).
>
> Watching their last three matches shows that Nadal is struggling to
> come up with consistent patterns of play which will beat Murray. It's
> almost as if he runs out of ideas once it seems that the relentless
> crosscourt topspin isn't really effective, and isn't sure what else
> will work. Of course they have all been close matches ...

The difference between Fed and Murray is that Murray can take
advantage of a less than 100% Rafa - like he did at the US Open and as
he did here. Fed of course has twice had Rafa come into the court
extremely tired (Hamburg '08 and AO '09), in tournaments he had won
multiple times and Rafa 0 times, and in both cases a less then fully
fit Rafa was enough for Fed. I bet in both of those matches Murray
probably would have beaten Nadal. Of course, if Nadal is fully fit and
in-form, neither has much of a chance...


   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:39:21
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
RahimAsif wrote:
> On Feb 16, 7:29 am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 1:16 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Pedro Dias" <pedrod...@snip.net> wrote in message
>>> news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>>>> off.
>>>>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>>>>> in
>>>>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
>>>>> a
>>>>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>>>>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>>>>> no problems.
>>>>> Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>>>> has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>>>> both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>>>> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>>>> too.
>>>> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or
>>>> exo,
>>>> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
>>>> having Murray in Nadal's head.
>>>> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person
>>>> that
>>>> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>>>>> Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>>>>> Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>>>>> forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>>>> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
>>>> well...but
>>>> still.
>>>> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
>>>> Rafa.
>>>> There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
>>>> more.
>>>> The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
>>>> the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
>>>> with him.
>>>> As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
>>>> to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
>>>> him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
>>>> takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
>>>> reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
>>>> is getting worse, not better.
>>> That's a good post.
>>> Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.
>> I said he was "getting into Nadal's head" (in reponse to the OP who
>> claimed that Nadal was in Murray's head). If Nadal wins their next
>> couple of matches then it is not an issue (clay courts excepted since
>> Nadal would still be a strong favourite there).
>>
>> Watching their last three matches shows that Nadal is struggling to
>> come up with consistent patterns of play which will beat Murray. It's
>> almost as if he runs out of ideas once it seems that the relentless
>> crosscourt topspin isn't really effective, and isn't sure what else
>> will work. Of course they have all been close matches ...
>
> The difference between Fed and Murray is that Murray can take
> advantage of a less than 100% Rafa - like he did at the US Open and as
> he did here. Fed of course has twice had Rafa come into the court
> extremely tired (Hamburg '08 and AO '09), in tournaments he had won
> multiple times and Rafa 0 times, and in both cases a less then fully
> fit Rafa was enough for Fed. I bet in both of those matches Murray
> probably would have beaten Nadal. Of course, if Nadal is fully fit and
> in-form, neither has much of a chance...


Agreed. Neither has the Sampras-like game to overpower Rafa.



  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:31:34
From: Silence, Fedfucker!
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Sakari Lund" <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote in message
>
> news:uioip45kqcolrdgi1gbe4pfur462gpbbui@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
> > <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> >><gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
> >>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> >>> off.
> >>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
> >>> in
> >>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
> >>> a
> >>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
> >>> Roger/Nole/Murray
> >>> no problems.
>
> >>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> >>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> >>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> >>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
> >>too.
>
> > You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
> > making fun of it?
>
> No, just stating facts. I could have mentioned you, but then, you'd probably
> see it differently and in a wrong way, and I had to support my statement
> somehow.

you support your statement by saying that Whisper will agree with
you......? kinda dumb no?


   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:55:29
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

"Silence, Fedfucker!" <thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk > wrote in message
news:317aa9e6-f5d0-460e-bf95-137d094d848a@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> "Sakari Lund" <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uioip45kqcolrdgi1gbe4pfur462gpbbui@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
>> > <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>> >><gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> >>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> >>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write
>> >>> that
>> >>> off.
>> >>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take
>> >>> that
>> >>> in
>> >>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to
>> >>> be
>> >>> a
>> >>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>> >>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>> >>> no problems.
>>
>> >>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>> >>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>> >>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>>
>> >>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>> >>too.
>>
>> > You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
>> > making fun of it?
>>
>> No, just stating facts. I could have mentioned you, but then, you'd
>> probably
>> see it differently and in a wrong way, and I had to support my statement
>> somehow.
>
> you support your statement by saying that Whisper will agree with
> you......? kinda dumb no?


Not at all. It's the next best thing to actually provding a valid link which
supports your statement.




    
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:19:38
From: john
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

"*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote in message
news:gnbr8n$3us$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
>
> "Silence, Fedfucker!" <thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:317aa9e6-f5d0-460e-bf95-137d094d848a@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>> "Sakari Lund" <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:uioip45kqcolrdgi1gbe4pfur462gpbbui@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
>>> > <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>
>>> >><gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>> >>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> off.
>>> >>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs
>>> >>> to be
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>>> >>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>>> >>> no problems.
>>>
>>> >>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>> >>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>> >>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>>>
>>> >>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>>> >>too.
>>>
>>> > You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
>>> > making fun of it?
>>>
>>> No, just stating facts. I could have mentioned you, but then, you'd
>>> probably
>>> see it differently and in a wrong way, and I had to support my statement
>>> somehow.
>>
>> you support your statement by saying that Whisper will agree with
>> you......? kinda dumb no?
>
>
> Not at all. It's the next best thing to actually provding a valid link
> which supports your statement.

Not at all Whisper is next best thing to an absolute idiot and of course he
is also
the best to support like kind...
>
>




  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:29:00
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 1:16=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Pedro Dias" <pedrod...@snip.net> wrote in message
>
> news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write tha=
t
> > > off.
> > > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take t=
hat
> > > in
> > > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to=
be
> > > a
> > > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
> > > Roger/Nole/Murray
> > > no problems.
> > >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> > >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> > >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> > I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
> > too.
>
> > Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or
> > exo,
> > while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> > having Murray in Nadal's head.
> > And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person
> > that
> > it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> > >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> > >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> > >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
> > His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matc=
hes
> > well...but
> > still.
> > Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injur=
ed
> > Rafa.
>
> > There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but noth=
ing
> > more.
> >The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
> >the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
> >with him.
> >As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
> >to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
> >him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
> >takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
> >reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
> >is getting worse, not better.
>
> That's a good post.
>
> Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.

I said he was "getting into Nadal's head" (in reponse to the OP who
claimed that Nadal was in Murray's head). If Nadal wins their next
couple of matches then it is not an issue (clay courts excepted since
Nadal would still be a strong favourite there).

Watching their last three matches shows that Nadal is struggling to
come up with consistent patterns of play which will beat Murray. It's
almost as if he runs out of ideas once it seems that the relentless
crosscourt topspin isn't really effective, and isn't sure what else
will work. Of course they have all been close matches ...





   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:37:28
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.
>
> I said he was "getting into Nadal's head" (in reponse to the OP who
> claimed that Nadal was in Murray's head). If Nadal wins their next
> couple of matches then it is not an issue (clay courts excepted since
> Nadal would still be a strong favourite there).
>
> Watching their last three matches shows that Nadal is struggling to
> come up with consistent patterns of play which will beat Murray. It's
> almost as if he runs out of ideas once it seems that the relentless
> crosscourt topspin isn't really effective, and isn't sure what else
> will work. Of course they have all been close matches ...
>
>
>


...& of course mostly tune-ups. Remember Sampras was prolific loser in
tune-ups to ensure slam freshness.



  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:21:13
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 12:26=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> > off.
> > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take tha=
t
> > in
> > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to b=
e a
> > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Mur=
ray
> > no problems.
> >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree to=
o.
>
> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or e=
xo,
> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> having Murray in Nadal's head.
> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person th=
at
> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matche=
s
> well...but
> still.
> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
> Rafa.

That's irrelevant. Nadal won the first five meetings with Murray.
Murray is a different player since Wimbledon last year. Early results
count for less as time goes by.

Also Murray wasn't fully fit yesterday either and Nadal's injury only
appeared at the start of the second set.

Murray isn't fazed by playing Nadal (or Federer either). He believes
he can win every time he plays him. His game is well suited to dealing
with what Nadal throws at him.

Nadal doesn't like playing Murray since he can't do what he does to
everyone else - expose their backhand side and break it down with huge
topspin. Murray can deal with that and it forces Nadal to either:
1. be more aggressive and go for bigger shots (not really his natural
game)
2. settle in for a massive grinding match and try to simply outlast
Murray - this is dangerous because Murray can also change tactics and
hit winners when necessary.

Of course that doesn't mean that Nadal will not win any of their
matches ...




   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:36:09
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:26 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>> off.
>>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>>> in
>>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
>>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
>>> no problems.
>>> Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>> has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>> both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree too.
>>
>> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or exo,
>> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
>> having Murray in Nadal's head.
>> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person that
>> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>>
>>> Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>>> Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>>> forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
>> well...but
>> still.
>> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
>> Rafa.
>
> That's irrelevant. Nadal won the first five meetings with Murray.
> Murray is a different player since Wimbledon last year. Early results
> count for less as time goes by.
>
> Also Murray wasn't fully fit yesterday either and Nadal's injury only
> appeared at the start of the second set.
>
> Murray isn't fazed by playing Nadal (or Federer either). He believes
> he can win every time he plays him. His game is well suited to dealing
> with what Nadal throws at him.
>
> Nadal doesn't like playing Murray since he can't do what he does to
> everyone else - expose their backhand side and break it down with huge
> topspin. Murray can deal with that and it forces Nadal to either:
> 1. be more aggressive and go for bigger shots (not really his natural
> game)
> 2. settle in for a massive grinding match and try to simply outlast
> Murray - this is dangerous because Murray can also change tactics and
> hit winners when necessary.
>
> Of course that doesn't mean that Nadal will not win any of their
> matches ...
>
>


If Rafa is indeed the goat then like Sampras he will not have match-up
problems with any player. Laver, Sampras & now looks like Rafa are only
players with no match-up problems.

Please say Fed too.



  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:09:56
From: Pedro Dias
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 7:26=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> > off.
> > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take tha=
t
> > in
> > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to b=
e a
> > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Mur=
ray
> > no problems.
> >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree to=
o.
>
> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or e=
xo,
> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> having Murray in Nadal's head.
> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person th=
at
> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matche=
s
> well...but
> still.
> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
> Rafa.
>
> There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothin=
g
> more.

The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
with him.

As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
is getting worse, not better.


   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:16:24
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

"Pedro Dias" <pedrodias@snip.net > wrote in message
news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>
> > I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> > off.
> > Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
> > in
> > 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
> > a
> > bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
> > Roger/Nole/Murray
> > no problems.
> >Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
> >has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
> >both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
> too.
>
> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or
> exo,
> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
> having Murray in Nadal's head.
> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person
> that
> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
> >Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
> >Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
> >forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
> well...but
> still.
> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
> Rafa.
>
> There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
> more.

>The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
>the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
>with him.

>As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
>to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
>him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
>takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
>reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
>is getting worse, not better.


That's a good post.

Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.




    
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:34:11
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
*skriptis wrote:
> "Pedro Dias" <pedrodias@snip.net> wrote in message
> news:36acfac4-a521-4484-966b-10e7f10c7ac7@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 7:26 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>> off.
>>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>>> in
>>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
>>> a
>>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>>> no problems.
>>> Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>> has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>> both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>> too.
>>
>> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or
>> exo,
>> while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
>> having Murray in Nadal's head.
>> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person
>> that
>> it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>>
>>> Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>>> Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>>> forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
>> well...but
>> still.
>> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
>> Rafa.
>>
>> There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
>> more.
>
>> The head-to-head is irrelevant: Murray has progressed tremendously in
>> the past year. And since he's improved, Nadal has had a lot of trouble
>> with him.
>
>> As to Nadal's progress, that's a better argument, but it's impossible
>> to know how far it'll take him on hardcourts. I'm not betting against
>> him again, but I can see why people would: keep in mind that the USO
>> takes place at the end of the hardcourt season, and Nadal has never
>> reached that point in the season injury-free. If anything, the problem
>> is getting worse, not better.
>
>
> That's a good post.
>
> Butt Murray being in Nadal's head can't be further from the truth.
>
>


Agreed. Haze has lost the plot because he realizes Rafa does not have a
match-up problem with anybody in current game - if he plays normal it's
lights out.



  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

<gregorawe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
> off.
> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
> in
> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
> no problems.

>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).

I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree too.

Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or exo,
while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
having Murray in Nadal's head.
And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person that
it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".




>Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.


His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
well...but
still.
Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
Rafa.


There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
more.




   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 23:59:39
From: john
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

"*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote in message
news:gnbm18$l1p$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
>
> <gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>> off.
>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>> in
>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
>> a
>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>> no problems.
>
>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
> I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
> too.
>

I disagree with this one, but who cares if Whisper agree or disagree on
anything.
Is Whisper your father that you have to agree with him on everything ?


> Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or
> exo, while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far
> from having Murray in Nadal's head.
> And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person
> that it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
>
>
>
>>Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>>Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>>forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
>
> His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
> well...but
> still.
> Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
> Rafa.
>
>
> There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
> more.
>




   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:58:37
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
><gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>> off.
>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>> in
>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
>> no problems.
>
>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree too.

You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
making fun of it?


    
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:06:53
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote in message
news:uioip45kqcolrdgi1gbe4pfur462gpbbui@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
> <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>>
>><gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>> off.
>>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>>> in
>>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
>>> a
>>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>>> no problems.
>>
>>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>>
>>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>>too.
>
> You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
> making fun of it?


No, just stating facts. I could have mentioned you, but then, you'd probably
see it differently and in a wrong way, and I had to support my statement
somehow.




     
Date: 16 Feb 2009 15:34:00
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:06:53 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
>"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote in message
>news:uioip45kqcolrdgi1gbe4pfur462gpbbui@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
>> <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>>> off.
>>>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>>>> in
>>>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be
>>>> a
>>>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against
>>>> Roger/Nole/Murray
>>>> no problems.
>>>
>>>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>>>
>>>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree
>>>too.
>>
>> You are trying to make fun of your relationship to stop other people
>> making fun of it?
>
>
>No, just stating facts. I could have mentioned you, but then, you'd probably
>see it differently and in a wrong way, and I had to support my statement
>somehow.

Damn, I was sure you were making fun.



   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 12:39:35
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
><gregorawe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cf372945-388c-42db-91f8-135f92c5b948@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 16, 2:57 am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>> off.
>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that
>> in
>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
>> no problems.
>
>>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
>I completely disagree in this one, and I believe Whisper will disagree too.
>
>Losing isn't fun, but few odd loses in tune-ups while being injured, or exo,
>while having overall 5-2 lead and 2-1 score in slams, is very far from
>having Murray in Nadal's head.
>And even if Murray had 6-0 h2h score Nadal is just that kind of person that
>it wouldn't bother him that much, he'd just "try play his best".
>
>
>
>
>>Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>>Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>>forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.
>
>
>His game macthes better than Federer's does, I might even agree it matches
>well...but
>still.
>Murray has a negative h2h vs Nadal with the last match beating an injured
>Rafa.
>
>
>There are some reasons for moderate optimsim in Murray's camp, but nothing
>more.
>
_ _


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:31:01
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:17:11 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Feb 16, 2:57am, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that off.
>> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that in
>> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
>> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
>> no problems.
>
>Nonsense - if anything Murray is getting into Nadal's head - Murray
>has won their last 3 meetings (including the Abu Dhabi match where
>both players appeared to play at nearly full level).
>
>Murray's game matches up very well against Nadal's (better than
>Federer's does) mainly because Nadal's big weapon (crosscourt topspin
>forehand) goes right into Murray's strength rather than a weakness.


very astute.

easier for Murray to beat Rafa than Fed.
easier for Fed to beat Murray than Rafa.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:11:46
From: Hg
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31 +0000, Superdave wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:04:56 GMT, Hg <hg@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24 -0800, moonking6 wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 15, 9:57 pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write
>>>> that off. Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and
>>>> will take that in 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US
>>>> Open - just needs to be a bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5
>>>> sets against Roger/Nole/Murray no problems.
>>>
>>> The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is
>>> extremely hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if
>>> Nadal were injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players
>>> in the zone on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa
>>> is gone, and so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling
>>> that the USO may be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.
>>
>>
>>I luuuuurrrrrve posts like this! :-)
>>
>>Ha Ha, all you guys who make conclusions about Rafa and the few titles
>>he hasn't won yet are making the classic mistake of assuming Rafa is
>>frozen in time from a year or two ago.
>>
>>True, if Rafa was standing still then, sure, the situation described
>>above may happen. You fail to take into account his progress from year
>>to year. In short, he knows what to do to win the USO. And time is on
>>his side - most players are still adjusting and adding to their games at
>>22 yo.
>
>
> You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
> yesterday.


I may stop using the logo, but only after Rafa has won almost everything and
he's retired. Or I may keep it, to signify I was a fan of the greatest in
history when other people were doubting of the fact.


--
,/ \,
((___,---"""""---,___))
`-----)~ ~(-----`
'( \ / )'


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 12:07:15
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:11:46 GMT, Hg <hg@hg2.hg > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31 +0000, Superdave wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:04:56 GMT, Hg <hg@hg2.hg> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24 -0800, moonking6 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 15, 9:57pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write
>>>>> that off. Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and
>>>>> will take that in 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US
>>>>> Open - just needs to be a bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5
>>>>> sets against Roger/Nole/Murray no problems.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is
>>>> extremely hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if
>>>> Nadal were injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players
>>>> in the zone on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa
>>>> is gone, and so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling
>>>> that the USO may be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.
>>>
>>>
>>>I luuuuurrrrrve posts like this! :-)
>>>
>>>Ha Ha, all you guys who make conclusions about Rafa and the few titles
>>>he hasn't won yet are making the classic mistake of assuming Rafa is
>>>frozen in time from a year or two ago.
>>>
>>>True, if Rafa was standing still then, sure, the situation described
>>>above may happen. You fail to take into account his progress from year
>>>to year. In short, he knows what to do to win the USO. And time is on
>>>his side - most players are still adjusting and adding to their games at
>>>22 yo.
>>
>>
>> You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
>> yesterday.
>
>
>I may stop using the logo, but only after Rafa has won almost everything and
>he's retired. Or I may keep it, to signify I was a fan of the greatest in
>history when other people were doubting of the fact.


Try this one .... meow.

_ ___ _.--.
\`.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:04:56
From: Hg
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24 -0800, moonking6 wrote:

> On Feb 15, 9:57 pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>> off. Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will
>> take that in 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open -
>> just needs to be a bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets
>> against Roger/Nole/Murray no problems.
>
> The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is extremely
> hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if Nadal were
> injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players in the zone
> on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa is gone, and
> so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling that the USO may
> be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.


I luuuuurrrrrve posts like this! :-)

Ha Ha, all you guys who make conclusions about Rafa and the few titles he
hasn't won yet are making the classic mistake of assuming Rafa is frozen
in time from a year or two ago.

True, if Rafa was standing still then, sure, the situation described above
may happen. You fail to take into account his progress from year to year.
In short, he knows what to do to win the USO. And time is on his side - most
players are still adjusting and adding to their games at 22 yo.



--
,/ \,
((___,---"""""---,___))
`-----)~ ~(-----`
'( \ / )'


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:04:56 GMT, Hg <hg@hg2.hg > wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24 -0800, moonking6 wrote:
>
>> On Feb 15, 9:57pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>> off. Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will
>>> take that in 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open -
>>> just needs to be a bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets
>>> against Roger/Nole/Murray no problems.
>>
>> The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is extremely
>> hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if Nadal were
>> injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players in the zone
>> on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa is gone, and
>> so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling that the USO may
>> be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.
>
>
>I luuuuurrrrrve posts like this! :-)
>
>Ha Ha, all you guys who make conclusions about Rafa and the few titles he
>hasn't won yet are making the classic mistake of assuming Rafa is frozen
>in time from a year or two ago.
>
>True, if Rafa was standing still then, sure, the situation described above
>may happen. You fail to take into account his progress from year to year.
>In short, he knows what to do to win the USO. And time is on his side - most
>players are still adjusting and adding to their games at 22 yo.


You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
yesterday.


   
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:26:49
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31 GMT, Superdave
<the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:04:56 GMT, Hg <hg@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24 -0800, moonking6 wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 15, 9:57pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com> wrote:
>>>> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that
>>>> off. Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will
>>>> take that in 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open -
>>>> just needs to be a bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets
>>>> against Roger/Nole/Murray no problems.
>>>
>>> The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is extremely
>>> hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if Nadal were
>>> injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players in the zone
>>> on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa is gone, and
>>> so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling that the USO may
>>> be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.
>>
>>
>>I luuuuurrrrrve posts like this! :-)
>>
>>Ha Ha, all you guys who make conclusions about Rafa and the few titles he
>>hasn't won yet are making the classic mistake of assuming Rafa is frozen
>>in time from a year or two ago.
>>
>>True, if Rafa was standing still then, sure, the situation described above
>>may happen. You fail to take into account his progress from year to year.
>>In short, he knows what to do to win the USO. And time is on his side - most
>>players are still adjusting and adding to their games at 22 yo.
>
>
>You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
>yesterday.
___
\\


 
Date: 15 Feb 2009 19:51:24
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 15, 9:57=A0pm, "Stapler" <d...@d.com > wrote:
> I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that of=
f.
> Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that =
in
> 4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be =
a
> bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murra=
y
> no problems.

The fact that it has occurred so rarely shows that the CYGS is
extremely hard to achieve, no matter how good the player is. Even if
Nadal were injury-free, if he runs into any number of talented players
in the zone on a given day (a Tsonga, Gulbis, Cilic, etc.), then Rafa
is gone, and so is his CYGS. Wimbledon, maybe, but I have a feeling
that the USO may be to Nadal what it was to Borg--quicksand.


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:23:00
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 7:02=A0pm, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 16, 7:19=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Rafa has won some big titles and will win more, but he will not win
> > > the CYGS this year or any other year.
>
> > Wanna bet?
>
> How confident are you? Would you wager your left testicle that he will
> do it?

Nah - not THAT confident :)


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:02:51
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 7:19=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Rafa has won some big titles and will win more, but he will not win
> > the CYGS this year or any other year.
>
> Wanna bet?

How confident are you? Would you wager your left testicle that he will
do it?


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 16:19:22
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> Rafa has won some big titles and will win more, but he will not win
> the CYGS this year or any other year.

Wanna bet?


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:06:18
From:
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Feb 16, 6:11=A0am, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:06:31 +0000, Superdave wrote:

> > You better change that bull logo to a pussy after what happened
> > yesterday.
>
> I may stop using the logo, but only after Rafa has won almost everything =
and
> he's retired. Or I may keep it, to signify I was a fan of the greatest in
> history when other people were doubting of the fact.

Won "almost everything"? Why set your sights so low for the soon-to-be
greatest in history?

Rafa has won some big titles and will win more, but he will not win
the CYGS this year or any other year.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 03:16:24
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Nadal will easily win the CYGS
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:57:47 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote:

>I mean think about it. French Open is like nothing, so just write that off.
>Wimbledon - he is in Andy and Roger's head completely and will take that in
>4-5 sets again whoever he plays in the final. US Open - just needs to be a
>bit more injury free and he takes it in 4-5 sets against Roger/Nole/Murray
>no problems.


unless of course, somebody poisons his magic fish and he then "takes
it" in the ass.